Re: MMS and Angina

March 13, 2008

DB-

great timing on your post. I just ordered Reams testing kids for

both my wife and son. I think that there is alot to the Reams

approach, but its alot to tackle without help. The lemon is a small

part of the program. I'm really looking forward to the results.

>

> OK, I'm ready to reveal this.

>

> Several weeks ago I began to develop angina. Withing 2-3 weeks it

got to a

> very frightening point, worse than I had ever had before. I got

really

> worried. MMS would aggravate it and for a while I thought was

causing it,

> but I threw that idea out the night that I had an angina attack

while doing

> a soak in magnesium chloride (Transdermal Magnesium Therapy,

hereafter

> abbreviated as TMT). That night became an important clue.

>

> When I first started MMS, I had all kinds of heart problems

because of

> mineral depletion from diarrhea. To recap, I had just gone

throught the very

> hot and stresful summer of '07 without eating any salt on my food

or taking

> any supplemental salt. This was a very stupid thing on my part

considering

> my tendency to perspire and considering my occupation.

>

> Last fall and this winter I had taken up salt again with zeal but

had not

> taken into account that in the winter I was not perspiring at all

and was

> losing no salt that way.

>

> Serendipitously or by divine intervention, whatever you will, I

was about to

> shut down my computer one night when my intuition overpowered my

sleepiness,

> and I finished reading a website with commentary on Carey Reams,

and ran

> across his assertion that salt causes angina, that it is not

caused by

> cholesterol, and that all salt is salt when it comes to angina. It

hit me

> like a brick in the face: Magnesium Chloride is SALT and I had

overloaded

> myself on it and natural sodium chloride salts.

>

> I had a lot of good to happen from using TMT but had already

reached the

> leveling off place. I was still doing a tub soak maybe once a

week. I was

> still spraying magnesium oil on my left hip. I was also spraying

it under my

> arms to wet them in preparation for using " The Rock " deodorant,

which is

> mineral SALTS too.

>

> Overnight, I gave up all forms of salt for a week and undertook

extensive

> ingestion of natural and synthesized vitamin c. The improvement

was very

> rapid. That was about 3 weeks ago and now I'm only eating just a

bit of

> Realsalt on foods that otherwise have no taste. I have not dared

use MMS

> since until I figured this out. I won't use it again until I'm

sure I'm out

> of trouble. It irritates the chest arteries if angina is already

there.

>

> I started heeding Carey Reams advice about fresh lemon juice and

water. I

> found out that it is very much like, but not nearly as strong as

MMS in it's

> ability to knock back infection. Until I did that, the infection

my tooth

> had started to regain a foothold. Lemon juice, according to Reams,

is

> Anionic for thirty minutes after juicing. This makes it work the

same way

> that MMS works, excess electrons. For some of you having trouble

with MMS

> being too rough, this may help you.

>

> For those of you with angina, or any symptoms of burning arteries

when

> taking MMS, google these terms: " Carey Reams " lemons, lemon water,

lemon

> juice, angina, scurvy, " chronic scurvy " and learn much more than I

can type

> here.

>

> When we all first started going down this path, I revealed info

that came to

> me privately that MMS may remove plaque too fast from arteries and

that you

> have better prepare yourself with vitamin c. Jim Humble even says

as much.

> HEAR HEAR!

>

> Daddybob

>

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March 13, 2008

Hi DB

In this posting you seem to be linking excessive perspiration with

inadequate salt (NaCl). Can you comment/explain further? I have had night

perspiration on and off for many years. I try to avoid having too much

bedding and being too warm - this helps.

On the matter of Halogen Displacement (see

http://www.docbrown.info/page03/The_Halogens.htm#Reactions ) we have

chlorine displacing iodine, and btw fluorine will displace bromine, chlorine

and iodine. So TMT with all its sea minerals (not just magnesium) has lots

of chlorides (chlorine) and your iodine can quickly become deficient.

(Sodium chloride will not be in TMT in big amounts for this salt is (most

likely) rinsed out of the solution.) I dab iodine tincture on my skin as I

need to.

Thanks Phil

[ ] MMS and Angina

OK, I'm ready to reveal this.

Several weeks ago I began to develop angina. Withing 2-3 weeks it got to a

very frightening point, worse than I had ever had before. I got really

worried. MMS would aggravate it and for a while I thought was causing it,

but I threw that idea out the night that I had an angina attack while doing

a soak in magnesium chloride (Transdermal Magnesium Therapy, hereafter

abbreviated as TMT). That night became an important clue.

When I first started MMS, I had all kinds of heart problems because of

mineral depletion from diarrhea. To recap, I had just gone throught the very

hot and stresful summer of '07 without eating any salt on my food or taking

any supplemental salt. This was a very stupid thing on my part considering

my tendency to perspire and considering my occupation.

Last fall and this winter I had taken up salt again with zeal but had not

taken into account that in the winter I was not perspiring at all and was

losing no salt that way.

Serendipitously or by divine intervention, whatever you will, I was about to

shut down my computer one night when my intuition overpowered my sleepiness,

and I finished reading a website with commentary on Carey Reams, and ran

across his assertion that salt causes angina, that it is not caused by

cholesterol, and that all salt is salt when it comes to angina. It hit me

like a brick in the face: Magnesium Chloride is SALT and I had overloaded

myself on it and natural sodium chloride salts.

I had a lot of good to happen from using TMT but had already reached the

leveling off place. I was still doing a tub soak maybe once a week. I was

still spraying magnesium oil on my left hip. I was also spraying it under my

arms to wet them in preparation for using " The Rock " deodorant, which is

mineral SALTS too.

Overnight, I gave up all forms of salt for a week and undertook extensive

ingestion of natural and synthesized vitamin c. The improvement was very

rapid. That was about 3 weeks ago and now I'm only eating just a bit of

Realsalt on foods that otherwise have no taste. I have not dared use MMS

since until I figured this out. I won't use it again until I'm sure I'm out

of trouble. It irritates the chest arteries if angina is already there.

I started heeding Carey Reams advice about fresh lemon juice and water. I

found out that it is very much like, but not nearly as strong as MMS in it's

ability to knock back infection. Until I did that, the infection my tooth

had started to regain a foothold. Lemon juice, according to Reams, is

Anionic for thirty minutes after juicing. This makes it work the same way

that MMS works, excess electrons. For some of you having trouble with MMS

being too rough, this may help you.

For those of you with angina, or any symptoms of burning arteries when

taking MMS, google these terms: " Carey Reams " lemons, lemon water, lemon

juice, angina, scurvy, " chronic scurvy " and learn much more than I can type

here.

When we all first started going down this path, I revealed info that came to

me privately that MMS may remove plaque too fast from arteries and that you

have better prepare yourself with vitamin c. Jim Humble even says as much.

HEAR HEAR!

Daddybob

March 14, 2008

wrote: >I just ordered Reams testing kids for

both my wife and son. I think that there is alot to the Reams

approach, but its alot to tackle without help. <

Yes, I hope to get deeper into as time and money permit. Practitioners seem

few and far between since it's not in vogue now. DB

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11:31 AM

March 14, 2008

Helen wrote: >I read somewhere in a health magazine or book, I don't

remember where, that salt tends to displace calcium

and I am wondering if we who are using extra salt

should also take extra calcium. <

Brine/Salt therapy is used for decalcification, yes. And I do think maybe I

have had some decalcification success in the last several months. I'm moving

much freer these days. I'm a calcium magnet and would turn to stone if I

didn't do something about it. DB

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11:31 AM

March 14, 2008

Phil wrote:

>...you seem to be linking excessive perspiration with

inadequate salt (NaCl). Can you comment/explain further?<

I work outside and in the summer I perspire profusely. This past summer I

was experimenting with a low salt intake, which turned out to be a very

stupid thing for me during the summer. I was in a near salt-depleted

condition in September when I first took MMS. I took too much too soon, got

diarrhea, and my heart dang near stopped wanting to beat. I went into

emergency mode for many days looking for the right suubstance and did indeed

find many that helped me greatly, but the real problem was salt depletion.

When I got my salt intake back up, every thing else was fairly minor.

So- I continued forward into the winter taking plenty of salt, which may

never have caused a problem if I hadn't taken up so much Magnesium Chloride.

Like I've said for years, I'm the one who always finds the limits. I just

gots to know;>) My wife got pretty peaved over this one, said she wants to

know what I'm doing so she can tell the coroner, given my propensity for

extremes.

>On the matter of Halogen Displacement...<

I hadn't thought of that but I have taken at least 6 drops a day of

Magnascent for over 6 months now and I eat plenty of seafood, take kelp,

etc. Thanks for reminding me about halogen displacement.

DB

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11:31 AM

March 14, 2008

Sharon wrote:

>I've got a question running around my head about whether this could be the

salt-------or is it something about the chloride?

I also had the extreme chest pain, which led me to drop the MMS like a hot

potato. But I've always been one who seems to need a lot of salt.

I had raised my potassium intake when this occurred and that really helped.

No more chest pain ever again, but some esophageal spasms. More potassium

for those. They stop happening...<

Sharon-

I do think it's the chloride but can't prove it. No med tests in about 5

years now. Reams said that salt substitute was just as bad for it as salt,

but I'm not sure right now if there is a quote that mentioned chloride. Salt

substitute, however, is potassium chloride. I had read that the body really

can use a lot of chloride, but I figure I just totally overdid a good thing

all over again.

Of note is that magnesium taurate powder always relaxed it immediately, so

it's not excess magnesium causing it. As to why mag taurate worked, I assume

it's both the magnesium and the taurine, both being known to be good for the

heart. I have some taurine in caplets but that takes too long during an

attack.

Ditto on the potassium for any previous chest pains, heart palps and

esophogeal spasms, but not this, potassium didn't seem to be an issue with

this. I still try to get most of my potassium from fruit, it just works

better for me.

DB

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11:31 AM

March 14, 2008

Hi DB

Thanks for your comments.

Your use of Magnesium Chloride (I assume this is ex " Magnesium Oil " or

equal) along with some iodine sound good to me. Yesterday I Googled

" biominerals by fcm driessens " and looked at the " Biominerals - Google Books

Resultby F. C. M. Driessens - 1990 - Medical

Driessens, FCM, Probable phase composition of the mineral in bone, ...

Driessens, FCM, Formation and stability of calcium phosphates in relation to

the ...

books.google.co.nz/books?isbn=0849352800... "

This hit allows you to read most of the (expensive) book. Scroll to page 389

for mention of the impact of low magnesium and the effects of that on

calcium. There are several pages that I found extremely interesting on this

topic. I now consider that low magnesium may have been harming us in

numerous (very serious) ways, by causing calcium deposits.

I too have plenty of (natural) salt (because we must have enough sodium and

chlorine for HCl stomach acid) , plus magnesium (chloride), and iodine as

required.

We should also note that even the use of MMS (Sodium chlorite) adds some

chlorine to one's daily intake, in case this might also effect our iodine

level.

Phil

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.... " I work outside and in the summer I perspire profusely. This past summer

I