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In a message dated 1/7/02 11:44:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, Hjfasufi writes:

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Do vaccines without mercury pose the same threat of autism as vaxs

without mercury?

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Check out Sheri and Sandy's sites. Search the archives for vaccine

ingredients. Read my PREVNAR post. These vaccines are being put directly into

the bloodstream. The diseases themselves are spread though the air or body

and passed through normal routes of the body. I'm convinced my husband got

sick from a strain that was in that vaccine and, it went straight into his

bloodstream. Doctors told me there is an incubation period. Yes, that is true

when you get the disease through normal routes.

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Good point about autism following other vaccines as well. About mercury in

the MMR - I know it is not added, but I thought I understood mercury to be

used in the manufacturing process, thus mercury (just to a lesser degree)

would still be in the MMR. Thoughts?

Kathleen

In a message dated 1/7/2002 1:50:17 PM Central Standard Time,

vaccineinfo@... writes:

> >Do vaccines without mercury pose the same threat of autism as vaxs without

> mercury?

>

> Is this food for thought for the group?

> Autism has followed most any vaccine there is - MMR doesn't have mercury

>

The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the

disease. ~ Voltaire, French Philosopher (1694-1778)

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I remember I saw something that came from THIS list! It was how someone had

had a lab analyze the MMR and found mercury in it. I can't remember the

name. I posted the info on Mothering several months ago, but they lost all

their old threads. Don't know if I have it in my file cabinet or not.

Kathleen

In a message dated 1/7/2002 2:31:23 PM Central Standard Time,

sandym@... writes:

> It is not absolutely verified - that's why I said there was " evidence " .

> (Although in my defense, I had sent the last one out before you had asked

> your question, which is why I didn't address it.)

>

> Liz Burt is the one who said that researcher from the University of

> Kentucky

> had testified it to Congress, though, I believe. Maybe I can fnd it

> sometime.

>

> Sandy from Alaska

>

> http://www.vaccinationnews.com

>

>

The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the

disease. ~ Voltaire, French Philosopher (1694-1778)

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as far as i can work out, there are other things like formaldehyde and

aluminium in vaccinations that are equally permanently damaging to immature

nerves that are not properly covered with myelin.

kim

>

>

>

> Good point about autism following other vaccines as well. About mercury in

> the MMR - I know it is not added, but I thought I understood mercury to be

> used in the manufacturing process, thus mercury (just to a lesser degree)

> would still be in the MMR. Thoughts?

>

>

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AUTISM FIRST STEPS

AUTISM DAILY NEWSLETTER

Thursday January 3, 2002

SPECIAL EDITION

INDEX:

* Secert CDC study: Thimerosal an autism risk

* Press Release Containing Link to the Unreleased CDC report

******************************

Secert CDC study: Thimerosal an autism risk

An unreleased confidential report by Center's for Disease Control (CDC)

scientists reveals that exposure to significant amounts of mercury during

the first months of life significantly increases a child's risk of

developing autism, according to an attorney with the law firm of Walters &

Kraus. The firm is a part of a coalition of law firms, representing families

in at least 25 states, that has filed lawsuits in an attempt to force drug

companies to investigate the possible link between mercury and developmental

disorders.

Attorney Andy Walters says that the unreleased CDC report, obtained by the

SAFEMINDS advocacy group, found a 2.48 times increased risk of autism in

children exposed to more then 62.5 micrograms of mercury before they were 3

months of age. In a press release, Walters and Kraus notes that " in the

United States, courts of law have generally held that a relative increased

risk of 2.0 or higher is sufficient to substantiate that a given exposure

causes disease. " Walters says that in many of the cases that his firm has

evaluated, autistic children have received more than 62.5 micrograms of

mercury through pediatric vaccines.

A report made public by the CDC in the fall claimed that the thimerosal, the

mercury containing preservative used in many vaccines, could not be linked

to autism, while calling on Physicians to avoid thimerosal containing

vaccines when possible. However, according to Walters & Kraus, the

confidential CDC report states: " As for the exposure evaluated at 3 months

of age, we found increasing risks of " neurological developmental disorders "

with increasing cumulative exposure to thimerosal... within the group of

" developmental disorders " ... for the subgroup called " specific delays, " and

within the this subgroup for the specific disorder " developmental speech

disorder, " and for " autism " " stuttering " and " attention deficit disorder " .

Walters says the report's contents, and the fact that it was kept secret,

are " shocking, but unfortunately not surprising, given the political

influence of pharmaceutical companies and the tremendous liability they face

if they are forced to compensate thousands of families for the costs of care

that these children require " .

Press Release, Walters & Kraus, 2001

******************************

PRESS RELEASE

An announcement was made today by the law firm of Waters & Kraus, the firm

that filed the first known lawsuit alleging that a mercury preservative in

children's vaccines caused neurological damage to an infant ultimately

diagnosed with autism. Waters & Kraus is leading a consortium of ten firms

in as many states that are actively prosecuting cases of this nature (firms

listed below). Andy Waters, the lead attorney in the cases, announced that

his firm is now in possession of a previously unreleased confidential report

authored by Centers for Disease Control scientists which studied autism as a

potential neurological injury caused by mercury in children's vaccines. A

different version of the report was made public and has been cited by the

recent Institute of Medicine study as inconclusive on the issue of whether

the mercury-based vaccine preservative known as Thimerosal has contributed

to cause a nationwide epidemic of regressive autism and other neurological

disorders in small children. The confidential version of the study,

however, clearly demonstrated that an exposure to more than 62.5 micrograms

of mercury within the first three months of life significantly increased a

child's risk of developing autism. Specifically, the study found a 2.48

times increased risk of autism _ that is to say, children with the exposure

were more than twice as likely to develop autism as children not exposed.

Click here to view the full report

Secert CDC vaccine study Thimerosal an autism risk

(27 pages formatted in TIFF)

In the United States, courts of law have generally held that a relative

increased risk of 2.0 or higher is sufficient to substantiate that a given

exposure causes disease. As but one example, in the case of Cook v. United

States, 545 F.Supp. 306, at 308 (Northern District _ California 1982) the

Court stated that, " in a vaccine case, a relative risk greater than 2.0

establishes that there is a greater than 50% chance that the injury was

caused by the vaccine. " Waters indicated that, in many of the cases his firm

has evaluated, including the case filed in a Texas state court on behalf of

the Counter family, the affected child received more than 62.5 micrograms of

mercury through pediatric vaccines in the first three months of life. The

confidential report, which was obtained by the SAFEMINDS support and

advocacy group, states: " As for the exposure evaluated at 3 months of age,

we found increasing risks of 'neurological developmental disorders' with

increasing cumulative exposure to thimerosal ... within the group of

'developmental disorders'... for the sub_group called 'specific delays,' and

within this sub_group for the specific disorder 'developmental speech

disorder,' and for 'autism,' 'stuttering' and 'attention deficit disorder.' "

The report also contained the graph depicted below which illustrated the

report's findings of a child's increasing risk of developing the

neurological symptoms of autism after receiving increasing amounts of

thimerosal.Graph 3: Relative risk – 95 % CI of Autism after different

exposure levels of thimerosal at 3 months of age, NCK & GHCWaters pointed

out that the confidential study's lead author, Verstraeten, has since

left the Centers for Disease Control and is now employed by GlaxoKline,

a manufacturer of thimerosal_containing vaccines for many years that is a

defendant in numerous suits pending nationwide. " We have asked

GlaxoKline to provide Mr. Verstraeten's deposition in order to

understand if conflict of interest issues may have played a role in the

CDC's decision to keep this report confidential, and specifically, their

failure to reveal it to the Institute of Medicine. " Waters called the

report's contents and the fact that it was kept from the public as

" shocking, but unfortunately not surprising, given the political influence

of pharmaceutical companies and the tremendous liability they face if they

are forced to compensate thousands of families for the costs of care that

these children require. " Waters added that " no amount of money can give

these children back the potential that they were born with, and no amount of

money will comfort the parents that watched helplessly as their children

literally just slipped away. " The purpose of the lawsuits his firm is

currently prosecuting, said Waters, is " to bring to the surface the truth on

this issue, a truth that government agencies seem unwilling to admit,

perhaps for fear that parents will stop vaccinating their children, and to

force the companies that profited from this disastrous mistake to shoulder

the responsibility that so many families now bear on their own, often

without even the aid of health insurance benefits. " Media inquiries should

be directed to Miles at 214-357-6244.Client inquiries should be

directed to Gibson, toll-free at 1-866-829-7529, or to the firms

listed below.Other firms working with Waters & Kraus to prosecute individual

cases involving thimerosal exposure are:ANDERSON & KRIGER, APLC40925 County

Center Drive, Suite 210Temecula, California 92591Telephone:

909.296.5090DOGAN & WILKINSON726 Delmas AvenuePascagoula, Mississippi

39567Telephone: 228.762.2272 DORAN & MURPHY, LLP1234 Delaware AvenueBuffalo,

New York 14209Telephone: 716.884.2000EVERT & WEATHERSBY, L.L.C.3405 Piedmont

Road, Suite 225Atlanta, Georgia 30305-1764Telephone :

404.233.8718HENDRICKSON & LONG214 Capital StreetP.O. Box 11070ton, W.

VA 25339Telephone: 304.346.5500JONES, MARTIN, PARRIS, & TESSENER LAW OFFICES,

PLLC410 Glenwood Ave., Suite 200Raleigh, North Carolina 27603Telephone:

919.821.0005LEACH, SCHWARZ & STRASSBERG11 Bala Ave.Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania

19004Telephone: 610.668.7964MARTZELL & BICKFORD338 Lafayette StreetNew

Orleans, Louisianna 70130Telephone: 504.581.90653555 College AvenueWISE &

JULIAN, PC3555 College AvenueAlton, Illinois 62002Telephone: 618.462.2600

To View this CDC Unreleased reportit will be found in the 2nd paragraph:

click on the link that states: Click here to view the full report (27 pages

formatted in TIFF) or click below

Secert CDC vaccine study Thimerosal an autism risk

http://autismawakeninginia.bizland.com/secertcdcvaccinestudythimerosalanauti

smrisk/

This story and the link listed above is found here at:

http://autismawakeninginia.bizland.com/secertcdcvaccinestudythimerosalanauti

smrisk/

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> has anyone been able to download the actual report? I can only seem

to get

> the cover page and would love to see the rest of it.

>

> Thanks,

> Meryl

>

Meryl, I have the report. The group does not except attachments. I

could e-mail you the report to download but, the quality of it is not

very good. I know the sight I was able to download it from was

www.safeminds.org It's a great site by the way. I don't know if you

will find it though I used a link from that site right to the lawyers

site. Can't find the url now.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Sheri Nakken [mailto:vaccineinfo@b...]

> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 4:42 AM

>

> AUTISM FIRST STEPS

> AUTISM DAILY NEWSLETTER

> Thursday January 3, 2002

> SPECIAL EDITION

>

>

> INDEX:

> * Secert CDC study: Thimerosal an autism risk

> * Press Release Containing Link to the Unreleased CDC report

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Do vaccines without mercury pose the same threat of autism as vaxs without

mercury?

Re: Autism & vaccination

> has anyone been able to download the actual report? I can only seem

to get

> the cover page and would love to see the rest of it.

>

> Thanks,

> Meryl

>

Meryl, I have the report. The group does not except attachments. I

could e-mail you the report to download but, the quality of it is not

very good. I know the sight I was able to download it from was

www.safeminds.org It's a great site by the way. I don't know if you

will find it though I used a link from that site right to the lawyers

site. Can't find the url now.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Sheri Nakken [mailto:vaccineinfo@b...]

> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 4:42 AM

>

> AUTISM FIRST STEPS

> AUTISM DAILY NEWSLETTER

> Thursday January 3, 2002

> SPECIAL EDITION

>

>

> INDEX:

> * Secert CDC study: Thimerosal an autism risk

> * Press Release Containing Link to the Unreleased CDC report

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There is a lot we don't know about autism and vaccines, but besides mercury

and vaccines is the MMR and autism issue, which Wakefield is studying, as

well as the possibility that DPT and other vaccines might have been

responsible for the earlier form of autism, which struck younger children.

I would recommend that you use my website to investigate this issue, first

by typing in autism and then narrowing the search once you get a handle on

what aspects you are concerned with.

Sandy from Alaska

http://www.vaccinationnews.com

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

Re: Re: Autism & vaccination

Do vaccines without mercury pose the same threat of autism as vaxs without

mercury?

Re: Autism & vaccination

> has anyone been able to download the actual report? I can only seem

to get

> the cover page and would love to see the rest of it.

>

> Thanks,

> Meryl

>

Meryl, I have the report. The group does not except attachments. I

could e-mail you the report to download but, the quality of it is not

very good. I know the sight I was able to download it from was

www.safeminds.org It's a great site by the way. I don't know if you

will find it though I used a link from that site right to the lawyers

site. Can't find the url now.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Sheri Nakken [mailto:vaccineinfo@b...]

> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 4:42 AM

>

> AUTISM FIRST STEPS

> AUTISM DAILY NEWSLETTER

> Thursday January 3, 2002

> SPECIAL EDITION

>

>

> INDEX:

> * Secert CDC study: Thimerosal an autism risk

> * Press Release Containing Link to the Unreleased CDC report

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I also put it on my website earlier today - January 6, 2002.

Sandy from Alaska

http://www.vaccinationnews.com

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

Re: Autism & vaccination

> has anyone been able to download the actual report? I can only seem

to get

> the cover page and would love to see the rest of it.

>

> Thanks,

> Meryl

>

Meryl, I have the report. The group does not except attachments. I

could e-mail you the report to download but, the quality of it is not

very good. I know the sight I was able to download it from was

www.safeminds.org It's a great site by the way. I don't know if you

will find it though I used a link from that site right to the lawyers

site. Can't find the url now.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Sheri Nakken [mailto:vaccineinfo@b...]

> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 4:42 AM

>

> AUTISM FIRST STEPS

> AUTISM DAILY NEWSLETTER

> Thursday January 3, 2002

> SPECIAL EDITION

>

>

> INDEX:

> * Secert CDC study: Thimerosal an autism risk

> * Press Release Containing Link to the Unreleased CDC report

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At 02:22 PM 01/07/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Do vaccines without mercury pose the same threat of autism as vaxs without

mercury?

Is this food for thought for the group?

Autism has followed most any vaccine there is - MMR doesn't have mercury

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

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http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

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This message had the virus Joke.exe infection, which my Norton Anti Virus

quarantined...just to warn the rest of the list.......

~Nessie~

Proud To Be An American~

Re: Autism & vaccination

> has anyone been able to download the actual report? I can only seem

to get

> the cover page and would love to see the rest of it.

>

> Thanks,

> Meryl

>

Meryl, I have the report. The group does not except attachments. I

could e-mail you the report to download but, the quality of it is not

very good. I know the sight I was able to download it from was

www.safeminds.org It's a great site by the way. I don't know if you

will find it though I used a link from that site right to the lawyers

site. Can't find the url now.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Sheri Nakken [mailto:vaccineinfo@b...]

> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 4:42 AM

>

> AUTISM FIRST STEPS

> AUTISM DAILY NEWSLETTER

> Thursday January 3, 2002

> SPECIAL EDITION

>

>

> INDEX:

> * Secert CDC study: Thimerosal an autism risk

> * Press Release Containing Link to the Unreleased CDC report

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No Sheri, its not food for thought!! A statement was made to me by someone else

that they use mercury-free vaccines therefore there was no threat of their child

getting autism. Most people associate autism with mercury, myself included and

I'm not 100% sure of the connection for vaccines without mercury - wanted to be

sure before I respond. Doesn't multi dose MMR have thirmisol, at least in the

past??

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At 02:22 PM 01/07/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Do vaccines without mercury pose the same threat of autism as vaxs without

mercury?

Is this food for thought for the group?

Autism has followed most any vaccine there is - MMR doesn't have mercury

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

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Kathleen, You are right about there being evidence of mercury being used in

the manufacturing process of MMR. Sandy

http://www.vaccinationnews.com

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

Re: Re: Autism & vaccination

Good point about autism following other vaccines as well. About mercury in

the MMR - I know it is not added, but I thought I understood mercury to be

used in the manufacturing process, thus mercury (just to a lesser degree)

would still be in the MMR. Thoughts?

Kathleen

In a message dated 1/7/2002 1:50:17 PM Central Standard Time,

vaccineinfo@... writes:

> >Do vaccines without mercury pose the same threat of autism as vaxs

without

> mercury?

>

> Is this food for thought for the group?

> Autism has followed most any vaccine there is - MMR doesn't have mercury

>

The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the

disease. ~ Voltaire, French Philosopher (1694-1778)

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This list doesn't accept or give out attachments so not sure what you are

talking about.

Sheri

At 02:58 PM 01/07/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>This message had the virus Joke.exe infection, which my Norton Anti Virus

quarantined...just to warn the rest of the list.......

>~Nessie~

>Proud To Be An American~

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

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At 02:59 PM 01/07/2002 EST, you wrote:

>Good point about autism following other vaccines as well. About mercury in

>the MMR - I know it is not added, but I thought I understood mercury to be

>used in the manufacturing process, thus mercury (just to a lesser degree)

>would still be in the MMR. Thoughts?

>

>Kathleen

>

We have never gotten clarity on that

that I know of

From a homeopathic perspective any disturbance in the vital force from

anything acn lead to symptoms and in some that would be autism.

Antibioitics have caused severe developmental delays in children too

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

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The MMR even without mercury causes encephalitis,,,,,. autism is considered

by many to be post vaccinaiton encephalitis syndrome.

>

>No mercury isn't the whole issue (no multi dose MMR doesn't have mercury -

>it is a live vaccine and mercury would kill it) no live vaccines have

>preservatives. I don't know if MMR is multi dose or single dose either.

>

>It may be that after the mercury in all the other vaccines, the mMR is the

>straw that breaks the camels back, but I'm not sure about that.

>There are several mechanisms here probably resulting in different types of

>damage for different children.

>

>I knew people would start to think they were safe after mercury taken out -

>I said that years ago! Mercury is only part of the issue.

>The vaccines damage, damage --- period. Each child is affected in

>different ways depending on susceptibility - some ear infections, some

>brain damage, some arthritis, some immune system diseases, but ALL of us

>are affected someway for the most part.

>--------------------------------------------------------

>Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

>Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

>$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

>vaccineinfo@...

>(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

>PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

>ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

>DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

>Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

>International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

>Education, Homeopathic Education

>CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

>

>

>

>

>

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At 03:02 PM 01/07/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>No Sheri, its not food for thought!! A statement was made to me by

someone else that they use mercury-free vaccines therefore there was no

threat of their child getting autism. Most people associate autism with

mercury, myself included and I'm not 100% sure of the connection for

vaccines without mercury - wanted to be sure before I respond. Doesn't

multi dose MMR have thirmisol, at least in the past??

>

>

Sorry - Dawn - just thought you were stimulateing discussion.

No mercury isn't the whole issue (no multi dose MMR doesn't have mercury -

it is a live vaccine and mercury would kill it) no live vaccines have

preservatives. I don't know if MMR is multi dose or single dose either.

It may be that after the mercury in all the other vaccines, the mMR is the

straw that breaks the camels back, but I'm not sure about that.

There are several mechanisms here probably resulting in different types of

damage for different children.

I knew people would start to think they were safe after mercury taken out -

I said that years ago! Mercury is only part of the issue.

The vaccines damage, damage --- period. Each child is affected in

different ways depending on susceptibility - some ear infections, some

brain damage, some arthritis, some immune system diseases, but ALL of us

are affected someway for the most part.

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It is not absolutely verified - that's why I said there was " evidence " .

(Although in my defense, I had sent the last one out before you had asked

your question, which is why I didn't address it.)

Liz Burt is the one who said that researcher from the University of Kentucky

had testified it to Congress, though, I believe. Maybe I can fnd it

sometime.

Sandy from Alaska

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RE: Re: Autism & vaccination

At 11:13 AM 01/07/2002 -0900, you wrote:

>Kathleen, You are right about there being evidence of mercury being used in

>the manufacturing process of MMR. Sandy

>

>http://www.vaccinationnews.com

Where do we have it absolutely verified?

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At 11:13 AM 01/07/2002 -0900, you wrote:

>Kathleen, You are right about there being evidence of mercury being used in

>the manufacturing process of MMR. Sandy

>

>http://www.vaccinationnews.com

Where do we have it absolutely verified?

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That's the letter I'm talking about, from Liz Burt, concerning the

researcher at U of Kentucky.

Sandy

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IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

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WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

Re: Re: Autism & vaccination

I remember I saw something that came from THIS list! It was how someone had

had a lab analyze the MMR and found mercury in it. I can't remember the

name. I posted the info on Mothering several months ago, but they lost all

their old threads. Don't know if I have it in my file cabinet or not.

Kathleen

In a message dated 1/7/2002 2:31:23 PM Central Standard Time,

sandym@... writes:

> It is not absolutely verified - that's why I said there was " evidence " .

> (Although in my defense, I had sent the last one out before you had asked

> your question, which is why I didn't address it.)

>

> Liz Burt is the one who said that researcher from the University of

> Kentucky

> had testified it to Congress, though, I believe. Maybe I can fnd it

> sometime.

>

> Sandy from Alaska

>

> http://www.vaccinationnews.com

>

>

The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the

disease. ~ Voltaire, French Philosopher (1694-1778)

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Oooooh Sue, right on target! Heeheehee

Kathleen

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disease. ~ Voltaire, French Philosopher (1694-1778)

In a message dated 1/7/2002 7:30:16 PM Central Standard Time,

angelmouse55@... writes:

> Not to mention the fact that formaldehyde is carcinogenic, and aluminium is

> strongly linked with early onset Alzheimer's...

>

> Can someone also tell me why vegans and vegetarians often give me a hard

> time for eating meat, but happily stick vaccines full of bovine products

> into their children? That smacks of hypocrisy to me too! Along with

> Catholics who will cheerfully have the MMR and Chickenpox vaxes?

>

> Sue

>

> > Re: Re: Autism & vaccination

> >

> >

> > as far as i can work out, there are other things like formaldehyde and

> > aluminium in vaccinations that are equally permanently damaging

> > to immature

> > nerves that are not properly covered with myelin.

> >

> >

> > kim

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Good point about autism following other vaccines as well.

> > About mercury in

> > > the MMR - I know it is not added, but I thought I understood

> > mercury to be

> > > used in the manufacturing process, thus mercury (just to a

> > lesser degree)

> > > would still be in the MMR. Thoughts?

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> In a message dated 01/07/2002 2:48:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> Hjfasufi@a... writes:

>

>

> > Check out Sheri and Sandy's sites. Search the archives for

vaccine

> > ingredients. Read my PREVNAR post. These vaccines are being put

directly

> > into

> > the bloodstream. The diseases themselves are spread though the

air or body

> > and passed through normal routes of the body. I'm convinced my

husband got

> > sick from a strain that was in that vaccine and, it went straight

into his

> > bloodstream. Doctors told me there is an incubation period. Yes,

that is

> > true

> > when you get the disease through normal routes.

> >

> >

>

> The vaccines should not be administered into the bloodstream! The

insert

> says that the one who is administering the vaccine should draw back

on the

> needle to make sure there is not blood before administering the

vaccine.

> x * x :._.:*x x x*:._x . :

> Happy New Year

>

Yes, I do know that. My MIL is a nurse when I told her what happened

she knew capillaries were broke. I saw blood and some of the vaccine

come back out. That is not to say he would not have reacted anyway

but, my husband would not have gotten sick.

>

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