Re: Lyme Disease article using herbs

[Guest guest]

Helen, this is my first post here.

Thanks for the article. But this one brings nothing really new, it's

just the same 'old' herbs being 'revisited'.

And in my humble opinion, whole herbs are MUCH superior than most of

preparations based on herbs. I totally disagree that alcohol

tinctures are best (except for some plants) or that preparations will

work better.

First, whole herbs are safer; second, cheaper; third without

additives that can (and often cause) allergic/ sensitivity reactions

to lyme sufferers. Alcohol can cause bad reactions to many lyme

sufferers. Even artemisinin, the only herbal preparation I took,

didn't do the job of elliminating babesia completely. And besides,

herxes were horrible.

I would never forget Buhner's herbs too, the 'magical' combination of

andrographis (for the ones that can accept it), cats claw, stephania,

smilax, Japanese knotweed and astragalus.

Another caution: with coptis, an extremely strong herb, never to be

taken without extreme care in the minimum amounts possible.

I had chronic lyme, had been reinfected about a year ago, and battled

this disease mostly with herbs (to 98% or so). I had loads of co-

infections, they're all gone (or in remission, who knows?).

I was in full remission for the last months, but got an EM rash

recently. Little sleep and super active during the day for the last

months, I guess this brought lyme back? I'm again battling it with

herbs, but I got again symptomless.

Smilax was the herb I used/use less, because my body doesn't react

well with it (at least, not in the last 1.5 years). That's the herb

this author mostly recommend! We're all different!

I have ALL herbs that are mentioned below in this article and the

only one I havent' tried/ havent' got at home is asploidis. I'm going

to take a look at it.

Phellodendron was one of my favorites during acute infection and

another magic one were gardenia fruits, not mentioned in the article.

The secret was the right combination, the right schedule, and

continuous change of amounts/ herbs. Herbs are very difficult to use

for lyme and coinfections, especially for the people with brain fog.

The schedule is crazy, it's a 100% time job. And nothing works

without thorough cleansing, not at least with lyme, babesia and

fungi! In my experience.

I'm now looking for a solution for my pre-lyme skin fungi, that's why

I came to this list. I wonder if I'll start with MMS one day, but I'm

still scared as I'm very sensitive to even herbs.

Selma

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> From an article about Treating Lyme Disease with herbs ...by Luke

Terry

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> This complicated clinical picture requires the deft use of herbs.

The patient experiences both strong excesses (the pathogen), and

potentially deep immune system deficiencies. Thus the treatment may

be best approached with custom-blended medicinals. However, due to

reasons of cost and convenience, commercially available, pre-prepared

herbal supplements, or " patent " preparations may supplement or

substitute for custom-blended powdered or raw herb formulas.

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> To begin with, a list of herbs that have been found to be medically

effective against various spirochetes including borrelia bergdorferi

is as follows: Coptis (huang lian), Scute (huang qin), Phellodendron

(huang bai), Forsythia (lian qiao), Isatis root (ban lan gen), Isatis

leaf (da qing ye), Andrographis (chuan xin lian), Smilax Glabra(tu fu

ling), Asploidis (zhi zi), and Artemesia Annua (qing hao). Of these

herbals, all are strong heat-clearing herbs with well-demonstrated

antibacterial qualities. Chief among this group is artemesia annua

(qing hao), showing an incredible effectiveness against malaria,

another insect-born, though very different pathogen. In particular,

an active ingredient called arteanuin is used alone as a western

treatment for malaria. Many malaria experts believe this " drug "

combats malaria more effectively than any man-made drug currently

available.

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> This herb is readily available as a concentrated patent formula

(Health Concerns, Artestatin). Others such as Forsythia (lian qiao),

Isatis roots & leaves (ban lan gen & da qing ye), and Andrographis

(chuan xin lian), are well-demonstrated against leptospirosis, and

are readily available in balanced patent formulas. Of all of the

above listed herbs, the best single herb is probably tu fu ling. This

herb, Smilax Glabra, is perhaps the most gentle, most neutral and

least damaging to the body. The " atmospheric qualities " of Smilax

Glabra, or the way that the herb affects the body's condition

globally, are categorized as sweet and neutral, meaning it is both

gentle and nourishing. Smilax has shown to be profoundly effective

against both leptospirosis (in large clinical trials) and against LD

(by clinical experience). Unfortunately, there are few if any

commercial preparations of Smilax Glabra, despite its profound

effectiveness and mild nature. It appears that Smilax Glabra is

> underappreciated as a medicinal agent.

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> In the realm of patents, for acute phase, massive doses of Yin Qiao

San are appropriate, as it contains Forsythia (lian qiao), and its

usage fits the initial pattern of disease. Far East Summit's alcohol

preparation would be an excellent choice, as the alcohol would drive

the medicine into the channels and tissues. In addition, Artestatin

from Health Concerns presents itself as a very effective medicinal

agent, as its concentration and aromatic preservation are excellent.

It also contains Coptis (huang lian,) and a number of balancing

herbs, too long to be listed here, to balance the cold, draining

qualities of Artemeseia (qing hao) and Coptis (huang lian).

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> In the early stage, this may be enough to arrest the development of

the LD pathogen and cure the disease. If symptoms are still

developing, another more tonifying formula, one which still contains

a strong complement of the heat-clearing antispirochetal herbs, would

likely result in much better clinical outcomes. Specifically, Astra

Isatis from Health Concerns contains plenty of tonics for qi, blood,

yin, and yang, in addition to its chief herbs, Isatis (ban lan gen

and da qing ye). This formulation derives its punch from using the

roots and leaves of the Isatis plant.

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> A compelling body of evidence exists demonstrating the significant

potential of tu fu ling, or smilax glabra, also known as sarsparilla,

in treating spirochetal diseases. It is the author's hope that

manufacturers of quality Oriental herbal products will notice this

market opportunity, and create a product to serve the many patients

suffering from Lyme disease and its coinfections.

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> End of article

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> To see the full article, go to

http://www.naturalnews.com/022820.html

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[Guest guest]

Helen, from my experience, many (if not most) lyme sufferers are

sensitive or become sensitive with the years. Allergies and chemical

senstivities, the way people herx and have to stop stronger medicines/

plants/ chemicals is a sign of how common this is, in my opinion.

Buhner, an experienced herbalist, suggests whole herbs whenever

possible, because they're easier for our bodies to accept. Millions of

chemicals help balance themselves and we get less (or no) side effects

many times. Not only for lyme sufferers, but for any healthy condition,

that's what HE suggests clearly.

He's so far one of the few professionals that I respect, and one of the

reason is that he's got absolutely no interest in selling things he

proposes.

So it's not only 'me' suggesting whole herbs only!

I'm a bit skeptic about the patenting of chemical components of plants/

herbs, in 'general'.

I tried literally HUNDREDS of different herbs and preparations to get

rid of lyme and co-infections in the last 3 years. I usually vote

for 'whole herb'! Speaking for myself, of course!

Selma

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> Thank you for your comments, Selma. A lot of what you

> have to say may be worth considering when using these

> or other herbs but we also need to keep in mind that you

> are sensitive to them and others may not be. I like the

> way the people in this group are willing to experiment so

> we might hear more on this subject.

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> Helen

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[Guest guest]

, you're right, herbs work well only in combination (at least

for lyme and coinfections).

I used many of the biopure tinctures too.

Andrographis tincture work MUCH less well than pure herb (I used both

for me and daughter),even if they work a bit, I agree.

Andrographolides (the main killer chemical in andrographis) are not

very well alcohol-soluble.

Samento tincture, it helped my daughter better than whole herb and

whole herb tincture. But for me, whole herb tincture (homemade) and

whole herb worked MUCH better and for much longer. For a fraction of

the price!

Japanese knotweed tincture, not a good idea according to Buhner. I

did decoctions and took the powder. Worked WONDERFUL for brain

inflamation and bartonella.

PC-Noni tincture: worked like magic for babesia cysts once, but

didn't do the trick the second time I caught babesia.

I can't remember other tinctures.

For me, the relation price-effectiveness usually DON'T stand (to use

products like these ones in comparison to whole herbs). Even if

Biopure has very high quality products, I agree.

Only the garlic preparation Biopure sells, the frozen garlic pills,

these are certainly the MOST potent garlic preparations I ever tried

(and I tried quite a lot, I swear). These are amazing, work very well

for acute phase of infection/ or when the infection load is too high.

Glad to know that MMS work AS well in your opinion!!!

I never took MMS because the herbs did the job for lyme/

coinfections. But so far, I didn't have success with herbs and fungi,

that's why I'm here!

Do you feel there are more side effects with MMS than with Biopure

tinctures? Or more or less the same?

Thanks.

Selma

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> Just from my personal experience with the Buhner Herbs: My

daughter and I

> used the tinctures sold on www.biopureus.Com because of the ease of

use for

> several months. They worked great for us while we used them. We

only

> stopped using them because of the expense (although this is not as

much an

> issue with whole herbs sold in bulk) and the fact that MMS and

salt/c are

> easier to use than the herbs.

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