Antibiotics

[Guest guest]

,

I have never heard of taking antibiotics to treat MS, but maybe it works. I

just want to caution you about over-using antibiotics.You need to be very

careful about using antibiotics too much because with over-use, you can

make them stop working for you completely. This is sort of a personal

subject to me because one of the causes of my first husband's death was a

bacteria referred to as MRSA, which stands for methycillin resistant staph

aureus. It's a normal, everyday bacteria which has become resistant to even

the most powerful antibiotics because of the over-use of antibiotics to

treat things like viruses, which are not affected at all by antibiotics.

So anyway, really look into the use of antibiotics for MS before you make

any final decision about it. MS really stinks, but it would be much worse

to lose your life because you had a bacterial infection which no antibiotic

could treat because you had over-used antibiotics. Think about this, do a

lot of research into it, and then think about it another time or two. Since

MS is not a bacterial infection, it does not strike me as something that

antibiotics are really likely to help, and using them inappropriately has

the potential to really affect your health adversely.

Vali

Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:30:21 -0600 (Central Standard Time)

From: " " <cindyyoung@...>

Subject: CS/Betty

Thanks Betty

What is the CS list that you are referring to?I am considering taking high

dose ceflasporin(antibiotics) for my worsening ms. I've spoken to some mser

s that have had good results with antibiotics. What are your results with

cs? Are you taking it for ms?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

There exists a very real possibility that SOME of the causes of MS may be chlamydia bacteria, Lyme's bacteria, or mycoplasma. All must be treated with long term use of antibiotics. This is a quite valid use of antibiotics and doesn't fall into the inappropriate use such as when antibiotics are prescribed for treating viruses or just to appease the patient. Your concerns for the over use of antibiotics are sound and your advice to very carefully consider them prior to use is excellent. Antibiotics are hard on our body systems and are not as benign as most people would like to believe. But they are often necessary.

JT

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,I have never heard of taking antibiotics to treat MS, but maybe it works.

[Guest guest]

Vali,

Thanks for your concern regarding antibiotics. I'm sorry about your husband.Was his infection fiercely strong, or had he been on many rounds of antibiotics trying to fight it?I haven't made up my mind yet, that's why I was asking so many questions about CS. It may be safer.

Are you familiar with Dr. Sriram's work regarding treating MS with antibiotics?He works at an MS clinic at Vanderbilt Univ. in Tenn.He's had some success with this kind of treatment.We really don't know what triggers MS.There can be bacteria lurking deep in your system, and it may finally , because of your body going through something to weaken it(stress,another unrelated illness or infection)manifest as MS.

When I was a child, I had pneumonia and was put on penicillin. After a round or two of penicillin, I was "cured".Perhaps the pneumonia bacteria was just calmed down enough for my symptoms to subside and it had been driven deeper into my body tissues, only to emerge 25 years later as MS.Dr. Sriram has tested spinal fluid for bacteria in MS patients , and if found, then he treats with antibiotics. (See attachment)

I do appreciate your concern and I do see where you are coming from.

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After 2 1/2 years now Serono is working on releasing the first oral

MS treatment. What this drug will based on is Minocycline. There

going to flip a molecule, removing the anti-biotic properties while

still having the base component that works for MS.

Novel Oral Treatment for MS Under Development by Serono and Paratek

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/printerfriendlynews.php?newsid=15571

http://tinyurl.com/3ozkg

wrote:

There exists a very real possibility that SOME

of the causes of MS may be chlamydia bacteria, Lyme's bacteria, or

mycoplasma. All must be treated with long term use of antibiotics.

This is a quite valid use of antibiotics and doesn't fall into the

inappropriate use such as when antibiotics are prescribed for treating

viruses or just to appease the patient. Your concerns for the over use

of antibiotics are sound and your advice to very carefully consider

them prior to use is excellent. Antibiotics are hard on our body

systems and are not as benign as most people would like to believe.

But they are often necessary.

JT

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Vali

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Monday, January 03, 2005 5:42 PM

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Re: [low dose naltrexone] antibiotics

,

I have never heard of taking antibiotics to treat MS, but maybe it

works.

[Guest guest]

Tom,

Please explain further about MS not being an auto-immune disease that is.

Best wishes always Joanne L.

-----Original Message-----From: tom bayuk [mailto:tbayuk@...]Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:43 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] antibioticsVali,Thank you for a very informative post. Send me your mailing address I want to send you a book that I have written. I am convinced that ms is not auto-immune at all.Regards,Tom Re: antibiotics>>>> Vali,>>Thanks for your concern regarding antibiotics. I'm sorry about your >>husband>>Was his infection fiercely strong, or had he been on many rounds of>>antibiotics trying to fight it?I haven't made up my mind yet, that's why I>>was asking so many questions about CS. It may be safer.>>Are you familiar with Dr. Sriram's work regarding treating MS with>>antibiotics?He works at an MS clinic at Vanderbilt Univ. in Tenn.He's had>>some success with this kind of treatment.We really don't know what >>triggers>>MS.There can be bacteria lurking deep in your system, and it may finally ,>>because of your body going through something to weaken it(stress,another>>unrelated illness or infection)manifest as MS.>>When I was a child, I had pneumonia and was put on penicillin. After a >>round>>or two of penicillin, I was "cured".Perhaps the pneumonia bacteria was >>just>>calmed down enough for my symptoms to subside and it had been driven >>deeper>>into my body tissues, only to emerge 25 years later as MS.Dr. Sriram has>>tested spinal fluid for bacteria in MS patients , and if found, then he>>treats with antibiotics. (See attachment)>>I do appreciate your concern and I do see where you are coming from.>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Joanne,

Do you have my latest book "20 Years and Still Coping and Prevailing" ? It is detailed there. If not send me your address.

I believe there may be several "Triggers" thatmay bring about the onset of ms. This of course would indicate that we have a genetic predisposition to ms.

The "Trigger" could be; 1. Stress 2. Allergen's 3. Viral ( Mononucleosis) or a combination of all three.

Regards,

Tom,

Re: antibiotics>>>> Vali,>>Thanks for your concern regarding antibiotics. I'm sorry about your >>husband>>Was his infection fiercely strong, or had he been on many rounds of>>antibiotics trying to fight it?I haven't made up my mind yet, that's why I>>was asking so many questions about CS. It may be safer.>>Are you familiar with Dr. Sriram's work regarding treating MS with>>antibiotics?He works at an MS clinic at Vanderbilt Univ. in Tenn.He's had>>some success with this kind of treatment.We really don't know what >>triggers>>MS.There can be bacteria lurking deep in your system, and it may finally ,>>because of your body going through something to weaken it(stress,another>>unrelated illness or infection)manifest as MS.>>When I was a child, I had pneumonia and was put on penicillin. After a >>round>>or two of penicillin, I was "cured".Perhaps the pneumonia bacteria was >>just>>calmed down enough for my symptoms to subside and it had been driven >>deeper>>into my body tissues, only to emerge 25 years later as MS.Dr. Sriram has>>tested spinal fluid for bacteria in MS patients , and if found, then he>>treats with antibiotics. (See attachment)>>I do appreciate your concern and I do see where you are coming from.>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Nystatin should work well against an oral or sinus yeast infection especially if

supplemented with 4000-6000 mg of Vitamin C a day.

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[] antibiotics

I just started antibiiotics for a sinus infection. Im on nystatin. Should

this help keep the yeast in check? Im on the nystatin for repeated yeast

infections in my mouth...as well as sinuses.

Janet

[Guest guest]

> I just started antibiiotics for a sinus infection. Im on nystatin.

Should

> this help keep the yeast in check? Im on the nystatin for repeated

yeast

> infections in my mouth...as well as sinuses.

> Janet

Janet, are you doing the nystatin through a doctor or treating

yourself? I have always wanted to check it out but was afraid. I also

have the yeast in my mouth and haven't had much luck getting rid of it.

How are you feeling with it? Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Ginger,

You should always take antifungals when you take antibiotics. At

least that is what I have been told. Antibiotics also kill the

beneficial bacteria in your GI system that are guarding you against

Candida and fungii so fungal and Candida infections get worse if you

have them. If you have been diagnosed with either a fungal infection

or Candida, your doctor should be willing to prescribe an antifungal

or at least Nystatin (to keep at least Candida down) every time they

give you an antibiotic. If you haven't been diagnosed, there is the

prproblem. I had alot of antibiotics after abdominal surgery in

October and every part of my body hurt WORSE than my rather large

vertical abdominal incision. I had whole body pains and joint pains

that were TERRIBLE. I felt like someone had beaten me up. I couldn't

get antifungals because no diagnosis of Candida or fungal infection.

I was in tears. People thought it was from the surgery. I said no

it's my body. I hurt everywhere. I rarely even thought aboutsite

unless someone asked about it. Body pain kept me focused on it. It

took several months but body pain eventually disappeared. Of course I

have been on Anti-candida diet and taking natural antifungals. Some

doctors will give Nystatin if you tell them you need it. Some won't.

> Ive been getting sick from some antibiotics Im taking for a sinus

infection.

> I looked them up on line this morning. Ceftin. They are derived from

a

> fungus!!!! So my mold symptoms are not in my imaginatuion.

> Janet

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am currently on Nystatin as well but was shocked this new antibiotic

brought out my mold symptoms. When I looked it up it said it was derived from a

fungus called.....cephalosporium.

I am on steroids as well.

Janet

[Guest guest]

My pulmonolist's PA had an " ah ha " moment when I wa.s telling him

about the mold problems I have. He looked at my list of medicines that

I am allergic to- penicillin, cefzil, ceclor, sulfa and he said " wow-

mold problem- that makes sense with these allergies " . he is so far the

nonly one that has " seen " !

[Guest guest]

I seem to remember that penicillin was discovered during WWII from bread mold

and later new antibiotics were derived from one mold or another. Mold can

consume bacteria thus to kill new super strains of bacteria new antibiotics are

continually being developed to combat bacteria. Today before administering

antibiotics a physician usually asks if you are or have been allergic to any

anti-biotic.

Ken

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Re: [] Re: antibiotics

I am currently on Nystatin as well but was shocked this new antibiotic

brought out my mold symptoms. When I looked it up it said it was derived from

a

fungus called.....cephalosporium.

I am on steroids as well.

Janet

[Guest guest]

Speaking of antibiotics, I had oral surgery today to implant a post for a tooth replacement.

I've lost two teeth to HepC in the last year and a half.

This is why I quit taking MMS.

I didn't want to juggle the antibiotics and the MMS. It's not worth the possibility of mesing up and losing the $1200 implant.

I don't have dental insurance.

As soon as I get done with the antibiotics I well start doing the MMS again.

Meanwhile I'll be taking the PB-8 to keep everything working right.

I tried Clindamycin last time.. ouch...!!!

That stuff and MMS made my colon bleed.

Kathy

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