Re: Chlorella and Spirulina

February 16, 2005

Hi ,

Yes, I took chlorella while I was curing my candida in the mid 1980s,

and now I take liquid chlorophyll. I understand that chlorella is

higher in chlorophyll than spirulina. I've also taken blue-green

algae but found it was very very strong, and even when I cut back to

1/4 capsule it still hit my body too hard. My naturopath doesn't

recommend it, but he also recommended chlorella.

Bee

March 3, 2005

Dear Barb,

I buy Chlorofresh liquid chlorophyll by Nature's Way at the health

store.

Bee

March 6, 2008

Thanks, Kathy-

The supplement company sounds very good....somewhat similar to

Premier Research (all their supplements are organic and made without

excipients).

I'm finding that if one kills Lyme & Co. by any means (MMS, rife,

salt/c, etc.) one MUST chelate and detoxify the heavy metals and

neurotoxins released. I like the thought of something nutritive like

chlorella as opposed to just clay or charcoal...though some would

argue that clay has minerals in it.

BTW, is your friend looking for someone else to give away his tasty

chlorella to? I'd be willing to pay postage. )

Avril

In , " Kathy Wenger "

<katmakiah@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Avril,

>

> I've had good chlorella.

> I got it for free from my friend Pat Formby.

> Big bag, he said it was the powder left over

> from the processing.

>

> He keeps pushing me to get more, >

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Pat works for Thor Johansen, who owns Bio-Life

> Naturals.

> http://www.biolifenaturals.com/

> They are new to America, so a lot of the site

> links are still under construction.

> They used to distribute solely to the

> Scandinavian Market, for over 14 years.

> Now they are coming to America.

>

> Pat just sent me a box of samples and a CD,

> which I listened to a few times.

> They are making a very excellent line of

> products.

> Bio-Organic greens, Super Biodophilus, Super

> enzymes, Candida cleanse, Detox, Fish/Cod oil,

> Super Bio-Balance, Norway's best selling multi

> vitamin, etc.

> No magnesium stearate, stearic acid, silica

> dioxide, gluten, or lactose in their products.

> These fillers are in almost every capsule and

> pill in the American Supplement industry.

> Also, no tablets, everything is either powder or

> capsules.

> For those with digestive problems, this is a

> plus.

> Oh, and vegetarian capsules, of course.

December 1, 2008

Hi Amy,

I think the gastro-intestinal distress with chlorella happens because

of it having such a hard cellulose wall that is not digested by humans.

Both chlorella and spirulina are grown mostly in man-made cement pools

- in western US, or in Okinawa, Japan, Taiwan, or China. They are

only as nutritious as some scientist thinks they need to be fed.

These types of algae will grow in water that contains heavy metals

such as lead, cadmium and mercury - so you may end up with too much of

that if you consume too much, and that could be another cause of the

intestinal distress.

As with every living thing, Spirulina and Chlorella are only as good

as what it eats, and since they are farmed, not wild-grown, who knows

what they are feeding it? Plus, the maximum number of nutrients that

most growers feed it is only about 19. Question is, how many of these

nutrients are synthetic? I would guess probably most.

Another cause of intestinal distress would be because of degraded

chlorophyll - and that happens because of the way it is processed into

capsule form, mostly through a heat process. Some people can be very

sensitive to degraded chlorophyll.

The nutrients in blue green algae (and green algae like chlorella is)

are very sensitive to heat - they quickly degrade in heat higher than

115 degrees.

The B-12 in spirulina and chlorella is an analog, which is not

understood by the human body. Not only is it not usable, but it can

actually cause pernicious anemia because it can block the absorption

of any " real " B-12 that is taken in.

People get much better results with an organic wild blue green algae -

which is cooled immediately at harvest right on the boat and processed

into capsule form at a low temperature so all the enzymes, chlorophyll

and nutrients are kept intact. Plus, since it is wild and grown in a

real lake with 35' of mineral deposits at the bottom (from the

eruption of a volcano thousands of years ago) it has all the

naturally-occurring nutrients - nobody has to add anything to it -

it's just the way nature intended it to be.

Carol

>

> Hi everyone,

> I read all of the posts in the group as they pop up in my inbox. I

> have learned so much from everyone to supplement my active, healthy,

> natural focused lifestyle.

>

> I am planning on adding Chlorella and Spirulina to my

> diet/supplementation and wondered what experiences, if any most of you

> had with either of these. I have read isolated stories of vomiting

> and gastro-intestinal distress with Chlorella specifically.

>

> Any thoughts, experiences.

>

> Thanks everyone for you continued knowledge and experiences.

>

> Amy

>

December 1, 2008

I use Greens-and-Whey. Taste is lousy, but I have gotten used to it.

I add unflavored whey, which makes it taste less bad.

10.3 Oz. Vanilla

Supplement Facts

Serving Size2Level Scoops(1oz)(29.34 g)

Servings Per Container10

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

Calories 100

Calories From Fat 10

Total Fat 1g 2%*

Saturated Fat 1g 5%*

Total Carbohydrate 2g 1%*

Sugars <1g **

Protein 20g 40%*

Vitamin A (As Hawaiian Spirulina, Organic Sun Chlorella, Organic

Barley Grass Juice Powder, Organic Alfalfa Leaf Juice Powder) 963IU

19%

Vitamin C (As Organic Barley Grass Juice Powder, Organic Alfalfa Leaf

Juice Powder, Organic Sun Chlorella, Organic Kamut Leaves, Organic

Broccoli Sprout) 1.6mg 3%

Vitamin B-6 (As Organic Barley Grass Juice Powder, Organic Alfalfa

Leaf Juice Powder, Organic Sun Chlorella, Hawaiian Spirulina) 0.04mg

2%

Vitamin B-12 (As Organic Sun Chlorella, Hawaiian Spirulina) 0.6mcg 10%

Calcium (As Whey Protein Isolate, Organic Alfalfa Leaf Juice Powder,

Organic Barley Grass Juice Powder, Hawaiian Spirulina, Organic Kamut

Leaves, Organic Sun Chlorella, Organic Broccoli Sprout) 100mg 10%

Iron (As Organic Broccoli Sprout, Organic Afalfa Leaf Juice Powder,

Organic Sun Chlorella, Hawaiian Spirulina, Organic Barley Grass Juice

Powder, Organic Kamut Leaves) 2.3mg 13%

Phosphorus (As Whey Protein Isolate, Organic Sun Chlorella, Hawaiian

Spirulina, Organic Barley Grass Juice Powder, Organic Alfalfa Leaf

Juice Powder) 50mg 5%

Magnesium As Whey Protein Isolate, Hawaiian Spirulina, Organic Alfalfa

Leaf Juice Powder, Organic Barley Grass Juice Powder, Organic Sun

Chlorella) 16mg 4%

Sodium (As Whey Protein Isolate, Sodium Chloride, Hawaiian Spirulina,

Organic Barley Grass Juice Powder, Organic Kamut Leaves, Orgain

Alfalfa Leaf Juice Powder, Medium Chain Triglycerides Concentrate)

76mg 3%

Potassium (As Whey Protein Isolate, Organic Barley Grass Juice Powder,

Organic Alfalfa Leaf Juice Powder, Hawaiian Spirulina, Organic Sun

Chlorella) 142mg 4%

Whey Protein Isolate 22g **

Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCT) Concentrate (From Coconut Oil) (50%

Medium Chain Triglycerides Equal To 1 G) 2g **

Proprietary Organic Greens Blend Providing: 1,000mg

Organic Alfalfa Leaf Juice Powder **

Organic Barley Grass Juice **

Orgnic Sun Chlorella (Chlorella Pyrenoidosa) (Algae) **

Organic Kamut (Leaf) **

Hawaiian Spirulina (Algae) **

Organic Broccoli Sprout **

Sea Buckthorn (Berry) **

Stevia Extract (Stevia Rebaudiana)(Leaf)(Standardized At 90%

Steviosides Equal To 67.5 Mg) 75mg **

* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet

** Daily Value not established

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bioc/green.html

Alobar

On 11/30/08, pricefamilyfive <amyd.price@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone,

> I read all of the posts in the group as they pop up in my inbox. I

> have learned so much from everyone to supplement my active, healthy,

> natural focused lifestyle.

>

> I am planning on adding Chlorella and Spirulina to my

> diet/supplementation and wondered what experiences, if any most of you

> had with either of these. I have read isolated stories of vomiting

> and gastro-intestinal distress with Chlorella specifically.

>

> Any thoughts, experiences.

>

> Thanks everyone for you continued knowledge and experiences.

>

> Amy

>

December 1, 2008

Carol, plants absolutely thrive on inorganic minerals, and they make

their own vitamins so whether one feeds them synthetic vitamins is not

usually an issue.

Klamath Lake minerals are inorganic, from the ash deposits on the lake

floor as you mentioned. Whether the algae in the lake has all the

minerals represented is a matter of speculation. In most volcanic

areas there is a lot of arsenic in the ash, and also other

undesireable minerals. If the arsenic is not absorbed by the algae,

what about the other minerals the algae doesn't need? I suggest not.

Is the " degraded chlorophyll " you refer to in other algae products any

more degraded by the factory than cooking your food on the stove? I

think not because only enough heat is applied to flash pasteurize and

spray dry. With respect, my red flags are up because this is the first

time in ten years I've heard of that being an issue.

Raw is good though, no doubt about it, but chlorella has to be

pressure cooked to crack it.

Duncan

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > I read all of the posts in the group as they pop up in my inbox.

I

> > have learned so much from everyone to supplement my active,

healthy,

> > natural focused lifestyle.

> >

> > I am planning on adding Chlorella and Spirulina to my

> > diet/supplementation and wondered what experiences, if any most of

you

> > had with either of these. I have read isolated stories of

vomiting

> > and gastro-intestinal distress with Chlorella specifically.

> >

> > Any thoughts, experiences.

> >

> > Thanks everyone for you continued knowledge and experiences.

> >

> > Amy

> >

>

December 8, 2008

Duncan, you have got to be kidding me! I knew you would respond to my

post - you contradict everything I say. You and I disagree on

everything - I am into the whole foods and whole food supplements to

get nutrients; and you are always advocating isolated/synthetic

supplements. Very different approaches. And I know you are trying to

slam me and my company, but our company has been in business for more

than 25 years, and 10's of thousands are eating and getting great

results from these whole food supplements. So all your derogatory

remarks will not make any difference - we've heard all these false

statements before.

AFA does indeed have vitamin B12 - The testing results indicate

significant B12 activity. It is not a false reading.

When minerals - from whole foods - are presented to the body, cells

have the ability to accept or reject minerals, including aluminum,

lead, arsenic, mercury, etc., at their discretion. It should be

considered though that these minerals may not necessarily be present

to " nourish " cells, but are needed to act as bio-reactions, electron

transfer, catalytic reactions, and transmutations. Without them you

may be missing many of the bio-reactions they enable.

It has been proven that a tomato, for instance, has way more minerals

in it if grown in an organic way, as opposed to it being fed only NPK.

You can even TASTE the difference - organically grown taste like a

tomato (because of all the minerals), and conventionally grown taste

like cardboard (because of a lack of minerals). So same with

spirulina and chlorella - if they are fed only 19 minerals, then that

probably is all they will have in the finished product.

And - there is no " speculation " as to whether or not all the minerals

are represented in AFA - they are.

Sorry to disappoint you - I know how much you want our company to be

blacklisted.

Carol

December 8, 2008

Carol, you don't have to be defensive about myths we are busting,

except the ones you attach to your own product, the blue-green algae.

I posted a comment from another source about the testing of b-12 in

blue-green algae. Instead of railing can you please address the

article, that noted the test used measures biologically unavailable b-

12 in addition to bioavailable b-12? Specifically, what percentasge of

each does blue-green algae contain, and how do you know ANY of it is

bioavailable?

I love whole foods too but the bullshit has to be purged from our DATA

banks.

Duncan

\

>

> Duncan, you have got to be kidding me! I knew you would respond to

my

> post - you contradict everything I say. You and I disagree on

> everything - I am into the whole foods and whole food supplements to

> get nutrients; and you are always advocating isolated/synthetic

> supplements. Very different approaches. And I know you are trying

to

> slam me and my company, but our company has been in business for

more

> than 25 years, and 10's of thousands are eating and getting great

> results from these whole food supplements. So all your derogatory

> remarks will not make any difference - we've heard all these false

> statements before.

>

> AFA does indeed have vitamin B12 - The testing results indicate

> significant B12 activity. It is not a false reading.

>

> When minerals - from whole foods - are presented to the body, cells

> have the ability to accept or reject minerals, including aluminum,

> lead, arsenic, mercury, etc., at their discretion. It should be

> considered though that these minerals may not necessarily be present

> to " nourish " cells, but are needed to act as bio-reactions, electron

> transfer, catalytic reactions, and transmutations. Without them you

> may be missing many of the bio-reactions they enable.

>

> It has been proven that a tomato, for instance, has way more

minerals

> in it if grown in an organic way, as opposed to it being fed only

NPK.

> You can even TASTE the difference - organically grown taste like a

> tomato (because of all the minerals), and conventionally grown taste

> like cardboard (because of a lack of minerals). So same with

> spirulina and chlorella - if they are fed only 19 minerals, then

that

> probably is all they will have in the finished product.

>

> And - there is no " speculation " as to whether or not all the

minerals

> are represented in AFA - they are.

>

> Sorry to disappoint you - I know how much you want our company to

be

> blacklisted.

>

> Carol

>

December 8, 2008

I am enjoying very much reading the information here.

Could you please not resort to profanity in your posts? Can we keep

the posts civil and courteous and respectful?

Thanks so much ....

> >

> > Duncan, you have got to be kidding me! I knew you would respond to

> my

> > post - you contradict everything I say. You and I disagree on

> > everything - I am into the whole foods and whole food supplements to

> > get nutrients; and you are always advocating isolated/synthetic

> > supplements. Very different approaches. And I know you are trying

> to

> > slam me and my company, but our company has been in business for

> more

> > than 25 years, and 10's of thousands are eating and getting great

> > results from these whole food supplements. So all your derogatory

> > remarks will not make any difference - we've heard all these false

> > statements before.

> >

> > AFA does indeed have vitamin B12 - The testing results indicate

> > significant B12 activity. It is not a false reading.

> >

> > When minerals - from whole foods - are presented to the body, cells

> > have the ability to accept or reject minerals, including aluminum,

> > lead, arsenic, mercury, etc., at their discretion. It should be

> > considered though that these minerals may not necessarily be present

> > to " nourish " cells, but are needed to act as bio-reactions, electron

> > transfer, catalytic reactions, and transmutations. Without them you

> > may be missing many of the bio-reactions they enable.

> >

> > It has been proven that a tomato, for instance, has way more

> minerals

> > in it if grown in an organic way, as opposed to it being fed only

> NPK.

> > You can even TASTE the difference - organically grown taste like a

> > tomato (because of all the minerals), and conventionally grown taste

> > like cardboard (because of a lack of minerals). So same with

> > spirulina and chlorella - if they are fed only 19 minerals, then

> that

> > probably is all they will have in the finished product.

> >

> > And - there is no " speculation " as to whether or not all the

> minerals

> > are represented in AFA - they are.

> >

> > Sorry to disappoint you - I know how much you want our company to

> be

> > blacklisted.

> >

> > Carol

> >

>

December 8, 2008

While Carol gathers data that shows the BIOAVAILABILTY of the b-12 in

blue-green algae, I'll respond to the rest of her post below.

Thinking a product is " isolated " because the product has been filtered

and the water has been removed is a mistake that many whole-foodists

make, including Carol, even though her product, algae, has been

filtered and dried in a similar manner.

Whey concentrate is dried after the bovine casein has been

precipitated out. Inulin is roots that have been mashed and watered,

then the pulp filtered and the result dried, much like algae is

processed. Montmorillonite, my choice for mineral supplementation, is

screened and dried phytoplankton and mud, nothing more, again much

like algae. In similar respects these are all " whole " foods.

To show where the speculation lies about whether plants or algae

contain certain nutrients, one has only to use selenium as an example.

Selenium is found in Brazil Nuts grown in Brazil, not in nuts grown in

Central America where there's no selenium in the groundwater.

Conversely, some plants grown in selenium-rich soil concentrate

selenium, and some don't; different kinds of broccoli come immediately

to mind.

The point is, even if the plant or alga is exposed to a mineral, it

does not mean it will take up the mineral, much less concentrate it

enough for it to be a health food.

Myth busting is one of my strengths; I do hope that people will

research the " red flag " items for themselves.

So, Carol maintains what the company says is the truth, but neither

one has satisfactorily addressed the question raised by the known lack

of accuracy of the analysis.

Like many members in the health arena, I want DATA, not myth and

posturing.

Over to you, Carol! Whenever you're ready...

Duncan

>

> Duncan, you have got to be kidding me! I knew you would respond to

my

> post - you contradict everything I say. You and I disagree on

> everything - I am into the whole foods and whole food supplements to

> get nutrients; and you are always advocating isolated/synthetic

> supplements. Very different approaches. And I know you are trying

to

> slam me and my company, but our company has been in business for

more

> than 25 years, and 10's of thousands are eating and getting great

> results from these whole food supplements. So all your derogatory

> remarks will not make any difference - we've heard all these false

> statements before.

>

> AFA does indeed have vitamin B12 - The testing results indicate

> significant B12 activity. It is not a false reading.

>

> When minerals - from whole foods - are presented to the body, cells

> have the ability to accept or reject minerals, including aluminum,

> lead, arsenic, mercury, etc., at their discretion. It should be

> considered though that these minerals may not necessarily be present

> to " nourish " cells, but are needed to act as bio-reactions, electron

> transfer, catalytic reactions, and transmutations. Without them you

> may be missing many of the bio-reactions they enable.

>

> It has been proven that a tomato, for instance, has way more

minerals

> in it if grown in an organic way, as opposed to it being fed only

NPK.

> You can even TASTE the difference - organically grown taste like a

> tomato (because of all the minerals), and conventionally grown taste

> like cardboard (because of a lack of minerals). So same with

> spirulina and chlorella - if they are fed only 19 minerals, then

that

> probably is all they will have in the finished product.

>

> And - there is no " speculation " as to whether or not all the

minerals

> are represented in AFA - they are.

>

> Sorry to disappoint you - I know how much you want our company to

be

> blacklisted.

>

> Carol

>

December 8, 2008

Sorry about the slang, but " bullshit " is in the dictionary as follows,

and it seems I have indeed selected the correct term:

Dictionary: bullshit (b & #650;l'sh & #301;t') Vulgar Slang.

Home > Library > Literature & Language > Dictionary

n.

Foolish, deceitful, or boastful language.

Something worthless, deceptive, or insincere.

Insolent talk or behavior.

v., -shit also -shat (-sh & #259;t) or -shit·ted (-sh & #301;t' & #301;d), -shit·ting,

-

shits.

v.intr.

To speak foolishly or insolently.

To engage in idle conversation.

v.tr.

To attempt to mislead or deceive by talking nonsense.

adj.

Very angry; incensed.

interj.

Used to express extreme displeasure or exasperation.

bullshitter bull'shit'ter n.

All good,

Duncan

> > >

> > > Duncan, you have got to be kidding me! I knew you would respond

to

> > my

> > > post - you contradict everything I say. You and I disagree on

> > > everything - I am into the whole foods and whole food

supplements to

> > > get nutrients; and you are always advocating isolated/synthetic

> > > supplements. Very different approaches. And I know you are

trying

> > to

> > > slam me and my company, but our company has been in business for

> > more

> > > than 25 years, and 10's of thousands are eating and getting

great

> > > results from these whole food supplements. So all your

derogatory

> > > remarks will not make any difference - we've heard all these

false

> > > statements before.

> > >

> > > AFA does indeed have vitamin B12 - The testing results indicate

> > > significant B12 activity. It is not a false reading.

> > >

> > > When minerals - from whole foods - are presented to the body,

cells

> > > have the ability to accept or reject minerals, including

aluminum,

> > > lead, arsenic, mercury, etc., at their discretion. It should be

> > > considered though that these minerals may not necessarily be

present

> > > to " nourish " cells, but are needed to act as bio-reactions,

electron

> > > transfer, catalytic reactions, and transmutations. Without them

you

> > > may be missing many of the bio-reactions they enable.

> > >

> > > It has been proven that a tomato, for instance, has way more

> > minerals

> > > in it if grown in an organic way, as opposed to it being fed

only

> > NPK.

> > > You can even TASTE the difference - organically grown taste

like a

> > > tomato (because of all the minerals), and conventionally grown

taste

> > > like cardboard (because of a lack of minerals). So same with

> > > spirulina and chlorella - if they are fed only 19 minerals, then

> > that

> > > probably is all they will have in the finished product.

> > >

> > > And - there is no " speculation " as to whether or not all the

> > minerals

> > > are represented in AFA - they are.

> > >

> > > Sorry to disappoint you - I know how much you want our company

to

> > be

> > > blacklisted.

> > >

> > > Carol

> > >

> >

>

December 8, 2008

I had no idea that my inquiry would spark such controversy. While I

can contribute intelligent offerings to many topics this is not one of

them which is why I was looking for the information and experiences

here.

I very much appreciate the information being shared despite the

disagreements. It is the disagreements that actually allows me to

learn more.

This is why I love this group and get each and every message sent to

my phone to read over and ponder instantly.

Thanks everyone.....

Amy

> >

> > Duncan, you have got to be kidding me! I knew you would respond to

> my

> > post - you contradict everything I say. You and I disagree on

> > everything - I am into the whole foods and whole food supplements to

> > get nutrients; and you are always advocating isolated/synthetic

> > supplements. Very different approaches. And I know you are trying

> to

> > slam me and my company, but our company has been in business for

> more

> > than 25 years, and 10's of thousands are eating and getting great

> > results from these whole food supplements. So all your derogatory

> > remarks will not make any difference - we've heard all these false

> > statements before.

> >

> > AFA does indeed have vitamin B12 - The testing results indicate

> > significant B12 activity. It is not a false reading.

> >

> > When minerals - from whole foods - are presented to the body, cells

> > have the ability to accept or reject minerals, including aluminum,

> > lead, arsenic, mercury, etc., at their discretion. It should be

> > considered though that these minerals may not necessarily be present

> > to " nourish " cells, but are needed to act as bio-reactions, electron

> > transfer, catalytic reactions, and transmutations. Without them you

> > may be missing many of the bio-reactions they enable.

> >

> > It has been proven that a tomato, for instance, has way more

> minerals

> > in it if grown in an organic way, as opposed to it being fed only

> NPK.

> > You can even TASTE the difference - organically grown taste like a

> > tomato (because of all the minerals), and conventionally grown taste

> > like cardboard (because of a lack of minerals). So same with

> > spirulina and chlorella - if they are fed only 19 minerals, then

> that

> > probably is all they will have in the finished product.

> >

> > And - there is no " speculation " as to whether or not all the

> minerals

> > are represented in AFA - they are.

> >

> > Sorry to disappoint you - I know how much you want our company to

> be

> > blacklisted.

> >

> > Carol

> >

>

December 9, 2008

A lesson in whole foods for Duncan - a whole food grows in nature, you

can pick it off a tree, or harvest it from your garden, and you can

eat it as is.

Yes, algae has been dried and encapsulated for ease of consumption.

But you could go to the lake and pick it out of the water and eat it.

It's a whole food.

So - I picked a few products that you mentioned or are from your

website that are not whole foods to try to teach you what a real whole

food is.

Inulin is not a whole food - it is an extracted (isolated) substance

usually from chicory root, or synthesized from sucrose. You CAN find

inulin naturally in foods such as asparagus, garlic, Jerusalem

artichokes, onions, garlic, bananas. (Those are whole foods, by the

way.)

Whey concentrate is not a whole food - is is isolated from milk. Even

on your website you call it " whey isolate " .

Selenium is not a whole food - it is one mineral of many that we need.

Only after a mineral has gone through the plants root system or

folial membranes, is it then in the proper form for ingestion.

(Meaning - eat the plant, not isolated substances, to get your minerals.)

Cod Liver Oil is not a whole food - it is extracted from a cod's liver.

When you isolate compounds from a natural substance, you lose the

synergy of the whole plant. If we continue to mess with our food

chain - making isolated/synthetic substances that pass as " nutritional

supplements " , then our health will eventually suffer the consequences.

In one of your messages you said that plants make their own vitamins,

but then in another message you say that selenium is not found in

Brazil nuts unless it is in the water. So are Brazil nuts the only

food that doesn't make their own vitamins, or are you just trying to

confuse us?

And by the way Duncan, I am very offended at your remark of me being

full of b******* - and I'm not even someone who is an " international

friend " - I live in the U.S.

Sorry, but I do not have any myths you can bust.

Carol

December 9, 2008

Indeed, if we all agree we learn nothing. Disagreements as to the facts

of anything help me know how to search for futher info, and make up my

own mind.

sol

pricefamilyfive wrote:

> I very much appreciate the information being shared despite the

> disagreements. It is the disagreements that actually allows me to

> learn more.

>

December 10, 2008

Carol, many confirmed whole foodists juice their veggies without

batting an eye; similarly, juicing a plant to get the inulin out does

not derail anyone's whole food program. A " dose " of 6 pounds of onion

or 35 ounces of garlic to get 12 grams of inulin is rather unappealing

although Chicory root is eaten as a vegetable in some parts of Europe.

What data do you have on making inulin from sucrose? My information is

the reverse, that sucrose can be obtained by breaking down inulin.

Doesn't matter to me but if it's true that sucrose can be used to make

inulin that's a good thing because inulin fetches a much better price

than sugar does.

I can leave milk in a warm environment for two days, then pour off the

liquid from the undesireable curd and let it dry, so whey powder is as

much a whole food as a concentrated product obtained by separating

most of the undesireable pond scum from the algae you're gathering out

of it. Further, whey nutritionally is a COMPLETE food, including

branched-chain amino acids, something few other foods can boast, which

underlines its usefulness as a whole food. You can't say that about

other whole foods.

Except for whey concentrates and isolates, whole foods do not contain

adequate glutathione precursors, and some contain none at all. It

would be better for confirmed whole-foodists to remember to increase

their glutathione levels the next time they are doing a health

program. I wouldn't want their belief system to foul up their anti-

aging or optimal health program.

I agree that whey isolates have undergone an additional refining

process. This is to improve the product.

I think your prophesy/speculation below doesn't hold an argument,

Carol. First, the use of " isolated/synthetic " together as if they were

similar; they are not. <snip> " When you isolate compounds from a

natural substance, you lose the

> synergy of the whole plant. If we continue to mess with our food

> chain - making isolated/synthetic substances that pass as

" nutritional

> supplements " , then our health will eventually suffer the

consequences. ...</snip>

....because the synthetics comment aside, one uses extracts precisely

to achieve the benefit the extracted component can confer. For

example, you'd have to drink 5 gallons of whole raw milk to get the

health benefit you can have with a single scoop of whey powder. If you

ate the whole food, the cow, that's a cow EVERY DAY to get enough

glutahtione precursors. While drinking a scoop of whey powder in water

may make you well, eating a whole cow or drinking five gallons of milk

would not, and would in fact kill you the first day. So I've reversed

your argument and shown where certain whole foods would kill you but

the isolate is health giving ...and I expect there are a lot more

examples of that.

Carol, while most whole foodists know the difference between vitamins

and minerals. Here your passage below that shows you do not: <snip>

> In one of your messages you said that plants make their own

vitamins,

> but then in another message you say that selenium is not found in

> Brazil nuts unless it is in the water. So are Brazil nuts the only

> food that doesn't make their own vitamins, or are you just trying to

> confuse us?</snip>

....yet you propose to inform anyone about nutrition? Yeah, right....If

there's one myth I DID bust today it's the myth that you know what

you're talking about.

You only have to remember that mineral uptake is done through the

roots; vitamins are created within the plant to relieve your

confusion.

Duncan

>

> A lesson in whole foods for Duncan - a whole food grows in nature,

you

> can pick it off a tree, or harvest it from your garden, and you can

> eat it as is.

>

> Yes, algae has been dried and encapsulated for ease of consumption.

> But you could go to the lake and pick it out of the water and eat

it.

> It's a whole food.

>

> So - I picked a few products that you mentioned or are from your

> website that are not whole foods to try to teach you what a real

whole

> food is.

>

> Inulin is not a whole food - it is an extracted (isolated) substance

> usually from chicory root, or synthesized from sucrose. You CAN

find

> inulin naturally in foods such as asparagus, garlic, Jerusalem

> artichokes, onions, garlic, bananas. (Those are whole foods, by the

> way.)

>

> Whey concentrate is not a whole food - is is isolated from milk.

Even

> on your website you call it " whey isolate " .

>

> Selenium is not a whole food - it is one mineral of many that we

need.

> Only after a mineral has gone through the plants root system or

> folial membranes, is it then in the proper form for ingestion.

> (Meaning - eat the plant, not isolated substances, to get your

minerals.)

>

> Cod Liver Oil is not a whole food - it is extracted from a cod's

liver.

>

> When you isolate compounds from a natural substance, you lose the

> synergy of the whole plant. If we continue to mess with our food

> chain - making isolated/synthetic substances that pass as

" nutritional

> supplements " , then our health will eventually suffer the

consequences.

>

> In one of your messages you said that plants make their own

vitamins,

> but then in another message you say that selenium is not found in

> Brazil nuts unless it is in the water. So are Brazil nuts the only

> food that doesn't make their own vitamins, or are you just trying to

> confuse us?

>

> And by the way Duncan, I am very offended at your remark of me being

> full of b******* - and I'm not even someone who is an " international

> friend " - I live in the U.S.

>

> Sorry, but I do not have any myths you can bust.

>

> Carol

>

December 10, 2008

what is difference between whey and undenatured whey? which company is the best

to buy from

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Re: Chlorella and Spirulina

Coconut Oil

Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 1:46 PM