RE: Chelation & sleep deprivation

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<< Andy,how long a period of time does this chelation take.....three

days, a month, a few months, two years ? What is your experience ? >>

6 months to 2 years.

If it is too painful to get up at night try chelating every 3 hours from

awakening to bedtime (they will sleep poorly that night anyway as a side

effect) and then skipping several days.

Depending on the person this may or may not be all right.

Even if it isn't all right at first, it may become tolerable later after

they are partway detoxed.

You have to put this aversion to getting up at night into perspective - if

the only way your child can get better is for you to get up every night for a

year, I am sure you will do it. The real question is what you do have to

do. I do NOT advocate any needless suffering on your part or your child's.

If getting up at night is too horrible to contemplate, try time release

DMSA/LA or LA, or try one day only cycles. If those are too tough you might

find motivation to get up after all. If they aren't so bad then in fact it

will have turned out you never did have to get up at night.

Andy Cutler

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<< And then to expect this child to go to school or even if homeschooled

to be able to learn the next day ?????? I don't think so. >>

If your kid gets a lot better they will very quickly make up for even a large

amount of missed school. If they aren't getting better you will very quickly

stop getting them up so there will be no problem.

Andy Cutler

[Guest guest]

<< What is time released DMSA/LA? >>

Compounding pharmacists claim they can mix up the DMSA and LA with this and

that stuff so that it slowly leaks out of the capsule over 8 hours instead of

all coming out at once like it does with normal capsules or tablets.

I am sure some of them actually can do this, but I suspect most of them just

whip up something and don't worry about it. I understand Dr. Amy found a

pharmacists who actually did some experiments to make sure it really did work

as advertised. You can get her recipe, or take your chances on what your

favorite compounding pharmacist does to you, or be safe and get up at night

to admnister the regular stuff.

Andy Cutler

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In a message dated 7/25/00 3:04:17 PM, rochester@...

writes:

<< I guess my main point in telling you all of this is to say that every

family can work something out that will work for them, and it may be

different than what anyone else does, but as long as it is not breaking

the basic rules (don't go too long between doses, and after you stop, skip

some time before starting again), it should all work out in the end. >>

This is absolutely correct. You don't have to do it exactly the same way as

everyone else. You just have to not violate a couple of basic rules. Within

those constraints be creative and find something that works for you.

Andy

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What is time released DMSA/LA?

Kathy

Re: [ ] Chelation & sleep deprivation

><< Andy,how long a period of time does this chelation take.....three

>days, a month, a few months, two years ? What is your experience ? >>

>

>6 months to 2 years.

>

>If it is too painful to get up at night try chelating every 3 hours from

>awakening to bedtime (they will sleep poorly that night anyway as a side

>effect) and then skipping several days.

>

>Depending on the person this may or may not be all right.

>

>Even if it isn't all right at first, it may become tolerable later after

>they are partway detoxed.

>

>You have to put this aversion to getting up at night into perspective - if

>the only way your child can get better is for you to get up every night for

a

>year, I am sure you will do it. The real question is what you do have to

>do. I do NOT advocate any needless suffering on your part or your child's.

>If getting up at night is too horrible to contemplate, try time release

>DMSA/LA or LA, or try one day only cycles. If those are too tough you

might

>find motivation to get up after all. If they aren't so bad then in fact it

>will have turned out you never did have to get up at night.

>

>Andy Cutler

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Jeannie,

I share your concern and am looking at trying the DMSA suppository since

my kid won't swallow capsules (yet).

RI MD (Really Important Moroccan Diplomat)

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:21:26 -0000 " Jeannie G " <sleep@...> writes:

> I am very unhappy listening to the manner in which the chelation

> appears to have to be done where the blood levels need to be kept

> even with 3 or 4 hour interval dosing throughout a 24 hour day

> several days on and off....and for who knows how long .

>

> This every 3 or 4 hour thing is a very bad idea as it regards to

> sleeping if the treatment needs to be kept up for any length of time

>

> ( like a year, for example ).

>

> One simply should not interrupt sleep ( yours or theirs ) to have a

> child wake and drink something down...which they may not do or may

> not be capable of doing anyway unless it is for a one time event or

> a

> short duration of time.

>

> I don't know about anyone elses child but I think mine wouldn't even

>

> be able to be awakened twice during the night...and if he would

> who's

> to say he would go back to sleep ? That then becomes a whole other

> problem for him and for the family.

>

> And then to expect this child to go to school or even if

> homeschooled

> to be able to learn the next day ?????? I don't think so.

>

> This would completely mess up the wake/sleep cycle and would mean

> your child would never get enough restorative sleep which has it's

> own dangers.

>

> Andy,how long a period of time does this chelation take.....three

> days, a month, a few months, two years ? What is your experience ?

> Jeannie

>

>

>

>

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Jeannie,

When we are chelating at night, I just mix it with a little water and

sqirt it down her throat with an eye dropper/syringe. She has never woken

up, and sleeps about 10 hours at a stretch. Our problem is that her

circadian rythym is screwed, and she keeps going around the clock, so we

are sleeping all day and are up all night a good part of the time.

The schedule we are doing is starting Sunday morning when she first gets

up, going through the night, and all through Monday until we go to bed

(which generally means one dose after she has fallen asleep). We then skip

two days, and start when she wakes up on Thursday and stop when we go to

bed Thursday night. The reason we do it this way is that my husband works

over 60 hours a week, and is too tired to get up to help much during the

night, and I am nursing the baby a lot at night, and need all the sleep I

can get, or the kids are apt to die the next day ;-)

My dh has Sundays and Mondays off, so when we go through Sunday night, we

take turns getting up, and neither one of us ends up too sleep deprived. I

don't know if this would work for anyone else, but it is what we have been

doing, and has made significant gains doing it this way this month.

I guess my main point in telling you all of this is to say that every

family can work something out that will work for them, and it may be

different than what anyone else does, but as long as it is not breaking

the basic rules (don't go too long between doses, and after you stop, skip

some time before starting again), it should all work out in the end.

I TOTALLY understand your fears, trust me on that one! The syringe method

while she is sleeping works out great for us. We would NEVER get her to

take a syringe full of anything while she is awake without WW3, but when

she is already asleep, she doesn't even wake up. Waking her up to get her

to take anything would be akin to asking me to cut my own arm off, and in

fact the arm may be more preferable!

Hope this helps with your questions.

rochester@...

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Jeannie,

We have been chelating our son for a while now and by now we have tried

every protocol of chelation. When we discovered this list we also found out

that we had been chelating the wrong way (1 DMSA capsule every other day).

We were initially hesitant to get up in the night and continue the dosage

for mostly the reasons you have listed.

However, the last time around we bit the bullet and did 3 cycles of 4 days

on/11 days off complete with night time feeding of the medicine. The results

of this round of chelation so far have been the best. So in our minds any

doubt about getting up in the middle of the night have evaporated. Yes it is

inconvenient but the child's improvement is incentive enough for that. Also,

our fears of him not going back to sleep did not materialize. We wake him

up, push the powder (from the DMSA capsule) in his mouth, give him some

water to drink and then he goes right back to sleep.

I am not qualified to say why one method works better than the other but as

a parent I can say confidently that round the clock chelation has worked the

best for our son.

sanjay

stikku@...

Re: [ ] Chelation & sleep deprivation

I am very unhappy listening to the manner in which the chelation

appears to have to be done where the blood levels need to be kept

even with 3 or 4 hour interval dosing throughout a 24 hour day

several days on and off....and for who knows how long .

This every 3 or 4 hour thing is a very bad idea as it regards to

sleeping if the treatment needs to be kept up for any length of time

( like a year, for example ).

One simply should not interrupt sleep ( yours or theirs ) to have a

child wake and drink something down...which they may not do or may

not be capable of doing anyway unless it is for a one time event or a

short duration of time.

I don't know about anyone elses child but I think mine wouldn't even

be able to be awakened twice during the night...and if he would who's

to say he would go back to sleep ? That then becomes a whole other

problem for him and for the family.

And then to expect this child to go to school or even if homeschooled

to be able to learn the next day ?????? I don't think so.

This would completely mess up the wake/sleep cycle and would mean

your child would never get enough restorative sleep which has it's

own dangers.

Andy,how long a period of time does this chelation take.....three

days, a month, a few months, two years ? What is your experience ?

Jeannie

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You can get sustained release capsules made by a compounding pharmacist. That

was the drugs are released slowly into the system and getting up every three

hours at night is not needed. Your child does have to be able to swallow this

type of capsule if you open it up there goes the SR action. YOu can take

these every 8 hours. Hope this helps, Val

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But what do you do if your kid is in school and afterschool program? Would

you trust them to give it to them every 3-4 hours?

In a message dated 7/25/2000 6:41:59 PM, howard78@... writes:

<< Jeannie,

I share your concern and am looking at trying the DMSA suppository since

my kid won't swallow capsules (yet).

RI MD (Really Important Moroccan Diplomat)

>>

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I am using the suppository on my son, and he doesn't even seem to notice it. I go in, pop it in, and I am back in bed asleep in less than five minutes. The difference I have seen in my son is more than worth any inconvenience of having to get up twice during the night. Besides, it goes in cycles: a week on, then you get a week off with uninterrupted sleep. Then a week " on " , then a week " off " . It's really not bad at all..

Maranie

Re: [ ] Chelation & sleep deprivationJeannie,I share your concern and am looking at trying the DMSA suppository sincemy kid won't swallow capsules (yet). RI MD (Really Important Moroccan Diplomat)On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:21:26 -0000 " Jeannie G " <sleep@...> writes:> I am very unhappy listening to the manner in which the chelation > appears to have to be done where the blood levels need to be kept > even with 3 or 4 hour interval dosing throughout a 24 hour day > several days on and off....and for who knows how long .> > This every 3 or 4 hour thing is a very bad idea as it regards to > sleeping if the treatment needs to be kept up for any length of time > > ( like a year, for example ). > > One simply should not interrupt sleep ( yours or theirs ) to have a > child wake and drink something down...which they may not do or may > not be capable of doing anyway unless it is for a one time event or > a > short duration of time. > > I don't know about anyone elses child but I think mine wouldn't even > > be able to be awakened twice during the night...and if he would > who's > to say he would go back to sleep ? That then becomes a whole other > problem for him and for the family.> > And then to expect this child to go to school or even if > homeschooled > to be able to learn the next day ?????? I don't think so.> > This would completely mess up the wake/sleep cycle and would mean > your child would never get enough restorative sleep which has it's > own dangers.> > Andy,how long a period of time does this chelation take.....three > days, a month, a few months, two years ? What is your experience ?> Jeannie> > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------> Free, Unlimited Calls Anywhere!> Visit Firetalk.com - click below.> 1/5479/9/_/705339/_/964545699/>------------------------------------------------------------------------> >

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Jeannie,

I don't have that problem yet since my son has just turned 4. However,

you could look at chelating from Friday after school to Monday morning,

and anytime there are days off giving a longer stretch of time.

(Please excuse the RI MD-that was a joke intended for a different

list!)

Chris

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:36:58 EDT DenNeg01@... writes:

> But what do you do if your kid is in school and afterschool program?

> Would

> you trust them to give it to them every 3-4 hours?

>

> In a message dated 7/25/2000 6:41:59 PM, howard78@... writes:

>

> << Jeannie,

> I share your concern and am looking at trying the DMSA suppository

> since

> my kid won't swallow capsules (yet).

> RI MD (Really Important Moroccan Diplomat)

> >>

>

>

>

>

>

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Maramie,

Is this where your getting your suppositories?

(pasted from another post):

Dr. Holmes has Prescription Compounds here in Baton Rouge, LA. compound

the

time released version for us.

Prescription Compounds

1-888-876-8778

compounds@...

fax: 225-766-7997

If not, can you provide your pharmacy info? Also do you know how

confident they are about the period of time over which the suppository

'works'? Is it really about 8 hours?

Also you're one of the few doing a 7 on, 7 off protocol. I recently

moved from a 3 on, 4 off to a 6 on, 8 off. How heavy is your kid and

what dosage of DMSA and LA (if any) are you giving? Any negative side

effects? How many months along are you?

My boy weighs about 43 lbs and I just moved up to 75 mg/day evenly

divided across his waking hours, and about 80 mg LA. No observable side

effects whatsoever. I want to move the dose up a bit, but feel I really

should bring up the night time levels...with a suppository.

Thanks a bunch,

Chris

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:09:50 -0500 " Maranie " <adams6@...>

writes:

> I am using the suppository on my son, and he doesn't even seem to

> notice it. I go in, pop it in, and I am back in bed asleep in less

> than five minutes. The difference I have seen in my son is more

> than worth any inconvenience of having to get up twice during the

> night. Besides, it goes in cycles: a week on, then you get a week

> off with uninterrupted sleep. Then a week " on " , then a week " off " .

> It's really not bad at all..

>

> Maranie

> Re: [ ] Chelation & sleep deprivation

>

>

> Jeannie,

> I share your concern and am looking at trying the DMSA

> suppository since

> my kid won't swallow capsules (yet).

> RI MD (Really Important Moroccan Diplomat)

>

> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:21:26 -0000 " Jeannie G " <sleep@...>

> writes:

> > I am very unhappy listening to the manner in which the

> chelation

> > appears to have to be done where the blood levels need to be

> kept

> > even with 3 or 4 hour interval dosing throughout a 24 hour day

>

> > several days on and off....and for who knows how long .

> >

> > This every 3 or 4 hour thing is a very bad idea as it regards

> to

> > sleeping if the treatment needs to be kept up for any length

> of time

> >

> > ( like a year, for example ).

> >

> > One simply should not interrupt sleep ( yours or theirs ) to

> have a

> > child wake and drink something down...which they may not do or

> may

> > not be capable of doing anyway unless it is for a one time

> event or

> > a

> > short duration of time.

> >

> > I don't know about anyone elses child but I think mine

> wouldn't even

> >

> > be able to be awakened twice during the night...and if he

> would

> > who's

> > to say he would go back to sleep ? That then becomes a whole

> other

> > problem for him and for the family.

> >

> > And then to expect this child to go to school or even if

> > homeschooled

> > to be able to learn the next day ?????? I don't think so.

> >

> > This would completely mess up the wake/sleep cycle and would

> mean

> > your child would never get enough restorative sleep which has

> it's

> > own dangers.

> >

> > Andy,how long a period of time does this chelation

> take.....three

> > days, a month, a few months, two years ? What is your

> experience ?

> > Jeannie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Hi

My son is a patient of Dr. Holmes, however, we have a wonderful compounding pharmacy here in Laurel, Mississippi. We use only suppositories day and night, because try as I might, I can't get Dean to swallow a pill!! He is on 50 mg DMSA supp. every four hours.( 300 mg / day) We haven't added the Lipoic Acid yet, as Dr. Holmes is waiting on confirmation that his body burden has come down low enough. I am doing a eight hour urine test today and sending it off , so hopefully by the next cycle the LA will be added. The suppositories are not timed release, so they have to be administered every four hours. I get up and pop it in, and he never even moves!

As far as side effects go, we aren't seeing much this time, but this is his second cycle on the 7 day on 7 day off protocol. He previously had 5 cycles of a 3 day on 11 day off cycle. The biggest side effect we see during chelation is increased stimming ( which consists of him grinding his teeth terribly, and slapping on the wall ) He has alot of tactile seeking behaviors, that normally aren't real noticeable , but when he is chelating,watch out! I can definitely see improvement in him in several areas with each round of chelation. His social skills have improved, and he is trying to communicate more regularly.

We started chelation in the end of April, so I guess we are at almost three months now. I am excited about adding the LA, I have heard it makes the most difference. Dean will be four on AUG 5th, and weighs about 43 lbs.

Are you using a DAN doctor to oversee the chelation? Or a pediatrician?

maranie

Re: [ ] Chelation & sleep deprivation> > > Jeannie,> I share your concern and am looking at trying the DMSA > suppository since> my kid won't swallow capsules (yet). > RI MD (Really Important Moroccan Diplomat)> > On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:21:26 -0000 " Jeannie G " <sleep@...> > writes:> > I am very unhappy listening to the manner in which the > chelation > > appears to have to be done where the blood levels need to be > kept > > even with 3 or 4 hour interval dosing throughout a 24 hour day > > > several days on and off....and for who knows how long .> > > > This every 3 or 4 hour thing is a very bad idea as it regards > to > > sleeping if the treatment needs to be kept up for any length > of time > > > > ( like a year, for example ). > > > > One simply should not interrupt sleep ( yours or theirs ) to > have a > > child wake and drink something down...which they may not do or > may > > not be capable of doing anyway unless it is for a one time > event or > > a > > short duration of time. > > > > I don't know about anyone elses child but I think mine > wouldn't even > > > > be able to be awakened twice during the night...and if he > would > > who's > > to say he would go back to sleep ? That then becomes a whole > other > > problem for him and for the family.> > > > And then to expect this child to go to school or even if > > homeschooled > > to be able to learn the next day ?????? I don't think so.> > > > This would completely mess up the wake/sleep cycle and would > mean > > your child would never get enough restorative sleep which has > it's > > own dangers.> > > > Andy,how long a period of time does this chelation > take.....three > > days, a month, a few months, two years ? What is your > experience ?> > Jeannie> > > > > > > > > >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------> > Free, Unlimited Calls Anywhere!> > Visit Firetalk.com - click below.> > 1/5479/9/_/705339/_/964545699/> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > >

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Maranie,

Thanks for the feedback. We just got the order called in for the

suppositories. My son just turned 4 about 2 weeks ago, he also weighs 43

lbs, and we also are about 3 months into chelation! Wow:)!

I have been sooo conservative with my DMSA dosage. I was at 50 mg/day

divided into 4 doses during his waking hours, I have now moved up to 75

for the last couple of cycles. We also have been giving about 60-80

mg/day of LA divided into the same 4 doses. We have seen gains every

round, except when he had a bad cold, and I have yet to see any negative

side affects. Boy, I wonder how much more gain we'll see if we up the

dosage. I'm moving up to 100 mg/day this next cycle. I think I'll stop

the LA until the mercury comes down. (It hasn't gone up yet. First

result just showed high nickel and a couple others slightly elevated.

second test is at lab now.) I was doing a 3 day on/4 day off, but moved

about a month ago to 6 day on/8 day off to minimize the on-off

transitions. I think I'll just start doing 1 wk on/1 wk off like you

guys.

I thought the suppositories were 8 hour ones....it sounds like your's are

4 hours...? You said they're not timed release, but don't they take that

period of time to be absorbed, so it would be like being timed-released?

I just re-read what you wrote about your boys increased stimms,

etc...have you considered reducing the dosage? Does he seem to be in

discomfort?

My chelation doc is not a DAN doc. He does EDTA chelation for heart

problems mainly, but he is very open minded. Unfortunately, he doesn't

know autism to well. I have another doc who's a semi-DAN guy who is just

figuring out how to do chelation. A few of us have been encouraging him!

Do you have any idea how many cases Dr. Holmes is aware of where the kid

has had a complete recovery, or at least is well on their way to complete

recovery? It sounds like her own kid, but are there very many others?

It's so exciting to hear her optimistic prognosis, I so much want to know

how solid her rationale is.

Lets keep in touch,

Chris

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:00:06 -0500 " Maranie " <adams6@...>

writes:

> Hi

>

> My son is a patient of Dr. Holmes, however, we have a wonderful

> compounding pharmacy here in Laurel, Mississippi. We use only

> suppositories day and night, because try as I might, I can't get

> Dean to swallow a pill!! He is on 50 mg DMSA supp. every four

> hours.( 300 mg / day) We haven't added the Lipoic Acid yet, as Dr.

> Holmes is waiting on confirmation that his body burden has come down

> low enough. I am doing a eight hour urine test today and sending it

> off , so hopefully by the next cycle the LA will be added. The

> suppositories are not timed release, so they have to be administered

> every four hours. I get up and pop it in, and he never even moves!

>

>

> As far as side effects go, we aren't seeing much this time, but this

> is his second cycle on the 7 day on 7 day off protocol. He

> previously had 5 cycles of a 3 day on 11 day off cycle. The

> biggest side effect we see during chelation is increased stimming (

> which consists of him grinding his teeth terribly, and slapping on

> the wall ) He has alot of tactile seeking behaviors, that normally

> aren't real noticeable , but when he is chelating,watch out! I can

> definitely see improvement in him in several areas with each round

> of chelation. His social skills have improved, and he is trying to

> communicate more regularly.

> We started chelation in the end of April, so I guess we are at

> almost three months now. I am excited about adding the LA, I have

> heard it makes the most difference. Dean will be four on AUG 5th,

> and weighs about 43 lbs.

>

> Are you using a DAN doctor to oversee the chelation? Or a

> pediatrician?

>

> maranie

> Re: [ ] Chelation & sleep

> deprivation

> >

> >

> > Jeannie,

> > I share your concern and am looking at trying the DMSA

> > suppository since

> > my kid won't swallow capsules (yet).

> > RI MD (Really Important Moroccan Diplomat)

> >

> > On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:21:26 -0000 " Jeannie G "

> <sleep@...>

> > writes:

> > > I am very unhappy listening to the manner in which the

> > chelation

> > > appears to have to be done where the blood levels need

> to be

> > kept

> > > even with 3 or 4 hour interval dosing throughout a 24

> hour day

> >

> > > several days on and off....and for who knows how long .

> > >

> > > This every 3 or 4 hour thing is a very bad idea as it

> regards

> > to

> > > sleeping if the treatment needs to be kept up for any

> length

> > of time

> > >

> > > ( like a year, for example ).

> > >

> > > One simply should not interrupt sleep ( yours or theirs

> ) to

> > have a

> > > child wake and drink something down...which they may not

> do or

> > may

> > > not be capable of doing anyway unless it is for a one

> time

> > event or

> > > a

> > > short duration of time.

> > >

> > > I don't know about anyone elses child but I think mine

> > wouldn't even

> > >

> > > be able to be awakened twice during the night...and if

> he

> > would

> > > who's

> > > to say he would go back to sleep ? That then becomes a

> whole

> > other

> > > problem for him and for the family.

> > >

> > > And then to expect this child to go to school or even if

>

> > > homeschooled

> > > to be able to learn the next day ?????? I don't think

> so.

> > >

> > > This would completely mess up the wake/sleep cycle and

> would

> > mean

> > > your child would never get enough restorative sleep

> which has

> > it's

> > > own dangers.

> > >

> > > Andy,how long a period of time does this chelation

> > take.....three

> > > days, a month, a few months, two years ? What is your

> > experience ?

> > > Jeannie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

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Har har har, Chris....I laughed at your MD thing, actually and was

not the least bit offended....one has to be pretty thick skinned to

stay on this list I think after having read how some people respond

to others' questions asked.

Your suggestion for a Friday to Monday is a great one and will be

thought about seriously. My concern was, however, about all of the

children on this list ( and the parents too ) as in my work I see

sleep deprived individuals every day at my clinic ( yes I am one of

those nasty traditional medicine people )and I know what lack of

restorative sleep can do....and then to add immune compromised kiddos

to that equation concerned me ! You don't want to make the cure worse

than the disease, you know . If the chelation takes two years out of

a currently 4 yo's life that is considerable hardship on the body and

on the sleep cycle.

But each parent will find his or her way to do this....

And I am happy for you that your child could benefit so much from this

chelation protocol as he is only 4.

Good luck and thanks for the suggestion and the giggle. I needed one.

Jeannie

> Jeannie,

> I don't have that problem yet since my son has just turned 4.

However,

> you could look at chelating from Friday after school to Monday

morning,

> and anytime there are days off giving a longer stretch of time.

>

> (Please excuse the RI MD-that was a joke intended for a different

> list!)

>

> Chris

> > << Jeannie,

> > I share your concern and am looking at trying the DMSA

suppository

> > since

> > my kid won't swallow capsules (yet).

> > RI MD (Really Important Moroccan Diplomat)