Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 In a message dated 1/7/02 11:44:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, Hjfasufi writes: << << Do vaccines without mercury pose the same threat of autism as vaxs without mercury? Re: Autism & vaccination >> Check out Sheri and Sandy's sites. Search the archives for vaccine ingredients. Read my PREVNAR post. These vaccines are being put directly into the bloodstream. The diseases themselves are spread though the air or body and passed through normal routes of the body. I'm convinced my husband got sick from a strain that was in that vaccine and, it went straight into his bloodstream. Doctors told me there is an incubation period. Yes, that is true when you get the disease through normal routes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 Good point about autism following other vaccines as well. About mercury in the MMR - I know it is not added, but I thought I understood mercury to be used in the manufacturing process, thus mercury (just to a lesser degree) would still be in the MMR. Thoughts? Kathleen In a message dated 1/7/2002 1:50:17 PM Central Standard Time, vaccineinfo@... writes: > >Do vaccines without mercury pose the same threat of autism as vaxs without > mercury? > > Is this food for thought for the group? > Autism has followed most any vaccine there is - MMR doesn't have mercury > The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease. ~ Voltaire, French Philosopher (1694-1778) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 I remember I saw something that came from THIS list! It was how someone had had a lab analyze the MMR and found mercury in it. I can't remember the name. I posted the info on Mothering several months ago, but they lost all their old threads. Don't know if I have it in my file cabinet or not. Kathleen In a message dated 1/7/2002 2:31:23 PM Central Standard Time, sandym@... writes: > It is not absolutely verified - that's why I said there was " evidence " . > (Although in my defense, I had sent the last one out before you had asked > your question, which is why I didn't address it.) > > Liz Burt is the one who said that researcher from the University of > Kentucky > had testified it to Congress, though, I believe. Maybe I can fnd it > sometime. > > Sandy from Alaska > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > > The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease. ~ Voltaire, French Philosopher (1694-1778) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 Sandy, do the separate shots for mmr contain thermisal? x * x :._.:*x x x*:._x . : Happy New Year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 as far as i can work out, there are other things like formaldehyde and aluminium in vaccinations that are equally permanently damaging to immature nerves that are not properly covered with myelin. kim > > > > Good point about autism following other vaccines as well. About mercury in > the MMR - I know it is not added, but I thought I understood mercury to be > used in the manufacturing process, thus mercury (just to a lesser degree) > would still be in the MMR. Thoughts? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 AUTISM FIRST STEPS AUTISM DAILY NEWSLETTER Thursday January 3, 2002 SPECIAL EDITION INDEX: * Secert CDC study: Thimerosal an autism risk * Press Release Containing Link to the Unreleased CDC report ****************************** Secert CDC study: Thimerosal an autism risk An unreleased confidential report by Center's for Disease Control (CDC) scientists reveals that exposure to significant amounts of mercury during the first months of life significantly increases a child's risk of developing autism, according to an attorney with the law firm of Walters & Kraus. The firm is a part of a coalition of law firms, representing families in at least 25 states, that has filed lawsuits in an attempt to force drug companies to investigate the possible link between mercury and developmental disorders. Attorney Andy Walters says that the unreleased CDC report, obtained by the SAFEMINDS advocacy group, found a 2.48 times increased risk of autism in children exposed to more then 62.5 micrograms of mercury before they were 3 months of age. In a press release, Walters and Kraus notes that " in the United States, courts of law have generally held that a relative increased risk of 2.0 or higher is sufficient to substantiate that a given exposure causes disease. " Walters says that in many of the cases that his firm has evaluated, autistic children have received more than 62.5 micrograms of mercury through pediatric vaccines. A report made public by the CDC in the fall claimed that the thimerosal, the mercury containing preservative used in many vaccines, could not be linked to autism, while calling on Physicians to avoid thimerosal containing vaccines when possible. However, according to Walters & Kraus, the confidential CDC report states: " As for the exposure evaluated at 3 months of age, we found increasing risks of " neurological developmental disorders " with increasing cumulative exposure to thimerosal... within the group of " developmental disorders " ... for the subgroup called " specific delays, " and within the this subgroup for the specific disorder " developmental speech disorder, " and for " autism " " stuttering " and " attention deficit disorder " . Walters says the report's contents, and the fact that it was kept secret, are " shocking, but unfortunately not surprising, given the political influence of pharmaceutical companies and the tremendous liability they face if they are forced to compensate thousands of families for the costs of care that these children require " . Press Release, Walters & Kraus, 2001 ****************************** PRESS RELEASE An announcement was made today by the law firm of Waters & Kraus, the firm that filed the first known lawsuit alleging that a mercury preservative in children's vaccines caused neurological damage to an infant ultimately diagnosed with autism. Waters & Kraus is leading a consortium of ten firms in as many states that are actively prosecuting cases of this nature (firms listed below). Andy Waters, the lead attorney in the cases, announced that his firm is now in possession of a previously unreleased confidential report authored by Centers for Disease Control scientists which studied autism as a potential neurological injury caused by mercury in children's vaccines. A different version of the report was made public and has been cited by the recent Institute of Medicine study as inconclusive on the issue of whether the mercury-based vaccine preservative known as Thimerosal has contributed to cause a nationwide epidemic of regressive autism and other neurological disorders in small children. The confidential version of the study, however, clearly demonstrated that an exposure to more than 62.5 micrograms of mercury within the first three months of life significantly increased a child's risk of developing autism. Specifically, the study found a 2.48 times increased risk of autism _ that is to say, children with the exposure were more than twice as likely to develop autism as children not exposed. Click here to view the full report Secert CDC vaccine study Thimerosal an autism risk (27 pages formatted in TIFF) In the United States, courts of law have generally held that a relative increased risk of 2.0 or higher is sufficient to substantiate that a given exposure causes disease. As but one example, in the case of Cook v. United States, 545 F.Supp. 306, at 308 (Northern District _ California 1982) the Court stated that, " in a vaccine case, a relative risk greater than 2.0 establishes that there is a greater than 50% chance that the injury was caused by the vaccine. " Waters indicated that, in many of the cases his firm has evaluated, including the case filed in a Texas state court on behalf of the Counter family, the affected child received more than 62.5 micrograms of mercury through pediatric vaccines in the first three months of life. The confidential report, which was obtained by the SAFEMINDS support and advocacy group, states: " As for the exposure evaluated at 3 months of age, we found increasing risks of 'neurological developmental disorders' with increasing cumulative exposure to thimerosal ... within the group of 'developmental disorders'... for the sub_group called 'specific delays,' and within this sub_group for the specific disorder 'developmental speech disorder,' and for 'autism,' 'stuttering' and 'attention deficit disorder.' " The report also contained the graph depicted below which illustrated the report's findings of a child's increasing risk of developing the neurological symptoms of autism after receiving increasing amounts of thimerosal.Graph 3: Relative risk – 95 % CI of Autism after different exposure levels of thimerosal at 3 months of age, NCK & GHCWaters pointed out that the confidential study's lead author, Verstraeten, has since left the Centers for Disease Control and is now employed by GlaxoKline, a manufacturer of thimerosal_containing vaccines for many years that is a defendant in numerous suits pending nationwide. " We have asked GlaxoKline to provide Mr. Verstraeten's deposition in order to understand if conflict of interest issues may have played a role in the CDC's decision to keep this report confidential, and specifically, their failure to reveal it to the Institute of Medicine. " Waters called the report's contents and the fact that it was kept from the public as " shocking, but unfortunately not surprising, given the political influence of pharmaceutical companies and the tremendous liability they face if they are forced to compensate thousands of families for the costs of care that these children require. " Waters added that " no amount of money can give these children back the potential that they were born with, and no amount of money will comfort the parents that watched helplessly as their children literally just slipped away. " The purpose of the lawsuits his firm is currently prosecuting, said Waters, is " to bring to the surface the truth on this issue, a truth that government agencies seem unwilling to admit, perhaps for fear that parents will stop vaccinating their children, and to force the companies that profited from this disastrous mistake to shoulder the responsibility that so many families now bear on their own, often without even the aid of health insurance benefits. " Media inquiries should be directed to Miles at 214-357-6244.Client inquiries should be directed to Gibson, toll-free at 1-866-829-7529, or to the firms listed below.Other firms working with Waters & Kraus to prosecute individual cases involving thimerosal exposure are:ANDERSON & KRIGER, APLC40925 County Center Drive, Suite 210Temecula, California 92591Telephone: 909.296.5090DOGAN & WILKINSON726 Delmas AvenuePascagoula, Mississippi 39567Telephone: 228.762.2272 DORAN & MURPHY, LLP1234 Delaware AvenueBuffalo, New York 14209Telephone: 716.884.2000EVERT & WEATHERSBY, L.L.C.3405 Piedmont Road, Suite 225Atlanta, Georgia 30305-1764Telephone : 404.233.8718HENDRICKSON & LONG214 Capital StreetP.O. Box 11070ton, W. VA 25339Telephone: 304.346.5500JONES, MARTIN, PARRIS, & TESSENER LAW OFFICES, PLLC410 Glenwood Ave., Suite 200Raleigh, North Carolina 27603Telephone: 919.821.0005LEACH, SCHWARZ & STRASSBERG11 Bala Ave.Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania 19004Telephone: 610.668.7964MARTZELL & BICKFORD338 Lafayette StreetNew Orleans, Louisianna 70130Telephone: 504.581.90653555 College AvenueWISE & JULIAN, PC3555 College AvenueAlton, Illinois 62002Telephone: 618.462.2600 To View this CDC Unreleased reportit will be found in the 2nd paragraph: click on the link that states: Click here to view the full report (27 pages formatted in TIFF) or click below Secert CDC vaccine study Thimerosal an autism risk http://autismawakeninginia.bizland.com/secertcdcvaccinestudythimerosalanauti smrisk/ This story and the link listed above is found here at: http://autismawakeninginia.bizland.com/secertcdcvaccinestudythimerosalanauti smrisk/ ****************************** Autism Awakening, Autism FIrst Steps Newsletter, or any staff do not endorse any individuals, groups or programs. 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Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 > has anyone been able to download the actual report? I can only seem to get > the cover page and would love to see the rest of it. > > Thanks, > Meryl > Meryl, I have the report. The group does not except attachments. I could e-mail you the report to download but, the quality of it is not very good. I know the sight I was able to download it from was www.safeminds.org It's a great site by the way. I don't know if you will find it though I used a link from that site right to the lawyers site. Can't find the url now. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheri Nakken [mailto:vaccineinfo@b...] > Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 4:42 AM > > AUTISM FIRST STEPS > AUTISM DAILY NEWSLETTER > Thursday January 3, 2002 > SPECIAL EDITION > > > INDEX: > * Secert CDC study: Thimerosal an autism risk > * Press Release Containing Link to the Unreleased CDC report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 Do vaccines without mercury pose the same threat of autism as vaxs without mercury? Re: Autism & vaccination > has anyone been able to download the actual report? I can only seem to get > the cover page and would love to see the rest of it. > > Thanks, > Meryl > Meryl, I have the report. The group does not except attachments. I could e-mail you the report to download but, the quality of it is not very good. I know the sight I was able to download it from was www.safeminds.org It's a great site by the way. I don't know if you will find it though I used a link from that site right to the lawyers site. Can't find the url now. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheri Nakken [mailto:vaccineinfo@b...] > Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 4:42 AM > > AUTISM FIRST STEPS > AUTISM DAILY NEWSLETTER > Thursday January 3, 2002 > SPECIAL EDITION > > > INDEX: > * Secert CDC study: Thimerosal an autism risk > * Press Release Containing Link to the Unreleased CDC report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 There is a lot we don't know about autism and vaccines, but besides mercury and vaccines is the MMR and autism issue, which Wakefield is studying, as well as the possibility that DPT and other vaccines might have been responsible for the earlier form of autism, which struck younger children. I would recommend that you use my website to investigate this issue, first by typing in autism and then narrowing the search once you get a handle on what aspects you are concerned with. Sandy from Alaska http://www.vaccinationnews.com ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. Re: Re: Autism & vaccination Do vaccines without mercury pose the same threat of autism as vaxs without mercury? Re: Autism & vaccination > has anyone been able to download the actual report? I can only seem to get > the cover page and would love to see the rest of it. > > Thanks, > Meryl > Meryl, I have the report. The group does not except attachments. I could e-mail you the report to download but, the quality of it is not very good. I know the sight I was able to download it from was www.safeminds.org It's a great site by the way. I don't know if you will find it though I used a link from that site right to the lawyers site. Can't find the url now. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheri Nakken [mailto:vaccineinfo@b...] > Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 4:42 AM > > AUTISM FIRST STEPS > AUTISM DAILY NEWSLETTER > Thursday January 3, 2002 > SPECIAL EDITION > > > INDEX: > * Secert CDC study: Thimerosal an autism risk > * Press Release Containing Link to the Unreleased CDC report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 Hi , I downloaded the image but it is just one page. where is the rest of it? Were you able to read more than one page when you downloaded it? Thanks, Meryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 I also put it on my website earlier today - January 6, 2002. Sandy from Alaska http://www.vaccinationnews.com ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. Re: Autism & vaccination > has anyone been able to download the actual report? I can only seem to get > the cover page and would love to see the rest of it. > > Thanks, > Meryl > Meryl, I have the report. The group does not except attachments. I could e-mail you the report to download but, the quality of it is not very good. I know the sight I was able to download it from was www.safeminds.org It's a great site by the way. I don't know if you will find it though I used a link from that site right to the lawyers site. Can't find the url now. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheri Nakken [mailto:vaccineinfo@b...] > Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 4:42 AM > > AUTISM FIRST STEPS > AUTISM DAILY NEWSLETTER > Thursday January 3, 2002 > SPECIAL EDITION > > > INDEX: > * Secert CDC study: Thimerosal an autism risk > * Press Release Containing Link to the Unreleased CDC report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 At 02:22 PM 01/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Do vaccines without mercury pose the same threat of autism as vaxs without mercury? Is this food for thought for the group? Autism has followed most any vaccine there is - MMR doesn't have mercury -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 This message had the virus Joke.exe infection, which my Norton Anti Virus quarantined...just to warn the rest of the list....... ~Nessie~ Proud To Be An American~ Re: Autism & vaccination > has anyone been able to download the actual report? I can only seem to get > the cover page and would love to see the rest of it. > > Thanks, > Meryl > Meryl, I have the report. The group does not except attachments. I could e-mail you the report to download but, the quality of it is not very good. I know the sight I was able to download it from was www.safeminds.org It's a great site by the way. I don't know if you will find it though I used a link from that site right to the lawyers site. Can't find the url now. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheri Nakken [mailto:vaccineinfo@b...] > Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 4:42 AM > > AUTISM FIRST STEPS > AUTISM DAILY NEWSLETTER > Thursday January 3, 2002 > SPECIAL EDITION > > > INDEX: > * Secert CDC study: Thimerosal an autism risk > * Press Release Containing Link to the Unreleased CDC report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 No Sheri, its not food for thought!! A statement was made to me by someone else that they use mercury-free vaccines therefore there was no threat of their child getting autism. Most people associate autism with mercury, myself included and I'm not 100% sure of the connection for vaccines without mercury - wanted to be sure before I respond. Doesn't multi dose MMR have thirmisol, at least in the past?? Re: Re: Autism & vaccination At 02:22 PM 01/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Do vaccines without mercury pose the same threat of autism as vaxs without mercury? Is this food for thought for the group? Autism has followed most any vaccine there is - MMR doesn't have mercury -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 Kathleen, You are right about there being evidence of mercury being used in the manufacturing process of MMR. Sandy http://www.vaccinationnews.com ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. Re: Re: Autism & vaccination Good point about autism following other vaccines as well. About mercury in the MMR - I know it is not added, but I thought I understood mercury to be used in the manufacturing process, thus mercury (just to a lesser degree) would still be in the MMR. Thoughts? Kathleen In a message dated 1/7/2002 1:50:17 PM Central Standard Time, vaccineinfo@... writes: > >Do vaccines without mercury pose the same threat of autism as vaxs without > mercury? > > Is this food for thought for the group? > Autism has followed most any vaccine there is - MMR doesn't have mercury > The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease. ~ Voltaire, French Philosopher (1694-1778) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 This list doesn't accept or give out attachments so not sure what you are talking about. Sheri At 02:58 PM 01/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: >This message had the virus Joke.exe infection, which my Norton Anti Virus quarantined...just to warn the rest of the list....... >~Nessie~ >Proud To Be An American~ -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 At 02:59 PM 01/07/2002 EST, you wrote: >Good point about autism following other vaccines as well. About mercury in >the MMR - I know it is not added, but I thought I understood mercury to be >used in the manufacturing process, thus mercury (just to a lesser degree) >would still be in the MMR. Thoughts? > >Kathleen > We have never gotten clarity on that that I know of From a homeopathic perspective any disturbance in the vital force from anything acn lead to symptoms and in some that would be autism. Antibioitics have caused severe developmental delays in children too -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 The MMR even without mercury causes encephalitis,,,,,. autism is considered by many to be post vaccinaiton encephalitis syndrome. > >No mercury isn't the whole issue (no multi dose MMR doesn't have mercury - >it is a live vaccine and mercury would kill it) no live vaccines have >preservatives. I don't know if MMR is multi dose or single dose either. > >It may be that after the mercury in all the other vaccines, the mMR is the >straw that breaks the camels back, but I'm not sure about that. >There are several mechanisms here probably resulting in different types of >damage for different children. > >I knew people would start to think they were safe after mercury taken out - >I said that years ago! Mercury is only part of the issue. >The vaccines damage, damage --- period. Each child is affected in >different ways depending on susceptibility - some ear infections, some >brain damage, some arthritis, some immune system diseases, but ALL of us >are affected someway for the most part. >-------------------------------------------------------- >Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA >Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK >$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account >vaccineinfo@... >(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail >PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US >http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm >ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE >DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. >Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours >http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin >International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers >Education, Homeopathic Education >CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 At 03:02 PM 01/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: >No Sheri, its not food for thought!! A statement was made to me by someone else that they use mercury-free vaccines therefore there was no threat of their child getting autism. Most people associate autism with mercury, myself included and I'm not 100% sure of the connection for vaccines without mercury - wanted to be sure before I respond. Doesn't multi dose MMR have thirmisol, at least in the past?? > > Sorry - Dawn - just thought you were stimulateing discussion. No mercury isn't the whole issue (no multi dose MMR doesn't have mercury - it is a live vaccine and mercury would kill it) no live vaccines have preservatives. I don't know if MMR is multi dose or single dose either. It may be that after the mercury in all the other vaccines, the mMR is the straw that breaks the camels back, but I'm not sure about that. There are several mechanisms here probably resulting in different types of damage for different children. I knew people would start to think they were safe after mercury taken out - I said that years ago! Mercury is only part of the issue. The vaccines damage, damage --- period. Each child is affected in different ways depending on susceptibility - some ear infections, some brain damage, some arthritis, some immune system diseases, but ALL of us are affected someway for the most part. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 It is not absolutely verified - that's why I said there was " evidence " . (Although in my defense, I had sent the last one out before you had asked your question, which is why I didn't address it.) Liz Burt is the one who said that researcher from the University of Kentucky had testified it to Congress, though, I believe. Maybe I can fnd it sometime. Sandy from Alaska http://www.vaccinationnews.com ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. RE: Re: Autism & vaccination At 11:13 AM 01/07/2002 -0900, you wrote: >Kathleen, You are right about there being evidence of mercury being used in >the manufacturing process of MMR. Sandy > >http://www.vaccinationnews.com Where do we have it absolutely verified? -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 At 11:13 AM 01/07/2002 -0900, you wrote: >Kathleen, You are right about there being evidence of mercury being used in >the manufacturing process of MMR. Sandy > >http://www.vaccinationnews.com Where do we have it absolutely verified? -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 That's the letter I'm talking about, from Liz Burt, concerning the researcher at U of Kentucky. Sandy http://www.vaccinationnews.com ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. Re: Re: Autism & vaccination I remember I saw something that came from THIS list! It was how someone had had a lab analyze the MMR and found mercury in it. I can't remember the name. I posted the info on Mothering several months ago, but they lost all their old threads. Don't know if I have it in my file cabinet or not. Kathleen In a message dated 1/7/2002 2:31:23 PM Central Standard Time, sandym@... writes: > It is not absolutely verified - that's why I said there was " evidence " . > (Although in my defense, I had sent the last one out before you had asked > your question, which is why I didn't address it.) > > Liz Burt is the one who said that researcher from the University of > Kentucky > had testified it to Congress, though, I believe. Maybe I can fnd it > sometime. > > Sandy from Alaska > > http://www.vaccinationnews.com > > The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease. ~ Voltaire, French Philosopher (1694-1778) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 Sue, wouldn't it be a wonderful world if we could all live and let live?? x * x :._.:*x x x*:._x . : Happy New Year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 Oooooh Sue, right on target! Heeheehee Kathleen Vaccine info at http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccines.htm www.vaccinationnews.com The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease. ~ Voltaire, French Philosopher (1694-1778) In a message dated 1/7/2002 7:30:16 PM Central Standard Time, angelmouse55@... writes: > Not to mention the fact that formaldehyde is carcinogenic, and aluminium is > strongly linked with early onset Alzheimer's... > > Can someone also tell me why vegans and vegetarians often give me a hard > time for eating meat, but happily stick vaccines full of bovine products > into their children? That smacks of hypocrisy to me too! Along with > Catholics who will cheerfully have the MMR and Chickenpox vaxes? > > Sue > > > Re: Re: Autism & vaccination > > > > > > as far as i can work out, there are other things like formaldehyde and > > aluminium in vaccinations that are equally permanently damaging > > to immature > > nerves that are not properly covered with myelin. > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good point about autism following other vaccines as well. > > About mercury in > > > the MMR - I know it is not added, but I thought I understood > > mercury to be > > > used in the manufacturing process, thus mercury (just to a > > lesser degree) > > > would still be in the MMR. Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 > In a message dated 01/07/2002 2:48:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Hjfasufi@a... writes: > > > > Check out Sheri and Sandy's sites. Search the archives for vaccine > > ingredients. Read my PREVNAR post. These vaccines are being put directly > > into > > the bloodstream. The diseases themselves are spread though the air or body > > and passed through normal routes of the body. I'm convinced my husband got > > sick from a strain that was in that vaccine and, it went straight into his > > bloodstream. Doctors told me there is an incubation period. Yes, that is > > true > > when you get the disease through normal routes. > > > > > > The vaccines should not be administered into the bloodstream! The insert > says that the one who is administering the vaccine should draw back on the > needle to make sure there is not blood before administering the vaccine. > x * x :._.:*x x x*:._x . : > Happy New Year > Yes, I do know that. My MIL is a nurse when I told her what happened she knew capillaries were broke. I saw blood and some of the vaccine come back out. That is not to say he would not have reacted anyway but, my husband would not have gotten sick. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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