Re: Almost-2 month update: feeling discouraged with MMS

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At 07:42 PM 8/03/2008, you wrote: " I ramped up too

quickly and wound up with vomiting and diarrhea the next day...I

restarted slowly with 1 drop, got up to 10 drops 2x a day but on Feb. 2nd

the same thing happened. ..Took a break for a week and then restarted,

ramping up 1 drop/dose every day. I made it up to 15 drops on

Monday March 3rd, went to bed, felt fine BUT when I took another 15 drop

dose the next am -well, you can guess what happened! Haven't taken any

since then. I feel like total crap...I'm afraid to start again

while I'm feeling like this. "

Hi BB, It might be best if you go quite a bit slower with raising your

MMS dose and if you do experience vomiting and diarrhoea at any point

just drop your dose back a little rather than stopping completely.

JH says that the latter allows the pathogens to gain ground again and

that makes sense to me. I think ever time you stop and then

ramp up quickly again you are likely to experience the same thing.

I think I may also have the detox difficulty issue because I've herxed

continuously on every treatment I've ever been on. I did feel some

improvement AFTER I stopped the Marshall protocol so I figure it worked,

at least to a point. I did end up deteriorating again the longer I

stayed off it. I wasn't happy with the continuous herxing as I was

actually bed ridden the last year I followed it, thus the reason I

thought I'd try MMS. So far I'm having the same experience,

continuous herxing even on 1/2 drop. I'm putting up with as much

herx as I can stand but still cannot get beyond 4 drops MMS daily.

I've tried chlorella, ALA, NAC, cholestyramine but they all ramp the herx

up more so I've just ordered the Holy Tea in the hopes that it might

ameliorate my herx symptoms somewhat.

Hope my comments are of some help........LD

[Guest guest]

Is the herxing caused by a bacteria releasing toxins after being

killed off? They are endotoxins with Lyme disease. Doctor Shoemaker

has a solution for this but I'm not sure what he does but gives some

of his patients something and the herxing isn't so bad.

" I ramped up too quickly and

wound

> up with vomiting and diarrhea the next day...I restarted slowly

with

> 1 drop, got up to 10 drops 2x a day but on Feb. 2nd the same thing

> happened. ..Took a break for a week and then restarted, ramping up

1

> drop/dose every day. I made it up to 15 drops on Monday March 3rd,

> went to bed, felt fine BUT when I took another 15 drop dose the

next

> am -well, you can guess what happened! Haven't taken any since

> then. I feel like total crap...I'm afraid to start again while I'm

> feeling like this. "

>

> Hi BB, It might be best if you go quite a bit slower with raising

> your MMS dose and if you do experience vomiting and diarrhoea at

any

> point just drop your dose back a little rather than stopping

> completely. JH says that the latter allows the pathogens to gain

> ground again and that makes sense to me. I think ever time you

stop

> and then ramp up quickly again you are likely to experience the

same thing.

>

> I think I may also have the detox difficulty issue because I've

> herxed continuously on every treatment I've ever been on. I did

feel

> some improvement AFTER I stopped the Marshall protocol so I figure

it

> worked, at least to a point. I did end up deteriorating again the

> longer I stayed off it. I wasn't happy with the continuous herxing

> as I was actually bed ridden the last year I followed it, thus the

> reason I thought I'd try MMS. So far I'm having the same

experience,

> continuous herxing even on 1/2 drop. I'm putting up with as much

> herx as I can stand but still cannot get beyond 4 drops MMS

> daily. I've tried chlorella, ALA, NAC, cholestyramine but they all

> ramp the herx up more so I've just ordered the Holy Tea in the

hopes

> that it might ameliorate my herx symptoms somewhat.

>

> Hope my comments are of some help........LD

>

[Guest guest]

BB,

I don't know if anyone has already told you, but slow is the way to go! I do not move up a drop until I have been on that dose about a week. In the beginning this too happened to me going too fast, so now I am very careful. I have not had another "episode" since doing it this way.

Remember it is not a race!

-- [ ] Almost-2 month update: feeling discouraged with MMS

I got my bottle of MMS on January 9th and started taking it right

away. I ramped up too quickly and wound up with vomiting and diarrhea

the next day. Stupid, I know, especially since I had just read the

e-book.

I restarted slowly with 1 drop, got up to 10 drops 2x a day but on

Feb. 2nd the same thing happened. I got very sick to my stomach

again. Did feel better for about a week after I got over this...

Took a break for a week and then restarted, ramping up 1 drop/dose

every day. I made it up to 15 drops on Monday March 3rd, went to bed,

felt fine BUT when I took another 15 drop dose the next am -well, you

can guess what happened!

Haven't taken any since then. I feel like total crap. I spent much

of today and yesterday in tears. I can't sleep, can't breathe

properly, my heart is pounding and my whole body is stiff and sore.

Maybe I'm still herxing, I don't know. I'm afraid to start again

while I'm feeling like this.

Perhaps I am one of the lucky ones who cannot detox properly. I am in

Canada and don't know if that test is available up here...

Well, that's my 2-month update. I just wanted to vent.

BLLEARRRGHHHHHHH!!!

BB

[Guest guest]

I think Cholestyramine is what he gives people who can't detox on

their own... I would have to get a script for this, not sure if I

would be able to.

Thanks for your input,

BB

" I ramped up too quickly and

> wound

> > up with vomiting and diarrhea the next day...I restarted slowly

> with

> > 1 drop, got up to 10 drops 2x a day but on Feb. 2nd the same thing

> > happened. ..Took a break for a week and then restarted, ramping up

> 1

> > drop/dose every day. I made it up to 15 drops on Monday March 3rd,

> > went to bed, felt fine BUT when I took another 15 drop dose the

> next

> > am -well, you can guess what happened! Haven't taken any since

> > then. I feel like total crap...I'm afraid to start again while I'm

> > feeling like this. "

> >

> > Hi BB, It might be best if you go quite a bit slower with raising

> > your MMS dose and if you do experience vomiting and diarrhoea at

> any

> > point just drop your dose back a little rather than stopping

> > completely. JH says that the latter allows the pathogens to gain

> > ground again and that makes sense to me. I think ever time you

> stop

> > and then ramp up quickly again you are likely to experience the

> same thing.

> >

> > I think I may also have the detox difficulty issue because I've

> > herxed continuously on every treatment I've ever been on. I did

> feel

> > some improvement AFTER I stopped the Marshall protocol so I figure

> it

> > worked, at least to a point. I did end up deteriorating again the

> > longer I stayed off it. I wasn't happy with the continuous herxing

> > as I was actually bed ridden the last year I followed it, thus the

> > reason I thought I'd try MMS. So far I'm having the same

> experience,

> > continuous herxing even on 1/2 drop. I'm putting up with as much

> > herx as I can stand but still cannot get beyond 4 drops MMS

> > daily. I've tried chlorella, ALA, NAC, cholestyramine but they all

> > ramp the herx up more so I've just ordered the Holy Tea in the

> hopes

> > that it might ameliorate my herx symptoms somewhat.

> >

> > Hope my comments are of some help........LD

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am going to give the Holy Tea a try too (hope this doesn't offend

anyone). I'm just waiting for mine to arrive. I'm stopping the MMS

for the time being -my doc is putting me on IV abx next week so I'm

going to see how I cope with that before re-adding other stuff.

BB

" I ramped up too quickly and wound

> up with vomiting and diarrhea the next day...I restarted slowly with

> 1 drop, got up to 10 drops 2x a day but on Feb. 2nd the same thing

> happened. ..Took a break for a week and then restarted, ramping up 1

> drop/dose every day. I made it up to 15 drops on Monday March 3rd,

> went to bed, felt fine BUT when I took another 15 drop dose the next

> am -well, you can guess what happened! Haven't taken any since

> then. I feel like total crap...I'm afraid to start again while I'm

> feeling like this. "

>

> Hi BB, It might be best if you go quite a bit slower with raising

> your MMS dose and if you do experience vomiting and diarrhoea at any

> point just drop your dose back a little rather than stopping

> completely. JH says that the latter allows the pathogens to gain

> ground again and that makes sense to me. I think ever time you stop

> and then ramp up quickly again you are likely to experience the same

thing.

>

> I think I may also have the detox difficulty issue because I've

> herxed continuously on every treatment I've ever been on. I did feel

> some improvement AFTER I stopped the Marshall protocol so I figure it

> worked, at least to a point. I did end up deteriorating again the

> longer I stayed off it. I wasn't happy with the continuous herxing

> as I was actually bed ridden the last year I followed it, thus the

> reason I thought I'd try MMS. So far I'm having the same experience,

> continuous herxing even on 1/2 drop. I'm putting up with as much

> herx as I can stand but still cannot get beyond 4 drops MMS

> daily. I've tried chlorella, ALA, NAC, cholestyramine but they all

> ramp the herx up more so I've just ordered the Holy Tea in the hopes

> that it might ameliorate my herx symptoms somewhat.

>

> Hope my comments are of some help........LD

>

[Guest guest]

At 03:50 PM 11/03/2008, you wrote: " I think

Cholestyramine is what he gives people who can't detox on their

own... I would have to get a script for this, not sure if I would

be able to. "

Yes, it's Cholestyramine BB but it is a major part of Shoemaker's detox

protocol. I herx'd on it alone as well as it ramps up the herx

further with abx and MMS. I think he also gives Actos for those

with insulin issues but I didn't take that. I don't believe drugs

for diabetes or IR are safe. I'm trying the cholestyramine now and

again just in case my experience with it changes. Ask your doc for

an RX BB. Hopefully s/he will write one for you. It's nearly

3 months with MMS for me but I will not be stopping it even though I've

not experienced any improvement yet. My experience with the

Marshall protocol leads me to believe that I am probably detoxing with

the MMS even though it is slow and I am not experiencing any improvement

as I go. As yet anyway. I am more inclined to add more

treatments now where once I didn't.

Best wishes.....LD

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Many use Azomite or French green clay to mop up the toxins. Also charcoal can do the job. I use Premier Reseaech's Chem Detox formula with modified citrus pectin. If you are not allergic to shellfish, NanoTek Chitosan is supposed to be excellent. Also, oil pulling, and saunas for me, takes a lot of the toxins out. Supporting your liver with milk thistle and/or Sam-E is also beneficial.

Hope this can give you some idea to start with.

-- [ ] Re: Almost-2 month update: feeling discouraged with MMS

I think Cholestyramine is what he gives people who can't detox on

their own... I would have to get a script for this, not sure if I

would be able to.

Thanks for your input,

BB

"I ramped up too quickly and

> wound

> > up with vomiting and diarrhea the next day...I restarted slowly

> with

> > 1 drop, got up to 10 drops 2x a day but on Feb. 2nd the same thing

> > happened. ..Took a break for a week and then restarted, ramping up

> 1

> > drop/dose every day. I made it up to 15 drops on Monday March 3rd,

> > went to bed, felt fine BUT when I took another 15 drop dose the

> next

> > am -well, you can guess what happened! Haven't taken any since

> > then. I feel like total crap...I'm afraid to start again while I'm

> > feeling like this."

> >

> > Hi BB, It might be best if you go quite a bit slower with raising

> > your MMS dose and if you do experience vomiting and diarrhoea at

> any

> > point just drop your dose back a little rather than stopping

> > completely. JH says that the latter allows the pathogens to gain

> > ground again and that makes sense to me. I think ever time you

> stop

> > and then ramp up quickly again you are likely to experience the

> same thing.

> >

> > I think I may also have the detox difficulty issue because I've

> > herxed continuously on every treatment I've ever been on. I did

> feel

> > some improvement AFTER I stopped the Marshall protocol so I figure

> it

> > worked, at least to a point. I did end up deteriorating again the

> > longer I stayed off it. I wasn't happy with the continuous herxing

> > as I was actually bed ridden the last year I followed it, thus the

> > reason I thought I'd try MMS. So far I'm having the same

> experience,

> > continuous herxing even on 1/2 drop. I'm putting up with as much

> > herx as I can stand but still cannot get beyond 4 drops MMS

> > daily. I've tried chlorella, ALA, NAC, cholestyramine but they all

> > ramp the herx up more so I've just ordered the Holy Tea in the

> hopes

> > that it might ameliorate my herx symptoms somewhat.

> >

> > Hope my comments are of some help........LD

> >

>