(No subject)

[Guest guest]

The Brachman study used one vaccine available in the late 50s. The FDA

licensed another vaccine which used a different nonvirulent anthrax

strain, using the Brachman data generated with the earlier vaccine. (Go

figure.) The Ames strain is a virulent strain not used to make vaccines

but used to test vaccine effectiveness.

The GAO study is not estimated to be out until the early spring.

Kaufman posted a description of the two vaccines in Pro-MED a year ago.

--

Meryl Nass, M.D.

Parkview Hospital, Brunswick, Maine 04011

email mnass@...

phone (207) 865-0875

fax (207) 865-6975

[Guest guest]

The most comon line coming out of the leadership in rebuttal to any evidence

offered is " that is just stuff he or she got off the internet, how can they

know if it is the truth? " No new facts, just a misstrust of that new

fangled technology.

(no subject)

Hi all!

I just copied the " only known published journal study " (World Health

Org., 1998) of a human anthrax vaccine trial (Brachman et al.,1962). Very

interesting study. Seems to me that so many of the test subjects left the

experiment (in one way or another) and that it is somewhat inconclusive. My

question is this. The " vaccine was supplied by Dr. G.G. and

associates of the US Army Chemical Corps, Fort Detrick, Frederick, Md. It

was produced by growth of the RI-NP strain. RI-NP is a nonencapsulated,

nonproteolytic mutant of the Vollum strain of B. anthracis. " In addition,

the vaccine contains " 0.1 per cent aluminum potassium sulfate (alum). " Now,

another study done more recently was conducted yet again at Fort Detrick

with MDPH-PA in rhesus monkeys " using the Ames strain of aerosolized

anthrax. " The current vaccine, anthrax vaccine adsorbed, contains 2.4 mg of

AlOH, formaldehyde (not to exceed 0.02%) and benzethonium chloride

(0.0025%). Notice for the current vaccine, I have no idea what strain is

used to produce it!

OK, according to the DOD and FDA, " the vaccine was licensed in 1970

according to a published study (that study being Dr. Brachman's). " The key

word here is licensed - which vaccine? The RINP strain, the Ames strain or

the anthrax vaccine adsorbed? Are they all considered the same? And if

they are all considered the same, how come they performed differently in

other tests cited by Dr. Nass? Therefore, what strain is included in the

anthrax vaccine adsorbed - it does not say on the package label? And, is

this particular vaccine the one that was licenced in 1970? If not, then

this leaves us with the fact that the DOD is saying that the anthrax vaccine

was indeed licenced in 1970 - but it does not specify which vaccine! Thus,

the current vaccine is a " new investigational drug. " Are they relying on

our intelligence to figure this one out?

Somebody, please help me with this. I cant believe our government is

treating their armed forces like this. Their web site on " the anthrax

threat " (DOD), questions and answers, fact vs myth, is full of

inconsistancies to what I have found.. And indeed on their " history of

anthrax- more recently " section, the DoD states " Beginning in 1970 and

continuing through today, the anthrax has been routinely administered to ALL

PROFESSIONALS who MAY contact anthrax spores occupationally (veterinarians,

laboratory workers, livestock handlers, etc.). " This is a blatent lie in

accordance to what one list has found! I am outraged, frustrated

and worried.

Also, Has the GAO published the independent probe on the MBPI anthrax

vaccine? It was due out early 1999.

Thanks to all of you for your support

Traci and York

[Guest guest]

Just wanted you all to see the interneting of groups we are doing to be sure

and get information out re anthrax

This is just one place we are putting it out to!

Read

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Sunshine and the U. S. Marines

by Grant Hodgson

Former U. S. Marine recruit and Portland resident had no idea

what he was entering into when he was volunteered for medical experiments as a

new Marine recruit in basic training at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot (MCRD)

in San Diego, California in 1978. At MCRD he and several other Marine

recruits were inducted into the top secret weapons development and testing

programs code-named Sunshine and Whitecoat, catchall programs that tested the

effects of radiation and chemical and biological weapons on humans, against

federal and international laws that make such experimentation illegal. In

's case, he was to be subjected to various tests, but the most life-

threatening was to be a so-called vaccine testing program that was apparently

designed to test the efficacy of new vaccines (or Biological Weapons?) on

young, healthy military recruits, in complete violation of international laws

and treaties that were established in the Nuremberg Trials in Germany after

World War II.

What and his fellow Marines could have never known was that some

of the same Nazi war criminals who escaped prosecution in the Nuremberg Trails

with the help of U. S. intelligence agents and Operation Paperclip, a top

secret program to relocate Nazi scientists and physicians to America to

continue their wartime efforts, would now be in key positions to experiment on

them in various research projects sanctioned by the U. S. military and

intelligence agencies. For several years Sunshine tested new lethal and

nonlethal weapons discovered, in part, by the Nazi scientists who continued

their development with the help and cover of the U. S. Government. According

to Ernest , President of Contaminated Veterans of America in

Albuquerque, New Mexico, 's case is not unique. Over the years

tens of thousands of military recruits have been used for questionable and

often illegal medical research projects to test new weapons in violation of

the Nuremberg Code.

says that he inadvertently fell into one of the Sunshine or

Whitecoat projects. Although details on this top secret project are sketchy,

it appears to have been designed to use young men, primarily military

recruits, to test various new weapons. Using the Freedom of Information Act,

has amassed official government documents in order to find out why he

has been chronically sick ever since his days as a Marine recruit. The most

difficult task was to find his medical records. After years of Marine Corps

denial that he was ever hospitalized, then that his records were

" inadvertently destroyed " . finally found a copy that contained the

codes that identified him as a subject for a top secret medical testing

program. " I don't want them to do to other recruits what they did to me,

states . I almost died, was given a medical discharge, and I have had

chronic health problems ever since. I was not receiving any medical help from

the Marines or the VA. Although they would carefully examine me, they never

offered any explanation or treatment for my condition. It's as if they were

just monitoring my condition but doing nothing about it " .

A turning point came when saw a broadcast on his local TV station

about the Gulf War and its associated medical problems. " I listened carefully

to this researcher speak about Gulf War Syndrome and how he and his institute

described some of its causes and how they developed new treatments " . The

medical researcher, Dr. Garth Nicolson, Chief Scientific Officer of the

Institute for Molecular Medicine in Huntington Beach, California, had been

working with several hundred veterans with Gulf War Syndrome, or as Nicolson

prefers to call it, Gulf War Illnesses. Working with his molecular biologist

wife , they discovered that almost one-half of the veterans with Gulf War

Syndrome have chronic infections caused by an infectious mycoplasma, a small

bacterial-like microorganism that hides inside tissues and reeks havoc

throughout the body. Mycoplasma infections, particularly the type found in

the vets, Mycoplasma fermentans incognitis, can result in chronic fatigue,

aching joints and muscles, memory loss, skin rashes, fevers and other

problems. For years no one listened to Nicolsons, but they continued to

gather data and publish it in environmental medicine journals. They have been

vocal about their methods to diagnose and treat veterans, and this has

resulted in Garth Nicolson testifying under oath six times in the last few

years to various Presidential, Congressional and Pentagon oversight

committees.

The press reports and official government testimony grudgingly and slowly

gained notice from the Pentagon, and within the last year the Institute

received a Department of Defense contract to train military and civilian

scientists and physicians on how to find and treat mycoplasmas of the type

found in Gulf War Syndrome. One of the members of this team that was trained

in California was Dr. Shyh-Ching Lo, a scientist and mycoplasma expert at the

Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Washington D.C. who claims discovery of

Mycoplasma fermentans incognitis and even holds a U.S. government patent on

this very microorganism. Although for years the VA and military officially

denied that a treatment for Gulf War Syndrome existed, at the same time

Nicolson was quietly working with doctors within and outside the government to

take care of vets with Gulf War Syndrome and the unusual infection that many

of them and their family members had contracted.

But had never been to the Middle east and had been sick for

years before the Gulf War. Since he had many of the same medical problems as

the Gulf War vets, contacted Garth Nicolson to see if he might have a

similar illness. After sending a blood sample to California, was

diagnosed with the same type of infection found in Gulf War Syndrome patients.

" In 's case, it appears that he might have received some kind of

cocktail injection while he was in the Marines at MCRD in San Diego. He

quickly became acutely sick with signs and symptoms similar to those caused by

a hemorrhagic fever virus, mainly he was bleeding from various places, and

apparently his blood vessels were leaking blood into his tissues causing

extreme swelling. He was lucky to live through this episode " . In fact, some

of 's fellow recruits did not survive what Nicolson has called the

acute phase of his illness. recovered enough to be discharged from

the Marines, he returned to Oregon and his illness slowly moved into a new

chronic phase with different symptoms similar to what Gulf War veterans are

suffering from. Nicolson hypothesized that this second chronic phase of his

illness might be caused by the mycoplasma and perhaps other infections. This

is why Nicolson thinks that may have been a subject for testing of an

infectious cocktail that contained both fast-and slow-acting biological

agents.

There was also another important parallel with Gulf War Syndrome. During

's stay at the Naval Medical Research Unit in San Diego one of his

physicians was Dr. E. Kilpactrick, at the time a U. S. Navy Commander

and head of the Naval Medical Research Unit in San Diego. Interestingly, Dr.

Kilpactrick is now the number two man in the Pentagon's office that

investigates Gulf War Syndrome. " Catch 22! Says . I've checked

the signatures, and it is the same Dr. Kilpactrick. He is the source or can

lead us to the source, and he is now the head investigator of Gulf War

Syndrome. I would like to know what they did to me to make me ill. I was not

allowed to question physicians or staff. I was placed under orders of silence

for the full period of my medical treatment and thereafter until my discharge.

I believed then my life was in danger and still is as a survivor of these

inhuman test programs " . Dr. Kilpactrick, now a Navy Captain, was unavailable

for comment. Dr. Kilpactrick was the Commanding Officer of Naval Medical

Research Unit No. 3 in Cairo, Egypt during the Gulf War and was responsible

for identifying Biological Weapons used during the war. Interestingly, the

Naval Medical Research Unit in San Diego is a part of the No. 3 unit in Cairo

that was headed by Captain Kilpactrick. says that he believes

that Dr. Kilpactrick holds many of the clues to his symptoms and the symptoms

of those veterans suffering from Gulf War Illnesses.

Dr. Kilpactrick recently appeared in a TV interview with the UPN network

where he described the Nicolsons work as " an interesting theory " that would

take years to confirm. And what does he think about the success that the

Institute for Molecular Medicine has had in helping vets overcome Gulf War

Syndrome with antibiotic treatments, Dr. Kilpactrick says more research needs

to be done. " We shouldn't just rush head long into saying that just because

teteracyclines as drugs don’t cause much of a problem, let’s go ahead and just

give it to the veterans. When I look at the antibiotics as compounds, these

drugs kill a lot of friendly bacteria that live in our bodies " . Garth

Nicolson counters with " That's ridiculous! The antibiotics that we have

recommended to treat systemic [systemwide] mycoplasmal infections are quite

safe and have been in safe use for years at military and VA hospitals. Every

antibiotic kills some friendly bacteria. If you closely followed Dr.

Kilpactrick's notions, no one would ever be treated with antibiotics " . Last

year the Department of Veterans Affairs approved a $12 million clinical trial

using the antibiotic doxycycline to treat Gulf War Syndrome patients that have

mycoplasma infections at 20 VA medical centers around the country. Nicolson

also stated that " We had accumulated enough evidence by 1994 that this

[antibiotic] was helping the veterans, and, of course, we tried to go to the

VA and tell them that this was helping the veterans, but they just scoffed at

us and thought we were crazy. They even issued directives from VA

Headquarters in Washington D.C. that Gulf War Illnesses should not be treated

with antibiotics, which is absurd, because Gulf War Illness patients could

have a variety of secondary conditions that could require antibiotic therapy " .

thinks that the reason that Gulf War Syndrome patients with

infections are not being treated is the same reason that he was denied

treatment. He feels that the Medical Corps has been doing illegal research on

military personnel for years, and some of these military physicians do not

want their experiments to be tampered with by having subjects treated with

antibiotics for agents that may have been given to them during military tests.

As Garth Nicolson stresses " This problem will not go away. We are dealing

with airborne contagious infections that if left untreated will continue to

penetrate into the civilian population " . and Dudley of San Diego

learned this the hard way. As civilians, they worked right next to MCRD in

San Diego at about the same time that was in training to become a

Marine and had extensive contacts with recruits who were sick. Now the

Dudleys are sick with the same illness, and they have also been diagnosed with

Mycoplasma fermentans infections at the Nicolsons & rsquo; institute. " We were

diagnosed with mycoplasma infections and we have been on antibiotics for

eighteen months, and we are recovering. In fact, the antibiotics have been

the only thing that have helped us recover after years of illness. We have the

same type of infection that is found in one-half of the Gulf War veterans who

are sick " . The Dudley's claim that the military is responsible for the spread

of the illness into the civilian population. U. S. Representative Bob Filner

(D-CA) asked this same question of Bernard Rostker, Special Assistant

Secretary of Defense for Gulf War Illnesses, during a recent meeting of the U.

S. House of Representatives Committee on Veterans & rsquo; Affairs. " Is it

possible that any of our troops could have gotten what we call Persian Gulf

War Illness from our own inoculations, from our own testing, from our own

development of these kinds of weapons, in the Gulf or elsewhere? " . The

Pentagon's answer: We are going to need much more research, and it is going to

take a long time. For many Gulf War veterans and military recruits that were

used for illegal testing, they unfortunately can't wait years for help for

themselves and their sick family members.

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From: DSNurse Via: VET66A

Veterinary Colleges

Dear Concerned Service Members and Family Members,

An example of why this theme needs to be developed, and the Vet. assertion

needs to be debunked is that in the CT ANG we were told that the Cornell Vet

School had used this shot for years by our Medical Technician in a briefing to

all our personnel to show them the shot was safe and effective. One of our

pilots stood up and said, 'Oh yeah - I went to Cornell - and I know the Dean

of the Vet. school - and I called him - they do not use this vaccine.

" Silence. Now we have lost 25% of our pilot force due to this vaccine policy.

Our Commanders were entirely ill equipped to sell it to the troops.

Information they gave us was often challenged successfully and proven wrong.

They could not answer our questions and were rebuffed by higher HQ's when they

tried. In the end, the only justification for this policy was, 'we are

implementing DOD policy in the interest of force protection.' I hope we all

see an end to this inane policy soon so we can ebb the flow of America's

Service Members departing the military in ever increasing numbers. Keep the

faith,

Capt.

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[Guest guest]

The GAO study is NOT out yet. The Shays committee staff says maybe first of

next month!

DSNurse

[Guest guest]

If " they " want to say " it just came from the internet " , well here is my

reply. Does the FDA, DoD, WHO and newspapers have any credibility?

Where I went to school, professors encouraged us to use the internet for

research, but instructed us to be skeptical in our findings if the

website was not " official. " As far as I know, the FDA, DoD, WHO and

newspapers have " official " web sites. In addition, leaders in the

military, particularly the Navy, encourage their enlisted to check out

the web site of the DoD for questions and answers regarding the anthrax

vaccine. Also, when you have tireless people working towards a common

goal, ie. grass roots org., like , you know it is not a hoax.

People here spend many hours in their research not only online, but on

the phone! So, if you hear that garbage " that is just stuff on the

internet " you tell them to talk to some professors, lawmakers,

researchers, ect.!

Traci

bedlam3 wrote:

> The most comon line coming out of the leadership in rebuttal to any

> evidence offered is " that is just stuff he or she got off the

> internet, how can they know if it is the truth? " No new facts, just a

> misstrust of that new fangled technology.

>

> (no subject)

> Hi all!

>

> I just copied the " only known published journal study "

> (World Health Org., 1998) of a human anthrax vaccine trial

> (Brachman et al.,1962). Very interesting study. Seems to

> me that so many of the test subjects left the experiment (in

> one way or another) and that it is somewhat inconclusive.

> My question is this. The " vaccine was supplied by Dr. G.G.

> and associates of the US Army Chemical Corps, Fort

> Detrick, Frederick, Md. It was produced by growth of the

> RI-NP strain. RI-NP is a nonencapsulated, nonproteolytic

> mutant of the Vollum strain of B. anthracis. " In addition,

> the vaccine contains " 0.1 per cent aluminum potassium

> sulfate (alum). " Now, another study done more recently was

> conducted yet again at Fort Detrick with MDPH-PA in rhesus

> monkeys " using the Ames strain of aerosolized anthrax. " The

> current vaccine, anthrax vaccine adsorbed, contains 2.4 mg

> of AlOH, formaldehyde (not to exceed 0.02%) and benzethonium

> chloride (0.0025%). Notice for the current vaccine, I have

> no idea what strain is used to produce it!

>

> OK, according to the DOD and FDA, " the vaccine was licensed

> in 1970 according to a published study (that study being Dr.

> Brachman's). " The key word here is licensed - which

> vaccine? The RINP strain, the Ames strain or the anthrax

> vaccine adsorbed? Are they all considered the same? And if

> they are all considered the same, how come they performed

> differently in other tests cited by Dr. Nass? Therefore,

> what strain is included in the anthrax vaccine adsorbed - it

> does not say on the package label? And, is this particular

> vaccine the one that was licenced in 1970? If not, then

> this leaves us with the fact that the DOD is saying that the

> anthrax vaccine was indeed licenced in 1970 - but it does

> not specify which vaccine! Thus, the current vaccine is a

> " new investigational drug. " Are they relying on our

> intelligence to figure this one out?

>

> Somebody, please help me with this. I cant believe our

> government is treating their armed forces like this. Their

> web site on " the anthrax threat " (DOD), questions and

> answers, fact vs myth, is full of inconsistancies to what I

> have found.. And indeed on their " history of anthrax- more

> recently " section, the DoD states " Beginning in 1970 and

> continuing through today, the anthrax has been routinely

> administered to ALL PROFESSIONALS who MAY contact anthrax

> spores occupationally (veterinarians, laboratory workers,

> livestock handlers, etc.). " This is a blatent lie in

> accordance to what one list has found! I am

> outraged, frustrated and worried.

>

> Also, Has the GAO published the independent probe on the

> MBPI anthrax vaccine? It was due out early 1999.

>

> Thanks to all of you for your support

>

> Traci and York

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Nass:

Where can I obtain a copy of Kaufman's description of the two vaccines in

Pro-MED?

Also, the V770 strain used to produce the current vaccine (according to the

WHO), is that really the strain that was used when the human anthrax vaccine

was approved in 1970. And, can MBPI (now Biocorp or port) produce the

vaccine with any strain it wants to?

Does it matter which strain is used? Is it all the same? Information on

the strain used to produce the current human vaccine is available. Would

the military actually use the same strain to produce the vaccine? I am sure

Iraqi intelligence would pick up on that one real quick. I had no problem

obtaining " the current strain used to produce the human anthrax vaccine in

the US. " You think the current strain being used to produce the vaccine is

classified? And if so, how do they know its effectiveness and is that

particular strain " approved or licensed " by the FDA?

Thank you for your time,

Traci

Meryl Nass wrote:

> From: Meryl Nass <mnass@...>

>

> The Brachman study used one vaccine available in the late 50s. The FDA

> licensed another vaccine which used a different nonvirulent anthrax

> strain, using the Brachman data generated with the earlier vaccine. (Go

> figure.) The Ames strain is a virulent strain not used to make vaccines

> but used to test vaccine effectiveness.

>

> The GAO study is not estimated to be out until the early spring.

>

> Kaufman posted a description of the two vaccines in Pro-MED a year ago.

> --

> Meryl Nass, M.D.

> Parkview Hospital, Brunswick, Maine 04011

> email mnass@...

> phone (207) 865-0875

> fax (207) 865-6975

[Guest guest]

To all, please post .... this is a possible solution for our military

personnel. Thank you Young for your assistance and computer knowledge.

And to Lori Greenleaf, and all others who have the courage to present facts,

and not speculation. This most controversial problem, does have a solution, in

the interim, while permanent long lasting measures are awaited... Joe.

See: <A HREF= " http://members.aol.com/spur317b/joe-poe.html " >Subject:

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE " ANTHRAX " </A>

------------------------

[Guest guest]

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From: Eddington@...

DAVID.GREENLEAF@...; TRempfer@...

Cc: mnass@...; KERNLHANDY@...

Subject: (no subject)

Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 6:58 AM

The following Washington Post piece appeared yesterday. Check out the last

item...this was buried in the back of the newspaper.

Army to Discuss Digging For WWI Gas Canisters

By Steve Vogel

Washington Post Staff Writer

Thursday, February 4, 1999; Page J03

The Army's plans to dig for canisters of mustard or other

poisonous agents

left over from World War I in Northwest Washington are to

be

unveiled at

a meeting tonight, with many nervous neighbors expected

to

attend.

Officials from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers,

Baltimore

District, will

be on hand at Sibley Memorial Hospital to explain their

plan

to search for

canisters they believe may be buried underneath an

ornamental garden in

the back yard of the Korean ambassador's residence on

Glenbrook Road

in the Spring Valley neighborhood.

What they'll find nobody knows, but the planned

excavation

puts the

spotlight on a little-known but fascinating chapter in

the

Washington area's

military history: the American University Experiment

Station.

When America entered World War I in 1917, U.S. leaders

feared the

nation's military was utterly unprepared for mustard gas,

a

horrible new

weapon that had been introduced to the battlefield at

Ypres

in 1915 and

was to cause 400,000 casualties during the war.

Trustees at American University, which was then a largely

undeveloped

90-acre tract of land, offered their campus to the

government to use for

military preparations.

Part of the site became an engineer camp where more than

100,000

troops on their way to Europe trained for gas warfare.

The

rest was home

to the experiment station, where 1,200 chemists and

engineers studied

chemical weapons.

The Army embarked on a large-scale construction program

on

the campus

and other adjoining properties it leased, eventually

building about 164

structures and earthworks, including shacks, bomb pits,

trenches, a

munitions plant and a mustard shed. Clouds of mustard and

other gases

were released on animals, including dogs, goats, cats,

rabbits and guinea

pigs.

Changing of the Brass at s

s Air Force Base, where a new base commander

arrived

last

month, has a new senior enlisted man as well.

Command Chief Master Sgt. Francis R. Estevez will serve

as

the liaison

between enlisted personnel at the Prince 's County

installation and

the new base commander, Brig. Gen. Hawkins.

Estevez, 40, a native of the Dominican Republic who was

raised in New

York City, did not plan on a military career early in his

life. " I wasn't

supposed to be in the Air Force, " he told the base

newspaper. " My first

introduction to the military was Gomer Pyle. "

Meanwhile, at the Marine Barracks in Southeast

Washington,

the new

color sergeant of the Marine Corps officially took his

post

at a ceremony

Jan. 21.

Sgt. D. , of Union City, Tenn., became the

Corps'

27th color

sergeant, a position that requires him to carry the

presidential color at all

White House state functions, as well as to head the color

guard section,

which participates in more than 1,000 ceremonies

annually.

To reach this position, had to pass a number of

stringent tests, not

the least of which was that he stand at least 6 feet, 4

inches tall.

Balking at Anthrax Shots

What do members of the Connecticut National Guard know

about

anthrax

shots that their counterparts in the land Guard don't

know? Or is it

the other way around?

Officials with the land Air National Guard note with

pride that none

of the roughly 400 airmen it is deploying to Kuwait to

help

enforce the

" no-fly " zone over Iraq have refused to get the anthrax

vaccination, which

is intended to protect troops from a biological weapon

believed to be

harbored by Saddam Hussein.

By contrast, eight of 35 pilots from a Connecticut Air

National Guard

A-10 squadron also deploying to Kuwait refused to take

the

shot--a rather

stunning refusal rate of 23 percent.

Suspicions within the military about what side effects

the

vaccination might

carry have festered since 1997, when Defense Secretary

S. Cohen

ordered everyone in the U.S. military to receive the

shot.

The refusal by

the Connecticut pilots is one of the more telling

incidents

about how high

that suspicion remains in some circles.

Some " see it clearly as a threat to their health, " said

Col.

Walt Burns,

commander of the Connecticut air wing involved. Those who

refused the

shot have been grounded and have been asked to resign, he

added.

Thus far, about 250 members of the land Guard's 104th

Fighter

Squadron have deployed with A-10 Thunderbolts to Kuwait,

with most of

the remainder slated to leave in mid-February.

Military Matters appears every other Thursday. Steve

Vogel

can be

reached at vogels@... in e-mail.

© Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company

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[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I just saw a story on the news about People Magazine running a story on

Chelsea Clinton. They said the Pres. & Mrs. Clinton asked them not to run it

but they went ahead.

Sounds like they will run a story no matter who's toes they step on!

How about us writing People? We have Meck, Jim Green, Jeff Betterdorf

and the Connectticut Pilots!! We should also include M. Kipling of Canada.

It says People Online is available at Keyword: People.

I will try to find a snail-mail address also.

Graves

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Get me an address...and I will write them...email and snail mail if

possible. I will send a copy of whatever to the group so all will know what was

sent. I sincerely hope that all of you understand my position...I'm retired

military...and quite ill from this GWS/GWI whatever you want to call it... I

can-not legally tell someone to refuse the vaccine (goes against my military

background---also it presents sedition to mutiny)....but these kids have my

moral

support...and my prayers...

I do support actions such as the proposed Drugs and Informed Consent Act we

tried to push through congress last summer.(stop using the military as guinea

pigs)...we need to get this onto the floor in Congress again and see it

through....The only way to stop this train...is via the legal channals...take it

to the Govt to intervene...I know that may sound off the wall....but believe me,

it can be done.

Sincerely,

USMCMomm1@... wrote:

> From: USMCMomm1@...

>

> Hi All,

> I just saw a story on the news about People Magazine running a story on

> Chelsea Clinton. They said the Pres. & Mrs. Clinton asked them not to run it

> but they went ahead.

> Sounds like they will run a story no matter who's toes they step on!

> How about us writing People? We have Meck, Jim Green, Jeff Betterdorf

> and the Connectticut Pilots!! We should also include M. Kipling of Canada.

> It says People Online is available at Keyword: People.

> I will try to find a snail-mail address also.

> Graves

>

[Guest guest]

NADA, never asked for any of the three.

(no subject)

From: Rob & Traci York <robertyork@...>

Hi again,

Anyone who has taken the anthrax vaccine: DID YOU SIGN A PEICE OF PAPER

before you took the vaccine? If so, this could be of importance!!!!

Please let me know what you signed!!!!

Traci

[Guest guest]

Rob & Traci York wrote:

>

> From: Rob & Traci York <robertyork@...>

>

> Hi again,

>

> Anyone who has taken the anthrax vaccine: DID YOU SIGN A PEICE OF PAPER

> before you took the vaccine? If so, this could be of importance!!!!

> Please let me know what you signed!!!!

>

> Traci

>

My son went ahead and took the shot. He said he had to sign and date a

statement that he had read the phamphlet about Anthrax. He was not even

given the phamphlet to read.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Please do use background colors on email especially datk ones that are hard

to read!

[Guest guest]

No what I was saying refer to what they are saying here in Fed regs and direct

a FOIA to see what you uncover.

[Guest guest]

OK, thanks!

Traci

DSNurse@... wrote:

> From: DSNurse@...

>

> No what I was saying refer to what they are saying here in Fed regs and direct

> a FOIA to see what you uncover.

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Preparing For Invisible Killers

Smallpox and Anthrax Could Be Put to Work in Biological Warfare

(Washington Post, February 23, 1999, Health Section)

Even though the chances of a terrorist release of smallpox or anthrax in

the United States is small, the nation's public health community must be ready

for the possibility, Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala told a

Washington conference on the subject last week. She said increased government

funding is needed to train health workers and produce vaccines and drugs to

combat those and more conventional biological weapons.

[Guest guest]

Anthrax Veteran Claims Vaccine 'no Big Deal'

By Pfc. Cantu

MARINE CORPS AIR STATION YUMA, Ariz. (Feb 4) -- As a boy growing up on a

cattle ranch in , Idaho, 9-year-old Mark A. would often watch

his father, a veterinarian, give their cattle a variety of shots to protect

them from various diseases. While his father took the time to protect his

cattle, he also vaccinated his family against the fatal Anthrax bacteria

common to the livestock industry. That boy, now a Marine with Marine Aviation

Logistics Squadron-13, rubbed his arm and dashed off to explore the ranch,

forgetting all about the shot.

When Staff Sgt. Mark A. , MALS-13's substance abuse counselor, told

his mother recently that he was to get the Anthrax vaccination she reminded

him that he had already received the shot as a boy. As far as is

concerned, the reservations some service members have about the shot are

unfounded.

" I'm still here. I don't have any cancer. I'm not dying. It doesn't cause

sterility. And that's a fact - I have five children, " said . " It's

really no big deal. "

Since Secretary of Defense Cohen ordered all military personnel to

receive the Anthrax vaccination, controversy and fears have risen about the

vaccine's safety. Those concerns and fears are fueled by unsubstantiated

reports posted on the Internet or put forth by groups with their own agenda.

The vaccine was licensed by the Food and Drug Administration in 1970 after

years of extensive scientific experiments and tests which yielded no

conclusive evidence that the vaccine causes long-term side effects or health

problems. The vaccine has been administered to countless veterinarians,

laboratory workers and livestock workers for more than 20 years. Even Cohen

and the Commandant of the Marine Corps Gen. C. Krulak received the

vaccination.

It has been 34 years since received his first Anthrax shot, long

enough to prove to him that there are no long-term effects to worry about. Not

only is healthy and " very fertile, " his entire family has received the

vaccinations and are just as healthy.

" All my brothers and sisters are married and have children. We all have 10

toes and 10 fingers, " said . He said he has never heard of any health

problems with any of them.

While the deadly Bacillus Anthracis bacteria has been mostly eradicated in

the United States, military members are more likely to face a form of the

disease produced by hostile countries. Inhalation Anthrax is a man-made

biological weapon with the same horrible symptoms as the form that effects

livestock, said Lt. Cmdr. Heins, Marine Aircraft Group-13 group

surgeon.

According to Heins, within the first 24 hours of being exposed to Anthrax,

the victim might develop a slight fever, muscle pains, cough, chest pains and

malaise (not wanting to do anything). This initial phase is usually mistaken

as a common virus, which makes the early diagnosis and treatment of Anthrax

virtually impossible. Sometimes this initial phase is followed by a brief

recovery period.

The onset of worse symptoms will begin within 24 hours and includes

shortness of breath, wheezing caused by increased difficulty in breathing, and

internal bleeding that may flood the lungs, esophagus and the brain. At that

point the victim may begin to cough-up blood and to bleed from the ears, nose

and the eyes. The bleeding causes the victim to turn blue or black in color.

Sweating, a swelling of the chest area, seizures and severe shock from blood

loss also occur before the victim ultimately dies.

" It's a horrible death, " said Heins. " The victim's final agonizing days may

be worse than anything he or she has ever experienced ... and it's 100 percent

fatal. "

Other than a gas mask, a person's only real protection against Anthrax is

prior vaccination.

" We call it our biological flak jacket, " said Heins. " Just like a flak

jacket protects us from bullets, the vaccine protects us from Anthrax. "

Heins said there is no reason to fear this vaccine.

" The Anthrax vaccination is no different from any of the other vaccinations

we get, " said Heins.

While has no reservations about the vaccine, he understands why

people have concerns.

" We as Marines today are being told all of a sudden here's a new shot that

we have to get and that's where all the fear comes in, " said .

will be retiring from the Marine Corps in December and his plans may

include returning to Idaho and the way of life in which he was raised. And

just as his daddy did for him on that small cattle ranch more than 30 years

ago, said he plans to protect his own family.

" I'm going to get it, my children are going to get it and my wife is going

to get it, " said . " I truly believe in my heart that it's a good thing. "

[Guest guest]

Alright, well, I'm gonna do my best, from my knowledge, to rip this article

apart, and please let me know if I am incorrect in saying anything.

Anthrax Veteran Claims Vaccine 'no Big Deal'

By Pfc. Cantu

MARINE CORPS AIR STATION YUMA, Ariz. (Feb 4) -- As a boy growing up on a

cattle ranch in , Idaho, 9-year-old Mark A. would often watch

his father, a veterinarian, give their cattle a variety of shots to protect

them from various diseases. While his father took the time to protect his

cattle, he also vaccinated his family against the fatal Anthrax bacteria

common to the livestock industry. That boy, now a Marine with Marine Aviation

Logistics Squadron-13, rubbed his arm and dashed off to explore the ranch,

forgetting all about the shot.

When Staff Sgt. Mark A. , MALS-13's substance abuse counselor, told

his mother recently that he was to get the Anthrax vaccination she reminded

him that he had already received the shot as a boy. As far as is

concerned, the reservations some service members have about the shot are

unfounded. - Even though we have government documents that prove there are

problems!!

" I'm still here. I don't have any cancer. I'm not dying. It doesn't cause

sterility. And that's a fact - I have five children, " said . " It's

really no big deal. " - He doesn't have any problems YET!!!

Since Secretary of Defense Cohen ordered all military personnel to

receive the Anthrax vaccination, controversy and fears have risen about the

vaccine's safety. Those concerns and fears are fueled by unsubstantiated -

Again, what about our documents??

reports posted on the Internet - What about government reports posted on the

Internet??? or put forth by groups with their own agenda.

The vaccine was licensed by the Food and Drug Administration in 1970 after

years of extensive scientific experiments and tests which yielded no

conclusive evidence that the vaccine causes long-term side effects or health

problems. - Where is the conclusive evidence??? I haven't seen it. And is it

the same vaccine used today that was approved by the FDA??? I doubt it. The

vaccine has been administered to countless veterinarians,

laboratory workers and livestock workers for more than 20 years. - Where are

those documents??

Even Cohen and the Commandant of the Marine Corps Gen. C. Krulak

received the vaccination. - So?? What does that prove??

It has been 34 years since received his first Anthrax shot, long

enough to prove to him that there are no long-term effects to worry about. Not

only is healthy and " very fertile, " his entire family has received the

vaccinations and are just as healthy. - Yeah, but what about the rest of his

life??

" All my brothers and sisters are married and have children. We all have 10

toes and 10 fingers, " said . He said he has never heard of any health

problems with any of them. - Again, he should have stressed YET.

While the deadly Bacillus Anthracis bacteria has been mostly eradicated in

the United States, military members are more likely to face a form of the

disease produced by hostile countries. - But the threat from hostile

countries has been around forever

Inhalation Anthrax is a man-made biological weapon with the same horrible

symptoms as the form that effects livestock, said Lt. Cmdr. Heins,

Marine Aircraft Group-13 group surgeon.

According to Heins, within the first 24 hours of being exposed to Anthrax,

the victim might develop a slight fever, muscle pains, cough, chest pains and

malaise (not wanting to do anything). This initial phase is usually mistaken

as a common virus, which makes the early diagnosis and treatment of Anthrax

virtually impossible. Sometimes this initial phase is followed by a brief

recovery period. - What about the side-effects associated with the vaccine??

Gullian-Barre Syndrome, etc.

The onset of worse symptoms will begin within 24 hours and includes

shortness of breath, wheezing caused by increased difficulty in breathing, and

internal bleeding that may flood the lungs, esophagus and the brain. At that

point the victim may begin to cough-up blood and to bleed from the ears, nose

and the eyes. The bleeding causes the victim to turn blue or black in color.

Sweating, a swelling of the chest area, seizures and severe shock from blood

loss also occur before the victim ultimately dies.

" It's a horrible death, " said Heins. " The victim's final agonizing days may

be worse than anything he or she has ever experienced ... and it's 100 percent

fatal. " - I'd rather have a quick 4 day death, than a slow debilitating death,

like the one that could be associated with the vaccine.

Other than a gas mask, a person's only real protection against Anthrax is

prior vaccination. - Aren't they forgetting about antibiotics??

" We call it our biological flak jacket, " said Heins. " Just like a flak

jacket protects us from bullets, the vaccine protects us from Anthrax. " -

Yeah, that is assuming that the enemy is using the Ames strain, right??

Heins said there is no reason to fear this vaccine. - Yeah, sure.

" The Anthrax vaccination is no different from any of the other vaccinations

we get, " said Heins. - So maybe we should refuse those too.

While has no reservations about the vaccine, he understands why

people have concerns.

" We as Marines today are being told all of a sudden here's a new shot that

we have to get and that's where all the fear comes in, " said . - No, the

fear comes in when we have found proof that a myriad of problems exist with

the vaccine.

will be retiring from the Marine Corps in December and his plans may

include returning to Idaho and the way of life in which he was raised. And

just as his daddy did for him on that small cattle ranch more than 30 years

ago, said he plans to protect his own family. - Well, good luck, I

don't know how his family will be in the future, but I know mine will be fine.

" I'm going to get it, my children are going to get it and my wife is going

to get it, " said . " I truly believe in my heart that it's a good thing. "

- Maybe he should recheck his heart??

[Guest guest]

Gees I am only posting what I find so you all can know

[Guest guest]

Ok I'll play. If he took his first anthrax shot 34 years ago what was he

taking. This shot was only licensed in 1970's right? Let's see 99 minus 34

equals 65 right, or is this some new kind of math that only the DoD

understands. Come on folks if you are going to write BS at least don't

leave holes in it big enough to cruise a nuclear carrier through.

Something smells to me. On the other hand I'm only reading a story right.

Re: (no subject)

From: Bbur364@...

Alright, well, I'm gonna do my best, from my knowledge, to rip this article

apart, and please let me know if I am incorrect in saying anything.

Anthrax Veteran Claims Vaccine 'no Big Deal'

By Pfc. Cantu

MARINE CORPS AIR STATION YUMA, Ariz. (Feb 4) -- As a boy growing up on a

cattle ranch in , Idaho, 9-year-old Mark A. would often watch

his father, a veterinarian, give their cattle a variety of shots to protect

them from various diseases. While his father took the time to protect his

cattle, he also vaccinated his family against the fatal Anthrax bacteria

common to the livestock industry. That boy, now a Marine with Marine

Aviation

Logistics Squadron-13, rubbed his arm and dashed off to explore the ranch,

forgetting all about the shot.... "

[Guest guest]

Ok I'll play. If he took his first anthrax shot 34 years ago what was he

taking. This shot was only licensed in 1970's right? Let's see 99 minus 34

equals 65 right, or is this some new kind of math that only the DoD

understands. Come on folks if you are going to write BS at least don't

leave holes in it big enough to cruise a nuclear carrier through.

Something smells to me. On the other hand I'm only reading a story right.

Re: (no subject)

From: Bbur364@...

Alright, well, I'm gonna do my best, from my knowledge, to rip this article

apart, and please let me know if I am incorrect in saying anything.

Anthrax Veteran Claims Vaccine 'no Big Deal'

By Pfc. Cantu

MARINE CORPS AIR STATION YUMA, Ariz. (Feb 4) -- As a boy growing up on a

cattle ranch in , Idaho, 9-year-old Mark A. would often watch

his father, a veterinarian, give their cattle a variety of shots to protect

them from various diseases. While his father took the time to protect his

cattle, he also vaccinated his family against the fatal Anthrax bacteria

common to the livestock industry. That boy, now a Marine with Marine

Aviation

Logistics Squadron-13, rubbed his arm and dashed off to explore the ranch,

forgetting all about the shot.... "

[Guest guest]

I wasn't meaning anything towards you DSNurse, by any means, I was just merely

ripping it to shreds

[Guest guest]

I read a report put out by Great Britain regarding the anthrax vaccine, and

they claim most vaccines have a two year shelf life. Does anyone know if that

is true?

[Guest guest]

Is this shot that this guy got 34 YEARS ago, that his dad gave to the

ANIMALS and to his family the same vaccine that military members are

getting today?

---DSNurse@... wrote:

>

> Anthrax Veteran Claims Vaccine 'no Big Deal'

> By Pfc. Cantu

> MARINE CORPS AIR STATION YUMA, Ariz. (Feb 4) -- As a boy growing

up on a

> cattle ranch in , Idaho, 9-year-old Mark A. would

often watch

> his father, a veterinarian, give their cattle a variety of shots to

protect

> them from various diseases. While his father took the time to

protect his

> cattle, he also vaccinated his family against the fatal Anthrax

bacteria

> common to the livestock industry. That boy, now a Marine with Marine

Aviation

[Guest guest]

Hello, here!! Has anyone in the govt ever heard of another HUMAN BEINGS

rights??? I guess we just don't count: our opinions, our own bodies... what

is this world coming to? I thought the U.S. stood for freedom of CHOICE!!! i

guess a lot of us were wrong on that one!