Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 In a message dated 1/7/2002 2:01:15 PM Central Standard Time, kcumming@... writes: > Of course, I already did ask what you were all doing with your > > children instead of vaccines (the answer was " nothing " , which sounded > > a little not enough to me !!). > > cecile, i think you cannot make a decision based on what other people are > doing. you really need to spend hours and hours at your computer > researching the articles that are written about vaccines. there are > hundreds. and you need to order some books from amazon such as " what every > parent should know about vaccination " (his chapter on the immune system is > amazing) and also " immunization the issue of our times - peggy o mara " . the > sanctity of human blood " by tim o shea is great and can be ordered off his > site www.thedoctorwithin.com > he is also running vaccinatoin seminars around the usa. > > good luck. its an agonizing decision. sorry if you felt we were being > flippant. > keep asking questions and doing research. > kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 In a message dated 1/8/02 12:23:29 AM GTB Standard Time, radiantmother@... writes: << > Of course, I already did ask what you were all doing with your > > children instead of vaccines (the answer was " nothing " , which sounded > > a little not enough to me !!). > > cecile, i think you cannot make a decision based on what other people are > doing. you really need to spend hours and hours at your computer > researching the articles that are written about vaccines. >> I agree.We all have different circumstances. I think the first thing you can do is bf,and do that as long as possible.If you are formula feeding look into ways to *boost* the formula. Avoid processed/junk foods...learn about nutrition and dietary influnces on health.Look into various types of alternative health,find practioners in those fields you are interested in. Learn about the diseases vaxed for(and not) and the various alternative/allopathic ways of treating them should the need arise. Some people are into nosodes(sp) in place of vaccines. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 I would jsut say that homeopathy is challenging in France. Non one other than an MD is allowed to practice and they are limited to really low potencies and they use a lot of combos. Probablybetter than nothing, but not a high quality of homeopathy there, sorry to say, in my and other's opinion. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 my geography is bad, but how far is Germany? aren't they way ahead in the natural health field? Kathy From: Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> > I would jsut say that homeopathy is challenging in France. Non one other > than an MD is allowed to practice and they are limited to really low > potencies and they use a lot of combos. Probablybetter than nothing, but > not a high quality of homeopathy there, sorry to say, in my and other's > opinion. > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 At 05:20 PM 01/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: >my geography is bad, but how far is Germany? >aren't they way ahead in the natural health field? >Kathy > ]Germany is next door to France and No, they aren't far ahead in my opinion. Homeopathy is not too great there either. I'd come across the channel to the UK! Sheri >From: Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> >> I would jsut say that homeopathy is challenging in France. Non one >other >> than an MD is allowed to practice and they are limited to really low >> potencies and they use a lot of combos. Probablybetter than nothing, >but >> not a high quality of homeopathy there, sorry to say, in my and >other's >> opinion. >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 " homeopathy is challenging in France " Sheri, It's probably why one of the homeopaths I am going to meet is importing his medications ? Cecile __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Hello Kim, Of course ! I will not follow blidly what other people are doing ! I am just " collecting " experiences of others in order to help me through my own research ! Thanks cécile __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Breastfeeding : I have been taking Tegretol (anti-epileptic medication) since two monthes after my first daughter was born. The doctor told me that I could not brest feed being under this medication. So, usually, I give the colostrum and a few milk, but stop before leaving the clinic (in France, for a standard delivery, you stay around 5 days in the clinic). I agree that it would be better to breats feed, but what can I do ?? Cécile __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Cecile, please understand, I was not insulting you!!! i hope you are not offended. I was trying to be helpful and welcoming and share my experience of this whole thing. sorry if you felt misunderstood. really, that was not my intention. kim > Sent from the Internet > > > > Hello Kim, > Of course ! I will not follow blidly what other people are doing ! I > am just " collecting " experiences of others in order to help me > through my own research ! > Thanks > cécile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 In a message dated 1/9/2002 1:18:53 AM Central Standard Time, cecilecogez@... writes: > I agree that it would be better to breats feed, but what can I do ?? > Cécile > cecile, i wonder if epilepsy can be treated homeopathically. im sure sheri will have some info on that if you are interested. My brother's epilepsy has been one of the major reasons i have been afraid to vaccinate - the dtp insert states taht if there is a history of seizures in the family, you should not use it. kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Sue, there are meds that have been approved for breastfeeding, yes, but it makes me nervous. how do they know they are safe?? however, i dont know which is the bigger risk, that or formula? kim In a message dated 1/9/2002 5:54:53 AM Central Standard Time, angelmouse55@... writes: > Subj:RE: cecile - questions > Date:1/9/2002 5:54:53 AM Central Standard Time > From:<A HREF= " mailto:angelmouse55@... " >angelmouse55@...</A> > Reply-to:<A HREF= " mailto:Vaccinations " >Vaccinations </A> > To:<A HREF= " mailto:Vaccinations " >Vaccinations </A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > Hi Cecile, > > Tegretol is now approved by the AAP for use in breastfeeding mothers > (although it may well have been contra-indicated when your daughter was > born) and anti-epileptic medication is generally not contra-indicated for > breastfeeding mothers in normal doses. Please remember that doctors know > very little about the drugs that they prescribe, but there are plenty of > standard reference texts around that detail the suitability of drugs in > breastfeeding. " Medications and Mothers' Milk " by Tom Hale is good, and I > also keep a copy of the BNF, updated each year. > > Please make sure your doctor is aware of the *real* facts when your twins > are born - they will benefit especially from being breastfed... > > Love, light and peace, > > Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 I would say formula. That is my personal beleif. have you looked on the laleche website? They have a lot of wonderful resources. x * x :._.:*x x x*:._x . : Happy New Year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Hi Cecile, Tegretol is now approved by the AAP for use in breastfeeding mothers (although it may well have been contra-indicated when your daughter was born) and anti-epileptic medication is generally not contra-indicated for breastfeeding mothers in normal doses. Please remember that doctors know very little about the drugs that they prescribe, but there are plenty of standard reference texts around that detail the suitability of drugs in breastfeeding. " Medications and Mothers' Milk " by Tom Hale is good, and I also keep a copy of the BNF, updated each year. Please make sure your doctor is aware of the *real* facts when your twins are born - they will benefit especially from being breastfed... Love, light and peace, Sue > Re: cecile - questions > > > Breastfeeding : I have been taking Tegretol (anti-epileptic > medication) since two monthes after my first daughter was born. The > doctor told me that I could not brest feed being under this > medication. So, usually, I give the colostrum and a few milk, but > stop before leaving the clinic (in France, for a standard delivery, > you stay around 5 days in the clinic). > I agree that it would be better to breats feed, but what can I do ?? > Cécile > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Kim, I was thinking the same thing. As I was reading Sue's wonderfully informative post and thinking ahhhh this is good news for Cecelia and she must be thrilled, I was also thinking " sure, they SAY it's safe, but they're wrong/lie so often, that I asked myself the question would I be willing to breastfeed my baby that drug, I don't believe I would. Kathleen Vaccine info at http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html <A HREF= " http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html " >VaccineWebsite.com</A> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccines.htm <A HREF= " http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " >Vaccination Information & Choice Network - Vaccine/Vaccination/Immunization Dangers</A> www.vaccinationnews.com <A HREF= " http://www.vaccinationnews.com/ " >New Page 1</A> The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease. ~ Voltaire, French Philosopher (1694-1778) In a message dated 1/9/2002 9:51:52 AM Central Standard Time, radiantmother@... writes: > Sue, there are meds that have been approved for breastfeeding, yes, but it > makes me nervous. how do they know they are safe?? however, i dont know > which > is the bigger risk, that or formula? > kim > Kathleen Vaccine info at http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html <A HREF= " http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html " >VaccineWebsite.com</A> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccines.htm <A HREF= " http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " >Vaccination Information & Choice Network - Vaccine/Vaccination/Immunization Dangers</A> www.vaccinationnews.com <A HREF= " http://www.vaccinationnews.com/ " >New Page 1</A> The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease. ~ Voltaire, French Philosopher (1694-1778) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 At 10:18 PM 01/08/2002 -0800, you wrote: > " homeopathy is challenging in France " > >Sheri, >It's probably why one of the homeopaths I am going to meet is >importing his medications ? >Cecile > Ahhhhhhh - tell me how it goes? -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 At 11:17 PM 01/08/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Breastfeeding : I have been taking Tegretol (anti-epileptic >medication) since two monthes after my first daughter was born. The >doctor told me that I could not brest feed being under this >medication. So, usually, I give the colostrum and a few milk, but >stop before leaving the clinic (in France, for a standard delivery, >you stay around 5 days in the clinic). >I agree that it would be better to breats feed, but what can I do ?? >Cécile > Hopefully the homeopath can help you so you don't have to take Tegretol. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 In a message dated 1/9/2002 11:23:14 AM Central Standard Time, cecilecogez@... writes: > having seizures, without anything that could make you > think it might happen, is really something, and considering I might > be driving, or carrying a baby .... > Cécile > i can totally understand your worry, cecile. kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 In a message dated 1/9/2002 11:51:55 AM Central Standard Time, angelmouse55@... writes: > But I sincerely believe that formula brings a whole host of medical problems > (sooner or later) for babies which, compounded with vaccines, end up with a > whole generation of kids being chronically sick. If nothing else a formula > fed baby is six times more likely to die of SIDS than a breastfed one and > 25 > times more likely to end up in hospital with gastro-intestinal problems... > > OH SUE, im completely with you. i was sort of being rhetorical!! totally with you, but there is also another option - raw goat milk and folic acid. however breast is the very very best. kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 In a message dated 1/9/2002 12:31:54 PM Central Standard Time, cecilecogez@... writes: > I have tried a > research on Medscape, and found articles for and articles against, so > this leaves me with a big question mark instead of a head ! > Cécile > cecile, the one thing about formula is they get no enzymes. its all cooked to death. there is not a single living thing you are giving them. this is serious. its a big problem. also they are not getting any immunity. so thats why i keep saying, if a mom cannot absolutely cannot breastfeed for medical reasons, then get a good source of raw goat milk. at least they will have the immune system of a goat!!! im kidding!!! oh now that was completely unconsicous. i shoudl say im really joking.... my daughter has a cup of raw goat milk a day and is doing so well, not the mucus nose and ears that pasturized milk gives (including formual). she is also breastfed (is now 14 months) kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 In a message dated 1/9/2002 12:54:28 PM Central Standard Time, angelmouse55@... writes: > Would you or Sheri prefer for me to take this off-group or is there enough > " public interest " to keep in on group? IM very interested sue. kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 it may be enough for the dtp but not all of them. im getting a religious one. kim In a message dated 1/9/2002 1:54:54 PM Central Standard Time, kcumming@... writes: > Subj:Re: cecile - questions > Date:1/9/2002 1:54:54 PM Central Standard Time > From:<A HREF= " mailto:kcumming@... " >kcumming@...</A> > Reply-to:<A HREF= " mailto:Vaccinations " >Vaccinations </A> > To:<A HREF= " mailto:Vaccinations " >Vaccinations </A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > so does that mean you have a medical exemption? > Kathy > > . My brother's epilepsy has > been one of the major reasons i have been afraid to vaccinate - the dtp > insert states taht if there is a history of seizures in the family, you > should not use it. > kim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Dear Kim, Sorry that my words could make you feel I was offended !! Don't worry, I was just stating my purpose ! I hope you forgive me, I am french, and I probably use sometimes english not as it should be ! Cécile __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 I had my first seizure at the age of almost 29, 2 monthes after my first daughter was born. The second happened when I was expecting my son, in 1997, I was almost 36 ... So, this is a kind of mild epilepsy, very well controlled by medications. It frightens me to consider stopping Tegretol and switching to homeopathy : having seizures, without anything that could make you think it might happen, is really something, and considering I might be driving, or carrying a baby .... Cécile __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 << I am french, and I probably use sometimes english not as it should be ! Cécile>> That's okay, I'm sure many of our UK friends think some of us Americans don't use English as it should be! (LOL... after having extensively traveled, I think what we speak over here should be called American, not English!!!) When we watch movies with British, ish, or Irish accents, we have to watch them at home so my husband can have his " closed captioning for the accent impaired " ... And you don't EVER want to hear his French... he speaks it with an American accent so badly that it's not really an accent... it's a speech impediment! (I tell him he would be guillotined for it!) Goldmeer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Hi Kim, In my honest and humble opinion, I sincerely believe that formula is the bigger risk. The source I cited (Hale) is pretty sound - he is a doctor (proper one, has doctorate) and wherever possible he prefers and recommends alternative remedies. He is one of the world's biggest breastfeeding advocates and I trust his judgement as much as anyone's. I think with a condition like Cecile's you have to weigh risk v. benefit. It would be infinitely more hazardous for her babies to be formula fed, or for her to have uncontrolled epilepsy. She *needs* to be sure it is under control, for her sake and that of her children, and the twins she is expecting. As she pointed out, it could prove disastrous for her children if it were not under control. This is one of those situations where you have to take on trust what the experts say - and they say that this medication is okay for breastfeeding mothers and that there are no paediatric concerns on this drug. It is lactation risk 2 - " this is a drug which has been studied in a limited number of breastfeeding women without an increase in adverse effects in the infant. And/or, the evidence of a demonstrated risk which is likely to follow use of this medication in a breastfeeding woman is remote " . It is even recommended that a mother who smokes and is unable to give up is providing more benefit to her baby by breastfeeding and smoking than bottle-feeding and not smoking. Ideally of course, she wouldn't smoke either but breastfeeding is considered more beneficial in these circumstances. As Sheri says, if homoeopathy can clear up this epilepsy, fine, but if not, I sincerely *believe* that Cecile would be better off breastfeeding and taking Tegretol in normal doses than formula feeding. To address your point, as a rule I would advise against synthetic drugs and go for alternative remedies while breastfeeding. Depends on the medical condition. But I sincerely believe that formula brings a whole host of medical problems (sooner or later) for babies which, compounded with vaccines, end up with a whole generation of kids being chronically sick. If nothing else a formula fed baby is six times more likely to die of SIDS than a breastfed one and 25 times more likely to end up in hospital with gastro-intestinal problems... Love, light and peace, Sue > Re: cecile - questions > > > Sue, there are meds that have been approved for breastfeeding, > yes, but it > makes me nervous. how do they know they are safe?? however, i > dont know which > is the bigger risk, that or formula? > kim > > In a message dated 1/9/2002 5:54:53 AM Central Standard Time, > angelmouse55@... writes: > > > > Subj:RE: cecile - questions > > Date:1/9/2002 5:54:53 AM Central Standard Time > > From:<A > HREF= " mailto:angelmouse55@... " >angelmouse55@btopenworl > d.com</A> > > Reply-to:<A > HREF= " mailto:Vaccinations " >Vaccinations@group > s.com</A> > > To:<A > HREF= " mailto:Vaccinations " >Vaccinations@group > s.com</A> > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > > > Hi Cecile, > > > > Tegretol is now approved by the AAP for use in breastfeeding mothers > > (although it may well have been contra-indicated when your daughter was > > born) and anti-epileptic medication is generally not > contra-indicated for > > breastfeeding mothers in normal doses. Please remember that > doctors know > > very little about the drugs that they prescribe, but there are plenty of > > standard reference texts around that detail the suitability of drugs in > > breastfeeding. " Medications and Mothers' Milk " by Tom Hale is > good, and I > > also keep a copy of the BNF, updated each year. > > > > Please make sure your doctor is aware of the *real* facts when > your twins > > are born - they will benefit especially from being breastfed... > > > > Love, light and peace, > > > > Sue > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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