Re: Possible dental abscess; probiotic question

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Hi Judith

Magnesium is a tranquilizer, a laxative, what makes your bones strong, vital

for proper cell functioning, and heaps more. How you consume magnesium is

critical. Mg oxide by mouth goes 96 % to be a laxative and 4 % into tissues

(to get into the tissues it must be made soluble (ie converted to Mg

chloride). The stomach dissolves it if taken with a meal including proteins.

Applied transdermally (on the skin) magnesium chloride is absorbed and

transported to all cells. I cannot comment on other forms of Mg

supplementation.

Magnesium Oil is marketed on the internet - it can be extracted from sea

water and has most if not all sea minerals with NaOH to make chlorides into

hydroxides that settle out; after sevceral rinses witer water to wash out

the salt the settled slurry (+ very little water) is dissolved back to

chlorides with HCl and left at near 7 pH. Finally it is hydrated to

concentrate it. I expect all Mg Oil is done this way - but their source

material may vary ( eg be from very old deposits) - : this is how I make it

for my own use.

Caution - applying large amounts to the skin leads to the body receiving

large (relatively) amounts of chlorides - these cause some iodine to be

displaced (halogens behave this way) so it may be necessary to have an extra

iodine intake. I use an iodine tincture by dabbing tiny amounts onto my

skin - I find drops to be too big - every so often. Yes it is a bother but

we need to have enough of both of these elements.

It may be something you should try.

Phil

From: " Judith " <howdeeeyall@...>

: [ ] Possible dental abscess; probiotic question

I have TMJ issues and clench my teeth at night. A few years ago, I

lost a molar that cracked under the strain. Now a few teeth on the

other side feel as if they are cracking. I should find a dentist to

give me a bite protector device or night guard, but I have had such bad

experiences with dentists that I've put it off. Now I probably have no

choice.

Today the pain is minimal, but I just discovered my gum is swollen

below one of these teeth--probably an abscess. I know the dentist will

give me antibiotics and I don't want to take them. Does anyone know if

MMS is effective for dental infections/abscess? If so, do you know the

right dosage? I probably have Lyme too, so I might have to start very

slow.

Is anyone taking probiotics during MMS treatment? Does MMS disturb the

friendly flora at all?

Thanks.

Judith

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Judith,

I have had big-time reactions in the jaw/mouth/teeth areas. I'm convinced it's lyme related - critter colonies happily hanging out in low blood circulation areas. Salt/vitC had helped soften muscles and allow more flexibility in the neck/jaw area, but after I started mms I got swelling and terrible pain in gums/teeth/jaw. It has recently mellowed out, and I sure hope it doesn't start again. I did not go to the dentist. I figured mms would be my antibiotic and just toughed it out. I definitely think jaw and teeth problems can be lyme related and when the critters clear out the rest will hopefully right itself. Then it will be time for me to go to the dentist for cosmetic reasons, which is what I think they're mostly good for anyway.

Naomi

ps

Re probiotics: Always a good idea. I try to get them with fermented foods. Although the word is that mms doesn't kill the good beasties

Re dosage; I had been up to 15 drops 2x a day but had backed down to 6 drops a day by the time the big-time mouth reaction started. I don't think there's any way to standardize dosage. Especially with lyme.

[ ] Possible dental abscess; probiotic question

I have TMJ issues and clench my teeth at night. A few years ago, I lost a molar that cracked under the strain. Now a few teeth on the other side feel as if they are cracking. I should find a dentist to give me a bite protector device or night guard, but I have had such bad experiences with dentists that I've put it off. Now I probably have no choice.Today the pain is minimal, but I just discovered my gum is swollen below one of these teeth--probably an abscess. I know the dentist will give me antibiotics and I don't want to take them. Does anyone know if MMS is effective for dental infections/abscess? If so, do you know the right dosage? I probably have Lyme too, so I might have to start very slow.Is anyone taking probiotics during MMS treatment? Does MMS disturb the friendly flora at all?Thanks.Judith

[Guest guest]

you can buy a tooth protector at a sporting goods store. they're cheap.

will do the job till you can get a more comfy one made to sleep with.

i keep one within reach in my car in case of altercations.

> [ ] Possible dental abscess; probiotic

> question

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> I have TMJ issues and clench my teeth at night. A few years ago, I

> lost a molar that cracked under the strain. Now a few teeth on the

> other side feel as if they are cracking. I should find a dentist to

> give me a bite protector device or night guard, but I have had such bad

> experiences with dentists that I've put it off. Now I probably have no

> choice.

>

> Today the pain is minimal, but I just discovered my gum is swollen

> below one of these teeth--probably an abscess. I know the dentist will

> give me antibiotics and I don't want to take them. Does anyone know if

> MMS is effective for dental infections/abscess? If so, do you know the

> right dosage? I probably have Lyme too, so I might have to start very

> slow.

>

> Is anyone taking probiotics during MMS treatment? Does MMS disturb the

> friendly flora at all?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Judith

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I tried a sports tooth protector, but it made me clench more and it

smelled like toxic plasticizers. I had to stop using it.

Also tried a much nicer looking one from Gaiam that only fits between

the molars. It made me clench a whole lot more. ( And also

smelled like leaching plasticizers.

A dentist told me a few years ago that most of those one-size-fits-

all types don't work for TMJ problems. Apparently, the protector has

to be made to create the right jaw angle and alignment to reduce the

tension in the muscles. Which means expensive.

Thanks anyway!

Judith

>

> you can buy a tooth protector at a sporting goods store. they're

cheap.

> will do the job till you can get a more comfy one made to sleep

with.

> i keep one within reach in my car in case of altercations.

>

> > [ ] Possible dental abscess;

probiotic

> > question

> >

> >

> > I have TMJ issues and clench my teeth at night. A few years ago,

I

> > lost a molar that cracked under the strain. Now a few teeth on

the

> > other side feel as if they are cracking. I should find a dentist

to

> > give me a bite protector device or night guard, but I have had

such bad

> > experiences with dentists that I've put it off. Now I probably

have no

> > choice.

> >

> > Today the pain is minimal, but I just discovered my gum is swollen

> > below one of these teeth--probably an abscess. I know the

dentist will

> > give me antibiotics and I don't want to take them. Does anyone

know if

> > MMS is effective for dental infections/abscess? If so, do you

know the

> > right dosage? I probably have Lyme too, so I might have to start

very

> > slow.

> >

> > Is anyone taking probiotics during MMS treatment? Does MMS

disturb the

> > friendly flora at all?

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Judith

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I had an NTI nightguard; not sure if it's the same thing. I went to

that site but didn't see a clear picture of the device you have. It's

only between the front teeth? Mine was.

It was very expensive--can't remember but much more than $400 US. I

remember thinking it was overpriced.

It made my clenching worse! Much worse. I would wake up in the middle

of the night with my teeth clacking like a windup false tooth toy; I

had never experienced that before. It gave me nightmares and I had to

stop using it. The next dentist told me that they cause problems for

many people and he never uses them any more.

That dentist said I need a protector that covers all the teeth, and it

has to create just the right alignment for the jaw joint to relax. I

think I'll have to go ahead and do that. I feel like avoiding all

dentists forever so have put it off.

Thanks for the info; if your device is different from what I used, let

me know.

Judith

" I tried a sports tooth protector,

> but it made me clench more and it smelled like toxic plasticizers. I

> had to stop using it. "

>

> I use and NTIS which might suit you: http://www.nti-tss.com/help.html

> I had a rotten dentist. I wasn't at all convinced she knew what she

> was doing plus she argued with me about appointment times and thus

> didn't do the final fit but it is still better than those I bought at

> the local sports shop. When I get another, I'll go to a new

> dentist. You will probably need to search for someone who makes

> these systems. Mine cost $AUD400 but the price has probably risen

since then.

>

> Best wishes..........LD

>

[Guest guest]

The quickest way to treat a dental abcess is to take a tiny sip of

vodka and hold it in your mouth with your tongue so the vodka is on

the abcess. Do this fro as long as you can - then spit the vodka out.

If the abcess is ready it will open. If it is not - repeat the sip

of vodka again. You will know when the abcess breaks becasue the pain

stops suddenly.

Do two swishes - if it doesn't work then - try again in about 4 hours.

A friend came in agony with an abcess - she swished the vodka and held

it on the abcess and then spat it out. A second swish and the pain

was gone. All she had to do then was rinse and spit until her mouth

felt clean.

I have the smallest size bottle of vodka in my emergency repertoire.

Regards,

Judith

> > > MMS is effective for dental infections/abscess?

[Guest guest]

Hey ! No kidding!!! LOL. I will go to a new one next time--

the one who doesn't like the NTI nightguard. And a craniosacral

practitioner here knows a dentist an hour away who has really helped

a lot of people's TMJ stuff. I might talk to some of those patients

and then check him out. As Naomi points out, it might not help much

till the Lyme & Co. are gone.

It's funny--many of my symptoms have improved over the 22 months of

low-dose salt/c, and some symptoms are pretty much gone, especially

stiffness in the major joints, but the TMJ has gotten worse. I think

one factor might be ergonomics causing stress in that area. Gotta

adjust my computer posture. Also, the pathogens must like to hide

out in the jaw joint and I guess it might be a more protected area

for them than most.

Naomi, thank you for sharing your wisdom and experiences. My

intuition has told me the same thing--get the pathogens cleared out

and things will improve a lot. A not-so-good dentist told me that

she cured a patient's TMJ problems with antibiotics, but since my

condition is long-standing I don't think that would work for me.

Now it seems this is not an abscess--it has not been more painful and

has not progressed. Just tenderness from clenching and probably some

small cracks in the teeth. Using clay in my mouth has helped the

teeth feel better, and I'm putting magnesium gel on the skin a few

times a day. It's in a holding pattern, which is not too bad. I

hope DMSO and MSM will help relax the muscles.

Judith

>

> I had long term and expensive TMJ treatment by a dentist

specializing in same, but am not convinced that it was worthwhile.

My jaw didn't start to loosen up until long into my lyme treatment

with s/c and now more with mms.

> Naomi

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> you need to find a new dds.

> roger

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