Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 That's so sad, Kate. I admire your courage, though. I probably would have gone along with the crowd even if I absolutely knew I was right because of *fear*... Kate Gladstone wrote: > Re: > > > The only thing I still have a hard time with is poor translation of > foreign > > books and films. You'd think that those who have translation as a > profession > > would actually KNOW they language they are working with. > > A related story: > Many, many years ago (well, about 25 or 30 years ago) when I > belonged to the Girl Scouts, our troop would vote on which > merit-badges we wanted to earn next. Once, the troop voted that we > would all work together to earn the " International Understanding " > merit badge (or some such name - I do not remember the exact name). > The requirements included saying or writing the phrase " Girl Scout " in > a foreign language. > We had about ten or fifteen girls in the troop. The girls > (except for me) and the scoutmistress decided we could easily > " fulfill " this requirement by looking up, in some foreign-language > dictionary, a translation for the word " girl " and a translation for > the word " scout " and then just putting them together in that order. > When I pointed out that this simply didn't work in the non-English > languages that I happened to know at the time (most of the world's > languages don't happen to organize words into sentences in just > exactly the same way that English organizes them), the scoutmistress > (who, like most of the girls, spoke only English) said " It's obviously > silly to say that 'girl' plus 'scout' wouldn't work in another > language - how could it possibly be something different? - but let's > vote on it because that's the fair way. " The majority won - ten or > fifteen to one - because everyone but me agreed with the scoutmistress > that I had a " silly " objection here, that of course " girl " + " scout " > HAD to equal 'Girl Scout' (even though actually it doesn't). I talked > to the scoutmistress after the meeting, and offered to bring in any > evidence she might like to see that 'girl' + 'scout' would not always > make sense internationally. She didn't want to see it - I didn't get > my " International Understanding " merit-badge because I refused to lie > about how you say " Girl Scout " in another language - and my " bad > attitude " (as shown by refusal to obey in this matter) had bad > consequences for me thereafter in the group. The scoutmistress saw me > as unrespectful and stupid (even though she admitted I had raised my > concern in a very polite way), and the other girls saw me as stupid. > (One of the other girls - a sister of mine - knew a bit of French, in > which you definitely do not get anything understandable as " Girl > Scout " by sticking " girl " in front of " scout. " After the meeting, she > agreed with me that, true, the scoutmistress and the girls had a > pretty wrong idea of how to do the task that the merit-badge > requirements set for them here ... true, she admitted, I had it right > and they had it wrong ... BUT she had voted against me, all the same > 'because the important thing is to fit the group " so she had > pretended not to see anything wrong with " girl " + " scout " = " Girl Scout " > because, as she quite plainly stated, she wanted to get those > merit-badges and have fun with all the others and wouldn't do anything > (including telling the truth) that would sabotage this by annoying the > scoutmistress or the other girls. " Why don't you ever have enough > sense, " she asked after the meeting, " to keep your mouth shut about > the truth when the truth isn't popular? Sure, I know a Scout promises > to be honest and helpful, and maybe pointing out a problem was being > honest and helpful because you're right and there really was something > wrong, but pointing it out is wrong too because now you don't have any > friends here including me, and now some of the other girls will stop > being friends with me because of you - and that's not helping, that's > hurting! We joined to make friends, not just to be honest. You could > be honest sitting in your room alone at home, so WHAT ON EARTH IS > WRONG WITH YOU?! " ) > > ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! > > > Yours for better letters, > Kate Gladstone > Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest > handwritingrepair@... > http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair > 325 South Manning Boulevard > Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA > telephone 518/482-6763 > AND REMEMBER ... > you can order books through my site! > (Amazon.com link - > I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold) > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, > support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in > the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Wow. Tom had something like that happen to him in school, if I remember correctly, and I'm sure he's not the only Aspie who got into trouble for knowing more than a revered authority, and making he mistake of letting it show. I had a similar problem with the publisher of some hylozoic books that he was translating into English. I offered to help proof-read them and he let me try a few pages. Much to my surprise they were not very well translated at all, but contained just such mistakes as you mention due to him mainly knowing the words, not how the language is USED. Problem was that he was considered a genius on languages (and probably is, just not at English) so the mere notion that he should need correction for sentence composition & whole phrases and not just the odd typo was unthinkable both in his own mind and in everyone else's. After I handed him my proofread test-manuscript full of red corrections, he politely declined my further assistance. He would rather have the finished book as it is now - full of stupid-looking errors - than let anyone else correct him. :-( Inger Re: Corrections (was: Nick & Kate) Re: > The only thing I still have a hard time with is poor translation of > foreign > books and films. You'd think that those who have translation as a > profession > would actually KNOW they language they are working with. A related story: Many, many years ago (well, about 25 or 30 years ago) when I belonged to the Girl Scouts, our troop would vote on which merit-badges we wanted to earn next. Once, the troop voted that we would all work together to earn the " International Understanding " merit badge (or some such name - I do not remember the exact name). The requirements included saying or writing the phrase " Girl Scout " in a foreign language. We had about ten or fifteen girls in the troop. The girls (except for me) and the scoutmistress decided we could easily " fulfill " this requirement by looking up, in some foreign-language dictionary, a translation for the word " girl " and a translation for the word " scout " and then just putting them together in that order. When I pointed out that this simply didn't work in the non-English languages that I happened to know at the time (most of the world's languages don't happen to organize words into sentences in just exactly the same way that English organizes them), the scoutmistress (who, like most of the girls, spoke only English) said " It's obviously silly to say that 'girl' plus 'scout' wouldn't work in another language - how could it possibly be something different? - but let's vote on it because that's the fair way. " The majority won - ten or fifteen to one - because everyone but me agreed with the scoutmistress that I had a " silly " objection here, that of course " girl " + " scout " HAD to equal 'Girl Scout' (even though actually it doesn't). I talked to the scoutmistress after the meeting, and offered to bring in any evidence she might like to see that 'girl' + 'scout' would not always make sense internationally. She didn't want to see it - I didn't get my " International Understanding " merit-badge because I refused to lie about how you say " Girl Scout " in another language - and my " bad attitude " (as shown by refusal to obey in this matter) had bad consequences for me thereafter in the group. The scoutmistress saw me as unrespectful and stupid (even though she admitted I had raised my concern in a very polite way), and the other girls saw me as stupid. (One of the other girls - a sister of mine - knew a bit of French, in which you definitely do not get anything understandable as " Girl Scout " by sticking " girl " in front of " scout. " After the meeting, she agreed with me that, true, the scoutmistress and the girls had a pretty wrong idea of how to do the task that the merit-badge requirements set for them here ... true, she admitted, I had it right and they had it wrong ... BUT she had voted against me, all the same 'because the important thing is to fit the group " so she had pretended not to see anything wrong with " girl " + " scout " = " Girl Scout " because, as she quite plainly stated, she wanted to get those merit-badges and have fun with all the others and wouldn't do anything (including telling the truth) that would sabotage this by annoying the scoutmistress or the other girls. " Why don't you ever have enough sense, " she asked after the meeting, " to keep your mouth shut about the truth when the truth isn't popular? Sure, I know a Scout promises to be honest and helpful, and maybe pointing out a problem was being honest and helpful because you're right and there really was something wrong, but pointing it out is wrong too because now you don't have any friends here including me, and now some of the other girls will stop being friends with me because of you - and that's not helping, that's hurting! We joined to make friends, not just to be honest. You could be honest sitting in your room alone at home, so WHAT ON EARTH IS WRONG WITH YOU?! " ) ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest handwritingrepair@... http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair 325 South Manning Boulevard Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA telephone 518/482-6763 AND REMEMBER ... you can order books through my site! (Amazon.com link - I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold) FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Re: > [Toni:] ... I admire your courage ... I don't see my actions as courageous - I see them merely as necessary in order to keep promises I had sworn, only a few months earlier, in the presence of this same scoutmistress and these same scouts (promises beginning with " ... to be honest, to be fair, to help where I am needed ... " ) As I saw it, " honesty " required honesty about the task at hand. " Fairness " (as I saw it) included fairness to the people we would have to communicate with: which includes learning a bit of their language as *they* speak it, not as we might have imagined that they might speak it. " Helping where I am needed " in my opinion could not exclude providing important/useful information (for doing a task that we all wanted to do) that I happened to have and that they did not yet have. Courage (another thing that Girl Scouts promise - " A Scout is brave " ) didn't even come into it. In fact, nobody present (including myself) regarded my words as brave. Others saw my words as stupid, and I saw my words as necessary. I would no more call myself " brave " (or anything else very special and virtuous) than I would call myself " brave " for adding 2+2 and getting 4. Remember that, when I spoke up to offer the correct information, I had no idea (at that moment) that anyone would ridicule or outvote me for providing the correct info. So you cannot call me " brave " just for giving the information. If I had known beforehand, somehow, that everyone would hate me for doing this, then perhaps you could call me " brave " in some sense - but not above some minimum expectable level of bravery (necessary to keep my promise that I had made in front of these same people who somehow now did not even care about their own promises " to be honest, to be fair, " etc.) Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest handwritingrepair@... http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair 325 South Manning Boulevard Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA telephone 518/482-6763 AND REMEMBER ... you can order books through my site! (Amazon.com link - I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 In *my* mind what you did that was courageous was standing up and speaking up when you were the ONLY one who disagreed with the majority.Not that it was *literally* courageous. I would have 'gone along with the crowd' out of FEAR. I guess I would have been like the girl that knew you were right but didn't say anything because she wanted to fit in. Which doesn't make it right or *fair* just the way I would have done and I found it courageous* that you did what was RIGHT even though it was not going along with the crowd. That's all, Kate. That you were true to yourself and your beliefs. We had about ten or fifteen girls in the troop. The girls(except for me) and the scoutmistress decided we could easily"fulfill" this requirement by looking up, in some foreign-languagedictionary, a translation for the word "girl" and a translation forthe word "scout" and then just putting them together in that order.When I pointed out that this simply didn't work in the non-Englishlanguages that I happened to know at the time (most of the world'slanguages don't happen to organize words into sentences in justexactly the same way that English organizes them), the scoutmistress(who, like most of the girls, spoke only English) said "It's obviouslysilly to say that 'girl' plus 'scout' wouldn't work in anotherlanguage - how could it possibly be something different? - but let'svote on it because that's the fair way." The majority won - ten orfifteen to one - because everyone but me agreed with the scoutmistressthat I had a "silly" objection here, that of course "girl" + "scout"HAD to equal 'Girl Scout' (even though actually it doesn't). I talkedto the scoutmistress after the meeting, and offered to bring in anyevidence she might like to see that 'girl' + 'scout' would not alwaysmake sense internationally. She didn't want to see it - I didn't getmy "International Understanding" merit-badge because I refused to lieabout how you say "Girl Scout" in another language - and my "badattitude" (as shown by refusal to obey in this matter) had badconsequences for me thereafter in the group. The scoutmistress saw meas unrespectful and stupid (even though she admitted I had raised myconcern in a very polite way), and the other girls saw me as stupid.(One of the other girls - a sister of mine - knew a bit of French, inwhich you definitely do not get anything understandable as "GirlScout" by sticking "girl" in front of "scout." After the meeting, sheagreed with me that, true, the scoutmistress and the girls had apretty wrong idea of how to do the task that the merit-badgerequirements set for them here ... true, she admitted, I had it rightand they had it wrong ... BUT she had voted against me, all the same'because the important thing is to fit the group" so she hadpretended not to see anything wrong with "girl"+"scout"="Girl Scout"because, as she quite plainly stated, she wanted to get thosemerit-badges and have fun with all the others and wouldn't do anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Well, thank you, Toni! ;-) Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest handwritingrepair@... http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair 325 South Manning Boulevard Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA telephone 518/482-6763 AND REMEMBER ... you can order books through my site! (Amazon.com link - I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 That's right, take the compliment and say thanks and leave it at that. I have a horrible time taking compliments and not somehow 'negating' them. Kate Gladstone wrote: > Well, thank you, Toni! > > ;-) > > > Yours for better letters, > Kate Gladstone > Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest > handwritingrepair@... > http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair > 325 South Manning Boulevard > Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA > telephone 518/482-6763 > AND REMEMBER ... > you can order books through my site! > (Amazon.com link - > I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold) > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, > support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in > the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 1. There is no MF59 and no squalene in the Gardasil vaccine for young girls that was just licensed. No licensed vaccines in the US contain MF59. Plenty of trials have been conducted with MF59-containing vaccines, but not a single one has received a license, so far. 2. Simply reporting a death to VAERS that you believe was due to anthrax vaccine (and I have reported two) does not mean that the vaccine definitely caused the death. What it does mean is that FDA is required to " investigate " the report, which usually means a nurse working for an FDA contractor calls the person who made the report, or sends a letter requesting additional information. Then FDA-CDC VAERS personnel make a judgment call (guess) as to whether the illness was due to the vaccine, and whether further investigation needs to be done. The problem with trying to link the deaths to the vaccine is first, that the adverse event profile of the vaccine has not been studied in a randomized, prospective clinical trial (with the possible exception of the ongoing CDC trial that has not been reported on yet) and second, that there were many different causes of deaths. Had everyone died of liver failure, a very rare event in those for whom no other cause can be found, it would be easy to say anthrax vaccine causes liver failure. Keep watching for news from the CDC trial, which began in 2002 and was supposed to be completed in 42 months. Be sure to analyze the original data, since spin is likely what will be presented to the media. Meryl Meryl Nass, MD Mount Desert Island Hospital Bar Harbor, Maine 04609 207 288-5081 ext. 220 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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