Guest guest Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 My name is Sue and I live on the coast of Beautiful British Columbia. I am 50 years old and have had lyme most likely since my teens. For the past 14 years I have been disabled and medically retired. I was of course misdiagnosed with Fibromyalgia and a host of other non related conditions. 3 years ago I met a woman in the grocery store who told me to look into Lyme as a possible answer. She even told me the name of one of the few doctors that will treat lyme with the (traditional?) long term high dose antibiotics. I tested positive for a Cat Scratch Fever and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and equivical for the lyme bacterium.I did 11 months of the a variety of antibiotics, 18 months of the salt/c protocol and have been taking MMS since early Dec 07. Currently I take anywhere from 6 - 10 drops depending on what my body wants. Mostly I just take my dose in the late evening and a dose of salt/c in the morning.Since starting the fight against the lyme critters I have made huge progress but still have so far to go. My body has a lot of long term damage with my spine and knees being the biggest problems. I am not sure if I am seeing progress with the MMS or not as to be honest I think it makes me herx every few days. Sometimes I decide to skip a dose and it seems that the next day I am sick again. Sick when I take it and sick when I don't! Hmmm.I have been using either lemon juice to activate or apple cider vinegar depending on my mood. I tried citric acid but did not like it as much. I find that I am incredibly gassy am forever burping since starting the MMS. For the past couple of years I have become a Lyme Disease activist trying to get the word out to the masses. I write letters, hand out awareness flyers and hang posters. Actually through luck I managed to find a lymie with great graphic skills so our handouts and posters look great. If you want a digital copy of these things just let me know!Sue~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Who thought a bite from such a tiny bug could make one so sick! Do you have our Lyme Disease awareness poster and handout? Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Actually I didn't really do any celebrating. Had a busy day as I work as a freelance English tutor and Saturday is my busy day. Came home about 10:00 PM and split a beer with my flatmate, That is the extent of my drinking for a year since I gave it up more than 15 years ago. I guess the biggest celebration was staying up until 06:00 AM on the computer. Am in a heap of groups and get 2-300 e-mails a day. Cheers, Doug [ ] Re: O.T. WHO ARE YOU? Hope you had a very happy birthday Doug. What celebration did you participate in today? It must be different living there. Have never traveled so always enjoy hearing. Dianne > > HAPPY 68 YEARS Doug > I enjoy having you on both my groups. > IN NC > > <gaiacita@...> wrote: > Happy B-day Doug!!! > > Samala, > > > -------Original Message------- > Only this one is semi-retired in Hong Kong. (almost 20 years.) and am 68 > today. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Hi, I'm Tesa. I am in , Australia. I have been ill all my life with one thing or another but always managed to cope and move on until I was diagnosed 17 years ago with FMS 3 years after early menopause. I have deteriorated further over time and have been using an electric scooter for around 5 years. I started MMS Mid December 2007 for my myriad dx and symptoms which I've treated with various protocols and supplements with no success for a multitude of years, e.g., FMS;diabetes type ll; large bi-lateral, multi, fluid filled ovarian cysts (doctors present different views as to whether I would survive surgery so I opted out); lymphoedema in legs; sleep apnea; hypothyroidism; obesity; chronic insomnia; tinnitus; urinary frequency, urgency, hampered by retention; night cramps & sometimes ribs; brain fog; etc. (history: Nausea & vomiting often as a child, migraine headaches till after birth of both children, bells palsy on side of face when 12 - lasted 7 weeks, hepatitis - apparently A as I'm told by docs in the past that I have no ongoing problems specific to B or C history), otosclerosis - surgery to both ears in early 20s, gall stones and bladder removed at 20, lock jaw & kidney fits when pregnant with son, laid up for 3 days around age 22 with dreadful rheumatic pain throughout whole body accompanied by fever, adhesions cut away from large intestine, cyst & appendix removed at 24, prolapsed uterus & bladder: correction of both twice at 30 & 32, endometriosis, cysts removed from ovaries, partial hysterectomy at 34 - ovaries treated with estrogen at the time, 5 dilations of bladder.). These are just a few of the dx that represent a multitude of symptoms. I lean towards everything being connected and probably that they are all the result of a bottom line cause. Over the years I've experimented with mega-doses of vitamins & minerals, nutrition, oxygenated water, guaifenesin, cholestyramine, flagyl, Marshall protocol (MP), plus several others that I can no longer remember, and now MMS. I am on a low carb diet for diabetes. I've gone up and down on dosing with MMS in an effort to find a dose that won't induce overwhelming herx reactions but no success with that yet. I've gone as low as 1/2 a drop and as high as 8 drops bid. I've not yet had any improvement of my condition and I started it mid December 2007. I'm experiencing the same thing I have on every other protocol I've followed, i.e., continuous exacerbation (herx) of 'most' of my symptoms (some are so debilitating and painful that it's difficult to get to higher doses and the symptoms that did ease off in the past on guai & MP had little impact overall). Currently the pressure in the cervical spine, up through the occipItal area and around to the jaw is as bad as it was prior to stopping the MP. It's worse when laying down usually but today it is pretty bad too, albeit not as bad as laying down. The pressure in my head is also very bad the past week or so. I've worked up to taking 3 drops morning and another 3 drops within an hour. I want to start a night dose too but last night I had a horrible gut ache accompanied by nausea which continues today so I'm not taking any MMS till that passes. I took a dose of cholestyramine to see if that would help and it is about 30% lessened. I'm going to take at least one more dose later and maybe two. By the way, I've found that the herx can build in me over days. One of my symptoms (pressure/pain in cervical spine/occipital/jaw/face) is currently very bad but it was present even at 1/2 a drop anyway so I'm doing my best to work through it. Another symptom that makes life very difficult (buttock pain) is coming and going now after being full on for a good while, so I'm hoping that is on the decline. I tried to go back on ALA after it started to aid in elimination of endotoxins but it ramped the pain right back up again. The same happened with chlorella, NAC & cholestyramine. Hope it doesn't do that with today's dose! I am continuing with potassium, silymarin, chromium GTF, Glycine, Vit C, magnesium and will be including zinc as soon as I can get some. I also take T4, amitriptyline & melatonin. Thanks to your comments regarding transdermal magnesium Daddybob, I've bought some and am applying generous amounts daily. I'm also drinking as much water as I can 'stomach' (between 2 to 3), which is nowhere near the amount some recommend I know but it's just not possible for me to take more I've had some incredible herxing, e.g., nausea, vomiting, pain in stomach, diarrhoea, body wide viral type symptoms (my whole body was in horrendous pain), pain in ribs/behind lungs, headaches, pain in teeth/throat/gums, etc.). Most of those were on the higher doses but I lowered my dose when the cervical spine/occipital pressure and buttock pain started. Maybe I should have pushed on at the time but these 2 symptoms are so painful that I cannot sit or lay down and since my standing ability is already compromised, I haven't found a way to deal with it. Sleep disturbance was ramped up further too and it was already bad enough. I'm a bit confused by the different things I've read related to dose and responses. I think Jim Humble says if you are not experiencing improvement in a few weeks then you are not taking enough MMS. I think he also refers still learning how different diseases react in different people to different doses. At least that's what I've deduced from my reading. I'm of the understanding that he mostly treated malaria, aids & cancer and is thus still learning how those of us with chronic, long term illnesses will react. I was hoping for something amazing so it's disappointing to find myself going through the same old, same old. After 2 years of being crippled by the MP, I did feel better when I stopped it. From that I deduce it was working but I don't know how long I would have needed to be on it before experiencing any improvement while still on it full time. Since I went 7 years on guaifenesin with continuous herxing, I am wary of staying on any protocol too long again. I started to deteriorate again over the last 9 months since I stopped the MP and thus the reason I started MMS. I thought it would be quicker than what I'd experienced previously but also I prefer it to antibiotics and other drugs. I do still think that Trevor Marshall is correct in his deductions regarding Vit D though. http://www.marshallprotocol.com/view_topic.php?id=364 & forum_id=2 & jump_to=137543#\ p137543 Thanks for listening.......Tesa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Tesa,I find that using a clathrating agent like Natural Cellular Defense (NCD) from www. waiora.com helps mop up and safely eliminate heavy metals and viruses that get stirred up when you kill parasites with a product like MMS.  The load of toxins that are carried by very ill persons are just too voluminous to eliminate with your already dysfunctional immune system.  Read about it and see what you think.  My son had a laundry list of medical ailments that are no longer issues by killing lyme slowly while simultaneously correcting his immune system with classical homeopathy (very important) and also helping the process with NCD which I already mentioned.  He no longer takes meds of any type, kidneys are functioning better, allergies virtually gone, seizures are gone, acid reflux gone.... We eat a very pure diet, purified water, purified air, pure supplements, and purified thoughts... Nothing is impossible.  It took 4 years of this but healing happened.Good luck,LydiaOn Feb 26, 2008, at 11:20 PM, tesa4trill wrote:Hi, I'm Tesa. I am in , Australia. I have been ill all mylife with one thing or another but always managed to cope and move onuntil I was diagnosed 17 years ago with FMS 3 years after earlymenopause. I have deteriorated further over time and have been usingan electric scooter for around 5 years. I started MMS Mid December 2007 for my myriad dx and symptoms whichI've treated with various protocols and supplements with no successfor a multitude of years, e.g., FMS;diabetes type ll; largebi-lateral, multi, fluid filled ovarian cysts (doctors presentdifferent views as to whether I would survive surgery so I opted out);lymphoedema in legs; sleep apnea; hypothyroidism; obesity; chronicinsomnia; tinnitus; urinary frequency, urgency, hampered by retention;night cramps & sometimes ribs; brain fog; etc. (history: Nausea & vomiting often as a child, migraine headaches till after birth of bothchildren, bells palsy on side of face when 12 - lasted 7 weeks,hepatitis - apparently A as I'm told by docs in the past that I haveno ongoing problems specific to B or C history), otosclerosis -surgery to both ears in early 20s, gall stones and bladder removed at20, lock jaw & kidney fits when pregnant with son, laid up for 3 daysaround age 22 with dreadful rheumatic pain throughout whole bodyaccompanied by fever, adhesions cut away from large intestine, cyst & appendix removed at 24, prolapsed uterus & bladder: correction of bothtwice at 30 & 32, endometriosis, cysts removed from ovaries, partialhysterectomy at 34 - ovaries treated with estrogen at the time, 5dilations of bladder.). These are just a few of the dx that representa multitude of symptoms. I lean towards everything being connectedand probably that they are all the result of a bottom line cause.Over the years I've experimented with mega-doses of vitamins & minerals, nutrition, oxygenated water, guaifenesin, cholestyramine,flagyl, Marshall protocol (MP), plus several others that I can nolonger remember, and now MMS. I am on a low carb diet for diabetes.I've gone up and down on dosing with MMS in an effort to find a dosethat won't induce overwhelming herx reactions but no success with thatyet. I've gone as low as 1/2 a drop and as high as 8 drops bid. I've not yet had any improvement of my condition and I started it midDecember 2007. I'm experiencing the same thing I have on every otherprotocol I've followed, i.e., continuous exacerbation (herx) of 'most'of my symptoms (some are so debilitating and painful that it'sdifficult to get to higher doses and the symptoms that did ease off inthe past on guai & MP had little impact overall). Currently thepressure in the cervical spine, up through the occipItal area andaround to the jaw is as bad as it was prior to stopping the MP. It'sworse when laying down usually but today it is pretty bad too, albeitnot as bad as laying down. The pressure in my head is also very badthe past week or so.I've worked up to taking 3 drops morning and another 3 drops within anhour. I want to start a night dose too but last night I had ahorrible gut ache accompanied by nausea which continues today so I'mnot taking any MMS till that passes. I took a dose of cholestyramineto see if that would help and it is about 30% lessened. I'm going totake at least one more dose later and maybe two. By the way, I'vefound that the herx can build in me over days.One of my symptoms (pressure/pain in cervicalspine/occipital/jaw/face) is currently very bad but it was presenteven at 1/2 a drop anyway so I'm doing my best to work through it. Another symptom that makes life very difficult (buttock pain) iscoming and going now after being full on for a good while, so I'mhoping that is on the decline. I tried to go back on ALA after itstarted to aid in elimination of endotoxins but it ramped the painright back up again. The same happened with chlorella, NAC & cholestyramine. Hope it doesn't do that with today's dose! I amcontinuing with potassium, silymarin, chromium GTF, Glycine, Vit C,magnesium and will be including zinc as soon as I can get some. Ialso take T4, amitriptyline & melatonin. Thanks to your commentsregarding transdermal magnesium Daddybob, I've bought some and amapplying generous amounts daily. I'm also drinking as much water as Ican 'stomach' (between 2 to 3), which is nowhere near the amount somerecommend I know but it's just not possible for me to take more I've had some incredible herxing, e.g., nausea, vomiting, pain instomach, diarrhoea, body wide viral type symptoms (my whole body wasin horrendous pain), pain in ribs/behind lungs, headaches, pain inteeth/throat/gums, etc.). Most of those were on the higher doses butI lowered my dose when the cervical spine/occipital pressure andbuttock pain started. Maybe I should have pushed on at the time butthese 2 symptoms are so painful that I cannot sit or lay down andsince my standing ability is already compromised, I haven't found away to deal with it. Sleep disturbance was ramped up further too andit was already bad enough. I'm a bit confused by the different things I've read related to doseand responses. I think Jim Humble says if you are not experiencingimprovement in a few weeks then you are not taking enough MMS. Ithink he also refers still learning how different diseases react indifferent people to different doses. At least that's what I'vededuced from my reading. I'm of the understanding that he mostlytreated malaria, aids & cancer and is thus still learning how those ofus with chronic, long term illnesses will react. I was hoping forsomething amazing so it's disappointing to find myself going throughthe same old, same old.After 2 years of being crippled by the MP, I did feel better when Istopped it. From that I deduce it was working but I don't know howlong I would have needed to be on it before experiencing anyimprovement while still on it full time. Since I went 7 years onguaifenesin with continuous herxing, I am wary of staying on anyprotocol too long again. I started to deteriorate again over the last9 months since I stopped the MP and thus the reason I started MMS. Ithought it would be quicker than what I'd experienced previously butalso I prefer it to antibiotics and other drugs. I do still thinkthat Trevor Marshall is correct in his deductions regarding Vit D though.http://www.marshallprotocol.com/view_topic.php?id=364 & forum_id=2 & jump_to=137543#p137543Thanks for listening.......Tesa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Hi Tesa, Sorry to hear of all your ailments. Did you think it was lyme disease? Can you remember being bitten by a tic? I am fairly new to all this so forgive me if I'm repeating stuff you know all ready. So there are toxins in your body, have you ever tried a method that uses warm castor oil soaked packs wrapped around your body for a night that brings out the toxins, or a mud spa wrap? I have never tried anything like this but I did read that it's important to try to somehow detoxify first, I havn't found this group very helpful yet but you never know, Jo x --- In , " tesa4trill " <leithaldame@...> wrote: > > Hi, I'm Tesa. I am in , Australia. I have been ill all my > life with one thing or another but always managed to cope and move on > until I was diagnosed 17 years ago with FMS 3 years after early > menopause. I have deteriorated further over time and have been using > an electric scooter for around 5 years. > > I started MMS Mid December 2007 for my myriad dx and symptoms which > I've treated with various protocols and supplements with no success > for a multitude of years, e.g., FMS;diabetes type ll; large > bi-lateral, multi, fluid filled ovarian cysts (doctors present > different views as to whether I would survive surgery so I opted out); > lymphoedema in legs; sleep apnea; hypothyroidism; obesity; chronic > insomnia; tinnitus; urinary frequency, urgency, hampered by retention; > night cramps & sometimes ribs; brain fog; etc. (history: Nausea & > vomiting often as a child, migraine headaches till after birth of both > children, bells palsy on side of face when 12 - lasted 7 weeks, > hepatitis - apparently A as I'm told by docs in the past that I have > no ongoing problems specific to B or C history), otosclerosis - > surgery to both ears in early 20s, gall stones and bladder removed at > 20, lock jaw & kidney fits when pregnant with son, laid up for 3 days > around age 22 with dreadful rheumatic pain throughout whole body > accompanied by fever, adhesions cut away from large intestine, cyst & > appendix removed at 24, prolapsed uterus & bladder: correction of both > twice at 30 & 32, endometriosis, cysts removed from ovaries, partial > hysterectomy at 34 - ovaries treated with estrogen at the time, 5 > dilations of bladder.). These are just a few of the dx that represent > a multitude of symptoms. I lean towards everything being connected > and probably that they are all the result of a bottom line cause. > > Over the years I've experimented with mega-doses of vitamins & > minerals, nutrition, oxygenated water, guaifenesin, cholestyramine, > flagyl, Marshall protocol (MP), plus several others that I can no > longer remember, and now MMS. I am on a low carb diet for diabetes. > > I've gone up and down on dosing with MMS in an effort to find a dose > that won't induce overwhelming herx reactions but no success with that > yet. I've gone as low as 1/2 a drop and as high as 8 drops bid. > I've not yet had any improvement of my condition and I started it mid > December 2007. I'm experiencing the same thing I have on every other > protocol I've followed, i.e., continuous exacerbation (herx) of 'most' > of my symptoms (some are so debilitating and painful that it's > difficult to get to higher doses and the symptoms that did ease off in > the past on guai & MP had little impact overall). Currently the > pressure in the cervical spine, up through the occipItal area and > around to the jaw is as bad as it was prior to stopping the MP. It's > worse when laying down usually but today it is pretty bad too, albeit > not as bad as laying down. The pressure in my head is also very bad > the past week or so. > > I've worked up to taking 3 drops morning and another 3 drops within an > hour. I want to start a night dose too but last night I had a > horrible gut ache accompanied by nausea which continues today so I'm > not taking any MMS till that passes. I took a dose of cholestyramine > to see if that would help and it is about 30% lessened. I'm going to > take at least one more dose later and maybe two. By the way, I've > found that the herx can build in me over days. > > One of my symptoms (pressure/pain in cervical > spine/occipital/jaw/face) is currently very bad but it was present > even at 1/2 a drop anyway so I'm doing my best to work through it. > Another symptom that makes life very difficult (buttock pain) is > coming and going now after being full on for a good while, so I'm > hoping that is on the decline. I tried to go back on ALA after it > started to aid in elimination of endotoxins but it ramped the pain > right back up again. The same happened with chlorella, NAC & > cholestyramine. Hope it doesn't do that with today's dose! I am > continuing with potassium, silymarin, chromium GTF, Glycine, Vit C, > magnesium and will be including zinc as soon as I can get some. I > also take T4, amitriptyline & melatonin. Thanks to your comments > regarding transdermal magnesium Daddybob, I've bought some and am > applying generous amounts daily. I'm also drinking as much water as I > can 'stomach' (between 2 to 3), which is nowhere near the amount some > recommend I know but it's just not possible for me to take more > > I've had some incredible herxing, e.g., nausea, vomiting, pain in > stomach, diarrhoea, body wide viral type symptoms (my whole body was > in horrendous pain), pain in ribs/behind lungs, headaches, pain in > teeth/throat/gums, etc.). Most of those were on the higher doses but > I lowered my dose when the cervical spine/occipital pressure and > buttock pain started. Maybe I should have pushed on at the time but > these 2 symptoms are so painful that I cannot sit or lay down and > since my standing ability is already compromised, I haven't found a > way to deal with it. Sleep disturbance was ramped up further too and > it was already bad enough. > > I'm a bit confused by the different things I've read related to dose > and responses. I think Jim Humble says if you are not experiencing > improvement in a few weeks then you are not taking enough MMS. I > think he also refers still learning how different diseases react in > different people to different doses. At least that's what I've > deduced from my reading. I'm of the understanding that he mostly > treated malaria, aids & cancer and is thus still learning how those of > us with chronic, long term illnesses will react. I was hoping for > something amazing so it's disappointing to find myself going through > the same old, same old. > > After 2 years of being crippled by the MP, I did feel better when I > stopped it. From that I deduce it was working but I don't know how > long I would have needed to be on it before experiencing any > improvement while still on it full time. Since I went 7 years on > guaifenesin with continuous herxing, I am wary of staying on any > protocol too long again. I started to deteriorate again over the last > 9 months since I stopped the MP and thus the reason I started MMS. I > thought it would be quicker than what I'd experienced previously but > also I prefer it to antibiotics and other drugs. I do still think > that Trevor Marshall is correct in his deductions regarding Vit D though. > http://www.marshallprotocol.com/view_topic.php? id=364 & forum_id=2 & jump_to=137543#p137543 > > Thanks for listening.......Tesa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 The Holy Tea is a great detoxifier and it's easy to drink tea which tastes good. This tea cleanses and detoxes, not just the colon but every organ and tissue in the body such as the liver, the heart, even the lungs and the brain, and right to the tiniest of cells. If you wish to learn more, go to this website: www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee There is a distribution center for this tea in Australia. You can order as little as a week's supply to try it but don't expect much in the way of results in one week with a health problem that may have been in the making for years. Helen lostwithiel8 <lostwithiel8@...> wrote: Hi Tesa,Sorry to hear of all your ailments. Did you think it was lyme disease? Can you remember being bitten by a tic? I am fairly new to all this so forgive me if I'm repeating stuff you know all ready. So there are toxins in your body, have you ever tried a method that uses warm castor oil soaked packs wrapped around your body for a night that brings out the toxins, or a mud spa wrap? I have never tried anything like this but I did read that it's important to try to somehow detoxify first,I havn't found this group very helpful yet but you never know,Jox>> Hi, I'm Tesa. I am in , Australia. I have been ill all my> life with one thing or another but always managed to cope and move on> until I was diagnosed 17 years ago with FMS 3 years after early> menopause. I have deteriorated further over time and have been using> an electric scooter for around 5 years. > > I started MMS Mid December 2007 for my myriad dx and symptoms which> I've treated with various protocols and supplements with no success> for a multitude of years, e.g., FMS;diabetes type ll; large> bi-lateral, multi, fluid filled ovarian cysts (doctors present> different views as to whether I would survive surgery so I opted out);> lymphoedema in legs; sleep apnea; hypothyroidism; obesity; chronic> insomnia; tinnitus; urinary frequency, urgency, hampered by retention;> night cramps & sometimes ribs; brain fog; etc. (history: Nausea & > vomiting often as a child, migraine headaches till after birth of both> children, bells palsy on side of face when 12 - lasted 7 weeks,> hepatitis - apparently A as I'm told by docs in the past that I have> no ongoing problems specific to B or C history), otosclerosis -> surgery to both ears in early 20s, gall stones and bladder removed at> 20, lock jaw & kidney fits when pregnant with son, laid up for 3 days> around age 22 with dreadful rheumatic pain throughout whole body> accompanied by fever, adhesions cut away from large intestine, cyst & > appendix removed at 24, prolapsed uterus & bladder: correction of both> twice at 30 & 32, endometriosis, cysts removed from ovaries, partial> hysterectomy at 34 - ovaries treated with estrogen at the time, 5> dilations of bladder.). These are just a few of the dx that represent> a multitude of symptoms. I lean towards everything being connected> and probably that they are all the result of a bottom line cause.> > Over the years I've experimented with mega-doses of vitamins & > minerals, nutrition, oxygenated water, guaifenesin, cholestyramine,> flagyl, Marshall protocol (MP), plus several others that I can no> longer remember, and now MMS. I am on a low carb diet for diabetes.> > I've gone up and down on dosing with MMS in an effort to find a dose> that won't induce overwhelming herx reactions but no success with that> yet. I've gone as low as 1/2 a drop and as high as 8 drops bid. > I've not yet had any improvement of my condition and I started it mid> December 2007. I'm experiencing the same thing I have on every other> protocol I've followed, i.e., continuous exacerbation (herx) of 'most'> of my symptoms (some are so debilitating and painful that it's> difficult to get to higher doses and the symptoms that did ease off in> the past on guai & MP had little impact overall). Currently the> pressure in the cervical spine, up through the occipItal area and> around to the jaw is as bad as it was prior to stopping the MP. It's> worse when laying down usually but today it is pretty bad too, albeit> not as bad as laying down. The pressure in my head is also very bad> the past week or so.> > I've worked up to taking 3 drops morning and another 3 drops within an> hour. I want to start a night dose too but last night I had a> horrible gut ache accompanied by nausea which continues today so I'm> not taking any MMS till that passes. I took a dose of cholestyramine> to see if that would help and it is about 30% lessened. I'm going to> take at least one more dose later and maybe two. By the way, I've> found that the herx can build in me over days.> > One of my symptoms (pressure/pain in cervical> spine/occipital/jaw/face) is currently very bad but it was present> even at 1/2 a drop anyway so I'm doing my best to work through it. > Another symptom that makes life very difficult (buttock pain) is> coming and going now after being full on for a good while, so I'm> hoping that is on the decline. I tried to go back on ALA after it> started to aid in elimination of endotoxins but it ramped the pain> right back up again. The same happened with chlorella, NAC & > cholestyramine. Hope it doesn't do that with today's dose! I am> continuing with potassium, silymarin, chromium GTF, Glycine, Vit C,> magnesium and will be including zinc as soon as I can get some. I> also take T4, amitriptyline & melatonin. Thanks to your comments> regarding transdermal magnesium Daddybob, I've bought some and am> applying generous amounts daily. I'm also drinking as much water as I> can 'stomach' (between 2 to 3), which is nowhere near the amount some> recommend I know but it's just not possible for me to take more > > I've had some incredible herxing, e.g., nausea, vomiting, pain in> stomach, diarrhoea, body wide viral type symptoms (my whole body was> in horrendous pain), pain in ribs/behind lungs, headaches, pain in> teeth/throat/gums, etc.). Most of those were on the higher doses but> I lowered my dose when the cervical spine/occipital pressure and> buttock pain started. Maybe I should have pushed on at the time but> these 2 symptoms are so painful that I cannot sit or lay down and> since my standing ability is already compromised, I haven't found a> way to deal with it. Sleep disturbance was ramped up further too and> it was already bad enough. > > I'm a bit confused by the different things I've read related to dose> and responses. I think Jim Humble says if you are not experiencing> improvement in a few weeks then you are not taking enough MMS. I> think he also refers still learning how different diseases react in> different people to different doses. At least that's what I've> deduced from my reading. I'm of the understanding that he mostly> treated malaria, aids & cancer and is thus still learning how those of> us with chronic, long term illnesses will react. I was hoping for> something amazing so it's disappointing to find myself going through> the same old, same old.> > After 2 years of being crippled by the MP, I did feel better when I> stopped it. From that I deduce it was working but I don't know how> long I would have needed to be on it before experiencing any> improvement while still on it full time. Since I went 7 years on> guaifenesin with continuous herxing, I am wary of staying on any> protocol too long again. I started to deteriorate again over the last> 9 months since I stopped the MP and thus the reason I started MMS. I> thought it would be quicker than what I'd experienced previously but> also I prefer it to antibiotics and other drugs. I do still think> that Trevor Marshall is correct in his deductions regarding Vit D though.> http://www.marshallprotocol.com/view_topic.php?id=364 & forum_id=2 & jump_to=137543#p137543> > Thanks for listening.......Tesa> Acid Reflux? Constipation? Belly Fat? Edema? More Energy..Look younger..ImproveLungs/Brain Make $$$$s! www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee Helen, Ind Rep for HTC 604-420-1544 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 > > Hi, I'm Tesa. I am in , Australia. I have been ill all my > life with one thing or another but always managed to cope and move on > until I was diagnosed 17 years ago with FMS 3 years after early > menopause. I have deteriorated further over time and have been using > an electric scooter for around 5 years. > > I started MMS Mid December 2007 for my myriad dx and symptoms which > I've treated with various protocols and supplements with no success > for a multitude of years, e.g., FMS;diabetes type ll; large > bi-lateral, multi, fluid filled ovarian cysts (doctors present > different views as to whether I would survive surgery so I opted out); > lymphoedema in legs; sleep apnea; hypothyroidism; obesity; chronic > insomnia; tinnitus; urinary frequency, urgency, hampered by retention; > night cramps & sometimes ribs; brain fog; etc. (history: Nausea & > vomiting often as a child, migraine headaches till after birth of both > children, bells palsy on side of face when 12 - lasted 7 weeks, > hepatitis - apparently A as I'm told by docs in the past that I have > no ongoing problems specific to B or C history), otosclerosis - > surgery to both ears in early 20s, gall stones and bladder removed at > 20, lock jaw & kidney fits when pregnant with son, laid up for 3 days > around age 22 with dreadful rheumatic pain throughout whole body > accompanied by fever, adhesions cut away from large intestine, cyst & > appendix removed at 24, prolapsed uterus & bladder: correction of both > twice at 30 & 32, endometriosis, cysts removed from ovaries, partial > hysterectomy at 34 - ovaries treated with estrogen at the time, 5 > dilations of bladder.). These are just a few of the dx that represent > a multitude of symptoms. I lean towards everything being connected > and probably that they are all the result of a bottom line cause. > > Over the years I've experimented with mega-doses of vitamins & > minerals, nutrition, oxygenated water, guaifenesin, cholestyramine, > flagyl, Marshall protocol (MP), plus several others that I can no > longer remember, and now MMS. I am on a low carb diet for diabetes. > > I've gone up and down on dosing with MMS in an effort to find a dose > that won't induce overwhelming herx reactions but no success with that > yet. I've gone as low as 1/2 a drop and as high as 8 drops bid. > I've not yet had any improvement of my condition and I started it mid > December 2007. I'm experiencing the same thing I have on every other > protocol I've followed, i.e., continuous exacerbation (herx) of 'most' > of my symptoms (some are so debilitating and painful that it's > difficult to get to higher doses and the symptoms that did ease off in > the past on guai & MP had little impact overall). Currently the > pressure in the cervical spine, up through the occipItal area and > around to the jaw is as bad as it was prior to stopping the MP. It's > worse when laying down usually but today it is pretty bad too, albeit > not as bad as laying down. The pressure in my head is also very bad > the past week or so. > > I've worked up to taking 3 drops morning and another 3 drops within an > hour. I want to start a night dose too but last night I had a > horrible gut ache accompanied by nausea which continues today so I'm > not taking any MMS till that passes. I took a dose of cholestyramine > to see if that would help and it is about 30% lessened. I'm going to > take at least one more dose later and maybe two. By the way, I've > found that the herx can build in me over days. > > One of my symptoms (pressure/pain in cervical > spine/occipital/jaw/face) is currently very bad but it was present > even at 1/2 a drop anyway so I'm doing my best to work through it. > Another symptom that makes life very difficult (buttock pain) is > coming and going now after being full on for a good while, so I'm > hoping that is on the decline. I tried to go back on ALA after it > started to aid in elimination of endotoxins but it ramped the pain > right back up again. The same happened with chlorella, NAC & > cholestyramine. Hope it doesn't do that with today's dose! I am > continuing with potassium, silymarin, chromium GTF, Glycine, Vit C, > magnesium and will be including zinc as soon as I can get some. I > also take T4, amitriptyline & melatonin. Thanks to your comments > regarding transdermal magnesium Daddybob, I've bought some and am > applying generous amounts daily. I'm also drinking as much water as I > can 'stomach' (between 2 to 3), which is nowhere near the amount some > recommend I know but it's just not possible for me to take more > > I've had some incredible herxing, e.g., nausea, vomiting, pain in > stomach, diarrhoea, body wide viral type symptoms (my whole body was > in horrendous pain), pain in ribs/behind lungs, headaches, pain in > teeth/throat/gums, etc.). Most of those were on the higher doses but > I lowered my dose when the cervical spine/occipital pressure and > buttock pain started. Maybe I should have pushed on at the time but > these 2 symptoms are so painful that I cannot sit or lay down and > since my standing ability is already compromised, I haven't found a > way to deal with it. Sleep disturbance was ramped up further too and > it was already bad enough. > > I'm a bit confused by the different things I've read related to dose > and responses. I think Jim Humble says if you are not experiencing > improvement in a few weeks then you are not taking enough MMS. I > think he also refers still learning how different diseases react in > different people to different doses. At least that's what I've > deduced from my reading. I'm of the understanding that he mostly > treated malaria, aids & cancer and is thus still learning how those of > us with chronic, long term illnesses will react. I was hoping for > something amazing so it's disappointing to find myself going through > the same old, same old. > > After 2 years of being crippled by the MP, I did feel better when I > stopped it. From that I deduce it was working but I don't know how > long I would have needed to be on it before experiencing any > improvement while still on it full time. Since I went 7 years on > guaifenesin with continuous herxing, I am wary of staying on any > protocol too long again. I started to deteriorate again over the last > 9 months since I stopped the MP and thus the reason I started MMS. I > thought it would be quicker than what I'd experienced previously but > also I prefer it to antibiotics and other drugs. I do still think > that Trevor Marshall is correct in his deductions regarding Vit D though. > http://www.marshallprotocol.com/view_topic.php? id=364 & forum_id=2 & jump_to=137543#p137543 > > Thanks for listening.......Tesa > Hi Tesa, I am also in Australia. I have Lyme 29 years, misdiagnosed as CFS/fibro 22 years. Your symptoms sound very much like Lyme, particularly the Bell's Palsy. You probably know that, having been on MP for so long. Have you looked at the salt & Vitamin C protocol? I have been on it 3 years and it has really turned things around for me. www.Lymephotos.com I have added MMS the last 4 months and found it is very strong. The salt & C brought slow, but steady improvements for me. I feel that MMS is killing viruses and things that salt & C had not been able to. Salt & C is pretty safe for most people. It is also cheap and doable. I take low dose MMS morning and night, with a few doses of salt & C throughout the day, 2 hours away from MMS. I know you have been through lots of herxing. Has your husband had any treatment? I believe Lyme & co can be sexually transmitted. I am wondering if you are just being re-infected and that is why you just keep herxing, without seeing much of a breakthrough. Just my 2 cents worth, Rosemary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 <lostwithiel8@...> wrote: " Did you think it was lyme disease? Can you remember being bitten by a tic? I am fairly new to all this so forgive me if I'm repeating stuff you know all ready. So there are toxins in your body, have you ever tried a method that uses warm castor oil soaked packs wrapped around your body for a night that brings out the toxins, or a mud spa wrap? I have never tried anything like this but I did read that it's important to try to somehow detoxify first, I havn't found this group very helpful yet but you never know. " Jo No, I don't remember ever being bitten by a tick and we are told that there is no such thing as Lyme here in OZ. However, I don't necessarily believe that. In any case, I have a very knowledgeable friend who has Lyme and is treated by a LLMD so I know that a tick isn't the only possible way to invoke Lyme/BB/etc.. I do not believe that Lyme, or in fact any particular pathogen, is the cause of my dis-ease. Something allowed my body to go out of kilter and express these pathogens so I've been inclined to follow treatments that claim to get closer to the bottom line cause (e.g., guaifenesin, MP and now MMS). It seems that the Marshall protocol was working, as evidenced by my feeling much better when I took a break, but it was very painful for the 2.5 years I was on it and I wanted to get away from the abx. I was hoping MMS would be gentler and quicker, however, although I can't know about the latter yet, the former is not turning out to be the case. I'm told that my struggle could be related to not being able to remove the endotoxins so I'm looking for something to help with that. Thanks for your suggestions Jo. I haven't tried the mud or castor oil packs but they are not feasible for me at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 helen/zhebee <zhebee@...> wrote: " The Holy Tea is a great detoxifier and it's easy to drink tea which tastes good. This tea cleanses and detoxes, not just the colon but every organ and tissue in the body such as the liver, the heart, even the lungs and the brain, and right to the tiniest of cells. " Thanks Helen. I read about the holy tea a few days ago and have put it on my list of things to try. I'm on a disability pension and thus need to manage my spending carefully but I'm always working my way through the list of things people have suggested to me. I appreciate all the suggestions I receive. Best wishes.....Tesa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 28/02/2008, Lydia wrote: " I find that using a clathrating agent like Natural Cellular Defense (NCD) from www. waiora.com helps mop up and safely eliminate heavy metals and viruses that get stirred up when you kill parasites with a product like MMS. " Thanks Lydia. I'll include it in my list of things to consider. Best wishes, Tesa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I want to clarify one thing about the last post I made regarding the Holy Tea. I feel I should add that I am a representative of the Holy Tea Club and you might feel that would cloud my judgement of this product. Whether you think that or not, is ok with me. I am just mentioning it because I want you to be fully informed. Thanks Helenhelen/zhebee <zhebee@...> wrote: The Holy Tea is a great detoxifier and it's easy to drink tea which tastes good. This tea cleanses and detoxes, not just the colon but every organ and tissue in the body such as the liver, the heart, even the lungs and the brain, and right to the tiniest of cells. If you wish to learn more, go to this website: www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee There is a distribution center for this tea in Australia. You can order as little as a week's supply to try it but don't expect much in the way of results in one week with a health problem that may have been in the making for years. Helen lostwithiel8 <lostwithiel8 > wrote: Hi Tesa,Sorry to hear of all your ailments. Did you think it was lyme disease? Can you remember being bitten by a tic? I am fairly new to all this so forgive me if I'm repeating stuff you know all ready. So there are toxins in your body, have you ever tried a method that uses warm castor oil soaked packs wrapped around your body for a night that brings out the toxins, or a mud spa wrap? I have never tried anything like this but I did read that it's important to try to somehow detoxify first,I havn't found this group very helpful yet but you never know,Jox--- In , "tesa4trill" <leithaldame@...> wrote:>> Hi, I'm Tesa. I am in , Australia. I have been ill all my> life with one thing or another but always managed to cope and move on> until I was diagnosed 17 years ago with FMS 3 years after early> menopause. I have deteriorated further over time and have been using> an electric scooter for around 5 years. > > I started MMS Mid December 2007 for my myriad dx and symptoms which> I've treated with various protocols and supplements with no success> for a multitude of years, e.g., FMS;diabetes type ll; large> bi-lateral, multi, fluid filled ovarian cysts (doctors present> different views as to whether I would survive surgery so I opted out);> lymphoedema in legs; sleep apnea; hypothyroidism; obesity; chronic> insomnia; tinnitus; urinary frequency, urgency, hampered by retention;> night cramps & sometimes ribs; brain fog; etc. (history: Nausea & > vomiting often as a child, migraine headaches till after birth of both> children, bells palsy on side of face when 12 - lasted 7 weeks,> hepatitis - apparently A as I'm told by docs in the past that I have> no ongoing problems specific to B or C history), otosclerosis -> surgery to both ears in early 20s, gall stones and bladder removed at> 20, lock jaw & kidney fits when pregnant with son, laid up for 3 days> around age 22 with dreadful rheumatic pain throughout whole body> accompanied by fever, adhesions cut away from large intestine, cyst & > appendix removed at 24, prolapsed uterus & bladder: correction of both> twice at 30 & 32, endometriosis, cysts removed from ovaries, partial> hysterectomy at 34 - ovaries treated with estrogen at the time, 5> dilations of bladder.). These are just a few of the dx that represent> a multitude of symptoms. I lean towards everything being connected> and probably that they are all the result of a bottom line cause.> > Over the years I've experimented with mega-doses of vitamins & > minerals, nutrition, oxygenated water, guaifenesin, cholestyramine,> flagyl, Marshall protocol (MP), plus several others that I can no> longer remember, and now MMS. I am on a low carb diet for diabetes.> > I've gone up and down on dosing with MMS in an effort to find a dose> that won't induce overwhelming herx reactions but no success with that> yet. I've gone as low as 1/2 a drop and as high as 8 drops bid. > I've not yet had any improvement of my condition and I started it mid> December 2007. I'm experiencing the same thing I have on every other> protocol I've followed, i.e., continuous exacerbation (herx) of 'most'> of my symptoms (some are so debilitating and painful that it's> difficult to get to higher doses and the symptoms that did ease off in> the past on guai & MP had little impact overall). Currently the> pressure in the cervical spine, up through the occipItal area and> around to the jaw is as bad as it was prior to stopping the MP. It's> worse when laying down usually but today it is pretty bad too, albeit> not as bad as laying down. The pressure in my head is also very bad> the past week or so.> > I've worked up to taking 3 drops morning and another 3 drops within an> hour. I want to start a night dose too but last night I had a> horrible gut ache accompanied by nausea which continues today so I'm> not taking any MMS till that passes. I took a dose of cholestyramine> to see if that would help and it is about 30% lessened. I'm going to> take at least one more dose later and maybe two. By the way, I've> found that the herx can build in me over days.> > One of my symptoms (pressure/pain in cervical> spine/occipital/jaw/face) is currently very bad but it was present> even at 1/2 a drop anyway so I'm doing my best to work through it. > Another symptom that makes life very difficult (buttock pain) is> coming and going now after being full on for a good while, so I'm> hoping that is on the decline. I tried to go back on ALA after it> started to aid in elimination of endotoxins but it ramped the pain> right back up again. The same happened with chlorella, NAC & > cholestyramine. Hope it doesn't do that with today's dose! I am> continuing with potassium, silymarin, chromium GTF, Glycine, Vit C,> magnesium and will be including zinc as soon as I can get some. I> also take T4, amitriptyline & melatonin. Thanks to your comments> regarding transdermal magnesium Daddybob, I've bought some and am> applying generous amounts daily. I'm also drinking as much water as I> can 'stomach' (between 2 to 3), which is nowhere near the amount some> recommend I know but it's just not possible for me to take more > > I've had some incredible herxing, e.g., nausea, vomiting, pain in> stomach, diarrhoea, body wide viral type symptoms (my whole body was> in horrendous pain), pain in ribs/behind lungs, headaches, pain in> teeth/throat/gums, etc.). Most of those were on the higher doses but> I lowered my dose when the cervical spine/occipital pressure and> buttock pain started. Maybe I should have pushed on at the time but> these 2 symptoms are so painful that I cannot sit or lay down and> since my standing ability is already compromised, I haven't found a> way to deal with it. Sleep disturbance was ramped up further too and> it was already bad enough. > > I'm a bit confused by the different things I've read related to dose> and responses. I think Jim Humble says if you are not experiencing> improvement in a few weeks then you are not taking enough MMS. I> think he also refers still learning how different diseases react in> different people to different doses. At least that's what I've> deduced from my reading. I'm of the understanding that he mostly> treated malaria, aids & cancer and is thus still learning how those of> us with chronic, long term illnesses will react. I was hoping for> something amazing so it's disappointing to find myself going through> the same old, same old.> > After 2 years of being crippled by the MP, I did feel better when I> stopped it. From that I deduce it was working but I don't know how> long I would have needed to be on it before experiencing any> improvement while still on it full time. Since I went 7 years on> guaifenesin with continuous herxing, I am wary of staying on any> protocol too long again. I started to deteriorate again over the last> 9 months since I stopped the MP and thus the reason I started MMS. I> thought it would be quicker than what I'd experienced previously but> also I prefer it to antibiotics and other drugs. I do still think> that Trevor Marshall is correct in his deductions regarding Vit D though.> http://www.marshallprotocol.com/view_topic.php?id=364 & forum_id=2 & jump_to=137543#p137543> > Thanks for listening.......Tesa> Acid Reflux? Constipation? Belly Fat? Edema? More Energy..Look younger..ImproveLungs/Brain Make $$$$s! www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee Helen, Ind Rep for HTC 604-420-1544 Acid Reflux? Constipation? Belly Fat? Edema? More Energy..Look younger..ImproveLungs/Brain Make $$$$s! www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee Helen, Ind Rep for HTC 604-420-1544 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 At 12:43 PM 28/02/2008, you wrote: " I want to clarify one thing about the last post I made regarding the Holy Tea. I feel I should add that I am representative of the Holy Tea Club and you might feel that would cloud my judgement of this product. Whether you think that or not, is ok with me. I am just mentioning it because I want you to be fully informed. " Thanks Helen. I understand that often people affiliate with something they either had success with themselves or appreciate that many people have......Tesa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Hi, there! I am in Mississauga, suburb of Toronto Ontario. Aarre is a truck driver and I use identity management methods to counsel people (for free) over the phone. I'm less of a practitioner and more of a researcher and am constantly looking for possible improvements and learn from the people I work with and connect up with. Glad to be here. cheers! Colleen > > > > Hi guys, > > > > I believe adversity brings people together through all barriers. > > I have been talking to people on this group for months and I just > > wanted to say I feel a kinderd spirit to you all. > > > > Although in the begining I may have had disagreements with some, I have > > learned to accept all for what they contribute, which I find invaluable. > > > > So I just want to say Hi everybody, My name is and I live in the > > U.S.A. in washington state (we have ticks here) > > > > I would like to know who everybody is and what part of the world they > > live in? :0) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 ---Bonjour! I am from the Eastern part of Washington and yes we have ticks here too although they are not recognized too well! My husband is a mental health counselor and works at the penitentiary. I too counsel for free since I have had 4 years of mental health counseling but had to quit due to health. We are originally from the East coast and we loved Ontario when we went to visit it! Prior to that I was born in France ( I am French) and lived in Spain. Some of my infections are French passed on from generation to generation and some are Spanish and some are from NY, Florida, MA, Ohio,.I have been quite sick for the past 30 plus years. My family has never known me well. But I have a great hard life with a wonderful family and faith. So you see even my pathogens are international! Funny and complicated. I have disabilities as well. Sometimes permanent, sometimes they vary and sometimes they change, and sometimes but rarely these days I get a break. So I get it when a part of you does not work. But what joy when they do work. At 21 they said I would not last 2 years but gave no explanation. Now they say I should not be here. So much for what others say. It is what you say to yourself that will matter. Dear fellow warriors do not give up, do not look at what you see but at what you believe, believe the impossible, be grateful for what you have, keep on trucking, and let's continue to be an incouragement to each other. Thanks for asking. We Europeans do not give short answers! Even though I am an American now and have been for years. cathy In , " Colleen K. Peltomaa " <coastalfriends@...> wrote: > > Hi, there! > > I am in Mississauga, suburb of Toronto Ontario. Aarre is a truck > driver and I use identity management methods to counsel people (for > free) over the phone. I'm less of a practitioner and more of a > researcher and am constantly looking for possible improvements and > learn from the people I work with and connect up with. > > Glad to be here. > > cheers! > Colleen > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I believe adversity brings people together through all barriers. > > > I have been talking to people on this group for months and I just > > > wanted to say I feel a kinderd spirit to you all. > > > > > > Although in the begining I may have had disagreements with some, I > have > > > learned to accept all for what they contribute, which I find > invaluable. > > > > > > So I just want to say Hi everybody, My name is and I live in the > > > U.S.A. in washington state (we have ticks here) > > > > > > I would like to know who everybody is and what part of the world they > > > live in? :0) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 I love your spirit and your message! Thanks! -- [ ] Re: O.T. WHO ARE YOU? ---Bonjour! I am from the Eastern part of Washington and yes we have ticks here too although they are not recognized too well! My husband is a mental health counselor and works at the penitentiary. I too counsel for free since I have had 4 years of mental health counseling but had to quit due to health. We are originally from the East coast and we loved Ontario when we went to visit it! Prior to that I was born in France ( I am French) and lived in Spain. Some of my infections are French passed on from generation to generation and some are Spanish and some are from NY, Florida, MA, Ohio,.I have been quite sick for the past 30 plus years. My family has never known me well. But I have a great hard life with a wonderful family and faith. So you see even my pathogens are international! Funny and complicated. I have disabilities as well. Sometimes permanent, sometimes they vary and sometimes they change, and sometimes but rarely these days I get a break. So I get it when a part of you does not work. But what joy when they do work. At 21 they said I would not last 2 years but gave no explanation. Now they say I should not be here. So much for what others say. It is what you say to yourself that will matter. Dear fellow warriors do not give up, do not look at what you see but at what you believe, believe the impossible, be grateful for what you have, keep on trucking, and let's continue to be an incouragement to each other. Thanks for asking. We Europeans do not give short answers! Even though I am an American now and have been for years. cathy In , "Colleen K. Peltomaa" <coastalfriends@...> wrote: > > Hi, there! > > I am in Mississauga, suburb of Toronto Ontario. Aarre is a truck > driver and I use identity management methods to counsel people (for > free) over the phone. I'm less of a practitioner and more of a > researcher and am constantly looking for possible improvements and > learn from the people I work with and connect up with. > > Glad to be here. > > cheers! > Colleen > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I believe adversity brings people together through all barriers. > > > I have been talking to people on this group for months and I just > > > wanted to say I feel a kinderd spirit to you all. > > > > > > Although in the begining I may have had disagreements with some, I > have > > > learned to accept all for what they contribute, which I find > invaluable. > > > > > > So I just want to say Hi everybody, My name is and I live in the > > > U.S.A. in washington state (we have ticks here) > > > > > > I would like to know who everybody is and what part of the world they > > > live in? :0) > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > I believe adversity brings people together through all barriers. > > > > I have been talking to people on this group for months and I > just > > > > wanted to say I feel a kinderd spirit to you all. > > > > > > > > Although in the begining I may have had disagreements with > some, I > > have > > > > learned to accept all for what they contribute, which I find > > invaluable. > > > > > > > > So I just want to say Hi everybody, My name is and I live > in the > > > > U.S.A. in washington state (we have ticks here) > > > > > > > > I would like to know who everybody is and what part of the > world they > > > > live in? :0) > > > > > > > > > > > i am from toronto canada,and for those people who give out free counselling...good for you,we need more peope like you.. also i wasnt aware there might be a tick problem here in the toronto area. > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Hi Colleen, What exactly is Identity Management counseling? ~ Caroline Rollinson ~www.holyherbtea.com www.oilsandhealth.com >> Hi, there!> > I am in Mississauga, suburb of Toronto Ontario. Aarre is a truck> driver and I use identity management methods to counsel people (for> free) over the phone. I'm less of a practitioner and more of a> researcher and am constantly looking for possible improvements and> learn from the people I work with and connect up with.> > Glad to be here.> > cheers!> Colleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Hi, Caroline, Since I do not have a practice and do not receive any income from my little " hobby " it won't be too self-serving to briefly mention what I am doing. In fact, the process I am using has helped me to rid myself and my husband of some body problems. Identity Management borrows from different fields and works on the idea that we have the basic ability to create and that we create identities to suit occasions or incidents and that sometimes these identities become compulsive. Within these identities can be body issues. For example, I am doing an experiment with my mother-in-law's eyes. cheers! Colleen > > > > Hi, there! > > > > I am in Mississauga, suburb of Toronto Ontario. Aarre is a truck > > driver and I use identity management methods to counsel people (for > > free) over the phone. I'm less of a practitioner and more of a > > researcher and am constantly looking for possible improvements and > > learn from the people I work with and connect up with. > > > > Glad to be here. > > > > cheers! > > Colleen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 Hi Colleen, I grew up in Mississauga but now live right in Toronto. Good to see other Canucks on here! BB/Ellen > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I believe adversity brings people together through all barriers. > > > I have been talking to people on this group for months and I just > > > wanted to say I feel a kinderd spirit to you all. > > > > > > Although in the begining I may have had disagreements with some, I > have > > > learned to accept all for what they contribute, which I find > invaluable. > > > > > > So I just want to say Hi everybody, My name is and I live in the > > > U.S.A. in washington state (we have ticks here) > > > > > > I would like to know who everybody is and what part of the world they > > > live in? :0) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Hi I am from Northern Alberta, Hinton,Grande Prairie but have been in Hong Kong since Nov 88. Lived in various places in Toronto 69-81. Cheers, Doug [ ] Re: O.T. WHO ARE YOU? Hi Colleen, I grew up in Mississauga but now live right in Toronto. Good to see other Canucks on here! BB/Ellen > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I believe adversity brings people together through all barriers. > > > I have been talking to people on this group for months and I just > > > wanted to say I feel a kinderd spirit to you all. > > > > > > Although in the begining I may have had disagreements with some, I > have > > > learned to accept all for what they contribute, which I find > invaluable. > > > > > > So I just want to say Hi everybody, My name is and I live in the > > > U.S.A. in washington state (we have ticks here) > > > > > > I would like to know who everybody is and what part of the world they > > > live in? :0) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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