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Dr. Duffy,

You have made very good points here. It seems we're on the same page, but I

don't know how you could draw a conclusion that I think there is such thing

as a useful vaccine from what I wrote. I thought I made it very clear that I

believe all vaccines to be worthless and useless. There is nothing lurking

in my subsconscious that believes otherwise. There is no such thing as a

safe vaccine and there never will be one. I agree that we should call the

criminal quacks what they are. I was referring to the parents making the

vaccine decisions as I thought this was who you were referring to. I don't

think of THEM as fools and idiots. Most parents only want to do the best

thing for their children and have been inundated with propaganda from the

medical industry quacks. What we need to give them is clear, concise,

accurate information about the cons of vaccines and do it in a way that gets

their attention. That's what I strive to do. Yes we need to be strong in our

message, but we need to also present it in a way that they (the parents)

will listen and not turn away. That's what I meant when I used the term

" counterproductive " .

I honor and appreciate the work you are doing.

Peace,

Jane Sheppard

Future Generations

Publisher of Healthy Child Newsletter

Vital Information to Protect Your Children's Health

http://www.healthychild.com

> Message: 21

> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 06:48:28 -0800

> From: " Sandy Mintz " <sandym@...>

> Subject: FW: This comment deserves comment....

>

>

>

> This comment deserves comment....

>

>

> The following comment pertinent to " counterproductive " activity

> deserves the light of day.

>

> one of the ladies (apparently) involved in the fight against

> vaccines wrote:

> The children are innocent in all this. If their parents choose to

> have them

> vaccinated out of fear or whatever reason (calling them idiots or fools is

> counterproductive), the children need whatever help they can get.

>

> My comment (using the terms idiot and fools) was in re to the possible use

> of

> smallpox and/or anthrax vaccinations in the face of the current terrorist

> threat.

>

> Let me point out quickly, and the reader should get this point,

> that anyone

> who

> would remotely consider a vaccine for ANYTHING, much less, smallpox or

> anthrax would be the person indulging in counterproductive behavior.

>

> Odd that this situation brings out the fact that lurking deep within the

> souls of

> some of these antivaccinationists (if indeed, that's what they

> are!) is the

> idea that

> there is such a thing as a USEFUL VACCINE which of course is an absurdity.

>

> Were I a propagandist for the vaccine manufacturers I would be

> quick to hop

> on that

> point and use it to the extreme to demonstrate that these people

> after all,

> look to

> vaccines to protect themselves.

>

> I will not address the background mentality of those who even

> consider such

> a

> thing, for one cannot help wonder about the mixed up belief system of

> someone

> who would even entertain such a notion!

>

> With all due respect to the lady who made the comment, (and I do have the

> utmost respect for her being engaged in our fight against

> criminal medicine

> and pray that she will continue her activity in that direction) the idea

> that strong

> language is counterproductive is baseless in view of the fact that polite

> talk over

> the past fifty or so years has resulted in:

> 1. a steady increase of vaccines threatening the health of our

> children and

> 2. an antivaccine group that, of all things, now supports the notion that

> there is

> such a thing as a SAFE VACCINE for God's sake! This is really the greatest

> triumph of the vaccine manufacturers that there is, after all, the

> possibility of

> developing a vaccine that is safe. GOD HELP US!!

>

> This situation brings up three more points for discussion:

> 1. How could anything that we say be counterproductive if we have not yet

> been

> productive?

> 2. If we do not step up the rhetoric and call these people what they are,

> medical

> quacks and/or bureacratic criminals the criminal nature of what they are

> doing will

> never surface and see the light of day.

> 3. Squabbling amongst ourselves doesn't help, especially this notion of

> counterproductive

> activity - this idea has been bandied about for fifty years and is at the

> root of the

> failure to get the monkey off our backs.

>

> The question of proper public behavior and the admonitions of

> those who have

> been

> leading this fight for the past fifty years have to be set aside, sorry

> about that.

> They have failed miserably, we now have:

> 1. over tweny vaccines threatening our children

> 2. the federal government blackmailing school officials to force them to

> pressure

> parent to vaccinate their children

> 3. professional lobbyists going about the states convincing state

> legislators to

> MANDATE vaccines.

>

> It is true that one must conduct oneself in a civilized manner at

> all times.

> It is also true that one must tell the truth at all times

> (except, of course

> those

> times when a well intentioned lie is preferable to mischief

> provoking truth,

> e.g,

> " my what a beautiful bride, baby, dress, hat, whatever..... " )

>

> There comes a time when the civilized thing to do is to stand up and

> intelligently

> describe what is taking place. As Orwell said, If the mind can distort

> language then

> language can distort the mind. From all outward appearances this

> phenomenon

> has

> already taken place amongst antivaccinationists.

>

> It's time to drop the polite rhetoric and the euphemisms and accurately

> describe what

> is taking place in our country at the hands of arrogant, criminal, medical

> bastards (a phrase used by an Australian lady recently in a

> private email to

> me).

>

> These arrogant, scientifically disoriented, stupid, orthodox

> medicine-peddling

> bastards have never felt any heat. How would they feel with a charge of

> criminal conspiracy

> to poison our children?

>

> How would they feel with a charge of criminal medical quackery.

>

> How would they feel if they were told that anyone injecting a foreign

> protein into a

> newborn infant belonged in jail, not in practice? Have they not

> heard about

> the

> improvement in the Japanese birth/death rate after stopping that for God's

> sake?

> Have they not heard of the drop in the Australian SIDS rate after stopping

> that for

> God's sake?

>

> Come on people, these vaccine users are criminals, or are looking

> the other

> way and indirectly supporting criminals, they are NOT physicians. They are

> arrogant, criminally stupid, money grubbing criminals!

>

> STOP BEING POLITE TO THESE COMMON CRIMINALS!

>

> An antivaccinationist should be intimately familiar with the following:

> 1. There is no such thing as a safe vaccine.

> 2. Every vaccine is a form of russian roulette.

> 3. Every vaccine is an insult to the immune system

> 4. In keeping with the Nuremberg principles, no human should be forced

> to submit to ANY medical procedure against their will.

> 5. Any law that supports or insists upon MANDATORY MEDICINE in any

> form must be repealed and/or declared null and void.

> 6. A special law must be written in EVERY STATE OF THE UNION that

> FORBIDS, ever again, any law insisting upon any MANDATORY MEDICAL

> TREATMENT of any type, with the exception of QUARANTINE in the unlikely

> event of an epidemic.

> 7. That no citizen ever be required to PUT INTO WRITING any refusal to

> comply

> with any unwanted MANDATORY MEDICAL TREATMENT. The requirement for

> putting a refusal in writing is simply the first step in the

> wrong direction

> and would

> lead to other requirements - this is the automatic functioning of

> government.

> 8. The citizen must be made to realize that the government is NEVER your

> friend

> the government is your WORST ENEMY.

> 9. All of the great crimes in history against humanity (such as

> the present

> crime of

> medical quacks who inject infants with foreign proteins) have

> been committed

> at

> the behest of governments, not individuals. Your neighbor might be able to

> commit

> a crime against you but not against an entire nation, only governments can

> do that

> and they have, throughout history in case you haven't checked.

> 10. Finally, we have to all work in our own best interest, unobstructed by

> government

> and when we do that, we all benefit and the society is peaceful.

> In case you

> didn't

> know what that is, it is the activity of a free market, and a free market

> can only exist

> in a true constitutional republic, it cannot exist in a democracy

> - and when

> you come

> to understand the meaning of that last comment you will have arrived and

> will be able

> to become a truly useful citizen.

>

> Join us in the fight to rid ourselves of this modern day plague of quack

> medicine.

> Dr H Duffy Sr

> Geneva, Ohio

>

>

>

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Jane, Do you want me to forward this just to Dr. Duffy (or did you blind

copy it to him already)? Or to the whole group. Thanks, Sandy

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

This comment deserves comment....

>

>

> The following comment pertinent to " counterproductive " activity

> deserves the light of day.

>

> one of the ladies (apparently) involved in the fight against

> vaccines wrote:

> The children are innocent in all this. If their parents choose to

> have them

> vaccinated out of fear or whatever reason (calling them idiots or fools is

> counterproductive), the children need whatever help they can get.

>

> My comment (using the terms idiot and fools) was in re to the possible use

> of

> smallpox and/or anthrax vaccinations in the face of the current terrorist

> threat.

>

> Let me point out quickly, and the reader should get this point,

> that anyone

> who

> would remotely consider a vaccine for ANYTHING, much less, smallpox or

> anthrax would be the person indulging in counterproductive behavior.

>

> Odd that this situation brings out the fact that lurking deep within the

> souls of

> some of these antivaccinationists (if indeed, that's what they

> are!) is the

> idea that

> there is such a thing as a USEFUL VACCINE which of course is an absurdity.

>

> Were I a propagandist for the vaccine manufacturers I would be

> quick to hop

> on that

> point and use it to the extreme to demonstrate that these people

> after all,

> look to

> vaccines to protect themselves.

>

> I will not address the background mentality of those who even

> consider such

> a

> thing, for one cannot help wonder about the mixed up belief system of

> someone

> who would even entertain such a notion!

>

> With all due respect to the lady who made the comment, (and I do have the

> utmost respect for her being engaged in our fight against

> criminal medicine

> and pray that she will continue her activity in that direction) the idea

> that strong

> language is counterproductive is baseless in view of the fact that polite

> talk over

> the past fifty or so years has resulted in:

> 1. a steady increase of vaccines threatening the health of our

> children and

> 2. an antivaccine group that, of all things, now supports the notion that

> there is

> such a thing as a SAFE VACCINE for God's sake! This is really the greatest

> triumph of the vaccine manufacturers that there is, after all, the

> possibility of

> developing a vaccine that is safe. GOD HELP US!!

>

> This situation brings up three more points for discussion:

> 1. How could anything that we say be counterproductive if we have not yet

> been

> productive?

> 2. If we do not step up the rhetoric and call these people what they are,

> medical

> quacks and/or bureacratic criminals the criminal nature of what they are

> doing will

> never surface and see the light of day.

> 3. Squabbling amongst ourselves doesn't help, especially this notion of

> counterproductive

> activity - this idea has been bandied about for fifty years and is at the

> root of the

> failure to get the monkey off our backs.

>

> The question of proper public behavior and the admonitions of

> those who have

> been

> leading this fight for the past fifty years have to be set aside, sorry

> about that.

> They have failed miserably, we now have:

> 1. over tweny vaccines threatening our children

> 2. the federal government blackmailing school officials to force them to

> pressure

> parent to vaccinate their children

> 3. professional lobbyists going about the states convincing state

> legislators to

> MANDATE vaccines.

>

> It is true that one must conduct oneself in a civilized manner at

> all times.

> It is also true that one must tell the truth at all times

> (except, of course

> those

> times when a well intentioned lie is preferable to mischief

> provoking truth,

> e.g,

> " my what a beautiful bride, baby, dress, hat, whatever..... " )

>

> There comes a time when the civilized thing to do is to stand up and

> intelligently

> describe what is taking place. As Orwell said, If the mind can distort

> language then

> language can distort the mind. From all outward appearances this

> phenomenon

> has

> already taken place amongst antivaccinationists.

>

> It's time to drop the polite rhetoric and the euphemisms and accurately

> describe what

> is taking place in our country at the hands of arrogant, criminal, medical

> bastards (a phrase used by an Australian lady recently in a

> private email to

> me).

>

> These arrogant, scientifically disoriented, stupid, orthodox

> medicine-peddling

> bastards have never felt any heat. How would they feel with a charge of

> criminal conspiracy

> to poison our children?

>

> How would they feel with a charge of criminal medical quackery.

>

> How would they feel if they were told that anyone injecting a foreign

> protein into a

> newborn infant belonged in jail, not in practice? Have they not

> heard about

> the

> improvement in the Japanese birth/death rate after stopping that for God's

> sake?

> Have they not heard of the drop in the Australian SIDS rate after stopping

> that for

> God's sake?

>

> Come on people, these vaccine users are criminals, or are looking

> the other

> way and indirectly supporting criminals, they are NOT physicians. They are

> arrogant, criminally stupid, money grubbing criminals!

>

> STOP BEING POLITE TO THESE COMMON CRIMINALS!

>

> An antivaccinationist should be intimately familiar with the following:

> 1. There is no such thing as a safe vaccine.

> 2. Every vaccine is a form of russian roulette.

> 3. Every vaccine is an insult to the immune system

> 4. In keeping with the Nuremberg principles, no human should be forced

> to submit to ANY medical procedure against their will.

> 5. Any law that supports or insists upon MANDATORY MEDICINE in any

> form must be repealed and/or declared null and void.

> 6. A special law must be written in EVERY STATE OF THE UNION that

> FORBIDS, ever again, any law insisting upon any MANDATORY MEDICAL

> TREATMENT of any type, with the exception of QUARANTINE in the unlikely

> event of an epidemic.

> 7. That no citizen ever be required to PUT INTO WRITING any refusal to

> comply

> with any unwanted MANDATORY MEDICAL TREATMENT. The requirement for

> putting a refusal in writing is simply the first step in the

> wrong direction

> and would

> lead to other requirements - this is the automatic functioning of

> government.

> 8. The citizen must be made to realize that the government is NEVER your

> friend

> the government is your WORST ENEMY.

> 9. All of the great crimes in history against humanity (such as

> the present

> crime of

> medical quacks who inject infants with foreign proteins) have

> been committed

> at

> the behest of governments, not individuals. Your neighbor might be able to

> commit

> a crime against you but not against an entire nation, only governments can

> do that

> and they have, throughout history in case you haven't checked.

> 10. Finally, we have to all work in our own best interest, unobstructed by

> government

> and when we do that, we all benefit and the society is peaceful.

> In case you

> didn't

> know what that is, it is the activity of a free market, and a free market

> can only exist

> in a true constitutional republic, it cannot exist in a democracy

> - and when

> you come

> to understand the meaning of that last comment you will have arrived and

> will be able

> to become a truly useful citizen.

>

> Join us in the fight to rid ourselves of this modern day plague of quack

> medicine.

> Dr H Duffy Sr

> Geneva, Ohio

>

>

>

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