Re: Any members in Kenya right now?

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Ndugu Hussein

Thanks and continue updating us here at wananchi. In the meantime some

members here wrote

From: " Ochwada, Hannington "

Indiana University

<hochwada@>

Dear Prof. Kimani,

You are right we need to save to our nation from disintegration. It

was a blunder on the part of Mwai Kibaki and his handlers. But we must

save our nation from dying. It is a bitter lesson for all of us and

friends. We cannot rubbish our gains that way!!!

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From: " Tom "

Virginia Commonwealth University

<tommyagain@>

The point is not merely that Gettleman writes about atavistic tribal

violence. This violence is ethnic/tribal in that people are being

killed because of their ethnicity and presumed political sympathies.

It is not ethnic on a more basic level, that apparently escapes

Gettleman despite his philosophy degrees. Moi was Kenyatta's vice

president. He succeeded Kenyatta and stole lots of money. Kibaki was

elected with the support of the majority of Kenyans, many of whom

believed that in choosing him they were turning the page. Not only did

Kibaki not fight corruption, but he ran for re-election with the

support of Moi! It is no coincidence that Moi's three sons all were

defeated in the parliamentary elections. I believe that Odinga won the

presidential election, and was deprived of his victory by a coalition

of those who fear investigation of past and ongoing corruption. To

take it one step further, isn't it interesting that Bush was in such a

hurry to congratulation Kibaki? Why doesn't the New York Times tell

us about this?

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From: F Hirsch

No Affiliation Provided

<thirsch@>

Good point. Some people, especially would be scholars, lefties, and

such, think correcting the Times and criticizing it will change the

world. Sorry but it won't.

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From: Gilliland

<phgilliland@>

With regard to the sad events in Kenya, and who is being blamed, I was

interested in Lottie ' comment:

> From: lotte hughes

> The Open University, UK

> ...

> As for 'tribal rivalry': as has been much discussed on H-Net in

recent > months, such crude terms would not be used by scholars. And

maybe we ought > to protest to the NYT about this particular useage.

But Kenyans wouldn't > hesitate to use the words tribal/tribalism when

discussing relations > between Kikuyu and non-Kikuyu, and the

widespread vilification of Kibaki's > Mount Kenya Mafia who appear to

have stolen this election.

This morning on the American National Public Radio, I heard a couple

of Kenyans being interviewed, and I was fascinated that they showed no

hesitation to use the very un-politically-correct term " tribe " in

discussing the violence.

In the face of this tragedy in Kenya, have we nothing better to do

than beat up on the New York Times?

Having been a journalist in the past, and having had to produce " the

story and the pictures " even when I couldn't get anywhere near

anything that was really going on, I am just glad that SOMETHING is

being reported.

The " scholar " (whoever that really is) has the luxury of checking

sources and proofing material almost indefinitely in a way that

members of the media never do, and he is usually writing for a

specialized audience that understands his jargon-of-correctness. So

the scholar has no excuse for less-than-perfection; the journalist does.

Go ahead and protest to the NYT. But understand that the most likely

result of such protest is simply to have much less information of any

kind coming out of Africa.

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[Guest guest]

At the wananachi forum a Kenyan forum

http://www./group/wananchi

Ndugu Hussein

Thanks and continue updating us here at wananchi. In the meantime some

members here wrote

From: " Ochwada, Hannington "

Indiana University

<hochwada@>

Dear Prof. Kimani,

You are right we need to save to our nation from disintegration. It

was a blunder on the part of Mwai Kibaki and his handlers. But we must

save our nation from dying. It is a bitter lesson for all of us and

friends. We cannot rubbish our gains that way!!!

******************

original

From: " Tom "

Virginia Commonwealth University

<tommyagain@>

The point is not merely that Gettleman writes about atavistic tribal

violence. This violence is ethnic/tribal in that people are being

killed because of their ethnicity and presumed political sympathies.

It is not ethnic on a more basic level, that apparently escapes

Gettleman despite his philosophy degrees. Moi was Kenyatta's vice

president. He succeeded Kenyatta and stole lots of money. Kibaki was

elected with the support of the majority of Kenyans, many of whom

believed that in choosing him they were turning the page. Not only did

Kibaki not fight corruption, but he ran for re-election with the

support of Moi! It is no coincidence that Moi's three sons all were

defeated in the parliamentary elections. I believe that Odinga won the

presidential election, and was deprived of his victory by a coalition

of those who fear investigation of past and ongoing corruption. To

take it one step further, isn't it interesting that Bush was in such a

hurry to congratulation Kibaki? Why doesn't the New York Times tell

us about this?

*******************

From: F Hirsch

No Affiliation Provided

<thirsch@>

Good point. Some people, especially would be scholars, lefties, and

such, think correcting the Times and criticizing it will change the

world. Sorry but it won't.

*******************

From: Gilliland

<phgilliland@>

With regard to the sad events in Kenya, and who is being blamed, I was

interested in Lottie ' comment:

> From: lotte hughes

> The Open University, UK

> ...

> As for 'tribal rivalry': as has been much discussed on H-Net in

recent > months, such crude terms would not be used by scholars. And

maybe we ought > to protest to the NYT about this particular useage.

But Kenyans wouldn't > hesitate to use the words tribal/tribalism when

discussing relations > between Kikuyu and non-Kikuyu, and the

widespread vilification of Kibaki's > Mount Kenya Mafia who appear to

have stolen this election.

This morning on the American National Public Radio, I heard a couple

of Kenyans being interviewed, and I was fascinated that they showed no

hesitation to use the very un-politically-correct term " tribe " in

discussing the violence.

In the face of this tragedy in Kenya, have we nothing better to do

than beat up on the New York Times?

Having been a journalist in the past, and having had to produce " the

story and the pictures " even when I couldn't get anywhere near

anything that was really going on, I am just glad that SOMETHING is

being reported.

The " scholar " (whoever that really is) has the luxury of checking

sources and proofing material almost indefinitely in a way that

members of the media never do, and he is usually writing for a

specialized audience that understands his jargon-of-correctness. So

the scholar has no excuse for less-than-perfection; the journalist does.

Go ahead and protest to the NYT. But understand that the most likely

result of such protest is simply to have much less information of any

kind coming out of Africa.

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