Re: Transdermal Magnesium

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Hi Steph,So, you take your B-12 by injection? How often?Pamelaladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbeessbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: The injections I do come from a compounding pharmacy with a rx. You can buy some sublingual and maybe tablets online w/o one. I do the injections because the RAI destroyed my digestive tract and I do not absorb things well. So when I can inject or do transdermal I do.

Steph __________________________________________________

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I did it every day for 2 mos and now I do it 2x / week.

Steph

Re: Transdermal Magnesium

Hi Steph,So, you take your B-12 by injection? How often?Pamela

ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbeessbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

The injections I do come from a compounding pharmacy with a rx. You can buy some sublingual and maybe tablets online w/o one. I do the injections because the RAI destroyed my digestive tract and I do not absorb things well. So when I can inject or do transdermal I do.

Steph

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do you administer them yourself?sandraladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote: Yes my "regular doctor" is Dr Brownstein (www.drbrownstein.com) who is a holistic doc. Steph Re: Transdermal Magnesium What would you like to know from me? Has anyone checked your iron / ferritin levels? You will have issues increasing your thyroid meds if this is not in line. Methylated forms of B12 have worked better for me. I do injections. Low B12 will also cause issues for your increase thyroid meds.STEPHANIE,How has the methylated forms worked better? Does it make a difference which form of B.12 has raised blood levels?Thanks, Let me know what I can answer. My blog is a bit behind as I have been busy with this group, school and lately speaking "engagements". __________________________________________________

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I buy the NOW brand of Methyl B12 and It helps a lot.

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Absolutely. They taught me in the leg but it got too bruised. I do it in the hip now. I have injected a few things now. It's no biggie

Steph

Re: Transdermal Magnesium

What would you like to know from me? Has anyone checked your iron / ferritin levels? You will have issues increasing your thyroid meds if this is not in line. Methylated forms of B12 have worked better for me. I do injections. Low B12 will also cause issues for your increase thyroid meds.STEPHANIE,How has the methylated forms worked better? Does it make a difference which form of B.12 has raised blood levels?Thanks, Let me know what I can answer. My blog is a bit behind as I have been busy with this group, school and lately speaking "engagements".

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Please note that there is substantial support for the transdermal absorption

of magnesium. Check the work of Dr. Sircus.he has published a book about

magnesium oil showing how effective it is. He has a number of updates on his

site .search for IMVA. It is actually a superior way to obtain sufficient

magnesium and perhaps some other minerals and substances. Epsom salts

probably accomplishes something in terms of magnesium supplementation,

contrary to the indication below. Another fine supplement needed by most all

of us is iodine, and nascent or atomic iodine now seems to be the best form

(works great for malaria and other conditions and great support for

thyroid). It is available from www.magnascent.com

<http://www.magnascent.com/> and Dr. Sircus is finishing a book about

that also.

Bob son

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> Hi

>

> " hope " is a funny thing---youre right to want to insure its

> intact---especially among newly diagnosed, but you have to be

> careful that it doesnt replace sound judgement or at least

> informed choice making.

>

> Many have " hope " and " believe " many so called cure-alls will

> work---and they forgo better safer treatments and place

> themselves in probable danger too.

>

> IF after learning all the negatives along with the positives

> about a particular treatment you still " hope " and " beleiieve "

> you want to try it-- Ive never stopped anyone...and Im all

> for a good " Placebo Response " --as they say whatever works...

>

> but when so many grasp at bad info and hype and lose time due

> to wasteful endeavors ( financial as well as emotional) it

> becomes an epidemic of sadness that we have to try to combat

> by disseminating as much valid, corrected information as

> possible to as many as possible. information and education

> always trumps " beliefs and hope " ; true " hope " can always

> accompany doing something with full knowledge and transparency!!

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> and then when too many pass along faulty info--like instead

> of saying a good hot soak in Epsom salts help them " feel

> better " theyll go on and on about " detox " and absorbing a

> lot of Magnesium dermally ( all dismally and flat out false),

> it simply perpetuates bad information upon which others will

> make badly thought out decisions.

>

> giving or sustaining " hope " should come with the

> responsibility of providing accurate, valid information and

> then its not " false hope " which IMHO is the worst of all!!!

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> be well

> Finette

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bob,

Thanks for posting the information about transdermal magnesium. I'm

curious whether the book by Dr. Sircus is footnoted, or has a decent

list of references at the back? It's interesting on his web site,

the discussion of the difference between magnesium chloride and

magnesium sulfate (the form that's in Epsom salts).

I've had quite serious gi problems, which have made it virtually

impossible to take magnesium supplements without major belly pain. I

had to stop the Buhner herbs for the same reason, because eating was

becoming seriously problematic, and resulting in dangerous weight

loss.

At any rate, I've really missed taking magnesium -- it was obvious

that it was helping, particularly with muscle spasms. I tried every

version around, including liquid magnesium chloride -- which has been

sitting in the refrigerator ever since.

It does seem debatable, the issue of transdermal absorption of

magnesium in sufficient quantities to make a difference. But so many

other things are absorbed transdermally, why not this. (Just check

out all the drug patches available, if transdermal absorption seems

far-fetched.) And either way, it's easy to apply, and the bottle of

magnesium chloride in the refrigerator is *definitely* not doing me

any good sitting in there.

Dr. Sircus says that blood testing before and after regimens of

transdermal magnesium show major increases in blood levels of

magnesium. I'm wondering if that is referenced, to any studies

outside of his own office records? It's unfortunate that all the

reviews of his book -- at least that I could find -- are simply

summaries of the material covered in the book, rather than any kind

of coherent discussion of its strengths and weaknesses. Transdermal

magnesium is an interesting concept, especially for those having

problems with oral supplements; it would be nice to see the subject

covered in a more rigorous way.

Best wishes to all -- I've missed the herbs. I am having some success

with Immune Response Training, and a primarily raw foods version of

the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. Just discovered the scd a few months

ago, and am finally gaining weight again. With luck, my belly will

heal enough to gradually be able to consider at least some of the

herbs again.

Shemaya

[Guest guest]

I have a gallon of the transdermal magnesium. It's difficult to say whether or

not it works.It can sting tho when applying. You supposedly get used to it after

a while. If you dilute it half and half with water or soak in a tub or footbath

of it then it doesn't sting. The transdermal gel by Global light doesn't sting.

They also sell the concentrated magnesium oil that I have. I used it haphazardly

and I really should use it more regularly

Margie

shemayalaurel <smountainlaurel@...> wrote:

Hi Bob,

Thanks for posting the information about transdermal magnesium. I'm

curious whether the book by Dr. Sircus is footnoted, or has a decent

list of references at the back? It's interesting on his web site,

the discussion of the difference between magnesium chloride and

magnesium sulfate (the form that's in Epsom salts).

I've had quite serious gi problems, which have made it virtually

impossible to take magnesium supplements without major belly pain. I

had to stop the Buhner herbs for the same reason, because eating was

becoming seriously problematic, and resulting in dangerous weight

loss.

At any rate, I've really missed taking magnesium -- it was obvious

that it was helping, particularly with muscle spasms. I tried every

version around, including liquid magnesium chloride -- which has been

sitting in the refrigerator ever since.

It does seem debatable, the issue of transdermal absorption of

magnesium in sufficient quantities to make a difference. But so many

other things are absorbed transdermally, why not this. (Just check

out all the drug patches available, if transdermal absorption seems

far-fetched.) And either way, it's easy to apply, and the bottle of

magnesium chloride in the refrigerator is *definitely* not doing me

any good sitting in there.

Dr. Sircus says that blood testing before and after regimens of

transdermal magnesium show major increases in blood levels of

magnesium. I'm wondering if that is referenced, to any studies

outside of his own office records? It's unfortunate that all the

reviews of his book -- at least that I could find -- are simply

summaries of the material covered in the book, rather than any kind

of coherent discussion of its strengths and weaknesses. Transdermal

magnesium is an interesting concept, especially for those having

problems with oral supplements; it would be nice to see the subject

covered in a more rigorous way.

Best wishes to all -- I've missed the herbs. I am having some success

with Immune Response Training, and a primarily raw foods version of

the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. Just discovered the scd a few months

ago, and am finally gaining weight again. With luck, my belly will

heal enough to gradually be able to consider at least some of the

herbs again.

Shemaya

[Guest guest]

Yes,thank you for posting that. I was going to say that because a

number of drugs are now delivered transdermally (scopolamine was one

of the first, then nicotine), it's likely that magnesium can and is

absorbed when taking a hot epsom salt bath.

To start with, consider that the skin is the body's largest organ.

Then consider that the moist heat of the hot bath opens the pores of

the skin, making the skin more conducive to absorbing things.

It just follows logically that magnesium could be absorbed this way.

I know from experience that I had a much stronger herx from applying

a topical antibiotic to my rash when I applied it just after taking a

hot epsom salt bath than I did when I applied the same cream " cold " .

In addition, if one sits in a hot bath long enough to raise their

internal temperature to 101-102 degrees, you may kill some

spirochetes and herx. I did it once on purpose, but I don't

recommend it. The resulting herx was so strong that I thought it

would kill me, and I have read later that it is dangerous. Heat has

been used in the past to treat malaria, and had a death rate of

1/20. See attached reference:

www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/107/6/651

" With regard to high temperature, both B. burgdorferi and T. pallidum

lack factor 32 (6, 7), a primary mediator of the heat-shock response,

although some evidence exists that B. burgdorferi can mount a heat

shock response while T. palladium cannot. In vitro cultivation of B.

burgdorferi at various temperatures demonstrates that the spirochete

replicates most quickly at 37°C. An increase in temperature to 39°C

retards growth significantly, while a 24 hour exposure at 41°C kills

all spirochetes in the culture. Therefore, the optimal growth

temperature of B. burgdorferi is only 4°C below the upper lethal

limit. The low tolerance of spirochetes for high temperatures is well

known and may explain in part the restricted distribution of B.

burgdorferi to temperate latitudes and its absence in the tropics,

where infected ticks may be exposed to high temperatures detrimental

to spirochete survival. Interestingly, the thermal sensitivity of T.

palladium was exploited in the early 1900s prior to the discovery of

penicillin by using fever therapy with malaria or relapsing fever

infection to treat patients with general paresis (31). "

[37C = 98.6F, 39C=102F, 40 = 104F, 41 = 106F]

In other words Lyme bacteria all die at a temperature of 106

Fahrenheit for 24 hours. It's a higher temp than what kills Syphilis.

Unfortunately that could kill you too. But they do have a hard time

at 102F, and at 103 or 104. One of the problems with heat therapy is

some tissues in your body might be a bit cooler and the bacteria

there might survive. It can be dangerous therapy if it's not done in

moderation. Temperature treatment for spirochetal illnesses has it's

roots in the old Malaria therapy for Syphilis. The old Malaria

therapy had a death rate of 1/20, and a successful complete remission

rate of 50%. Some people just soak in very hot baths in addition to

other therapies and swear by it.

Bottom line: I don't think 's wife is imagining things.

Patti

>

> Hi Bob,

>

> Thanks for posting the information about transdermal magnesium.

I'm

> curious whether the book by Dr. Sircus is footnoted, or has a

decent

> list of references at the back? It's interesting on his web site,

> the discussion of the difference between magnesium chloride and

> magnesium sulfate (the form that's in Epsom salts).

>

> I've had quite serious gi problems, which have made it virtually

> impossible to take magnesium supplements without major belly pain.

I

> had to stop the Buhner herbs for the same reason, because eating

was

> becoming seriously problematic, and resulting in dangerous weight

> loss.

>

> At any rate, I've really missed taking magnesium -- it was obvious

> that it was helping, particularly with muscle spasms. I tried

every

> version around, including liquid magnesium chloride -- which has

been

> sitting in the refrigerator ever since.

>

> It does seem debatable, the issue of transdermal absorption of

> magnesium in sufficient quantities to make a difference. But so

many

> other things are absorbed transdermally, why not this. (Just check

> out all the drug patches available, if transdermal absorption seems

> far-fetched.) And either way, it's easy to apply, and the bottle

of

> magnesium chloride in the refrigerator is *definitely* not doing me

> any good sitting in there.

>

> Dr. Sircus says that blood testing before and after regimens of

> transdermal magnesium show major increases in blood levels of

> magnesium. I'm wondering if that is referenced, to any studies

> outside of his own office records? It's unfortunate that all the

> reviews of his book -- at least that I could find -- are simply

> summaries of the material covered in the book, rather than any kind

> of coherent discussion of its strengths and weaknesses.

Transdermal

> magnesium is an interesting concept, especially for those having

> problems with oral supplements; it would be nice to see the subject

> covered in a more rigorous way.

>

> Best wishes to all -- I've missed the herbs. I am having some

success

> with Immune Response Training, and a primarily raw foods version of

> the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. Just discovered the scd a few

months

> ago, and am finally gaining weight again. With luck, my belly will

> heal enough to gradually be able to consider at least some of the

> herbs again.

>

> Shemaya

>

[Guest guest]

Pam to the BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE one cannot OD using transdermal

magnesium.

May I suggest you read whatever you can that is written by MARC SIRCUS

(google him) on magnesium. He will give you facts.

Good luck, I know it does help me ... it is NOT a cure, but a temporary

help and it is NOT a pharmaceutical drug.

Happy New Year One and All

Clare in Taz