Re: NHL Vaccine

[Guest guest]

If the cancer is in remission, this would make perfect sence to boost the

immune. The cancer is gone or very little and the good cells out weigh any

cancer cells . I have heard of this vacine. The one thing that had me

stumped was that doctors will give people something like neupogen to boost

the white blood count. This said to me immidiately the to boost the immune

would be benificial, until I found out that there are alot of different cells

involved in the immune. The white blood cells (t cells) have many different

cells, the neupogen is designed to target only one. The nuprocell, this is

the cell that fights bateria and virus. Thus it is very closely monitered

though blood tests. We cannot do this at home.

I don`t mean to dismiss immune boosters, I think they are great but I think

people with lymphoma should becareful.

Alot of the products I`ve seen, have not been tested for lymphoma, and the

doctors don`t even understand alot about it. There are so many variations

of lymphoma it is hard to know who should and who shouldn`t and how much. We

all want the same thing, to be well. Ultimately the desision is up to the

individual. Education is the best weapon. I try not to dismiss anything and

do not become offended at peoples attemts to help. I read and try to weigh

the pros and cons.

I left the ither group that dismisses alternate care because I surely believe

that natural is the way to go. But I also belive that even if something is

natural and has worked for many people with breast or prostae cancer or any

other cancer may not work for me. We are all individuals and all have things

that work best for us.

This is why I like this group, all people have different ideas and we learn

from others.

I don`t belive in a vacine either, it is also manipulating the immune system,

and worse still it is not natural.

[Guest guest]

From: Jwlk@...

Date sent: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:51:35 EST

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Subject: Re: NHL Vaccine

> If the cancer is in remission, this would make perfect sence to boost the

> immune. The cancer is gone or very little and the good cells out weigh any

> cancer cells . I have heard of this vacine. The one thing that had me

> stumped was that doctors will give people something like neupogen to boost

> the white blood count. This said to me immidiately the to boost the immune

> would be benificial, until I found out that there are alot of different cells

> involved in the immune. The white blood cells (t cells) have many different

> cells, the neupogen is designed to target only one. The nuprocell, this is

> the cell that fights bateria and virus. Thus it is very closely monitered

> though blood tests. We cannot do this at home.

> I don`t mean to dismiss immune boosters, I think they are great but I think

> people with lymphoma should becareful.

> There are so many variations

> of lymphoma it is hard to know who should and who shouldn`t and how much.

>

Hi,

I know two people with Lymphoma, my sister and a friend. Both have

made a

recovery. I hope you do too, .

I joined a Lymphoma list yesterday and am disappointed with what I read on that

list. They are all against immune stimulation. I say they are all mistaken.

I dont know much about Lymphoma, can someone please explain why lymphoma

patients

should not stimulate their macrophages? I dont mean just telling me " that the

doctor

said not to. "

moonbeam

Cancer 1999 Nov 15;86(10):2133-7

TITLE

Defective activity of monocytes from patients with

non-Hodgkin lymphoma. The modulatory effect of

granulocyte-macrophage-colony stimulating factor.

Burgaleta C, Villalba S, N

Service of Hematology. Hospital Ramon y Cajal. Madrid, Spain.

BACKGROUND: Mononuclear phagocytic function is not well

defined in

non-Hodgkin lymphoma patients although, defective function of

those

cells has been reported in patients with Hodgkin disease and

other solid

tumors. The potential application of

granulocyte-macrophage-colony

stimulating factor (GM-CSF) in the prevention and treatment of

infections

in those patients is being studied. RESULTS: The phagocytosis

and chemotactic

activity of monocytes from non-Hodgkin lymphoma patients was

lower

than results obtained with cells from healthy donors (P <

0.05), and

microbiocidal activity against Candida albicanswas similar in

both

groups. After exposure to GM-CSF, the functional activity of

monocytes

from control donors was only slightly modified (P > 0.05); by

contrast, the

percentage of mononuclear phagocytic cells in non-Hodgkin

lymphoma

(NHL) patients increased from 41 +/- 3% to 53 +/- 3%,

microbiocidal activity

against Candida from 54 +/- 5% to 66 +/- 6% (P > 0.05)

CONCLUSIONS: The results of this study indicate that there is

defective

phagocytic and chemotactic activity in monocytes from NHL

patients at

diagnosis. " In vitro " improvement of phagocytic activity was

observed

after exposure to GM-CSF. Copyright 1999 American Cancer

Society.

PMID: 10570442, UI: 20040133

[Guest guest]

Hi moon beam,

I was also on that list for a time. I think they are too narrow minded.

The reason boosting the immune is dangerous, is because this is where the

cancer is! Immune boosters target the immune system and increase the strength

and reproduction of the cells. There is no control over which cells are being

increased.So in actual fact someone with lymphoma could be increasing the

strenghth and reprodution of the canceous cells.

There are soo many kinds of lymphoma. Non Hodkins lymphona and Hodgkins

lymphoma, and in the Non Hodgkins(NHL) group, there are about 15 different

kinds. Each one having their own characteristics and staging and

aggressiveness.

In this group there is T cell (white blood cell or NK cell) and Bcell (red

blood cell).

Alot of these products (transfer factor) say right in the info that it

targets the NK cell (white blood cells) and boost their effect on the body.

Thats great if you don`t have cancer of the NK , white ,t Cells.

Let me try this>> If a woman has breast cancer, she finds out their is a

product that increases the cells in the breast to promote larger breast. If

she were to take this product, would it not in fact increase the cells in the

toumor ?

Another>> if you wanted to destroy an ant colony would you put more ants

there?

It is a very controversial subject. I`ll bet that you will find the same

thing I have in my research of immune booster, most do not study their

product on lymphoma.

I left the other group, because I believe there is a place for natural

products even with lymphoma. Most people with T cell lymphoma are a stage 4

when dx because it is not well understood. This does not leave much time to

desided what to do nor does it leave much time for the natural remidies to do

their job.

But if they can get the cancer in remission and then do for their bodies the

right thing naturally their chances of reoccurance should disapate.

Lymphoma is the 5 most common cancer and has held the highest death rate

because it is not well understood.

So the only point I try to make is , The best way to plat it safe is to keep

the body in a constant equalibrium until the cancer is in remission then

target the immune after the lymphoma patient is sure the cancer is in

remission. I know it seems kind of backward to want to kill the immune first

then rebuild. But there is limited choice for those of us with lymphoma.

I am happy that it worked for your sister and friend. It is possable their

lymphoma was a different kind than mine, and maybe not as advanced.

I have periheral t cell non hodgkins lymphoma satage 4 with bone marrow

involement,serosa on the uteruos possable malt, and rash on the face possable

cutaneous. These are three different kinds of lymphoma I have, all are in the

T cell family.

I hope you understand I am not against these products and would never

discourage them if I didn`t truley belive they may be actually harming a

lymphoma patient while their cancer was active. I would be estactic to belive

otherwise or to have some concreate proof . Studies on lymphoma .

[Guest guest]

One more thing, My doctor has not told me this. I researched it out for

myself because I believed his opinion would be bias.

[Guest guest]

Hello!

I am new to the list, and have been reading the posts, and it seems that there is so very much information that is is mind bogling! I have non-Hodgkins Lymphoma, and I hope that this question is okay to ask here... it has been my belief that all people with cancer experience a great amount of weight loss, I have not had much. I have lost approx. 20 lbs. I am still overweight. Has anyone else out there not had a lot of weight loss with this?

Always ~

Noel

[Guest guest]

Noel,

I have lymphoma and I have lost 6 pounds as a result and before dx I lost 10

pounds as a result of the b symptoms. This is not uncommon of lyphoma

patients some actually gain weight during chemothearapy treatments due to the

prednisone.

[Guest guest]

Moonbeam, I must say youare a wealth of info and provide very valid points.

I do not avoid helping my immune system, I do take immune boosters, just not

large doses of these I strongly believe in harmonizing the body.

I have checked out the Grearson diet and it proves to have alot of benifits.

I have checked out the Vegan diet and it has proven to great results aswell.

The oxygen thearapy apears to have benifits and very good therory. This I am

trying.

I eat mostly raw food and try to stay as close to nature as possable.

I believe in faith and keeping a positative attitude, and trying my best to

be helpful to others.

I do the flax seed oil and cotage cheese, and Before I knew of the cancer I

was on Noni nectar and had meraculous results. This is an immune booster but

it is more geared to harmonizing the body systemically and assiting the body

to do the the job itself rather than manipulating it.

I like your response to the ant analogy<g>

The number of cells can become an issue for me because, I have found time

and time again that cancer is not asleep. It is shown that cancer cells

reproduce at a faster rate than healthy cells. They have lost their

programing (assumed to be sleeping) but I prefer to use the word lost or

confused. As a part of their confusion they do not know when they are

supposed to die. So in fact you are very correct when you say we need to help

our body recocnize these cells a desroty them. Then rebuild a healthy cell in

its place.

The problem then only seems to be, can we do this before the cancer consumes

us?

So the aggressiveness of the cancer comes into play. If we reproduce these

cells all at the same rate , The healthy cells for example reproduce at one

per sec and the cancer cells reproduce at three per sec then we may be

creating the same problem just in larger numbers.( these numbers are not

factual)

I realy do belive there is great affectivness in immune booster, the concern

is the timing.

I have had some great news , my ct scan on friday showed all is clear. This

is half the battle as my cancer does not mestasize in the lymph nodes but

does show traces of cancer cells. The really assuring test will be the bone

marrow biopsey. They are going to do this before the holidays so hopfully

good news for the holiday and new year. I pray that this year I will be

given the best gift of all and remmission will give me the oppurtunity to do

it right through diet immune boosters and really appreciating life for what

it is and not what I wished it to be.

I am not trying to challenge you, I like to get your response and learn from

you, and all the others on the list. Also by disscussing these things people

new to the list can learn and make desisions on their own what they think is

best for them. The more info the better and the many different points of view

are welcomed to assist all the different peoples needs.

I `ll bet the group you spoke with were very aggressive towards you? I got

the same response. That is how I found this group and I am greatful to all

the people on the list who are helping eachother and are not ao narrow minded

to dissmiss others needs and beliefs. This truly is a group that is

supportive and the people on this list give me courage and education support

and direction. I am soo apreaciative and wish you all the best in your

journey. I am glad to be apart of it.

[Guest guest]

From: Jwlk@...

Date sent: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:39:32 EST

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Subject: Re: NHL Vaccine

To me, this is an important theoretical post.

> Hi moon beam,

Hi ,

I hope you get well soon. I am a bit surpirsed you are willing to

discuss this topic with me as many people are not willing to even discuss this

topic. Please dont ever take any thing I write as medical advice but just as

food

for thought.

> The reason boosting the immune is dangerous, is because this is where the

> cancer is!

OK we agree the cancer is at the lymph. Of course the cancer mat not have

originated in the Lymph, but a few stray cancer cells, picked up by the

Lymphatic

tubes carry the cancer cells to the lymph nodes where, becasue of their large

size,

they get stuck at a lymph tube junction. There they stay and grow. Thats why

metastasis to the lymph is so common. On the other hand the cancer may have

begun at

the lymph.

> Immune boosters target the immune system and increase the strength

> and reproduction of the cells.

Immune boosters, like beta glucan, effect macrophages, which are not located

at

the Lymph nodes. It is not accurate to say they increase the strength, rather

they

turn the macrophage on, activating the macrophage, resulting in production of

Lympoma toxic compounds like Interleukin-2 and other compounds which are

cytotoxic

to all kinds of Lympoma cells. They activate phagocytosis of the macrophage,

which

gives it the abitlity to surround and digest any kind of Lymphoma cell.

T-Cells also can be activated by macrophage activators. I posted an article

which

shows often people with lymphoma have an inactive or dormant immune system.

Which

will have no cancer killing abilities.

I suggest your immune sytem is completely unaware that your body has lymphoma.

It

would be unaware because it has not recognized the cancer cells because you take

care not to activate your immune system. Published studies show that Immune

activation cam cause the body to recognize and then kill, cancer cells that it

would

otherwise would not recognize or kill. (Vitveka et al)

I suggest that in Japan a Beta Glucan (PSK) is used against Lymphoma with

success.

You probably think if I have more T-cells, I will get more sick. But your

T-cells

are also alseep, unaware that they themselves have cancer. If you get more

T-Cells

the cancer will grow more quickly, you suggest. That would be true if the new T-

cells were asleep and not cytotoxic to cancer cells, like your old sick ones

are.

I suggest your T-cells are not fighting your T-Cell cancer, as they are

asleep. It

is not just a matter of having more immune cells, the immune cells must be told

to

make anti cancer compounds and immune activators will give them that message.

Kobayashi H Matsunaga K Fujii M

: Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev (1993 May-Jun) 2(3):271-6

Oral administration of PSK reduced the

incidence of tumor and/or prolonged the survival period in the

following.... animal cancer models: mouse thymic lymphoma.

This agent.... prevented the increase in frequency of anticancer agent-induced

sister chromatid exchange,..... suggesting an effect on the

initiation or promotion process of carcinogenesis. Also, PSK

regulated cytokine production and enhanced the antitumor activity of

effector cells such as killer T-cells and natural killer cells,

suggesting an effect on the growth process after the development of

malignant cells.

> There is no control over which cells are being

> increased.So in actual fact someone with lymphoma could be increasing the

> strenghth and reprodution of the canceous cells.

I disagree with this statement, yet completely understand why you would

think

that. You have not considered the quality of the T-Cells, just the number of T-

cells. You seem unaware that your sick T-cells are not even fighting the cancer

as

they are asleep and so quite vulnerable to cancer. If they were awake they might

begin to fight the canecr, helped by all your other immune cells, if they were

activated. The strength of any T-cell with cancer will not be increased. Any

T-cell

with cancer is simply going to live or die, not get stronger. It feeds on sick

weak

T-cells, who cant recognize the invader, so instead of killing the invader, they

become food for the invader. More food equals more cancer you will say. But hey,

it

has allready spread to your bones, because their was no immune system to stop

it.

Stopping metastasis is the easiest thing for the immune system as the

metastasic

cancer cells are really small and easy food for an active hungry macrophage.

Would you be willing to have more T-Cells (you have T-cell cancer) if your

macrophages were simultaneously activated, so as to able to recognize and kill

your

sick T-Cells?

Would you be willing to have more T-Cells if the new T-cells were able to

kill

your old sick T-cells?

> There are soo many kinds of lymphoma. Non Hodkins lymphona and Hodgkins

> lymphoma, and in the Non Hodgkins(NHL) group, there are about 15 different

> kinds. Each one having their own characteristics and staging and

> aggressiveness.

This is true.

> In this group there is T cell (white blood cell or NK cell) and Bcell (red

> blood cell).

> Alot of these products (transfer factor) say right in the info that it

> targets the NK cell (white blood cells) and boost their effect on the body.

> Thats great if you don`t have cancer of the NK , white ,t Cells.

Again you seem to asume that the only variability is the number of T-cells,

that

all T-cells are the same qualitatively. If there was no qualitative difference

between an activated T-Cell and an inactive T-Cell then I might agree with you.

But the activated T-cells created by immune activation will be quite different

from

your sick T-cells. These will be T-cells giving out toxic anti-cancer compounds,

whereas your T-cells are not giving out any toxic anti-cancer compounds.

> If a woman has breast cancer, she finds out their is a

> product that increases the cells in the breast to promote larger breast. If

> she were to take this product, would it not in fact increase the cells in the

> toumor ?

There s a car race, all the cars take off, yet one stays on the grid, a

mechanic

runs over and says, " whats the probelm " . The driver replies " I forgot the

ignition

key " .

> Another>> if you wanted to destroy an ant colony would you put more ants

> there?

I would put there ants that eat the ants allready there. Your ants anre not

eating anything, the new ants will be qualitatively different from the old ants.

They will be eaters.... of cancer.

> It is a very controversial subject.

CORRECT !!!

I`ll bet that you will find the same

> thing I have in my research of immune booster, most do not study their

> product on lymphoma.

You have not responded to my post on the cytotoxic activation by beta glucan

of

Kupffer cells which were shown to be able to kill Lymphoma cells through nitric

oxide production.

> Lymphoma is the 5 most common cancer and has held the highest death rate

> because it is not well understood.

Lymphoma is caused by chemicals. Chemicals put the immune sytem to sleep or

deactivate it. Everyone now has these chemicals in their blood. Everyone now has

an

immune sytem weakened by these chemicals. Dioxin will do as a name to describe

these

chemicals. Most dioxins enter USA via the wind. Milk and meat are also sources

of

dioxin.

>I know it seems kind of backward to want to kill the immune first

> then rebuild.

Yes it does seem backward.

This is a very important topic we are discussing here as most Lymphoma

patients

think the same as you.

What is your view on the Geerson raw vegetable therapy or Oxygen therapy, or

B17?

Recovery from lymphoma with Gerson therapy

http://www.gerson.org/healing/articles/nl_schickel.html

> otherwise or to have some concreate proof . Studies on lymphoma .

Good Point

All the best,

moonbeam

[Guest guest]

If you live in the U.S., I have good info of what the N.M.D. on our Healthy

Choices research team uses. He has studied cancer in the U.S. & throughout

Europe for 15 yrs. Also I have lots of info on how to reduce the toxic

chemicals in your environment (the cause of cancer). It will do no good to

rid oneself of cancer if we keep supplying the body with an excess of free

radicals which cause the cancer in the first place. All the info is free

since Healthy Choices is a non-profit organization.

Kay Heizer

hhadvisory@...

877-634-2747

Re: NHL Vaccine

> Moonbeam, I must say youare a wealth of info and provide very valid

points.

> I do not avoid helping my immune system, I do take immune boosters, just

not

> large doses of these I strongly believe in harmonizing the body.

> I have checked out the Grearson diet and it proves to have alot of

benifits.

> I have checked out the Vegan diet and it has proven to great results

aswell.

> The oxygen thearapy apears to have benifits and very good therory. This I

am

> trying.

> I eat mostly raw food and try to stay as close to nature as possable.

> I believe in faith and keeping a positative attitude, and trying my best

to

> be helpful to others.

> I do the flax seed oil and cotage cheese, and Before I knew of the cancer

I

> was on Noni nectar and had meraculous results. This is an immune booster

but

> it is more geared to harmonizing the body systemically and assiting the

body

> to do the the job itself rather than manipulating it.

>

> I like your response to the ant analogy<g>

> The number of cells can become an issue for me because, I have found time

> and time again that cancer is not asleep. It is shown that cancer cells

> reproduce at a faster rate than healthy cells. They have lost their

> programing (assumed to be sleeping) but I prefer to use the word lost or

> confused. As a part of their confusion they do not know when they are

> supposed to die. So in fact you are very correct when you say we need to

help

> our body recocnize these cells a desroty them. Then rebuild a healthy cell

in

> its place.

> The problem then only seems to be, can we do this before the cancer

consumes

> us?

> So the aggressiveness of the cancer comes into play. If we reproduce these

> cells all at the same rate , The healthy cells for example reproduce at

one

> per sec and the cancer cells reproduce at three per sec then we may be

> creating the same problem just in larger numbers.( these numbers are not

> factual)

> I realy do belive there is great affectivness in immune booster, the

concern

> is the timing.

> I have had some great news , my ct scan on friday showed all is clear.

This

> is half the battle as my cancer does not mestasize in the lymph nodes but

> does show traces of cancer cells. The really assuring test will be the

bone

> marrow biopsey. They are going to do this before the holidays so hopfully

> good news for the holiday and new year. I pray that this year I will be

> given the best gift of all and remmission will give me the oppurtunity to

do

> it right through diet immune boosters and really appreciating life for

what

> it is and not what I wished it to be.

> I am not trying to challenge you, I like to get your response and learn

from

> you, and all the others on the list. Also by disscussing these things

people

> new to the list can learn and make desisions on their own what they think

is

> best for them. The more info the better and the many different points of

view

> are welcomed to assist all the different peoples needs.

> I `ll bet the group you spoke with were very aggressive towards you? I got

> the same response. That is how I found this group and I am greatful to all

> the people on the list who are helping eachother and are not ao narrow

minded

> to dissmiss others needs and beliefs. This truly is a group that is

> supportive and the people on this list give me courage and education

support

> and direction. I am soo apreaciative and wish you all the best in your

> journey. I am glad to be apart of it.

>

>

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

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[Guest guest]

My husband was just diagnosed with stage 3 lung cancer adenocarcinoma ,

unknown primary but Docs are certain it's bronchogenic. It has not spread

anywhere else for now. It's quite ironic that he just finished his 7th LA

Marathon last March. We took ballroom dancing lessons 2X a week and went out

dancing atleast 2-3X a week. We can no longer participate in any of these. Do

not mean to make this too long. I just wanted you to know I have read through

all the discussion you had with moonbeam. I found it very informative and

hopeful... Just want to let you know you are in my prayers.

[Guest guest]

kay..please post to us all what the good dr. uses and is helpful for cancer

and also how to get rid of the toxins. I would love to read what he has

found to help. Thanks ahead !!! Judy Hoffman

Re: NHL Vaccine

>If you live in the U.S., I have good info of what the N.M.D. on our Healthy

>Choices research team uses. He has studied cancer in the U.S. & throughout

>Europe for 15 yrs. Also I have lots of info on how to reduce the toxic

>chemicals in your environment (the cause of cancer). It will do no good to

>rid oneself of cancer if we keep supplying the body with an excess of free

>radicals which cause the cancer in the first place. All the info is free

>since Healthy Choices is a non-profit organization.

>Kay Heizer

>hhadvisory@...

>877-634-2747

> Re: NHL Vaccine

>

>

>> Moonbeam, I must say youare a wealth of info and provide very valid

>points.

>> I do not avoid helping my immune system, I do take immune boosters, just

>not

>> large doses of these I strongly believe in harmonizing the body.

>> I have checked out the Grearson diet and it proves to have alot of

>benifits.

>> I have checked out the Vegan diet and it has proven to great results

>aswell.

>> The oxygen thearapy apears to have benifits and very good therory. This I

>am

>> trying.

>> I eat mostly raw food and try to stay as close to nature as possable.

>> I believe in faith and keeping a positative attitude, and trying my best

>to

>> be helpful to others.

>> I do the flax seed oil and cotage cheese, and Before I knew of the cancer

>I

>> was on Noni nectar and had meraculous results. This is an immune booster

>but

>> it is more geared to harmonizing the body systemically and assiting the

>body

>> to do the the job itself rather than manipulating it.

>>

>> I like your response to the ant analogy<g>

>> The number of cells can become an issue for me because, I have found

time

>> and time again that cancer is not asleep. It is shown that cancer cells

>> reproduce at a faster rate than healthy cells. They have lost their

>> programing (assumed to be sleeping) but I prefer to use the word lost or

>> confused. As a part of their confusion they do not know when they are

>> supposed to die. So in fact you are very correct when you say we need to

>help

>> our body recocnize these cells a desroty them. Then rebuild a healthy

cell

>in

>> its place.

>> The problem then only seems to be, can we do this before the cancer

>consumes

>> us?

>> So the aggressiveness of the cancer comes into play. If we reproduce

these

>> cells all at the same rate , The healthy cells for example reproduce at

>one

>> per sec and the cancer cells reproduce at three per sec then we may be

>> creating the same problem just in larger numbers.( these numbers are not

>> factual)

>> I realy do belive there is great affectivness in immune booster, the

>concern

>> is the timing.

>> I have had some great news , my ct scan on friday showed all is clear.

>This

>> is half the battle as my cancer does not mestasize in the lymph nodes but

>> does show traces of cancer cells. The really assuring test will be the

>bone

>> marrow biopsey. They are going to do this before the holidays so hopfully

>> good news for the holiday and new year. I pray that this year I will be

>> given the best gift of all and remmission will give me the oppurtunity to

>do

>> it right through diet immune boosters and really appreciating life for

>what

>> it is and not what I wished it to be.

>> I am not trying to challenge you, I like to get your response and learn

>from

>> you, and all the others on the list. Also by disscussing these things

>people

>> new to the list can learn and make desisions on their own what they think

>is

>> best for them. The more info the better and the many different points of

>view

>> are welcomed to assist all the different peoples needs.

>> I `ll bet the group you spoke with were very aggressive towards you? I

got

>> the same response. That is how I found this group and I am greatful to

all

>> the people on the list who are helping eachother and are not ao narrow

>minded

>> to dissmiss others needs and beliefs. This truly is a group that is

>> supportive and the people on this list give me courage and education

>support

>> and direction. I am soo apreaciative and wish you all the best in your

>> journey. I am glad to be apart of it.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

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>>

>

>

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I would first try to eliminate the causes of the lung cancer if you can

pinpoint them in this case.

Did he smoke?

Did he work or spend a lot of time around asbestos, or other chemical

pollutants.

Where did your husband do his long training runs for the Marathon? What was

it near?

Does he work or live near an nuclear power plant?

Treatments are many.

At the outset I would like to point out that none of these therapies in and

of themselves should be relied upon, but they are elements of a

comprehensive program. The more natural approach to cancer control will

encompass many changes in lifestyle and attitude toward life and overcoming

disease.

Essiac Tea has a long history of anecdotal reports of success that are very

credible. A number of highly regarded holistic doctors including Dr.n

Whitaker and Dr. Schachter recommend it as one of the many steps

that should be taken to treat a cancer. In 1922 a Canadian nurse

Caisse(ESSIAC spelled backwards) met a woman who gave her this old formula

which contains four herbs: burdock root, slippery elm, sheep's sorrel and

Indian Rhubarb Root.

After Caisse's death in 1988 Brusch,MD, who cured his own cancer and

had previously been a physician to President F. Kennedy, granted the

rights to Caisse's formula to Elaine a long term follower of

Caisse. Since the use, thousands of patients have claimed to have been cured

by it. I can't find anything in the literature testing it. A good book on

this is " Canada's Remarkable Unknown Cancer Remedy " for a copy call

800-446-3063. Essiac Tea can be bought in most health food stores, one of

which is manufactured by Flor- Essence, there may be others.It is reasonably

priced and is worth a try.

Shark Cartilage has been shown in some literature to have anti-cancer

properties.Dr. Simone a physician trained in radiology and

chemotherapy at the Cleveland Clinic and the National Cancer Institute and

now interested in nutritional approaches has evaluated it positively and

used it in his patients. Dr. Lane,PhD, originally proposed the

therapy in his book Sharks Don't get Cancer. The product is sold in most

health food stores. The product I have seen recommended by some doctors is

Benefin if you can't find it call Ocean Health Products

800-477-5108/802-463-1343. This is a little more expensive than Essiac Tea

but not that high when compared to cancer treatments.

Dr Prudden,MD a Harvard trained surgeon has used bovine (cow) cartilage

since the 1950's with success. Prudden,JF The Treatment of human cancer with

agents prepared from Bovine Cartilage.appeare in Journal of Biological

Response Modifiers, 1985;4:551-84.

There have been good reports on use of Green Tea to kill cancer cells. This

was reported at the American Chemical Society meeting in Las Vegas,

September 12,1997 and in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, 1997;

89(24). It was also highlighted in a paper by Fujika,H et al " Cancer

prevention with green tea " at the Proceedings of the Second Annual meeting

of the Korean Association of Cancer Prevention and the Second Annual

Symposium on Cancer Prevention, November 22-23,1997 in Seoul, Korea

In order to be effective you had to consume TEN cups or more daily!

At the same conference Boone,CW et al., " Cancer chemoprevention with

antioxidants derived from foods " showed once again that antioxidants derived

from Foods are effective preventing cancer whereas synthetic antioxidants

appeared to even increase growth of cancer.

Null the nutritionist and health broadcaster in New York City counsels

terminal cancer patients for free, his phone is: 212-343-2990.

HEAL, a support group in New York City that gives help and guidance in

adapting a Raw Foods program to treating all kinds of serious medical

conditions including Cancer and AIDS meets once a week in New York. call

212-873-0780 for more information.

The Coalition for Health ucation, is a smaller group that also

emphasizes raw foods support groups meeting once a week in NYC, their phone

212-722-7901.

With Brain Cancer antineoplaston therapy has been very successful, see

Dr.Burzynski's website www.cancermed.com Dr.Burzynski also is conducting

clinical trials for lung cancer but I am not aware of his results with this

type cancer. He has an active patient group that may know of people with

your type cancer.Their website www.burzynskipatientgroup.org

You can Email Walter at pwalter@... for information

Regardless of the cancer therapies you choose positive attitude about your

eventual triumph over this condition is essential. It is the one

characteristic of ALL survivors. Use of guided visualization is helpful.

Such as imagining your white blood cells surrounding and killing off the

invading cancer cells. Your mind is the control mechanism for the entire

body. It gives commands and your bodies natural defense mechanism does its

job. But you have to command it and expect it to respond as directed.

Whatever other therapy you are using can be adapted. Such as visualizing the

antineoplastons reprogramming the cancer cells to die off or the

chemotherapy killing the cancer cells. You must play a proactive role in

your treatment and feel in command again, it works!

Good luck,

Arnold Gore

Consumers Health Freedom Coalition

Arnold Gore

Consumers Health Freedom Coalition

Re: NHL Vaccine

> My husband was just diagnosed with stage 3 lung cancer adenocarcinoma ,

> unknown primary but Docs are certain it's bronchogenic. It has not spread

> anywhere else for now. It's quite ironic that he just finished his 7th LA

> Marathon last March. We took ballroom dancing lessons 2X a week and went

out

> dancing atleast 2-3X a week. We can no longer participate in any of these.

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> not mean to make this too long. I just wanted you to know I have read

through

> all the discussion you had with moonbeam. I found it very informative and

> hopeful... Just want to let you know you are in my prayers.

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