Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Hello Sharon/starsharThe Ulta-peptase is not the same as a digestive enzyme. Call 1-800-228-5527 and ask Dennis more about this stuff. There is no obligation to purchase it. Helen Starshar <starshar@...> wrote: This topic is hitting very close to home for me, and I really want to find *the* answer (yeah, I know---wishful thinking)Got Lyme in '01. Fortunately had bull's eye so got started on 28 days of Doxy. End of problem----I assumed.In autumn '03 got caught up in the new Vitalzyme craze and took these systemic enzymes from mid-Sept to mid Jan of '04 when I ran out. Product extremely pricey.2 weeks after stopping enzymes my problems began with what eventually turned out to be a lipoma in left groin area. It was painfully pulling on whole left leg. Had it removed in June of '06. Surgeon said she didn't think it was source of what had become a very painful *left* hip (somthing on this planet seems to like to attack left hips!) and to see an ortho. Ortho said arthritis and I would sooner or later need a hip replacement. What I don't know, and may never know, is if this arthritic hip is from Lyme (bull's eye was high on left thigh), did it have anything to do with using then abruptly stopping the enzymes, OR is it just the result from a twisted pelvis which every chiro I ever saw for 25 yrs dxed.......Kathy's comment about enzymes breaking things down is what my mind has been playing with ever since this whole mess started.So, I wanted to throw my situation into this whole Lyme/enzyme topic and see what else might turn up amongst us all.I foolishly proclaimed about 4-6 wks ago, either here or another list where hip problems were being tossed around, that I really felt that my hip was just about cured due to a combo of raw liver powder and a raw powdered bone supplement.Ha! A day or so after I wrote that, the knife started stabbing the hip again. But, I'm still better than when I saw the ortho almost 2 yrs ago.Among all the stuff I take to fortify the hip, I do take--rather gingerly---some bromelain off and on. I'm a bit leery of enzymes till, when and if, I can figure out whether they are for me or agin me.Sharon/starshar****Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:06 PMActually, most people who have lyme would benefit from both. Lyme causes inflammation wherever it goes so supplementing in bewteen meals with systemic enzymes is very helpful for that. Also when you kill the organisms they release endotoxins wherein toxin binders would be very helpful. Both play an important role in feeling better while treating the lyme.-------Original Message-------From: Kathy WengerDate: 3/2/2008 1:43:41 PM Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Update with MMS and Lyme and need some adviceThere are many many sources for enzymes.However, most Lyme sufferers seem to need binders, not things to break down, which is what enzymes do.What I've read here indicates that Lyme makes a person unable to eliminate the wastes caused by the breakdown of pathogens.I have deep sympathy for those who have Lyme. What a hard row to hoe. Acid Reflux? Constipation? Belly Fat? Edema? More Energy..Look younger..ImproveLungs/Brain Make $$$$s! www.holyteaclub.com/zhebee Helen, Ind Rep for HTC 604-420-1544 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 I've had groin and hip aches. The lyme disease was quite prevalent in this whole area accross pelvis, I went to a cranial sacral person. This area was put right but then it went out again and my left leg was shorter than the right so it might be a structual thing thing rather than enzymes or both. It comes and goes I think it's herxing because aches are really back on th mms Jo --- In , " Starshar " <starshar@...> wrote: > > This topic is hitting very close to home for me, and I really want to find *the* answer (yeah, I know---wishful thinking) > > Got Lyme in '01. Fortunately had bull's eye so got started on 28 days of Doxy. End of problem----I assumed. > > In autumn '03 got caught up in the new Vitalzyme craze and took these systemic enzymes from mid-Sept to mid Jan of '04 when I ran out. Product extremely pricey. > > 2 weeks after stopping enzymes my problems began with what eventually turned out to be a lipoma in left groin area. It was painfully pulling on whole left leg. Had it removed in June of '06. Surgeon said she didn't think it was source of what had become a very painful *left* hip (somthing on this planet seems to like to attack left hips!) and to see an ortho. Ortho said arthritis and I would sooner or later need a hip replacement. > > What I don't know, and may never know, is if this arthritic hip is from Lyme (bull's eye was high on left thigh), did it have anything to do with using then abruptly stopping the enzymes, OR is it just the result from a twisted pelvis which every chiro I ever saw for 25 yrs dxed....... > > Kathy's comment about enzymes breaking things down is what my mind has been playing with ever since this whole mess started. > > So, I wanted to throw my situation into this whole Lyme/enzyme topic and see what else might turn up amongst us all. > > I foolishly proclaimed about 4-6 wks ago, either here or another list where hip problems were being tossed around, that I really felt that my hip was just about cured due to a combo of raw liver powder and a raw powdered bone supplement. > Ha! A day or so after I wrote that, the knife started stabbing the hip again. But, I'm still better than when I saw the ortho almost 2 yrs ago. > > Among all the stuff I take to fortify the hip, I do take--rather gingerly---some bromelain off and on. I'm a bit leery of enzymes till, when and if, I can figure out whether they are for me or agin me. > > Sharon/starshar > **** > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:06 PM > > Actually, most people who have lyme would benefit from both. Lyme causes inflammation wherever it goes so supplementing in bewteen meals with systemic enzymes is very helpful for that. Also when you kill the organisms they release endotoxins wherein toxin binders would be very helpful. Both play an important role in feeling better while treating the lyme. > > > > -- RE: [ ] Re: Update with MMS and Lyme and need some advice > > There are many many sources for enzymes. > However, most Lyme sufferers seem to need binders, not things to break down, which is what enzymes do. > What I've read here indicates that Lyme makes a person unable to eliminate the wastes caused by the breakdown of pathogens. > I have deep sympathy for those who have Lyme. What a hard row to hoe. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Hi Sharon, I see two possibilites here. First, the 28 days of Doxy may not have been enough. Some doctors are saying that a minimum of six weeks is the necessary amount of time and the Doxy dose has to be fairly high...400 to 600 mgs...if memory serves me. This also has to be taken VERY soon after the tick bite. www.centralfloridaresearch.com is supposed to have a Lyme test that is more accurate than the normal antibody tests like Western Blot, if you want to check out that avenue. Secondly, if it's structural then www.egoscue.com is a very effective way to remedy it. Jim Humble mentioned this protocol somewhere in his writings. " Pain Free " is a book by Mr. Egoscue. My sister found an Egoscue clinic near her and went through a series of very unusual exercises that cured her severe pain in the sciatic and foot areas. She had tried everything...acupuncture, orthotics, chiropractic, yoga, physical therapy, etc. and this was the only thing that worked for her. If you can't find a clinic nearby, then you can send in photos of your body and you will be given exercises via email (with pix) that will work for what's going on in your body. Hope this helps, Avril In , " Starshar " <starshar@...> wrote: > > This topic is hitting very close to home for me, and I really want to find *the* answer (yeah, I know---wishful thinking) > > Got Lyme in '01. Fortunately had bull's eye so got started on 28 days of Doxy. End of problem----I assumed. > > In autumn '03 got caught up in the new Vitalzyme craze and took these systemic enzymes from mid-Sept to mid Jan of '04 when I ran out. Product extremely pricey. > > 2 weeks after stopping enzymes my problems began with what eventually turned out to be a lipoma in left groin area. It was painfully pulling on whole left leg. Had it removed in June of '06. Surgeon said she didn't think it was source of what had become a very painful *left* hip (somthing on this planet seems to like to attack left hips!) and to see an ortho. Ortho said arthritis and I would sooner or later need a hip replacement. > > What I don't know, and may never know, is if this arthritic hip is from Lyme (bull's eye was high on left thigh), did it have anything to do with using then abruptly stopping the enzymes, OR is it just the result from a twisted pelvis which every chiro I ever saw for 25 yrs dxed....... > > Kathy's comment about enzymes breaking things down is what my mind has been playing with ever since this whole mess started. > > So, I wanted to throw my situation into this whole Lyme/enzyme topic and see what else might turn up amongst us all. > > I foolishly proclaimed about 4-6 wks ago, either here or another list where hip problems were being tossed around, that I really felt that my hip was just about cured due to a combo of raw liver powder and a raw powdered bone supplement. > Ha! A day or so after I wrote that, the knife started stabbing the hip again. But, I'm still better than when I saw the ortho almost 2 yrs ago. > > Among all the stuff I take to fortify the hip, I do take--rather gingerly---some bromelain off and on. I'm a bit leery of enzymes till, when and if, I can figure out whether they are for me or agin me. > > Sharon/starshar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 , His exercises are truly effective. You wouldn't think by looking at the pix of the exercises that they would change the musculo/skeletal structure the way they do...but they do. Avril In , " ph Votta " <gaiacita@...> wrote: > > You can also just buy the paperback book Pain Free by Pete Egoscue. It has > just about all the exercises in it that they use in the clinic. I recommend > this book to everyone who has any type of joint pain, anywhere on their > body. I've seen some remarkable things in people I know using these simple > stretches. > > samala, > > > On 3/3/08, Avril <loullew3@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Sharon, > > > > > > Secondly, if it's structural then www.egoscue.com is a very effective > > way to remedy it. Jim Humble mentioned this protocol somewhere in his > > writings. " Pain Free " is a book by Mr. Egoscue. My sister found an > > Egoscue clinic near her and went through a series of very unusual > > exercises that cured her severe pain in the sciatic and foot areas. > > She had tried everything...acupuncture, orthotics, chiropractic, > > yoga, physical therapy, etc. and this was the only thing that worked > > for her. If you can't find a clinic nearby, then you can send in > > photos of your body and you will be given exercises via email (with > > pix) that will work for what's going on in your body. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Wow, what good reports! Maybe that will motivate me to get my book out and start doooing the exercises. ) Avril In , " ph Votta " <gaiacita@...> wrote: > > Yes, they are fantastic. My friend, who I told about the book, said that > she had minor scoliosis as a child. After doing these stretches for about 6 > months, she happened to have (made previously) an appt with her chiro. He > was astounded at how straight her spine was and asked what happened. She > told him about it and he wants to get a practitioner in his office. Plus, > she went to a regular doctor and he told her that she had the straightest > spine he had ever seen in a woman her age--she's 62. All due to these > stretches. > > samala, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Well, that's initiative on her part. Maybe when I get vibrantly healthy I can do the same thing! Not there yet....<sigh> Avril In , " ph Votta " <gaiacita@...> wrote: > > Yes, my friend was so impressed with what Egoscue did for her that she has > since become a therapist!! She is starting an independent practice. If she > were to register on the Egoscue site as a certified therapist it will cost > her $10,000!!! So she can't say she's certified, but she has taken their > course and will just call herself an Egoscue practitioner. > > samala, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Hi Sharon, Sounds like you hit the Lyme pretty hard. The central florida research test is somewhat similar to Mattman's Bowen test. It doesn't just test for antibodies but somehow measures the present infection. I don't know that much about it since I was strongly positive for both chronic and acute Lyme infection on the Western Blot. I was not fortunate to " catch " Lyme right after the bite. Sounds like you got a plan...hit those Egoscue exercises! Will also be my disciplinarian? Blessings, Avril In , " Starshar " <starshar@...> wrote: > > Hi Avril, > > I'm still optimistically *assuming* I killed the dreaded Lyme critters. In addition to the Doxy I drank and insufflated ozonated water every day, took C till it came out my ears, took Samento, Oregano, Thyme raw glandular------and God only knows what else at this point. You get the idea......... <G> > > That's a new Lyme test to me, I'm going to save that link. I've been wondering how accurate a test is on someone who once had Lyme --- -----would it always be positive, even though there is no evidence of the disease? > > Thanks to who tipped me off about 2 yrs ago, I have " Pain Free " and have rather randomly done some of the exercises/positions. Recently " scolded " me about not being disciplined with it, when I told her that it cut into my email reading time. > (Way to go, -------I need a disciplinarian!) > > As of late this afternoon, the hip pain ramped up to be about as bad as it ever was. Egoscue, here I come. > > And, yes, I am gobbling down every last supplement known to help arthritis! and applying DMSO > > Sharon (starshar) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Here's the link: www.centralfloridaresearch.com >> Avril,> > If that test measures present infection it would be a godsend to those of us who still wonder whether Lyme is messing around in the body!> I need to look into that.> > Poor ----what have I gotten her into?!> > Thanks, Avril!> > Sharon (starshar)> > > From: "Avril" loullew3@...> > > > Hi Sharon,> > > > Sounds like you hit the Lyme pretty hard. The central florida > > research test is somewhat similar to Mattman's Bowen test. It > > doesn't just test for antibodies but somehow measures the present > > infection. I don't know that much about it since I was strongly > > positive for both chronic and acute Lyme infection on the Western > > Blot. I was not fortunate to "catch" Lyme right after the bite.> > > > Sounds like you got a plan...hit those Egoscue exercises! Will > > also be my disciplinarian?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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