(no subject)

[Guest guest]

Deneise,I have been through the hemlex study,The study showed high counts on

many

different things,(Homocestein)?levels were that of OVER a 60 year old man I am

now 35 or 34. It also stated about a microplasia?>SPELLING?? and the other high

one showed gene mutation.I have been taking the Doxy 100mg 2 X daily but I WILL

NOT take the heprin unless I am in the hospital because of the weirdness and NO

ONE PERSON agreeing about everything.The VA allready has me DIAGNOSED with GULF

WAR ILLNESS.I dont care if they call it that and I am not fighting to be

considered a gulf war vet,I just want help that will not destroy my body any

further.I have a friend running for congress next year so expect to see a LOT

more of me in the near future, That test does sound like a good idea but I

believe that hemex results told me about everything I need to know .The VA

system

knows I am sick its just sitting down with a congress man or senator and have

him

read the files! gREEN

DSNurse@... wrote:

> Dr. Simpson 's work is exemplary and the test is simple and affordable under

> 50 dollars!!! The results with a picture of your red cells are sent to you

> with a full explaination. He is a great person. This info in from another

> group: He did lab work on approx.

> 200 members from our group. The majority tested positive for high percentage

> of flat red blood cells. The red blood cells should be concave and flexible,

> so they travel thru the vein normally. He recommends to try for 6 weeks,

> primrose oil caps. If over age 50, 1500 mg of primrose oil 3 times pr day

> with food. If under 50 take 1500 mg twice pr day and 1000 mg. with noon

> meal. This makes the red blood cells more flexible, therefore caring more

> oxygen to the vital organs. Dr. Simpson, has a great personality.

>

> This is important you need RBC in good order to carry oxygen, if they are

> misshapped they cannt do their job and also cannt move through the

> circulation as well and if this happens damage to other organs already

> damaged will be compounded!!! Oxygen is critical element in everything in

> your body! Including having more energy.

>

> All I would recommend doing Dr SImpson's testing ASAP! It is also delightful

> to have hard proof that Gulf war illness is not all together stress!!! It

> may be in the head due to physical damage re lack of circulation, altered red

> blood cells etc....but not stress.

> Except in the terminology of physical damage and illness can be stressful.

> It is like saying which was first the egg or the chicken.

>

> Now a couple of us have the vials and questionairres all you have to do is

> email me your name and address. If i run out I will get another person i

> know to get it to you while I get resupplied.

>

> Now if you want answers and help reach out!

[Guest guest]

Doesnt that sound like a sensory issue?

Sandy

mom to Gabby (5, ds-asd)

and Adam (wakes the rooster instead of the other way around)

>From: DHMA14@...

>

>Subject: (no subject)

>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:44:57 EDT

>

>Hi everyone! I have a question to anyone who has downs syndrome. My sons

>occupational therapist , who goes to his daycare to see him mentioned to

>one

>of the daycare workers that he might be having some " seizures " ......this is

>news to me! the daycare worker told me what she said today, and needless to

>say, I was very angry because she did not mention anything to us. My

>question is, does anyone have a child that has seizures? when my son gets

>excited, sometimes he stiffens his legs and arms and looks upward, but as

>soon as I notice it, he laughs......do you think this sounds like a

>seizure?

>I'm so upset about it! He's 3 years old.......

>

>Debbie

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Doesnt that sound like a sensory issue?

Sandy

mom to Gabby (5, ds-asd)

and Adam (wakes the rooster instead of the other way around)

>From: DHMA14@...

>

>Subject: (no subject)

>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:44:57 EDT

>

>Hi everyone! I have a question to anyone who has downs syndrome. My sons

>occupational therapist , who goes to his daycare to see him mentioned to

>one

>of the daycare workers that he might be having some " seizures " ......this is

>news to me! the daycare worker told me what she said today, and needless to

>say, I was very angry because she did not mention anything to us. My

>question is, does anyone have a child that has seizures? when my son gets

>excited, sometimes he stiffens his legs and arms and looks upward, but as

>soon as I notice it, he laughs......do you think this sounds like a

>seizure?

>I'm so upset about it! He's 3 years old.......

>

>Debbie

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hallo Debbie

Seizures are fairly common among children with DS, often after difficult and

long heart surgery or such things but not only then.

There are many different forms of seizures, what you describe could be a

form but could just as well be harmless. Ask your doc if an EEG could be

done. They have to fasten lots of electrodes on the head (not sure of the

english expressions here, sorry) but there is no pain involved. The kids

just have to lie very still for quite a while, a 3 year old would probably

need sedation. Beforehand you can watch your child closely - does he have

moments in which he seems to be dreaming and doesn't react to anything? Are

there any other things which don't seem " right " ? This is of course easier if

you have other kids which are healthy (non DS or DS, just healthy). Have

your doc take a look and don't worry too much (easier said than done ).

wishing you the best

Gundula

(no subject)

> Hi everyone! I have a question to anyone who has downs syndrome. My sons

> occupational therapist , who goes to his daycare to see him mentioned to

one

> of the daycare workers that he might be having some " seizures " ......this

is

> news to me! the daycare worker told me what she said today, and needless

to

> say, I was very angry because she did not mention anything to us. My

> question is, does anyone have a child that has seizures? when my son gets

> excited, sometimes he stiffens his legs and arms and looks upward, but as

> soon as I notice it, he laughs......do you think this sounds like a

seizure?

> I'm so upset about it! He's 3 years old.......

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hallo Debbie

Seizures are fairly common among children with DS, often after difficult and

long heart surgery or such things but not only then.

There are many different forms of seizures, what you describe could be a

form but could just as well be harmless. Ask your doc if an EEG could be

done. They have to fasten lots of electrodes on the head (not sure of the

english expressions here, sorry) but there is no pain involved. The kids

just have to lie very still for quite a while, a 3 year old would probably

need sedation. Beforehand you can watch your child closely - does he have

moments in which he seems to be dreaming and doesn't react to anything? Are

there any other things which don't seem " right " ? This is of course easier if

you have other kids which are healthy (non DS or DS, just healthy). Have

your doc take a look and don't worry too much (easier said than done ).

wishing you the best

Gundula

(no subject)

> Hi everyone! I have a question to anyone who has downs syndrome. My sons

> occupational therapist , who goes to his daycare to see him mentioned to

one

> of the daycare workers that he might be having some " seizures " ......this

is

> news to me! the daycare worker told me what she said today, and needless

to

> say, I was very angry because she did not mention anything to us. My

> question is, does anyone have a child that has seizures? when my son gets

> excited, sometimes he stiffens his legs and arms and looks upward, but as

> soon as I notice it, he laughs......do you think this sounds like a

seizure?

> I'm so upset about it! He's 3 years old.......

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

When Ian was that age, probably even younger, he would be sitting doing

normal things, then suddenly stiffen up and his arms would quiver, as if

straining with effort. He'd grimace and his head would tilt up a little.

We wondered if these were seizures, had him checked out and all, and it

turned out he was just playing with his body, experimenting, as it were.

The behavior went away on its own. This isn't to say that your son isn't

having seizures -- that's impossible to diagnose over the computer, and not

being a doctor, I wouldn't even think of doing so -- but if you're

concerned, see a doctor.

CK,

Mom to Ian (2/89),

(9/90),

and Rose (6/94)

[Guest guest]

When Ian was that age, probably even younger, he would be sitting doing

normal things, then suddenly stiffen up and his arms would quiver, as if

straining with effort. He'd grimace and his head would tilt up a little.

We wondered if these were seizures, had him checked out and all, and it

turned out he was just playing with his body, experimenting, as it were.

The behavior went away on its own. This isn't to say that your son isn't

having seizures -- that's impossible to diagnose over the computer, and not

being a doctor, I wouldn't even think of doing so -- but if you're

concerned, see a doctor.

CK,

Mom to Ian (2/89),

(9/90),

and Rose (6/94)

[Guest guest]

Thank you for sharing that with me. It helps to know that others feel that

way too.

Toni-mom to Jasmine-ds-10

[Guest guest]

Thank you for sharing that with me. It helps to know that others feel that

way too.

Toni-mom to Jasmine-ds-10

[Guest guest]

Illegal vaccine link to Gulf war syndrome Brown, environment

correspondent

GuardianMonday July 30, 2001The illness known as Gulf war syndrome looks

likely to have been caused by an illegal vaccine " booster " given by the

Ministry of Defence to protect soldiers against biological weapons, according

to the results of a new series of tests. Scientists in the United States

found that symptoms of the illness were the same for service personnel who

received the injections whether or not they served in the Gulf. The common

factor for the 275,000 British and US veterans who are ill appears to be a

substance called squalene, allegedly used in injections to add to their

potency. Such an action would have been illegal. Squalene is not licensed for

use on either side of the Atlantic because of potential side effects. Pam Asa

and her team at the Tulane medical school in Louisiana tested more than 300

former US military personnel who were given vaccinations to go to the Gulf:

95% tested positive for squalene antibodies. In addition veterans from both

sides of the Atlantic were tested, including 20 who were given preparatory

injections but who did not go to the war. All 20 tested positive to squalene

antibodies. The first non-deployed British sufferer to be tested, Anwen

Humphreys, was also found to have antibodies. Dr Asa said in her view the

fact that even non-deployed veterans were testing positive for squalene

provided conclusive evidence that vaccinations were a " major cause " of the

condition. It ruled out the alternative environmental theories floated as

causes of Gulf war syndrome. " I believe that those people who were given

vaccinations in the US and the UK were given something they should not have

been, probably in the anthrax vaccine. [The results] need a thorough

examination by the US and UK governments. " Squalene is classed as an ad

juvant - a chemical which is added to a vaccine to make it more combative. It

is a naturally occurring substance in the human body but injecting it is

illegal, and past scientific research in rats and mice has found that it

causes auto-immune disease. Consequently, squalene in the form of a vaccine

is unlicensed for human or veterinary use. The evidence could be devastating

for the Ministry of Defence which is being sued for damages by 1,900 British

veterans. If they show they were injected with an illegal substance, the

damages could be astronomical. The ministry has refused toreveal what was in

the injections. Ms Humphreys, 39, from Dolgellau, north Wales, who suffers

typical symptoms of the syndrome - severe headaches, nausea, muscular pain,

joint swelling, short term memory loss and depression - said: " I believe the

MoD has used us like guinea pigs to see how effective squalene is. " There are

no words to describe what they have done. It's just medically, morally and

ethically wrong. " She says she feels " cheated " by the MoD. " I was always one

of these people who said that there is no way they would experiment with our

vaccinations. " Ms Humphreys' story is being told tonight on the

Welsh-language current affairs programme, Y Byd Ar Bedwar, (The World On

Four), on S4C. The US defence department has strongly denied Dr Asa's claims.

Moonie, a junior minister responsible for veterans, said: " To the best

of my knowledge no squalene was given to any member of the British forces at

the time of the Gulf war. " The Ministry of Defence has so far refused to

disclose what was in the injections and defence scientists are carrying out

experiments on animals to see what effects the Gulf war injections could

have. The results will not be known until 2003.

[Guest guest]

Dear Carole,

I am so sorry to hear your Mother has died and you are in our prayers. I know how you feel having gone through a similar struggle watching a love as you did your Mom. I too learned about different helpful ways that the AMA refuse to use but as with you time was not a favorable factor. Your Mother can be memorized by you continuing to learn about what you have begun to learn concerning health and you won't have to see another one suffer as she did. I have seen all my family change their life style to a health cancer preventing lifestyle and we all experience great health. I have seen three tennis friends just this year overcome cancer and they are now cancer free.

The knowledge you share will not be for nothing.

I remember when my loved one died I thought there was no reason to learn any more, but something in me said that this is not the last time I will deal with cancer in my family. It turned out to be true in the future, but we had victory and there is no fear of cancer in my family any more.

I pray you and your family will be comforted by the Holy Spirit of God during your time of sorrow. In Jesus' Name.

God Bless You

Diann Messer

[Guest guest]

It is never easy to watch a loved one suffer from this ugly hideous disease. Especially when we lose them in the battle. And it can be very frustrating when we want to help some one we love, but they won't let us share with them what we have learned. I have a son that has had cancer, but will not change his lifestyle or eating habits. He thinks that his mother is a quack and that all this natural and alternative medicine is a bunch of hocus pocus. I have had to deceive him into taking Transfer Factor Plus, I put it into a Multiple Vitamin Bottle, so he thinks that he is just taking daily vitamins, but he does take it a daily basis. There is a lot more I would like him to do, but what do you do?

But this has not stopped me from wanting to learn all that I can or sharing what I learn with those that will listen. In fact, I have kind of made it my mission to try and help those that I can; so others don't have to go through the torment that we as loved ones or those that are victims have had to experience. Maybe if more of us would take this type of attitude, we could may be some where in time build up a force that we could help to erradicate this ugly disease. I know that is totally impossible, but it would sure be worth the try. Think of the gratification we could feel and experience when we made a difference in a few peoples lives. I actually feel that we have a moral obligation to share what we know. We need to educate more people into changing their belief system to the fact that we are in charge of our own health not the physicians. There is nothing in stone that says we don't have the final say in our health.

Jana

-----Original Message-----From: eat2heal@... [mailto:eat2heal@...]Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 3:02 PMcures for cancer Subject: Re: (no subject)

Dear Carole, I am so sorry to hear your Mother has died and you are in our prayers. I know how you feel having gone through a similar struggle watching a love as you did your Mom. I too learned about different helpful ways that the AMA refuse to use but as with you time was not a favorable factor. Your Mother can be memorized by you continuing to learn about what you have begun to learn concerning health and you won't have to see another one suffer as she did. I have seen all my family change their life style to a health cancer preventing lifestyle and we all experience great health. I have seen three tennis friends just this year overcome cancer and they are now cancer free. The knowledge you share will not be for nothing. I remember when my loved one died I thought there was no reason to learn any more, but something in me said that this is not the last time I will deal with cancer in my family. It turned out to be true in the future, but we had victory and there is no fear of cancer in my family any more. I pray you and your family will be comforted by the Holy Spirit of God during your time of sorrow. In Jesus' Name. God Bless You Diann Messer Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

[Guest guest]

This is something that I'm struggling with as well with my mom. I'm the one

that has cancer, but, my mom has had a lot of other problems. Problems that

I can see can be fixed easily with just a change or two in her diet, or a

cleanse. But she just won't do it. She keeps going to the same doctors and

keeps whining about how bad they treat her and how the drugs they give her

make her sicker and don't do anything for illness she's experiencing.

There's a saying in the 12 step program, " The definition of insanity is

doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. "

A lot of her problems sound to me like they are parasite related. I gave her

the number of a chiropractor that sends in for a comprehensive stool

analysis. She keeps going to the medi docs and they keep telling her that

because she's not been out of the country she couldn't have parasites. Then

they give her more drugs that make her feel worse, and never get to the root

of the problems.

I try to give her books to read, people to talk to, case histories, etc. but

she just won't anything but what the docs want her to.

Klaus

In a message dated 9/5/01 7:08:44 PM, jana138@... writes:

>It is never easy to watch a loved one suffer from this ugly hideous disease.

>

>Especially when we lose them in the battle. And it can be very frustrating

>

>when we want to help some one we love, but they won't let us share with

>them

>

>what we have learned. I have a son that has had cancer, but will not change

>

>his lifestyle or eating habits. He thinks that his mother is a quack and

>

>that all this natural and alternative medicine is a bunch of hocus pocus.

>I

>

>have had to deceive him into taking Transfer Factor Plus, I put it into

>a

>

>Multiple Vitamin Bottle, so he thinks that he is just taking daily vitamins,

>

>but he does take it a daily basis. There is a lot more I would like him

>to

>

>do, but what do you do?

>

>But this has not stopped me from wanting to learn all that I can or sharing

>

>what I learn with those that will listen. In fact, I have kind of made

>it my

>

>mission to try and help those that I can; so others don't have to go through

>

>the torment that we as loved ones or those that are victims have had to

>

>experience. Maybe if more of us would take this type of attitude, we could

>

>may be some where in time build up a force that we could help to erradicate

>

>this ugly disease. I know that is totally impossible, but it would sure

>be

>

>worth the try. Think of the gratification we could feel and experience

>when

>

>we made a difference in a few peoples lives. I actually feel that we have

>a

>

>moral obligation to share what we know. We need to educate more people

>into

>

>changing their belief system to the fact that we are in charge of our own

>

>health not the physicians. There is nothing in stone that says we don't

>have

>

>the final say in our health.

>

>Jana

[Guest guest]

This year I got Lyssa the Leap Pad Imagine Desk. It's supposed to talk while

she's coloring the pictures. The pictures are the letters of the alphabet. I

hope it'll help her recognize the letters better. Sue & Alyssa

[Guest guest]

This year I got Lyssa the Leap Pad Imagine Desk. It's supposed to talk while

she's coloring the pictures. The pictures are the letters of the alphabet. I

hope it'll help her recognize the letters better. Sue & Alyssa

[Guest guest]

We have to learn to get on with all kinds of people in life and this is true of

kids in school just as much as anywhere

else. Its harder on parents of kids with SEN becoz we have so much more contact

with schools and staff than parents of

typical kids, so a grotty or half hearted teacher is more difficult to live

with. But there will not be a child out

there, typical or otherwise that doesn't come across at least one, and probably

several, teachers they at best don't

like much and at worst loathe. But thats life. having said that I'd love to be

able to choose the teachers and aides

for tim but it doesn't arise as an option here.

sue wong

lauralk38@... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/14/01 1:03:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> cindysue@... writes:

>

> > BTW, do we parents even have a right to help select staff? I know Joan told

> > me before to make a list of qualifications the staff should have...and I got

> > a sense that was the max we could do.

> >

>

> The short answer (at least where I live) is NO. The school district and

> school administration have the final say as to who the teacher will be. But

> I think if you work it right with the district, you can help them make a list

> of qualities (i.e., aspects of teaching style?!?!) that work well for your

> son. You can observe the teachers in action and provide input. But only the

> school principal makes the final decision on who the teacher will be.

>

> Believe me, I learned this the hard way. Jimmy's teacher this year told me

> to my face that she didn't want him in her class, but was forced to do so by

> the principal. When I went to the principal with this and demanded a teacher

> change, I didn't get it. We took it all the way up to the district

> superintendent and got nowhere. I suppose if I had gone to the newspapers

> with my story, I might have gotten a change, but I wasn't willing to pay the

> price associated with that strategy!!

>

> Of course, the postscript to that is that the teacher is doing fairly well

> with him.....although I still firmly believe that a different choice would

> have been better for Jim.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We have to learn to get on with all kinds of people in life and this is true of

kids in school just as much as anywhere

else. Its harder on parents of kids with SEN becoz we have so much more contact

with schools and staff than parents of

typical kids, so a grotty or half hearted teacher is more difficult to live

with. But there will not be a child out

there, typical or otherwise that doesn't come across at least one, and probably

several, teachers they at best don't

like much and at worst loathe. But thats life. having said that I'd love to be

able to choose the teachers and aides

for tim but it doesn't arise as an option here.

sue wong

lauralk38@... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/14/01 1:03:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> cindysue@... writes:

>

> > BTW, do we parents even have a right to help select staff? I know Joan told

> > me before to make a list of qualifications the staff should have...and I got

> > a sense that was the max we could do.

> >

>

> The short answer (at least where I live) is NO. The school district and

> school administration have the final say as to who the teacher will be. But

> I think if you work it right with the district, you can help them make a list

> of qualities (i.e., aspects of teaching style?!?!) that work well for your

> son. You can observe the teachers in action and provide input. But only the

> school principal makes the final decision on who the teacher will be.

>

> Believe me, I learned this the hard way. Jimmy's teacher this year told me

> to my face that she didn't want him in her class, but was forced to do so by

> the principal. When I went to the principal with this and demanded a teacher

> change, I didn't get it. We took it all the way up to the district

> superintendent and got nowhere. I suppose if I had gone to the newspapers

> with my story, I might have gotten a change, but I wasn't willing to pay the

> price associated with that strategy!!

>

> Of course, the postscript to that is that the teacher is doing fairly well

> with him.....although I still firmly believe that a different choice would

> have been better for Jim.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/15/01 4:23:24 PM Central Standard Time,

sbntwong@... writes:

> We have to learn to get on with all kinds of people in life and this is true

> of kids in school just as much as anywhere

> else. Its harder on parents of kids with SEN becoz we have so much more

> contact with schools and staff than parents of

> typical kids, so a grotty or half hearted teacher is more difficult to live

> with. But there will not be a child out

> there, typical or otherwise that doesn't come across at least one, and

> probably several, teachers they at best don't

> like much and at worst loathe. But thats life. having said that I'd love

> to be able to choose the teachers and aides

> for tim but it doesn't arise as an option here.

>

> sue wong

>

>

I guess in theory that sounds OK but, already has a harder time

learning than the average kid. I'm not going to lose a year of his education

because someone doesn't know how to relate to him.

He also doesn't have the skills to tell me what is exactly happening so if

his behavior is telling me that something is amiss I will go with it.

Karyn

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/15/01 4:23:24 PM Central Standard Time,

sbntwong@... writes:

> We have to learn to get on with all kinds of people in life and this is true

> of kids in school just as much as anywhere

> else. Its harder on parents of kids with SEN becoz we have so much more

> contact with schools and staff than parents of

> typical kids, so a grotty or half hearted teacher is more difficult to live

> with. But there will not be a child out

> there, typical or otherwise that doesn't come across at least one, and

> probably several, teachers they at best don't

> like much and at worst loathe. But thats life. having said that I'd love

> to be able to choose the teachers and aides

> for tim but it doesn't arise as an option here.

>

> sue wong

>

>

I guess in theory that sounds OK but, already has a harder time

learning than the average kid. I'm not going to lose a year of his education

because someone doesn't know how to relate to him.

He also doesn't have the skills to tell me what is exactly happening so if

his behavior is telling me that something is amiss I will go with it.

Karyn

[Guest guest]

It doesn't here either Sue, in Canada. Last year in Grade five, Tim had a

special education teacher as his aid. She wasn't teaching at the time as

she didn't want to go on the sub list until her last child had graduated.

This year, she is on the sub list with Vince. And we have another aid (Tim

is in middle school now...grade six) whose English is a second language.

She doesn't do near the things with Tim or for Tim that Hugette did last

year and I am calling a meeting early in the year to deal with it. I'm

almost at the point of home schooling.

Val

> We have to learn to get on with all kinds of people in life and this is

true of kids in school just as much as anywhere

> else. Its harder on parents of kids with SEN becoz we have so much more

contact with schools and staff than parents of

> typical kids, so a grotty or half hearted teacher is more difficult to

live with. But there will not be a child out

> there, typical or otherwise that doesn't come across at least one, and

probably several, teachers they at best don't

> like much and at worst loathe. But thats life. having said that I'd love

to be able to choose the teachers and aides

> for tim but it doesn't arise as an option here.

>

> sue wong

>

[Guest guest]

It doesn't here either Sue, in Canada. Last year in Grade five, Tim had a

special education teacher as his aid. She wasn't teaching at the time as

she didn't want to go on the sub list until her last child had graduated.

This year, she is on the sub list with Vince. And we have another aid (Tim

is in middle school now...grade six) whose English is a second language.

She doesn't do near the things with Tim or for Tim that Hugette did last

year and I am calling a meeting early in the year to deal with it. I'm

almost at the point of home schooling.

Val

> We have to learn to get on with all kinds of people in life and this is

true of kids in school just as much as anywhere

> else. Its harder on parents of kids with SEN becoz we have so much more

contact with schools and staff than parents of

> typical kids, so a grotty or half hearted teacher is more difficult to

live with. But there will not be a child out

> there, typical or otherwise that doesn't come across at least one, and

probably several, teachers they at best don't

> like much and at worst loathe. But thats life. having said that I'd love

to be able to choose the teachers and aides

> for tim but it doesn't arise as an option here.

>

> sue wong

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/18/01 5:53:51 PM Canada Central Standard Time,

Tubafour@... writes:

> that they are dirty

I admit that is still a dirt magnet at 12. She's the only child I've

had that I can truely say was a dirt magnet. hehe. Now my sisters

boys....they were dirt magnets to, they have outgrown it. I wonder if it's

living out here on the farm that makes such a dirt magnet. (at least

she has made sure she has shorts and top on in the summer for the past 7 yrs,

rather then just running out in her undies. :-)

Joy

[Guest guest]

I have found through years of experience that our kids are accepted more

readily if they are dressed in the best we can afford. I do the same things

that most folks who aren't wealthy do, I buy clothes larger and out of

season. I look for sales, etc. It may seem materialistic but it is a fact

that people are judged by their appearance. It is unfair, but true. Our

kids already have some erroneous assumptions made about them, (like one

said--that they are dirty and poor), so we do have to go that extra mile and

make sure our kids are clean and neat and in style as much as possible

within our budgets.

Elaine

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> I dont know If I agree with all the dwelling on a childs clothes are we

> teaching them to be materialistic? Yes we want them excepted but I would

like

> my daughter to be excepted for who she is a wonderful person who has a

> glowing personality and a loving heart and if the world just doesnt except

> her than who cares! She gets plenty of acceptance at home and plenty of

love

> and guidance , besides she is usually the one who is teaching everyone

else

> around her what matters in life Love and Caring for each other .

> Goodluck Nettie619

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/18/01 8:33:06 AM Central Standard Time,

Nettie619@... writes:

> No way how do you do this all day Every day , All day ,

> day in day out? Well its my life and I guess I dont know any better-lol

> nettie619

>

> And I'll bet you wouldn't trade with anyone. I know I wouldn't!!!

>

[Guest guest]

<<I took her disney world , they

gave a discount but no first in line on rides, we waited in line, and it

actually wasnt too bad we rode when we could and moved on when we couldnt>>

When Ted went to DW (it was a make a wish trip) we had a handicapped sticker

attached to our ticket stub. We weren't able to do more than 2 or 3 rides a

day anyway, as Ted has to hold the door or gate out for everyone! Then with

showers of rain everyday... he was disturbed by the rain and we had to

leave.

Gail

http://www.emandan.freeserve.co.uk/ted.htm