RE: Medical Counseling for Anthrax Refusers???

[Guest guest]

Yes. My husband refused and his " medical counseling " was with a nurse

who asked him why he refused then preceeded to tell him that DOD had a

new policy that my husband could be court martialed and if the court

martial approved he could be held down and given the shot against his

will. That was all the " medical counseling " he received.

On 24 Nov 1999 06:08:59 -0000 mel@... writes:

>From: mel@...

>

>Has anyone been to " medical counseling " after they refused the

>vaccine? My

>commander schduled me for an appointment, but I missed it. Just

>curious what

>kind of counseling it could be. If anyone has any info, please email

>me.

>Thanks.

>

>Mel Rapozo

>

>By the way, I'll miss the make up appointment also. God bless!!

>

[Guest guest]

Technically, this is not " NEW " . The Army has had a " regulation " in place for

years. AR 600 5-4... CHARLIE

AR 600, PARAGRAPH 5.4 (Involuntary Vaccinations)

a. Necessary medical care. A soldier on active duty or active duty for

training will usually be required to submit to medical care considered

necessary to preserve his or her life, alleviate undue suffering, or protect

or maintain the health of others. Commanders may order the examination of

any soldier in their command when warranted. The medical treatment facility

commander will determine if hospitalization of the soldier is appropriate.

b. Medical care with or without soldier's permission.

(1) Emergency medical care required to save the life or health of the

soldier may be performed. This is determined by the attending physician. If

the soldier should refuse treatment required, and the unit commander is not

available, the hospital commander may order the treatment given.

(2) Immunizations required by AR 40-562 or other legal directive(subject to

any limitation stated in these directives) may be given.

(a)The policy of authorizing forcible immunization is intended to protect

the health and overall effectiveness of the command as well as the health of

the soldier. Soldiers do not have an option as to whether they will be

immunized except as prescribed in AR 40-562, paragraph 1,13, and paragraph

5-6 of this regulation.

( In performing this duty, medical personnel are expected to use only the

amount of force needed to give the immunization. Any force necessary to

overcome a soldier's reluctance to immunization will normally be provided by

personnel acting under orders from the soldier's unit commander. Every

reasonable effort should be made to avoid the need for disciplinary action.

However, soldiers should be advised that they will be inoculated with or

without their consent. Before any mandatory immunization, an explanation

should be given concerning the necessity for submitting to the required

inoculation.

>From: Jeffery S Proffitt <cj0715@...>

>Reply-onelist

>onelist

>Subject: Re: Medical Counseling for Anthrax Refusers???

>Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:49:01 -0600

>

>Yes. My husband refused and his " medical counseling " was with a nurse

>who asked him why he refused then preceeded to tell him that DOD had a

>new policy that my husband could be court martialed and if the court

>martial approved he could be held down and given the shot against his

>will. That was all the " medical counseling " he received.

>

[Guest guest]

I also had the appointment, it was just to give their side of the story.

Actually you should go, if not to avoid the disobeying a direct order

again and a missed appointment. You really hurt yourself by not attending.

The first things they ask is if you went to these appointments. The

counselor actually gives very good information, I actually used it in my

own defense.

Medical Counseling for Anthrax Refusers???

From: mel@...

Has anyone been to " medical counseling " after they refused the vaccine? My

commander schduled me for an appointment, but I missed it. Just curious

what

kind of counseling it could be. If anyone has any info, please email me.

Thanks.

Mel Rapozo

By the way, I'll miss the make up appointment also. God bless!!

[Guest guest]

After I refused, I had to have " consuling " as well. All it entailed was me

having to go see the med. commander, who was so ate up about the whole thing

he told me if he could vaccinate his wife and daughter he would. He said

the US is so likely to be attacked domestically that he thinks everyone

should have to get it. I told him I wasn't going to risk it, and nothing he

said would change my mind, so then he told me I'd never get a job on the

outside, and thinks refusing it is stupid. I thanked him for wasting my

time, and that was it.

Re: Medical Counseling for Anthrax Refusers???

From: Jeffery S Proffitt <cj0715@...>

Yes. My husband refused and his " medical counseling " was with a nurse

who asked him why he refused then preceeded to tell him that DOD had a

new policy that my husband could be court martialed and if the court

martial approved he could be held down and given the shot against his

will. That was all the " medical counseling " he received.