Re: [kca_main] Re: Two Assistant ministers to be circumcised (Oburu and Olweny).

[Guest guest]

Okey.......................Lets see.

But on Monday, the elders, led by their chairman Mzee Riaga Ogallo said they supported the move after listening to candid presentations by medical experts-Prof.Nyongo and Orengo faced the knife decades ago.

-Dr Oburu, Prof Olweny face the knife next week.Swali: Should we assume the following leaders are cut including the PM ?.Others at the meeting included Public Services minister Dalmas Otieno, MPs Jakoyo Midiwo, Olago Aluoch, Shakeel Shabir, Pollyns Ochieng and

Fred Outa.

Our , the coast is clear now.Go for the cut next summer in Kenya.Odingo Odak

will be waiting for you in Oyugis and he will tell you exactly what he told us in KOL.It's

a minor surgery that takes minutes.

The list could be long than we think.))) Eeeeh?

I'am so amused and thoroughly entertained today.

WamsOn 9/22/08, pkngunyi <pkngunyi@...> wrote:> > Rev: I have Respect for Oburu and Olweny...this now is > leadership! ...pkn

> > > > >> > Two Assistant ministers to be circumcised> > *Updated 51 min(s) ago *

> > > > By Oywa and Kepher Otieno> > > > Prime Minister Raila Odinga has launched a massive campaign to > rally Luo men> > to face the knife as part of a strategy to fight HIV/Aids, with two

> > ministers heeding his call.> > > > Finance Assistant minister Oburu Oginga and his Education > counterpart> > Ayiecho Olweny said they would be circumcised next week to bolster

> the> > campaign.> > > > The ministers were speaking at a health conference attended by the > PM and> > medical researchers at the Tom Mboya Labour College in Kisumu on

> Monday.> > > > They said they had decided to face the knife to prove that it was > no longer> > cultural, but a health issue.> > > > " If this thing is good, then I am going for it, " Prof Olweny told

> a cheering> > audience. Dr Oburu, Raila's elder brother and MP for Bondo, > followed suit> > and caused prolonged laughter when he urged other Luo men not to > fear the> > knife.

> > > > " I am going to be cut next week. I am assuring you I will go, no > matter how> > painful it will be, " Oburu said.> > > > He added: " We cannot cling to repugnant traditions for years while

> our> > people die at an alarming rate of HIV/Aids-related diseases. It is > wrong, we> > must change. " > > > > Monday's meeting brought to an end the controversy over the

> proposal to have> > Luo men circumcised after elders, who had opposed the move, > softened their> > stand.> > > > The elders had opposed mass circumcision among the Luos, saying it

> was> > against the community's culture.> > > > The elders had claimed that the campaign, though well intended, > had been> > politicised by some people, who used it to belittle the community.

> > > > But on Monday, the elders, led by their chairman Mzee Riaga > Ogallo, said> > they supported the move after listening to candid presentations by > medical> > experts.

> > > > The researchers, who included Prof Achola Ndinya and Prof Alloys > Orago,> > tabled figures showing that circumcision among males reduced the > HIV/Aids> > infection rate by up to 60 per cent. However, Raila led the

> audience in> > resolving that the decision would be voluntary.> > > > " We have resolved today that we embrace the male cut, but that it > remains> > voluntary. No one will be coerced to go for it, " Raila said.

> > *> > > > New practices> > *> > > > MPs who attended the function organised by the Jaramogi Oginga > Odinga> > Foundation said culture would not prevent Luos from adopting life-

> saving> > practices.> > > > " It is an issue of medical necessity and not culture, " said Lands > minister> > Orengo.> > > > And Medical Services Minister Anyang' Nyong'o said circumcision

> costs would> > be made as cheap to encourage more people to go for it.> > > > Raila said he had met stiff criticism over his campaign to have > the Luo to> > circumcise, but said he had no regrets since he wanted to save his

> people.> > > > There was a light moment as the MPs at the meeting confessed how > they had> > faced the knife in different circumstances.> > > > Prof Nyong'o said a doctor friend circumcised him when he was a

> student at> > Makerere University, while Orengo said he was forced to face the > knife when> > he fell sick after being released from jail.> > > > Others at the meeting included Public Services minister Dalmas

> Otieno, MPs> > Jakoyo Midiwo, Olago Aluoch, Shakeel Shabir, Pollyns Ochieng and > Fred Outa.

[Guest guest]

Okey.......................Lets see.

But on Monday, the elders, led by their chairman Mzee Riaga Ogallo said they supported the move after listening to candid presentations by medical experts-Prof.Nyongo and Orengo faced the knife decades ago.

-Dr Oburu, Prof Olweny face the knife next week.Swali: Should we assume the following leaders are cut including the PM ?.Others at the meeting included Public Services minister Dalmas Otieno, MPs Jakoyo Midiwo, Olago Aluoch, Shakeel Shabir, Pollyns Ochieng and

Fred Outa.

Our , the coast is clear now.Go for the cut next summer in Kenya.Odingo Odak

will be waiting for you in Oyugis and he will tell you exactly what he told us in KOL.It's

a minor surgery that takes minutes.

The list could be long than we think.))) Eeeeh?

I'am so amused and thoroughly entertained today.

WamsOn 9/22/08, pkngunyi <pkngunyi@...> wrote:> > Rev: I have Respect for Oburu and Olweny...this now is > leadership! ...pkn

> > > > >> > Two Assistant ministers to be circumcised> > *Updated 51 min(s) ago *

> > > > By Oywa and Kepher Otieno> > > > Prime Minister Raila Odinga has launched a massive campaign to > rally Luo men> > to face the knife as part of a strategy to fight HIV/Aids, with two

> > ministers heeding his call.> > > > Finance Assistant minister Oburu Oginga and his Education > counterpart> > Ayiecho Olweny said they would be circumcised next week to bolster

> the> > campaign.> > > > The ministers were speaking at a health conference attended by the > PM and> > medical researchers at the Tom Mboya Labour College in Kisumu on

> Monday.> > > > They said they had decided to face the knife to prove that it was > no longer> > cultural, but a health issue.> > > > " If this thing is good, then I am going for it, " Prof Olweny told

> a cheering> > audience. Dr Oburu, Raila's elder brother and MP for Bondo, > followed suit> > and caused prolonged laughter when he urged other Luo men not to > fear the> > knife.

> > > > " I am going to be cut next week. I am assuring you I will go, no > matter how> > painful it will be, " Oburu said.> > > > He added: " We cannot cling to repugnant traditions for years while

> our> > people die at an alarming rate of HIV/Aids-related diseases. It is > wrong, we> > must change. " > > > > Monday's meeting brought to an end the controversy over the

> proposal to have> > Luo men circumcised after elders, who had opposed the move, > softened their> > stand.> > > > The elders had opposed mass circumcision among the Luos, saying it

> was> > against the community's culture.> > > > The elders had claimed that the campaign, though well intended, > had been> > politicised by some people, who used it to belittle the community.

> > > > But on Monday, the elders, led by their chairman Mzee Riaga > Ogallo, said> > they supported the move after listening to candid presentations by > medical> > experts.

> > > > The researchers, who included Prof Achola Ndinya and Prof Alloys > Orago,> > tabled figures showing that circumcision among males reduced the > HIV/Aids> > infection rate by up to 60 per cent. However, Raila led the

> audience in> > resolving that the decision would be voluntary.> > > > " We have resolved today that we embrace the male cut, but that it > remains> > voluntary. No one will be coerced to go for it, " Raila said.

> > *> > > > New practices> > *> > > > MPs who attended the function organised by the Jaramogi Oginga > Odinga> > Foundation said culture would not prevent Luos from adopting life-

> saving> > practices.> > > > " It is an issue of medical necessity and not culture, " said Lands > minister> > Orengo.> > > > And Medical Services Minister Anyang' Nyong'o said circumcision

> costs would> > be made as cheap to encourage more people to go for it.> > > > Raila said he had met stiff criticism over his campaign to have > the Luo to> > circumcise, but said he had no regrets since he wanted to save his

> people.> > > > There was a light moment as the MPs at the meeting confessed how > they had> > faced the knife in different circumstances.> > > > Prof Nyong'o said a doctor friend circumcised him when he was a

> student at> > Makerere University, while Orengo said he was forced to face the > knife when> > he fell sick after being released from jail.> > > > Others at the meeting included Public Services minister Dalmas

> Otieno, MPs> > Jakoyo Midiwo, Olago Aluoch, Shakeel Shabir, Pollyns Ochieng and > Fred Outa.

[Guest guest]

Hallo Wams,

I WAS at the Aghankan Roundabout when the PM..Adreesed abig gathering at 730am in the morning hespoke cleraly of acut not acure but ameans to reduce and not that the medicine is here so that none will be misled .

Apart fom this advocacy can we just make atrainning on this so taht its not mistaken for acure found for those alreadt posiotive can it be ...encicled with VCT..Then cut for hygine.

Its good the PM spoke of teeth removal as well..bu Wams can you volunteer for this...Its culture veses health or idea vesus attititude.

Iam all in all grewatfull taht our leaders are not for politics this time.

Raila also spoke about none winning elction meaning the referee was not qualified KIVUITU.

After all all kenyans are to blame.

Please Wams.Tell me somthing.

Deafimpact.> > Rev: I have Respect for Oburu and Olweny...this now is > leadership! ...pkn > > > > >> > Two Assistant ministers to be circumcised> > *Updated 51 min(s) ago *> > > > By Oywa and Kepher Otieno> > > > Prime Minister Raila Odinga has launched a massive campaign to > rally Luo men> > to face the knife as part of a strategy to fight HIV/Aids, with two> > ministers heeding his call.> > > > Finance Assistant minister Oburu Oginga and his Education > counterpart> > Ayiecho Olweny said they would

be circumcised next week to bolster > the> > campaign.> > > > The ministers were speaking at a health conference attended by the > PM and> > medical researchers at the Tom Mboya Labour College in Kisumu on > Monday.> > > > They said they had decided to face the knife to prove that it was > no longer> > cultural, but a health issue.> > > > "If this thing is good, then I am going for it," Prof Olweny told > a cheering> > audience. Dr Oburu, Raila's elder brother and MP for Bondo, > followed suit> > and caused prolonged laughter when he urged other Luo men not to > fear the> > knife.> > > > "I am going to be cut next week. I am assuring you I will go, no > matter how> > painful it will be," Oburu said.> > > > He added: "We cannot

cling to repugnant traditions for years while > our> > people die at an alarming rate of HIV/Aids-related diseases. It is > wrong, we> > must change."> > > > Monday's meeting brought to an end the controversy over the > proposal to have> > Luo men circumcised after elders, who had opposed the move, > softened their> > stand.> > > > The elders had opposed mass circumcision among the Luos, saying it > was> > against the community's culture.> > > > The elders had claimed that the campaign, though well intended, > had been> > politicised by some people, who used it to belittle the community.> > > > But on Monday, the elders, led by their chairman Mzee Riaga > Ogallo, said> > they supported the move after listening to candid presentations by >

medical> > experts.> > > > The researchers, who included Prof Achola Ndinya and Prof Alloys > Orago,> > tabled figures showing that circumcision among males reduced the > HIV/Aids> > infection rate by up to 60 per cent. However, Raila led the > audience in> > resolving that the decision would be voluntary.> > > > "We have resolved today that we embrace the male cut, but that it > remains> > voluntary. No one will be coerced to go for it," Raila said.> > *> > > > New practices> > *> > > > MPs who attended the function organised by the Jaramogi Oginga > Odinga> > Foundation said culture would not prevent Luos from adopting life-> saving> > practices.> > > > "It is an issue of medical necessity and not culture," said Lands

> minister> > Orengo.> > > > And Medical Services Minister Anyang' Nyong'o said circumcision > costs would> > be made as cheap to encourage more people to go for it.> > > > Raila said he had met stiff criticism over his campaign to have > the Luo to> > circumcise, but said he had no regrets since he wanted to save his > people.> > > > There was a light moment as the MPs at the meeting confessed how > they had> > faced the knife in different circumstances.> > > > Prof Nyong'o said a doctor friend circumcised him when he was a > student at> > Makerere University, while Orengo said he was forced to face the > knife when> > he fell sick after being released from jail.> > > > Others at the meeting included Public Services minister Dalmas >

Otieno, MPs> > Jakoyo Midiwo, Olago Aluoch, Shakeel Shabir, Pollyns Ochieng and > Fred Outa.

[Guest guest]

Hallo Wams,

I WAS at the Aghankan Roundabout when the PM..Adreesed abig gathering at 730am in the morning hespoke cleraly of acut not acure but ameans to reduce and not that the medicine is here so that none will be misled .

Apart fom this advocacy can we just make atrainning on this so taht its not mistaken for acure found for those alreadt posiotive can it be ...encicled with VCT..Then cut for hygine.

Its good the PM spoke of teeth removal as well..bu Wams can you volunteer for this...Its culture veses health or idea vesus attititude.

Iam all in all grewatfull taht our leaders are not for politics this time.

Raila also spoke about none winning elction meaning the referee was not qualified KIVUITU.

After all all kenyans are to blame.

Please Wams.Tell me somthing.

Deafimpact.> > Rev: I have Respect for Oburu and Olweny...this now is > leadership! ...pkn > > > > >> > Two Assistant ministers to be circumcised> > *Updated 51 min(s) ago *> > > > By Oywa and Kepher Otieno> > > > Prime Minister Raila Odinga has launched a massive campaign to > rally Luo men> > to face the knife as part of a strategy to fight HIV/Aids, with two> > ministers heeding his call.> > > > Finance Assistant minister Oburu Oginga and his Education > counterpart> > Ayiecho Olweny said they would

be circumcised next week to bolster > the> > campaign.> > > > The ministers were speaking at a health conference attended by the > PM and> > medical researchers at the Tom Mboya Labour College in Kisumu on > Monday.> > > > They said they had decided to face the knife to prove that it was > no longer> > cultural, but a health issue.> > > > "If this thing is good, then I am going for it," Prof Olweny told > a cheering> > audience. Dr Oburu, Raila's elder brother and MP for Bondo, > followed suit> > and caused prolonged laughter when he urged other Luo men not to > fear the> > knife.> > > > "I am going to be cut next week. I am assuring you I will go, no > matter how> > painful it will be," Oburu said.> > > > He added: "We cannot

cling to repugnant traditions for years while > our> > people die at an alarming rate of HIV/Aids-related diseases. It is > wrong, we> > must change."> > > > Monday's meeting brought to an end the controversy over the > proposal to have> > Luo men circumcised after elders, who had opposed the move, > softened their> > stand.> > > > The elders had opposed mass circumcision among the Luos, saying it > was> > against the community's culture.> > > > The elders had claimed that the campaign, though well intended, > had been> > politicised by some people, who used it to belittle the community.> > > > But on Monday, the elders, led by their chairman Mzee Riaga > Ogallo, said> > they supported the move after listening to candid presentations by >

medical> > experts.> > > > The researchers, who included Prof Achola Ndinya and Prof Alloys > Orago,> > tabled figures showing that circumcision among males reduced the > HIV/Aids> > infection rate by up to 60 per cent. However, Raila led the > audience in> > resolving that the decision would be voluntary.> > > > "We have resolved today that we embrace the male cut, but that it > remains> > voluntary. No one will be coerced to go for it," Raila said.> > *> > > > New practices> > *> > > > MPs who attended the function organised by the Jaramogi Oginga > Odinga> > Foundation said culture would not prevent Luos from adopting life-> saving> > practices.> > > > "It is an issue of medical necessity and not culture," said Lands

> minister> > Orengo.> > > > And Medical Services Minister Anyang' Nyong'o said circumcision > costs would> > be made as cheap to encourage more people to go for it.> > > > Raila said he had met stiff criticism over his campaign to have > the Luo to> > circumcise, but said he had no regrets since he wanted to save his > people.> > > > There was a light moment as the MPs at the meeting confessed how > they had> > faced the knife in different circumstances.> > > > Prof Nyong'o said a doctor friend circumcised him when he was a > student at> > Makerere University, while Orengo said he was forced to face the > knife when> > he fell sick after being released from jail.> > > > Others at the meeting included Public Services minister Dalmas >

Otieno, MPs> > Jakoyo Midiwo, Olago Aluoch, Shakeel Shabir, Pollyns Ochieng and > Fred Outa.

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom Ochuka, wams and All

I am glad to concur with what you are saying but as development agets, we need to come up with a viable working formula which can not also save our community members, but we can use this forum also to come up with various platforms which we can use in educating our community members.

Thanks and be bless

Ouma > > Rev: I have Respect for Oburu and Olweny...this now is > leadership! ...pkn > > > > >> > Two Assistant ministers to be circumcised> > *Updated 51 min(s) ago *> > > > By Oywa and Kepher Otieno> > > > Prime Minister Raila Odinga has launched a massive campaign to > rally Luo men> > to face the knife as part of a strategy to fight HIV/Aids, with two> > ministers heeding his call.> > > > Finance Assistant minister Oburu Oginga and his Education > counterpart> > Ayiecho Olweny said they would

be circumcised next week to bolster > the> > campaign.> > > > The ministers were speaking at a health conference attended by the > PM and> > medical researchers at the Tom Mboya Labour College in Kisumu on > Monday.> > > > They said they had decided to face the knife to prove that it was > no longer> > cultural, but a health issue.> > > > "If this thing is good, then I am going for it," Prof Olweny told > a cheering> > audience. Dr Oburu, Raila's elder brother and MP for Bondo, > followed suit> > and caused prolonged laughter when he urged other Luo men not to > fear the> > knife.> > > > "I am going to be cut next week. I am assuring you I will go, no > matter how> > painful it will be," Oburu said.> > > > He added: "We cannot

cling to repugnant traditions for years while > our> > people die at an alarming rate of HIV/Aids-related diseases. It is > wrong, we> > must change."> > > > Monday's meeting brought to an end the controversy over the > proposal to have> > Luo men circumcised after elders, who had opposed the move, > softened their> > stand.> > > > The elders had opposed mass circumcision among the Luos, saying it > was> > against the community's culture.> > > > The elders had claimed that the campaign, though well intended, > had been> > politicised by some people, who used it to belittle the community.> > > > But on Monday, the elders, led by their chairman Mzee Riaga > Ogallo, said> > they supported the move after listening to candid presentations by >

medical> > experts.> > > > The researchers, who included Prof Achola Ndinya and Prof Alloys > Orago,> > tabled figures showing that circumcision among males reduced the > HIV/Aids> > infection rate by up to 60 per cent. However, Raila led the > audience in> > resolving that the decision would be voluntary.> > > > "We have resolved today that we embrace the male cut, but that it > remains> > voluntary. No one will be coerced to go for it," Raila said.> > *> > > > New practices> > *> > > > MPs who attended the function organised by the Jaramogi Oginga > Odinga> > Foundation said culture would not prevent Luos from adopting life-> saving> > practices.> > > > "It is an issue of medical necessity and not culture," said Lands

> minister> > Orengo.> > > > And Medical Services Minister Anyang' Nyong'o said circumcision > costs would> > be made as cheap to encourage more people to go for it.> > > > Raila said he had met stiff criticism over his campaign to have > the Luo to> > circumcise, but said he had no regrets since he wanted to save his > people.> > > > There was a light moment as the MPs at the meeting confessed how > they had> > faced the knife in different circumstances.> > > > Prof Nyong'o said a doctor friend circumcised him when he was a > student at> > Makerere University, while Orengo said he was forced to face the > knife when> > he fell sick after being released from jail.> > > > Others at the meeting included Public Services minister Dalmas >

Otieno, MPs> > Jakoyo Midiwo, Olago Aluoch, Shakeel Shabir, Pollyns Ochieng and > Fred Outa.

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom Ochuka, wams and All

I am glad to concur with what you are saying but as development agets, we need to come up with a viable working formula which can not also save our community members, but we can use this forum also to come up with various platforms which we can use in educating our community members.

Thanks and be bless

Ouma > > Rev: I have Respect for Oburu and Olweny...this now is > leadership! ...pkn > > > > >> > Two Assistant ministers to be circumcised> > *Updated 51 min(s) ago *> > > > By Oywa and Kepher Otieno> > > > Prime Minister Raila Odinga has launched a massive campaign to > rally Luo men> > to face the knife as part of a strategy to fight HIV/Aids, with two> > ministers heeding his call.> > > > Finance Assistant minister Oburu Oginga and his Education > counterpart> > Ayiecho Olweny said they would

be circumcised next week to bolster > the> > campaign.> > > > The ministers were speaking at a health conference attended by the > PM and> > medical researchers at the Tom Mboya Labour College in Kisumu on > Monday.> > > > They said they had decided to face the knife to prove that it was > no longer> > cultural, but a health issue.> > > > "If this thing is good, then I am going for it," Prof Olweny told > a cheering> > audience. Dr Oburu, Raila's elder brother and MP for Bondo, > followed suit> > and caused prolonged laughter when he urged other Luo men not to > fear the> > knife.> > > > "I am going to be cut next week. I am assuring you I will go, no > matter how> > painful it will be," Oburu said.> > > > He added: "We cannot

cling to repugnant traditions for years while > our> > people die at an alarming rate of HIV/Aids-related diseases. It is > wrong, we> > must change."> > > > Monday's meeting brought to an end the controversy over the > proposal to have> > Luo men circumcised after elders, who had opposed the move, > softened their> > stand.> > > > The elders had opposed mass circumcision among the Luos, saying it > was> > against the community's culture.> > > > The elders had claimed that the campaign, though well intended, > had been> > politicised by some people, who used it to belittle the community.> > > > But on Monday, the elders, led by their chairman Mzee Riaga > Ogallo, said> > they supported the move after listening to candid presentations by >

medical> > experts.> > > > The researchers, who included Prof Achola Ndinya and Prof Alloys > Orago,> > tabled figures showing that circumcision among males reduced the > HIV/Aids> > infection rate by up to 60 per cent. However, Raila led the > audience in> > resolving that the decision would be voluntary.> > > > "We have resolved today that we embrace the male cut, but that it > remains> > voluntary. No one will be coerced to go for it," Raila said.> > *> > > > New practices> > *> > > > MPs who attended the function organised by the Jaramogi Oginga > Odinga> > Foundation said culture would not prevent Luos from adopting life-> saving> > practices.> > > > "It is an issue of medical necessity and not culture," said Lands

> minister> > Orengo.> > > > And Medical Services Minister Anyang' Nyong'o said circumcision > costs would> > be made as cheap to encourage more people to go for it.> > > > Raila said he had met stiff criticism over his campaign to have > the Luo to> > circumcise, but said he had no regrets since he wanted to save his > people.> > > > There was a light moment as the MPs at the meeting confessed how > they had> > faced the knife in different circumstances.> > > > Prof Nyong'o said a doctor friend circumcised him when he was a > student at> > Makerere University, while Orengo said he was forced to face the > knife when> > he fell sick after being released from jail.> > > > Others at the meeting included Public Services minister Dalmas >

Otieno, MPs> > Jakoyo Midiwo, Olago Aluoch, Shakeel Shabir, Pollyns Ochieng and > Fred Outa.