Re: Citric Acid, possible problem

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all that great information!

Allergy Research/Nutricology makes a buffered C from cassava. I don't

know if it's L-ascorbic acid, though.

Let us know when you get some exact proportions for a non-toxic

dishwasher detergent. I also don't like the thought of the residues

from regular dishwasher detergent.

Avril

In , " ransley "

<ransley@...> wrote:

>

I won't buy

> Ascorbic Acid anywhere but from the Vitamin C Foundation because of

our

> experience. Despite my previous post about C, we do use L-Ascorbic

Acid for

> some things. The VCF L-AA is non-GMO, non-corn. The overwhelming

majority of

> vitamin c products are made from corn.

> >

> All may not be lost on my purchase of citric acid. It may be quite

useful in

> making homemade non-poisonous dishwasher detergent combined with

Borax and

> low sudsing non-toxic soaps such as Miracle II.

> Daddybob

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[Guest guest]

I'm using ECOVER dishwasher powder.

Ingredients

Sodium bicarbonate, sodium disilicate, sodium carbonate, sodium

sulfate, sodium citrate, polypeptides, enzymes, sugar surfactant,

suagar based bleach activator, sugar derivates, fragrance.

> >

> I won't buy

> > Ascorbic Acid anywhere but from the Vitamin C Foundation because

of

> our

> > experience. Despite my previous post about C, we do use L-

Ascorbic

> Acid for

> > some things. The VCF L-AA is non-GMO, non-corn. The overwhelming

> majority of

> > vitamin c products are made from corn.

> > >

>

> > All may not be lost on my purchase of citric acid. It may be

quite

> useful in

> > making homemade non-poisonous dishwasher detergent combined with

> Borax and

> > low sudsing non-toxic soaps such as Miracle II.

> > Daddybob

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[Guest guest]

> Allergy Research/Nutricology makes a buffered C from cassava. I don't

> know if it's L-ascorbic acid, though.

They also make Ascorbic Acid from Cassava, but have never stated whether it's L

or R form.

> Let us know when you get some exact proportions for a non-toxic

> dishwasher detergent. I also don't like the thought of the residues

> from regular dishwasher detergent.

>

> Avril

The late Hans Neiper, MD (Germany) wrote many years ago that detergents were

impossible to ever rinse away and that they were carcinogenic.

Now that I've just reminded myself of that, I guess I'd better switch from

Cascade!

Starshar

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Using citric acid as the activator has been nagging at my mind for some time.

Just yesterday I dug out a very old paper written by the late Dr Royal Lee

(founder of Standard Process Products). I have seen claims by health

practitioners that even though Lee has been gone from this planet for about 40

some yrs, there is no one alive that can match his knowledge of biochemistry and

the working of the human body.

This paper was on arthritis and he wrote:

" Patients (arthritics) should be taken off all grapefruit, orange or lemon juice

if they have been using these products. Citric acid, until completely oxidized,

is a decalcifying agent. It is only oxidized by people who are excercising to

burn it up as it is comparable to sugar in it's metabolic character, and carries

similar caloric values. "

and

" Some radiologists have said they can look at a patient's bones and tell him

whether or not he uses grapefruit juice by their relative density " .

He also, in this article, praises the value of apple cider vinegar with a rather

detailed chemistry example.

As an aside, Lee spent decades promoting the value of raw milk, and railing

against pasteurization.

This article was written in 1952.

Even though I suspect that my sinuses are harboring fungus of some type, I'm

sticking to ACV-----especially since I've seen equal claims that it does not

affect candida. Those claims seem to be about 50-50, depending upon which

practitioner one is reading!

For the tiny amount of activator required, I don't have any problem with lemon

or lime either.

Starshar

> The last post I made about Vitamin C triggered something for me that has

> been simmering in my mind for a long time.

>

> I bought 5 pounds of NOW Foods Citric Acid a while back to activate MMS

> because sooner or later I'll get some dry Sodium Chlorite for long term

> storage and use. After experimenting with vinegar and lemon/lime juice, I

> simply saw citric acid as a quick easy and cheap way to activate MMS. Now

> I'm having doubts.

>

> The citric acid most available in dry powder is made from corn. It is not

> dried citrus powder unless you go looking for such and I don't even know if

> there really is such a thing. Modern over-bred and GMO corn is the single

> most nutritionally worthless and allergy-inducing food you can commonly eat,

> and we are exposed to it every way every day now in the form of High

> Fructose Corn Syrup. In addition, many refined corn products are now coming

> from China, where money is king and life is cheap, and need I say more about

> Chinese stuff these days?

>

> When corn products are processed, proteins are often left in that are not

> good for human consumption. These proteins are small enough to go through

> your intestinal wall, presumably if it is perforated by Candida, wreaking

> all kinds of havoc, but the most common is sinus drainage. Back in some of

> my darkest times, one night I thought I would stop breathing from having

> eaten corn. I had to totally eliminate it from my diet until our esteemed

> moderator, , told me about Colostrum. Ever since my first dose of

> Colostrum, I've never again had such reactions to corn. Colostrum heals the

> gut and the proteins don't pass through, or at least not as much. I'm coming

> back to Colostrum...

>

> To try to make a long story short, we've had extensive experience here in

> this home with the really bad effects of cheap corn source Ascorbic Acid.

> Both I and our youngest daughter have had awful reactions to it. I won't buy

> Ascorbic Acid anywhere but from the Vitamin C Foundation because of our

> experience. Despite my previous post about C, we do use L-Ascorbic Acid for

> some things. The VCF L-AA is non-GMO, non-corn. The overwhelming majority of

> vitamin c products are made from corn.

>

> The same problem most likely exists with corn source citric acid. As I've

> gone up on my intake of MMS, activated with presumably corn source citric

> acid, I have continually had problems with excessive nasal mucous which has

> allowed the very infection that I'm trying to kill, to survive. I can't

> prove a link and never will be able to *prove* it, but I've had enough of

> this. I'm going to switch back to lemon or lime juice as an activator. I'm

> not going back to cheap white vinegar because I suspect that's from corn

> too.

>

> It didn't make sense to me for the longest that vinegar might adversely

> affect Candida sufferers, and it especially didn't make sense that MMS

> activated with vinegar might do the same. After all, the MMS should kill off

> the Candida shouldn't it? Well I guess not if we're feeding it faster that

> we're killing it.

>

> Back to Colostrum: Yesterday I was fed up with this constantly running nose

> and constant clearing of my throat. I was at my wits end about defeating it.

> I finally turned back to colostrum. took a lot of it. Within a couple of

> hours the relief began. This morning, while not totally cleared, I am much

> better in that respect.

>

> All may not be lost on my purchase of citric acid. It may be quite useful in

> making homemade non-poisonous dishwasher detergent combined with Borax and

> low sudsing non-toxic soaps such as Miracle II. I'm working on that because

> when I use common dishwasher detergents I can taste them in a glass of water

> kept near the bed overnight. That stuff is no good for you. Just don't make

> the mistake I made of combining citric acid and baking soda in any way that

> will get wet. Foam Foam Foam. I told y'all I am no chemist. I forgot all

> about the most basic visual chemical reaction we all learn in school first.

> How many homemade volcanoes have we seen at elementary school science fairs?

> I still can't believe I did that.

>

> Daddybob

[Guest guest]

Good info, DB. Dishwashing: Hulda recommended Borax alone, not much of it, with vinegar as a rinse.

I see you are experimenting. Have you got an additional source of information you are using for your experiments, or are you just - being Daddybob - experimenting anyway?

I think we need your corn and Vit C etc. reminders regularly.

Rowena

[Guest guest]

That's another thing I did not understand. How can vinegar be feeding

the candida enough for it to proliferate even through the mms.

Especially when many don't feel there is any connection between

vinegar use and candida growth. Especially when Jim Humble puts no

limits on diet. Is vinegar a super feeder? Are all those taking ACV

exponentially increasing their fungal load?

greg

> He also, in this article, praises the value of apple cider vinegar

with a rather detailed chemistry example.

>

> As an aside, Lee spent decades promoting the value of raw milk, and

railing against pasteurization.

> This article was written in 1952.

>

> Even though I suspect that my sinuses are harboring fungus of some

type, I'm sticking to ACV-----especially since I've seen equal claims

that it does not affect candida. Those claims seem to be about 50-50,

depending upon which practitioner one is reading!

> For the tiny amount of activator required, I don't have any problem

with lemon or lime either.

>

> Starshar

>