Re: Transdermal Magnesium

[Guest guest]

I've done epsom baths to help with detox and muscle pain and thought I

could absorb the extra mg if i needed it. I also understood this was a

good way to get magnesium... might be as good or better then

transdermal mg creme since you are utilizing you entire body.

-- In , " susan " <ssiegel5@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I was just wondering if anyone has tried transdermal mineral oil? Read

> about it on plane thrive site

> And seems to be a good way to get extra magnesium. I have ordered

some, but

> would like to know if anyone

> Has any experience with this and how they use it.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Whoops accidently 'sent' before I finished post!

14)ALA- I know its a chelator but I am MUCH BETTER on it than off it!)

15)Sodium Alginate-to bind Mercury & stop redistribution.

16)L-Tryptophan

17)I use Coconut Oil to cook in & have seen some improvement in my

Cholesterol levels (went up but still TOO LOW).

18)I take Alkala N (Sodium & Potassium Bicarbonate)for Salt supping

(avoid Sea salt due to Mercury concerns) but much less than before

Florinef)

19) Vit A (my levels were a bit low)

I don't take Vit C as I've never been able to tolerate that either.

Possibly the Hemochromatosis was the reason.The Doc & I weren't aware

I had it at the time.

My Ferritin is usually high but has been brought DOWN to recommended

levels (for Memochromatosis)now.

I also have Secondary Hyperparathyroidism & my PTH (Parathyroid

Hormone) levels were elevated. This is still to come down - hopefully

will test within range at next test now Vit D levels now approaching

optimal.

The Florinef & Alkala has had a beneficial effect on my elevated BP

however I still have BP drop when standing & pupils won't stay

contracted. So possibly Adrenals NOT optimised as yet. Probably more

due to Electrolyte imbalances (Potassium/Sodium) than low Cortisol I

think.

Temps- my Basals are a bit low but day times temps are high normal or

a bit elevated. However this was the case prior to HC/Pred.Daytime

averages still fluctuate too much.

Current issues

1)No or little energy sleep 12 -15 hours a day (last couple of days a

bit better)

2)25 kilos over weight - 6 of which is mainly water weight gained

since starting HC/Pred

3)Brain Fog

4)Lack of motivation

5)Little or no Libido

6)Mostly flat emotionally

So I would appreciate any insights you can offer especially regarding

Transdermal Mag Oil. I am interested too in their claims that it can

increase DHEA which (is buried in the other info on Mag for Life

website). Can't find anything else on that though. Should I try

emailing them to see if they can give any refs for that? I see that

in the past & Mark have posted here so maybe they will see

this post too?

[Guest guest]

Should you want to look up any of my posts on RTH I post under the

name Lethal Lee.

I have several Members Logs which fleshes out my History, Meds & lab

Results too. They are.......

Labs Part One

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=2468

Labs Part Two

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=4645

Meds & Supps

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=2418

Personal/Family/Medical History & Background

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=2419

Temp & BP's, Pupil Response, Cardiology, Hair Analysis

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=2417

And these are my Twin Sons details if you are curious....

Lethal Chaos (Twin One) Labs & History

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=2496

Lethal Destruction (Twin Two) Labs & History

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=2495

Thank you for reading this novelette I would be grateful

for any advice/feedback etc that yourself or any other kind soul can

offer.

Lethal Lee

from 'Downunder' (Perth, Western Australia)

[Guest guest]

I'm not , but was curious what your diet consists of?

Linn

>

> Whoops accidently 'sent' before I finished post!

>

> 14)ALA- I know its a chelator but I am MUCH BETTER on it than off it!)

> 15)Sodium Alginate-to bind Mercury & stop redistribution.

> 16)L-Tryptophan

> 17)I use Coconut Oil to cook in & have seen some improvement in my

> Cholesterol levels (went up but still TOO LOW).

> 18)I take Alkala N (Sodium & Potassium Bicarbonate)for Salt supping

> (avoid Sea salt due to Mercury concerns) but much less than before

> Florinef)

> 19) Vit A (my levels were a bit low)

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm not , but was curious what your diet consists of?

>

> Linn

Howdy Linn,

Well I'm Lactose Intolerant so have Lactose free Milk & Yoghurt

(plain or Vanilla).

Have a weak Wheat Allergy (negative for Coeliac) so greatly reduced

my bread (have 3-4 times a week)and changed from white to wholemeal

Cereals- only have Oats no other cereals.

Need lots of Protein so have steak, Chicken, eggs (free range),

cheese, occassional roasts & Silverside.

Nuts- for snacks either unsalted almonds or cashews

AVOID all seafood of any kind (extreme Mercury Allergy)

Use Coconut Oil for all cooking & use organic butter.

Fruit - Grapes, Nectarines, Bananas, Peaches, Pineapple, Apples.

Eating 2-3 serves pretty regularly.

Veges - lots of Potatoes & Onions,Avocados, Carrots, Olives,

Capsicum, Gourmet Lettuces.Don't eat as much as I should though &

trying to improve this especially Salads.

Beverages- Tea none, Coffee 2-3 a week at most, no Cool Drinks except

occassional Ginger Beers, alcohol maybe one drink a month

Water- currently looking at Reverse Osmosis to filter local

Fluoridated & Chlorinated drinking water.

Ocassionally do have takeaways, have a bit of weakness for Chocolate

(usually have Dark Chocolate), like dry biscuits.

No Soy, no Pasta,no added sugar, no Salt (except Alkala),cakes

rarely, lollies never.

Truth is usually have little appetite but have to have Protein every

2-3 hours or 'air hunger' symptoms return. My diet over the past 8

years of bad health has changed A LOT for the better. Certainly still

room for improvement especially Fruit & Veggies.I actually don't eat

enough according to my Doc but I find can only eat a little & then

feel full. So eat small frequent meals.

Why do you ask about diet?

Lethal Lee

[Guest guest]

Yes I do take the Mg Oil daily. Most days twice a day - sprayed all over my

body. I itched and burned for about a week and 1/2 but stuck it out and it

went away. Now I love it. My body feels so relaxed. I suffered from TMJ

and tension in my shoulders and no longer have as much problem when using

the Mg oil.

I too just found out that I have the MTHFR gene mutation. This requires

that you use the activated form of the Folate the

5-methylenetetrahydrofolate form. I just started (again) taking Metagenics

ActiFolate until my Dr gets his new product back from the formulary. He is

compounding a bunch of items in the methylated forms to plug in where the

cycles get jammed up. I just received the book Genetic Bypass and will be

reading that to determine how to nutritionally support this mutation. As I

read your e-mail I was thinking that it sounded like you had this and

whala - you did.

What would you like to know from me? Has anyone checked your iron /

ferritin levels? You will have issues increasing your thyroid meds if this

is not in line. Methylated forms of B12 have worked better for me. I do

injections. Low B12 will also cause issues for your increase thyroid meds.

Let me know what I can answer. My blog is a bit behind as I have been busy

with this group, school and lately speaking " engagements " .

Transdermal Magnesium

> Howdy ,

>

> This is my first post. I am a member of RTH Forum and asked there

> whether anyone has tried this product. DeborahSu the General Thyroid

> moderator advised me that you used the product & to direct my queries

> here.

>

> The reason I was interested in it is that I have never been able to

> tolerate Magnesium in ANY form.

>

> I have read your Blog & searched & read the threads on this Forum

> regarding Mag Oil. I have also read Mag for Life info & IMVS articles

> etc.

>

> I am in Australia & discovered there is an Australian Distributor &

> ordered Mark Sircus' book & the 8oz size of tha Ancient Minerals Mag

> Oil to trial. I'm waiting on delivery of both.

>

> I am Hypopit with Secondary AI & Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (Ab's are

> low at the moment) & also have high Reverse T3. I am 50yo woman &

> have only had one period in the last 10 months (Feb'08). I also have

> 9 Amalgams, Mercury Toxicity & an extreme allergy to Methylmercury

> according to MELISA Metal Allergy Testing.I have Hemochromatosis & am

> allergic to Sulponamides, sensitive to Sulphites. Gallbladder removed

> 8 years ago. Kidney Stones passed 12 months ago.Have always had LOW

> Cholesterol. My health immediately deteriorated after Gallbladder

> Surgery.

>

> I have Twin 16yo sons who both have Hashimotos (Abs elevated, high

> Reverse T3, been on ADD meds since 5yo, history of Migraines since

> age 4. Some evidence of early Adrenal Fatigue & possible Hypopit for

> both (testing not quite complete). So could well be genetic component?

>

> I find the info on Iodine very interesting but until I get my

> Amalgams out I don't think it is an option for me as it

> chelates/detoxes Mercury. I do want to have them removed but put that

> on hold until I fully support Adrenals & Thyroid.

>

> Currently I am on 7.5mg Prednisolone (30mg equiv HC) spread over 4

> doses. HC didn't work for me (metabolised too quickly). Medrol is not

> available in Australia. I do have HC on hand for stress dosing.Been

> stable on this dose for 6 weeks now. Had to add in Florinef one month

> ago due to low Aldosterone. Now take 1 tab in am & 1/2 tab in evening.

>

> I also am on NTH (Aussie Armour equiv)2 1/2 grains in total.Still

> working on optimising that. Today is the first day I have opened the

> capsules & taken it sublingually - tasted horrid!!! I did this so I

> could split my NTH dose over the day as the recent increase has for

> the first time stressed my Adrenals. Hoping splitting will be easier

> for Adrenals & spread the T3 over a longer period.

>

> I also take a number of other supps all 'prescribed' & under Doc's

> supervision. Including

> 1)B12 (cyano but have ordered Sublingual Methyl)

> 2)Folate (was Folic Acid about to start Folinic)have MTHFR Gene

> Mutation.

> 3)Potassium (had to up it after Florinef depleted it)

> 4)HRT -DHEA, Porogesterone & Estrogen all Creams (HC & Pred really

> messed up Androgens went down had FAI of zero)

> 5)Chromium Picolinate (has reduced my elevated Insulin)

> 6) Milk Thistle (for Liver)

> 7) Garlic & Olive Leaf Extract (for recurrent Fungal, viral &

> bacterial infection control)

> 8) Vit E

> 9) CoEnzyme Q10

> 10)Probiotics (for intestinal health)

> 11)Evening Primrose Oil(about to stop this & start on Noric Naturals

> DHA/EPA)

> 12)Vit D3 (had severe deficiency now almost at optimal)

> 13) Dexamphetamine (for ADD now almost off this down to 2 tabs was on

> 8 originally)

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Dr. Nusbaum gave me Mg oil to use daily. It thankfully doesn't itch

or burn at all, but I hate the feeling! It makes me feel dry and

filthy. Do you rinse yours off after 30 min. or not have this

problem with the oil? I don't always feel well enough to get up and

rinse it off. How many mg. do you think a person gets from 100

sprays rubbed into the skin? Do you think if I used the foot soak

method and took some orally (I have some Vitamin Shoppe brand 200mg

Mg Citrate)everyday it would be sufficient Mg treatment? If so how

much orally and how much in the water?

Thanks!

>

> Yes I do take the Mg Oil daily. Most days twice a day - sprayed

all over my

> body. I itched and burned for about a week and 1/2 but stuck it

out and it

> went away. Now I love it. My body feels so relaxed. I suffered

from TMJ

> and tension in my shoulders and no longer have as much problem when

using

> the Mg oil.

>

> I too just found out that I have the MTHFR gene mutation. This

requires

> that you use the activated form of the Folate the

> 5-methylenetetrahydrofolate form. I just started (again) taking

Metagenics

> ActiFolate until my Dr gets his new product back from the

formulary. He is

> compounding a bunch of items in the methylated forms to plug in

where the

> cycles get jammed up. I just received the book Genetic Bypass and

will be

> reading that to determine how to nutritionally support this

mutation. As I

> read your e-mail I was thinking that it sounded like you had this

and

> whala - you did.

>

> What would you like to know from me? Has anyone checked your

iron /

> ferritin levels? You will have issues increasing your thyroid meds

if this

> is not in line. Methylated forms of B12 have worked better for

me. I do

> injections. Low B12 will also cause issues for your increase

thyroid meds.

>

> Let me know what I can answer. My blog is a bit behind as I have

been busy

> with this group, school and lately speaking " engagements " .

>

>

> Transdermal Magnesium

>

>

> > Howdy ,

> >

> > This is my first post. I am a member of RTH Forum and asked there

> > whether anyone has tried this product. DeborahSu the General

Thyroid

> > moderator advised me that you used the product & to direct my

queries

> > here.

> >

> > The reason I was interested in it is that I have never been able

to

> > tolerate Magnesium in ANY form.

> >

> > I have read your Blog & searched & read the threads on this Forum

> > regarding Mag Oil. I have also read Mag for Life info & IMVS

articles

> > etc.

> >

> > I am in Australia & discovered there is an Australian Distributor

&

> > ordered Mark Sircus' book & the 8oz size of tha Ancient Minerals

Mag

> > Oil to trial. I'm waiting on delivery of both.

> >

> > I am Hypopit with Secondary AI & Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (Ab's are

> > low at the moment) & also have high Reverse T3. I am 50yo woman &

> > have only had one period in the last 10 months (Feb'08). I also

have

> > 9 Amalgams, Mercury Toxicity & an extreme allergy to Methylmercury

> > according to MELISA Metal Allergy Testing.I have Hemochromatosis

& am

> > allergic to Sulponamides, sensitive to Sulphites. Gallbladder

removed

> > 8 years ago. Kidney Stones passed 12 months ago.Have always had

LOW

> > Cholesterol. My health immediately deteriorated after Gallbladder

> > Surgery.

> >

> > I have Twin 16yo sons who both have Hashimotos (Abs elevated, high

> > Reverse T3, been on ADD meds since 5yo, history of Migraines since

> > age 4. Some evidence of early Adrenal Fatigue & possible Hypopit

for

> > both (testing not quite complete). So could well be genetic

component?

> >

> > I find the info on Iodine very interesting but until I get my

> > Amalgams out I don't think it is an option for me as it

> > chelates/detoxes Mercury. I do want to have them removed but put

that

> > on hold until I fully support Adrenals & Thyroid.

> >

> > Currently I am on 7.5mg Prednisolone (30mg equiv HC) spread over 4

> > doses. HC didn't work for me (metabolised too quickly). Medrol is

not

> > available in Australia. I do have HC on hand for stress

dosing.Been

> > stable on this dose for 6 weeks now. Had to add in Florinef one

month

> > ago due to low Aldosterone. Now take 1 tab in am & 1/2 tab in

evening.

> >

> > I also am on NTH (Aussie Armour equiv)2 1/2 grains in total.Still

> > working on optimising that. Today is the first day I have opened

the

> > capsules & taken it sublingually - tasted horrid!!! I did this so

I

> > could split my NTH dose over the day as the recent increase has

for

> > the first time stressed my Adrenals. Hoping splitting will be

easier

> > for Adrenals & spread the T3 over a longer period.

> >

> > I also take a number of other supps all 'prescribed' & under Doc's

> > supervision. Including

> > 1)B12 (cyano but have ordered Sublingual Methyl)

> > 2)Folate (was Folic Acid about to start Folinic)have MTHFR Gene

> > Mutation.

> > 3)Potassium (had to up it after Florinef depleted it)

> > 4)HRT -DHEA, Porogesterone & Estrogen all Creams (HC & Pred really

> > messed up Androgens went down had FAI of zero)

> > 5)Chromium Picolinate (has reduced my elevated Insulin)

> > 6) Milk Thistle (for Liver)

> > 7) Garlic & Olive Leaf Extract (for recurrent Fungal, viral &

> > bacterial infection control)

> > 8) Vit E

> > 9) CoEnzyme Q10

> > 10)Probiotics (for intestinal health)

> > 11)Evening Primrose Oil(about to stop this & start on Noric

Naturals

> > DHA/EPA)

> > 12)Vit D3 (had severe deficiency now almost at optimal)

> > 13) Dexamphetamine (for ADD now almost off this down to 2 tabs

was on

> > 8 originally)

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Re: Transdermal Magnesium

> Hi ,

> Dr. Nusbaum gave me Mg oil to use daily. It thankfully doesn't itch

> or burn at all, but I hate the feeling! It makes me feel dry and

> filthy. Do you rinse yours off after 30 min. or not have this

> problem with the oil?

<<SB>>> I leave mine on. It doesn't bother me or make me feel dry.

I don't always feel well enough to get up and rinse it off. How many mg.

do you think a person gets from 100

> sprays rubbed into the skin?

<<SB>> Each spray is 18 mgs.

Do you think if I used the foot soak method and took some orally (I have

some Vitamin Shoppe brand 200mg

> Mg Citrate)everyday it would be sufficient Mg treatment?

<<SB>> It depends on how well your gut works and how much you put in the

foot soak. I don't know.

If so how much orally and how much in the water?

<<SB>> I don't know. I was doing about 600 mgs of Mg when I took it orally

and it barely stayed above the bottom of the range. I have read it is

difficult to get a good read on how much is in your body becuase it is

intracellular and once it is below the range in a lab you are in deep

trouble.

[Guest guest]

I was diagnosed with TMJ,Whiplash & ADD following my Car accident in

1988. Then after my Gallbladder Surgery in 2000 DX'ed with CFS &

Fibromyalgia. I have had regular Chiropractic & Remedial Therapy for

some years and still have it regualarly. However ALL except the CFS

has greatly improved since treating my Adrenals.

I suppose I was just seeking your opinion on whether the Mag Oil

would be likely to be beneficial for me?

<<<SB>>> It has helped my tense shoulders, TMJ and adrenals ( I spray on my

back).

I mean is there anything in my history that you may feel it might NOT be? I

am VERY WARY again of

claims that chelating/detoxing may occur (Mercury Issues & Amalgams IN

SITU).

<<SB>> I am not aware of the Mg chelating. It is a mineral supportive of

over 300 enzyme reactions.

[Guest guest]

Howdy ,

Thanks for your reply.

Lee asked...... " I mean is there anything in my history that you may

feel it might NOT be? I am VERY WARY again of claims that

chelating/detoxing may occur (Mercury Issues & Amalgams IN SITU) "

replied: " I am not aware of the Mg chelating. It is a

mineral supportive of over 300 enzyme reactions "

Here are some refs to Mag Oil (Magnesium Chloride)detoxing & possibly

chelating some heavy metals. These excerpts were taken from Marc

Sircus's Mag for Life & Detox Cancer Clinic sites;

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Magnesium Chloride Vs Magnesium Sulphate

http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/chloride_sulfate.shtml

" For purposes of CELLULAR DETOXIFICATION and tissue purification, the

most effective form of magnesium is magnesium chloride, which HAS A

STRONG EXCRETORY EFFECT ON TOXINS AND STAGNANT ENERGIES STUCK IN THE

TISSUES OF THE BODY, DRAWING THEM OUT THROUGH THE PORES OF THE SKIN.

This is a powerful hydrotherapy that DRAWS TOXINS FROM THE TISSUES,

replenishes the " vital fluid " of the cells and restores cellular

magnesium to optimum levels. Magnesium Chloride is environmentally

safe, and is used around vegetation and in agriculture. It is not

irritating to the skin at lower concentrations, and is less toxic

than common table salt. "

------------------------------------------------------------------

http://web.mac.com/medicalveritas/iWeb/Sanctuary%20Cancer%

20Clinic/Natural%20Chelation.html

Magnesium ions constitute the physiologically active magnesium in the

body; they are not attached to other substances and are free to join

in biochemical body processes.

This is one basic reason magnesium helps to detoxify toxic chemicals

and helps eliminate heavy metals from the body.

Another reason would be the part it plays in glutathione production

but undoubtedly, as Dr. Haley indicates, the Mg-ATP provides the

crucial energy to remove each toxicant.

A magnesium ion is an atom that is missing two electrons, which makes

it search to attach to something that will replace its missing

electrons so it is actively and directly involved in diminishing

heavy metal toxicity.

Magnesium appears to be a competitive inhibitor of lead and cadmium.

An increased level of magnesium has been shown to ELIMINATE lead and

cadmium through the urine and has also been reported to reduce the

toxic effects of Aluminium.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

I had a number of other questions in my previous post which I have

copied below. I would really appreciate any replies you can give to

those questions too.

Lethal Lee-Downunder in Perth Western Australia

======================================================================

Re: Transdermal Magnesium

Hello

" Yes I do take the Mg Oil daily. Most days twice a day - sprayed

all over my body. I itched and burned for about a week and 1/2 but

stuck it out and it went away. Now I love it. My body feels so

relaxed. I suffered from TMJ and tension in my shoulders and no

longer have as much problem when using the Mg oil. "

I was diagnosed with TMJ,Whiplash & ADD following my Car accident in

1988. Then after my Gallbladder Surgery in 2000 DX'ed with CFS &

Fibromyalgia. I have had regular Chiropractic & Remedial Therapy for

some years and still have it regualarly. However ALL except the CFS

has greatly improved since treating my Adrenals.

I suppose I was just seeking your opinion on whether the Mag Oil

would be likely to be beneficial for me? I mean is there anything in

my history that you may feel it might NOT be? I am VERY WARY again of

claims that chelating/detoxing may occur (Mercury Issues & Amalgams

IN SITU).

" I too just found out that I have the MTHFR gene mutation. This

requires that you use the activated form of the Folate the 5-

methylenetetrahydrofolate form. I just started (again) taking

Metagenics ActiFolate "

Actually both my Twin son's have it as well! We were all on Folic

Acid but after researching I was looking for more active form. I have

odered the following & we will be switching to that when it arrives

======================================================================

FOLACAL (Thorne Research)http://www.thorne.com/

Folacal provides 800 mcg of active folic acid per capsule, bypassing

many biochemical conversion steps needed to make folic acid usable by

the body.

• Adequate folate supplementation during pregnancy is essential in

preventing neural tube defects.

• Folate is avtively involved in reducing levels of homocysteine, a

marker for cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer's disease and infertilty

• Active folate is required for blood cell synthesis, nerve function,

cardiovascular health, and gingival health.

Each Capsule Contains:

Folate (Folinic acid from Calcium Folinate) 800.00mcg

Other ingredients: vegetarian cellulose capsule. May contain one or

more of the following hypoallergenic ingredients – cellulose,

leucine, silicon dioxide.

Dosage: 1 capsule every day

WARNING: A woman who is pregnant or nursing, or who might become

pregnant, should consult a healthcare practitioner before using this

product.

======================================================================

" .....until my Dr gets his new product back from the formulary. He

is compounding a bunch of items in the methylated forms to plug in

where the cycles get jammed up. I just received the book Genetic

Bypass and will be reading that to determine how to nutritionally

support this mutation. "

What other methylated forms are you going to be taking? Did you mean

for the MTHFR mutation? Not heard of the book GENETIC MUTATION -

who's the author? Is it worth me getting hold of it do you think?

" As I read your e-mail I was thinking that it sounded like you had

this and whala - you did. "

What made you think I might have it??

" Has anyone checked your iron/ferritin levels? You will have issues

increasing your thyroid meds if this is not in line. "

Yes they have beeen checked. As I said in my previous posts I have

Hemochromatosis (C282Y single Mutation)so my Ferritin levels are

usually TOO HIGH.

Since being 'educated' by of Oz RTH Forum I have watched

high Iron foods & used ALA & managed to lower my levels to the

recommended levels for HH.

Here are my Ferritin tests:

=====================================================================

IRON STUDIES (CUMULATIVE)

Goal keep Ferritin ~50 (due to HH)

March 2007 Haemochromatosis HFE Gene Mutation Test POSITIVE for

Heterozygous C282Y Mutation (negative for H63D Mutation)

March 2000 (Surgery & major dental work this month)

Ferritin .............173 ug/L (10-200) *246% over Goal VERY HIGH

October 2001

Ferritin ..............72 ug/L (7-233) *44% over Goal TOO HIGH

15th Nov'06 (Had major Fibro Flare this month)

Total Iron.............18 umol/L (11-27) *OK

Transferrin............31 umol/L (20-45)

TFN Satn...............29% ......(15-30%) *too high

Ferritin .............105 ug/L...(15-200) *110% over Goal TOO HIGH

November 2007

Total Iron............10 umol/L (5.4-28.6)*OK

Transferrin ..........30 umol/L (25-45.4)

TFN Satn .............17% .......(18-30%) *good

Ferritin .............84 ug/L....(20-180) *20% over Goal TOO HIGH

February 2008

Ferritin..............54 ug/L (30-270) *8% over Goal

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" Methylated forms of B12 have worked better for me. I do

injections. Low B12 will also cause issues for your increase

thyroid meds. "

Yes I am aware of that.My latest results are VERY LOW considering I

am on daily B12 supplements! I have ordered Jarrow Sublingual

Methylcobalamin 1000 mcg & 5000 mcg tabs & expect to start them soon.

I am wary of Mercury chelating & detox so am proceeding VERY

cautiously with the Methyl-B12.

Here are my B12 labs:

======================================================================

Vit B12 Supplements

- 1000mcg Cyanocobalamin 2xweek 30/01/07-30/01/08

- 1000mcg Cyanocobalamin DAILY since 30/01/08

7th March'07.......656 pg/mL (200-1000) *46% of Ref

24th Nov'07........392 pmol/L (139-651) *49% of Ref

29th Feb'08........517 pmol/L (139-651) *74% of Ref

=====================================================================

" Let me know what I can answer "

Thanks Stepanie. In my posts above I asked a couple which I repeat

here + have added a couple more:

1) I would appreciate any insights you (or others) can offer

especially regarding Transdermal Mag Oil.

2) I am interested too in Mag for Life claims that Mag Oil can

increase DHEA (is buried in the info on 'Mag for Life' website).

Can't find any refs or research to back that up though. Were you

aware of this. Did it help your levels do you know?

3) Should I try emailing them to see if they can give any refs for

that? I see that in the past & Mark from Mag for Life/IMVS

have posted here so maybe they will see this post too?

4) What do you think of my nutritional supplements? Anything obvious

being missed? Remember as well as the Folocal & Jarrow Sublingual B12

I am about to start Nordic Naturals ProEPA 200mg DHA/ 850 EPA (all

three on order still awaiting delivery). Remember also that I can't

take Vit C (can't tolerate, also HH). Also have tried Molybdenum

which again I couldn't tolerate (Sulphation pathways/Mercury Issues

again?)

5) I also recently started Vit A (Retinyl Palmitate form). Do you

know the best form of Vit A to take? I can't take Cod Liver Oil

(Mercury, Hemochromatosis) so need another supplement form.

THanks for your time & any info/advice you can give is appreciated.

Lethal Lee

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Yes magnesium is a chelating agent. I think they use it intravenously in chelation therapy?

Re: Transdermal Magnesium

Howdy ,Thanks for your reply.Lee asked......"I mean is there anything in my history that you may feel it might NOT be? I am VERY WARY again of claims that chelating/detoxing may occur (Mercury Issues & Amalgams IN SITU)" replied: "I am not aware of the Mg chelating. It is a mineral supportive of over 300 enzyme reactions"Here are some refs to Mag Oil (Magnesium Chloride)detoxing & possibly chelating some heavy metals. These excerpts were taken from Marc Sircus's Mag for Life & Detox Cancer Clinic sites;--------------------------------------------------------------------Magnesium Chloride Vs Magnesium Sulphate http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/chloride_sulfate.shtml"For purposes of CELLULAR DETOXIFICATION and tissue purification, the most effective form of magnesium is magnesium chloride, which HAS A STRONG EXCRETORY EFFECT ON TOXINS AND STAGNANT ENERGIES STUCK IN THE TISSUES OF THE BODY, DRAWING THEM OUT THROUGH THE PORES OF THE SKIN. This is a powerful hydrotherapy that DRAWS TOXINS FROM THE TISSUES, replenishes the "vital fluid" of the cells and restores cellular magnesium to optimum levels. Magnesium Chloride is environmentally safe, and is used around vegetation and in agriculture. It is not irritating to the skin at lower concentrations, and is less toxic than common table salt." ------------------------------------------------------------------http://web.mac.com/medicalveritas/iWeb/Sanctuary%20Cancer%20Clinic/Natural%20Chelation.htmlMagnesium ions constitute the physiologically active magnesium in the body; they are not attached to other substances and are free to join in biochemical body processes. This is one basic reason magnesium helps to detoxify toxic chemicals and helps eliminate heavy metals from the body. Another reason would be the part it plays in glutathione production but undoubtedly, as Dr. Haley indicates, the Mg-ATP provides the crucial energy to remove each toxicant. A magnesium ion is an atom that is missing two electrons, which makes it search to attach to something that will replace its missing electrons so it is actively and directly involved in diminishing heavy metal toxicity. Magnesium appears to be a competitive inhibitor of lead and cadmium. An increased level of magnesium has been shown to ELIMINATE lead and cadmium through the urine and has also been reported to reduce the toxic effects of Aluminium.----------------------------------------------------------------------I had a number of other questions in my previous post which I have copied below. I would really appreciate any replies you can give to those questions too.Lethal Lee-Downunder in Perth Western Australia ======================================================================Re: Transdermal MagnesiumHello "Yes I do take the Mg Oil daily. Most days twice a day - sprayedall over my body. I itched and burned for about a week and 1/2 butstuck it out and it went away. Now I love it. My body feels sorelaxed. I suffered from TMJ and tension in my shoulders and nolonger have as much problem when using the Mg oil."I was diagnosed with TMJ,Whiplash & ADD following my Car accident in1988. Then after my Gallbladder Surgery in 2000 DX'ed with CFS & Fibromyalgia. I have had regular Chiropractic & Remedial Therapy forsome years and still have it regualarly. However ALL except the CFShas greatly improved since treating my Adrenals.I suppose I was just seeking your opinion on whether the Mag Oilwould be likely to be beneficial for me? I mean is there anything inmy history that you may feel it might NOT be? I am VERY WARY again ofclaims that chelating/detoxing may occur (Mercury Issues & AmalgamsIN SITU)."I too just found out that I have the MTHFR gene mutation. Thisrequires that you use the activated form of the Folate the 5-methylenetetrahydrofolate form. I just started (again) takingMetagenics ActiFolate"Actually both my Twin son's have it as well! We were all on FolicAcid but after researching I was looking for more active form. I haveodered the following & we will be switching to that when it arrives======================================================================FOLACAL (Thorne Research)http://www.thorne.com/Folacal provides 800 mcg of active folic acid per capsule, bypassingmany biochemical conversion steps needed to make folic acid usable bythe body.. Adequate folate supplementation during pregnancy is essential inpreventing neural tube defects.. Folate is avtively involved in reducing levels of homocysteine, amarker for cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer's disease and infertilty. Active folate is required for blood cell synthesis, nerve function,cardiovascular health, and gingival health.Each Capsule Contains:Folate (Folinic acid from Calcium Folinate) 800.00mcgOther ingredients: vegetarian cellulose capsule. May contain one ormore of the following hypoallergenic ingredients - cellulose,leucine, silicon dioxide.Dosage: 1 capsule every dayWARNING: A woman who is pregnant or nursing, or who might becomepregnant, should consult a healthcare practitioner before using thisproduct.======================================================================".....until my Dr gets his new product back from the formulary. Heis compounding a bunch of items in the methylated forms to plug inwhere the cycles get jammed up. I just received the book GeneticBypass and will be reading that to determine how to nutritionallysupport this mutation."What other methylated forms are you going to be taking? Did you meanfor the MTHFR mutation? Not heard of the book GENETIC MUTATION -who's the author? Is it worth me getting hold of it do you think?"As I read your e-mail I was thinking that it sounded like you hadthis and whala - you did."What made you think I might have it??"Has anyone checked your iron/ferritin levels? You will have issuesincreasing your thyroid meds if this is not in line."Yes they have beeen checked. As I said in my previous posts I haveHemochromatosis (C282Y single Mutation)so my Ferritin levels areusually TOO HIGH.Since being 'educated' by of Oz RTH Forum I have watchedhigh Iron foods & used ALA & managed to lower my levels to therecommended levels for HH.Here are my Ferritin tests:=====================================================================IRON STUDIES (CUMULATIVE)Goal keep Ferritin ~50 (due to HH)March 2007 Haemochromatosis HFE Gene Mutation Test POSITIVE forHeterozygous C282Y Mutation (negative for H63D Mutation)March 2000 (Surgery & major dental work this month)Ferritin .............173 ug/L (10-200) *246% over Goal VERY HIGHOctober 2001Ferritin ..............72 ug/L (7-233) *44% over Goal TOO HIGH15th Nov'06 (Had major Fibro Flare this month)Total Iron.............18 umol/L (11-27) *OKTransferrin............31 umol/L (20-45)TFN Satn...............29% ......(15-30%) *too highFerritin .............105 ug/L...(15-200) *110% over Goal TOO HIGHNovember 2007Total Iron............10 umol/L (5.4-28.6)*OKTransferrin ..........30 umol/L (25-45.4)TFN Satn .............17% .......(18-30%) *goodFerritin .............84 ug/L....(20-180) *20% over Goal TOO HIGHFebruary 2008Ferritin..............54 ug/L (30-270) *8% over Goal===================================================================="Methylated forms of B12 have worked better for me. I doinjections. Low B12 will also cause issues for your increasethyroid meds."Yes I am aware of that.My latest results are VERY LOW considering Iam on daily B12 supplements! I have ordered Jarrow SublingualMethylcobalamin 1000 mcg & 5000 mcg tabs & expect to start them soon.I am wary of Mercury chelating & detox so am proceeding VERYcautiously with the Methyl-B12.Here are my B12 labs:======================================================================Vit B12 Supplements- 1000mcg Cyanocobalamin 2xweek 30/01/07-30/01/08- 1000mcg Cyanocobalamin DAILY since 30/01/087th March'07.......656 pg/mL (200-1000) *46% of Ref24th Nov'07........392 pmol/L (139-651) *49% of Ref29th Feb'08........517 pmol/L (139-651) *74% of Ref====================================================================="Let me know what I can answer"Thanks Stepanie. In my posts above I asked a couple which I repeathere + have added a couple more:1) I would appreciate any insights you (or others) can offerespecially regarding Transdermal Mag Oil.2) I am interested too in Mag for Life claims that Mag Oil canincrease DHEA (is buried in the info on 'Mag for Life' website).Can't find any refs or research to back that up though. Were youaware of this. Did it help your levels do you know?3) Should I try emailing them to see if they can give any refs forthat? I see that in the past & Mark from Mag for Life/IMVShave posted here so maybe they will see this post too?4) What do you think of my nutritional supplements? Anything obviousbeing missed? Remember as well as the Folocal & Jarrow Sublingual B12I am about to start Nordic Naturals ProEPA 200mg DHA/ 850 EPA (allthree on order still awaiting delivery). Remember also that I can'ttake Vit C (can't tolerate, also HH). Also have tried Molybdenumwhich again I couldn't tolerate (Sulphation pathways/Mercury Issuesagain?)5) I also recently started Vit A (Retinyl Palmitate form). Do youknow the best form of Vit A to take? I can't take Cod Liver Oil(Mercury, Hemochromatosis) so need another supplement form.THanks for your time & any info/advice you can give is appreciated.Lethal Lee====================================================================>------------------------------------

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Hi

I strongly urge you to read St Amand's book " What Your Doctor May Not Tell

You

About Fibromyalgia " He believes that FMS and CFS are one and the same. They are

inherited. He supports research at the City of Hope (suburbs of Los Angeles) to

find the

genetic component that causes the illness. He states in the book that FMS/CFS is

caused

by the kidneys inability to rid the body of phosphate and so it builds up over

time causing

pain and/or chronic fatigue and a host of other ills from chronic cystitis to

IBS and on and

on. He has found after treating people with FMS/CFS for over forty years using

guiafenesin

in the proper dosage will rid the body of the build up phosphate. The one caveat

is you

have to eliminate all salycilates (all plant based gels and oils) in your

personal care

products. This is better explained in his book. His website

www.fibromyalgiatreatment.com lists a doctor in New Zealand who is familiar with

the

protocol. Not exactly very close to you in Australia, but a bit closer than Los

Angeles. This

is off topic to iodine, so if you would like more info from me you can email me

direct. Best,

Janet

> I was diagnosed with TMJ,Whiplash & ADD following my Car accident in

> 1988. Then after my Gallbladder Surgery in 2000 DX'ed with CFS &

> Fibromyalgia. I have had regular Chiropractic & Remedial Therapy for

> some years and still have it regualarly. However ALL except the CFS

> has greatly improved since treating my Adrenals.

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Have you seen the FibroRecoveryGroup on ? This is the Arizona Fibromyalgia Recovery Group. A lot of them had been taking the guiafenesin for years and were maybe a little better. In January, a group of them started taking Iodoral. Many have already improved significantly. Also they have a website at www.fibromyalgiarecovery.com. I have Fibromyalgia too, so this was very interesting to me. Also this interview with Dr. Derry is fascinating. He believes FMS and CFS both developed because of untreated or undertreated thyroid problems: http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ & sdn=thyroid & cdn=health & tm=72 & gps=279_858_995_577 & f=22 & su=p726.2.152.ip_p284.8.150.ip_ & tt=-2 & bt=0 & bts=1 & zu=http%3A//www.thyroid-info.com/articles/david-derry.htm

a quote from this article.

"Why are we following a test which has no correlation with clinical presentation? The thyroidologists by consensus have decided that this test is the most useful for following treatment when in fact it is unrelated to how the patient feels. The consequences of this have been horrendous. Six years after their consensus decision Chronic fatigue and Fibromyalgia appeared. These are both hypothyroid conditions. But because their TSH was normal they have not been treated. The TSH needs to be scrapped and medical students taught again how to clinically recognize low thyroid conditions."

Lynn

In iodine , "boston.brownies" <boston.brownies@...> wrote:>> Hi> I strongly urge you to read St Amand's book "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You > About Fibromyalgia" He believes that FMS and CFS are one and the same. They are > inherited. He supports research at the City of Hope (suburbs of Los Angeles) to find the > genetic component that causes the illness. He states in the book that FMS/CFS is caused > by the kidneys inability to rid the body of phosphate and so it builds up over time causing > pain and/or chronic fatigue and a host of other ills from chronic cystitis to IBS and on and > on. He has found after treating people with FMS/CFS for over forty years using guiafenesin > in the proper dosage will rid the body of the build up phosphate. The one caveat is you > have to eliminate all salycilates (all plant based gels and oils) in your personal care > products. This is better explained in his book. His website > www.fibromyalgiatreatment.com lists a doctor in New Zealand who is familiar with the > protocol. Not exactly very close to you in Australia, but a bit closer than Los Angeles. This > is off topic to iodine, so if you would like more info from me you can email me direct. Best, > Janet> > > > I was diagnosed with TMJ,Whiplash & ADD following my Car accident in > > 1988. Then after my Gallbladder Surgery in 2000 DX'ed with CFS & > > Fibromyalgia. I have had regular Chiropractic & Remedial Therapy for > > some years and still have it regualarly. However ALL except the CFS > > has greatly improved since treating my Adrenals.>

[Guest guest]

hi. I use mg oil...mag chloride...same thing....I got mine from

globallight..but I think they were having another organization from

canada take over...I did find this place..which when I run out I will

try them out...they seem to have the most affordable price right

now..it is http://www.health-and-wisdom.com/ they also

have some information....garyc

[Guest guest]

Thanks . This looks like a good site to order.

Ballady

>

> hi. I use mg oil...mag chloride...same thing....I got mine from

> globallight..but I think they were having another organization from

> canada take over...I did find this place..which when I run out I will

> try them out...they seem to have the most affordable price right

> now..it is http://www.health-and-wisdom.com/ they also

> have some information....garyc

>

[Guest guest]

Ballady wrote:

>Thanks for all the info. and I'm from Manhattan, not Oz.<

My bad.

>One more question:

You mention taking different types of mag. I thought the Mag oil would

be sufficient for my mag needs. I have only been able to take Mag

glycinate chelated because of the aforementioned diarrhea problem with

all other mag products. My understanding is that Mag (in genral) is

good for the heart, sleep, muscular issues, etc. If mag oil is not

going to address everything I'll stick to my glycinate.<

I can't comment on mag glycinate, never tried it.

Any oral magnesium supplement can cause diarrhea but you can build a

tolerance. Mag chloride taken orally is not very laxative but is horribly

bitter. Yes, all of the common supplemental forms of mag compounds are good

for the heart, but Taurine is very good for the heart, and for me, just my

experience, Mag Taurate has been REAL GOOD for my heart.

I do have an idea, can't prove a thing, that too much mag chloride may, if

used with too much sodium chloride or potassium chloride, be an overload of

chlorides and possibly add to angina problems. Again, can't prove that. I

have beaten my angina and am now using a bit of my homemade Mag Oil again,

but I cut my dietary salt back considerably, at least until summer and

sweating weather.

BTW, the big cure for angina is lots and lots of all forms of vitamin C,

EXCEPT any corn source C.

Daddybob

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you are quite welcome....in the summer when it is warm what I do is

get a rubbermade 100 gal. stock tank..put about 50 gal. of good water

and a gallon of mag. oil...and soak for an hour 4-5 times a week...as

the water evavorates add more water...get a cheap stock tank heater

to warm it up even more....if you have the room get another tank and

put in a gal of 35% h2o2 and soak in that every other day...get

yourself saturated with oxygen and magnesium.....by using the

transdermal mag. it bypasses the gut and you don't get the

runs ....later...garyc

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> >

> > hi. I use mg oil...mag chloride...same thing....I got mine from

> > globallight..but I think they were having another organization

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I spoke with someone from the website you offered. She said it is not

necessary to dilute the mag oil with H2O. I ordered the gel and the

oil to try them both.

Ballady

> > >

> > > hi. I use mg oil...mag chloride...same thing....I got mine from

> > > globallight..but I think they were having another organization

>

[Guest guest]

hi, you are right you don't have to dilute...but if you put a gal or so

in some hot water and soak from your chin down...your pores will open

and you will get lots of mag absorbed...I use the same tank of

mag...all summer long and .....the only problem with putting it on full

strength is it feels real greasy and gunks up your clothes...a way

around this is if you have someone to massage it in real good for

you ...then you got it made....later...garyc

>

> Hi ,

>

> I spoke with someone from the website you offered. She said it is not

> necessary to dilute the mag oil with H2O. I ordered the gel and the

> oil to try them both.

>

> Ballady

>

[Guest guest]

What would you like to know from me? Has anyone checked your iron /

ferritin levels? You will have issues increasing your thyroid meds if this

is not in line. Methylated forms of B12 have worked better for me. I do

injections. Low B12 will also cause issues for your increase thyroid meds.

STEPHANIE,

How has the methylated forms worked better? Does it make a difference which form of B.12 has raised blood levels?

Thanks,

Let me know what I can answer. My blog is a bit behind as I have been busy

with this group, school and lately speaking " engagements " .

[Guest guest]

Hydroxocobolamin increased blood levels but didn't make me feel any better. I switched to the Methyl B12 and felt better - clearer headed and more endurance during workouts. I have a gene mutation that makes methyl forms better for me since my methylation process is messed up.

Steph

Re: Transdermal Magnesium

What would you like to know from me? Has anyone checked your iron / ferritin levels? You will have issues increasing your thyroid meds if this is not in line. Methylated forms of B12 have worked better for me. I do injections. Low B12 will also cause issues for your increase thyroid meds.STEPHANIE,How has the methylated forms worked better? Does it make a difference which form of B.12 has raised blood levels?Thanks, Let me know what I can answer. My blog is a bit behind as I have been busy with this group, school and lately speaking "engagements".

[Guest guest]

is the MB12 Rx only or can you buy it?has anyone tried the liposomal form of b12?thankssandraladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote: Hydroxocobolamin increased blood levels but didn't make me feel any better. I switched to the Methyl B12 and felt better - clearer headed and more endurance during workouts. I have a gene mutation that makes methyl forms better for me since my methylation process is messed up. Steph Re: Transdermal Magnesium What would you like to know from me? Has anyone checked your iron / ferritin levels? You will have issues increasing your thyroid meds if this is not in line. Methylated forms of B12 have worked better for me. I do injections.

Low B12 will also cause issues for your increase thyroid meds.STEPHANIE,How has the methylated forms worked better? Does it make a difference which form of B.12 has raised blood levels?Thanks, Let me know what I can answer. My blog is a bit behind as I have been busy with this group, school and lately speaking "engagements". __________________________________________________

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The injections I do come from a compounding pharmacy with a rx. You can buy some sublingual and maybe tablets online w/o one. I do the injections because the RAI destroyed my digestive tract and I do not absorb things well. So when I can inject or do transdermal I do.

Steph

Re: Transdermal Magnesium

What would you like to know from me? Has anyone checked your iron / ferritin levels? You will have issues increasing your thyroid meds if this is not in line. Methylated forms of B12 have worked better for me. I do injections. Low B12 will also cause issues for your increase thyroid meds.STEPHANIE,How has the methylated forms worked better? Does it make a difference which form of B.12 has raised blood levels?Thanks, Let me know what I can answer. My blog is a bit behind as I have been busy with this group, school and lately speaking "engagements".

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[Guest guest]

did your regular dr rx them? mine can only give cyanob12sandraladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote: The injections I do come from a compounding pharmacy with a rx. You can buy some sublingual and maybe tablets online w/o one. I do the injections because the RAI destroyed my digestive tract and I do not absorb things well. So when I can inject or do transdermal I do. Steph Re: Transdermal Magnesium What would you like to know from me? Has anyone checked your iron / ferritin levels? You will have issues increasing your thyroid meds if this is not in line. Methylated forms of B12 have worked better for me. I do injections. Low B12 will also cause issues for your increase thyroid meds.STEPHANIE,How has the methylated forms worked better? Does it make a difference which form of B.12 has raised blood levels?Thanks, Let me know what I can answer. My blog is a bit behind as I have been busy with this group, school and lately speaking "engagements". __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Yes my "regular doctor" is Dr Brownstein (www.drbrownstein.com) who is a holistic doc.

Steph

Re: Transdermal Magnesium

What would you like to know from me? Has anyone checked your iron / ferritin levels? You will have issues increasing your thyroid meds if this is not in line. Methylated forms of B12 have worked better for me. I do injections. Low B12 will also cause issues for your increase thyroid meds.STEPHANIE,How has the methylated forms worked better? Does it make a difference which form of B.12 has raised blood levels?Thanks, Let me know what I can answer. My blog is a bit behind as I have been busy with this group, school and lately speaking "engagements".

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