Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 In a message dated 1/25/02 12:45:35 AM GTB Standard Time, @... writes: << <> I was just reading a sears book last night and he said there was no concern till you hit 107. It is not the numbers that matter so much as the behavior of the child...so I have read. When my dd had roseola and a temp of 104 she played and acted fine;she just did not eat much. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 thank you too. I have that book somewhere! Marvis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 I'm no expert on this, but I always thought brain damage started higher than that. My rule of thumb has been that you only take something for the fever when you can't stand it anymore (but not just because you are exhausted by it). If you have an unbearable headache, unbearable body aches, that sort of thing. Unless, of course, the fever gets even higher. With kids, I think they can often take fairly high fevers without it bothering them as much. I used to try and make them feel betterif it was bothering them, by giving them tepid baths, but I'm not sure that is good since the fever is what fights the disease. And I think that the issue of febrile convulsions is only a concern if the fever spikes quickly. Sheri, Can you help me on this? Sandy from Alaska http://www.vaccinationnews.com http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm http://www.909shot.com http://www.thinktwice.com http://www.mercola.com http://www.redflagsweekly.com ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. More about fevers? On this topic... I was wondering at what point most of you worry about a fever. As in, high temp wise. I had always heard that above 104, things can get pretty serious and it can start damaging the brain. Of course, that was standard medical information and I can't find much information on fevers anywhere. They seem to be somewhat taboo or something!! I just spent about 4 days running a fever that went from about 102-104 (it was usually right over 103). I took Tylenol when I just couldn't stand it anymore, and man it was not fun. Up above about 103 and my body just did not want to function anymore! I think it's finally fun it's course though because I've been totally fever free today, and I'm starting to feel much better. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 Now that mentions it, I think she is right about your fever not getting too high under normal fever conditions (as she described it). Sandy from Alaska http://www.vaccinationnews.com http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm http://www.909shot.com http://www.thinktwice.com http://www.mercola.com http://www.redflagsweekly.com ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. RE: More about fevers? <<I had always heard that above 104, things can get pretty serious and it can start damaging the brain. Of course, that was standard medical information and I can't find much information on fevers anywhere. They seem to be somewhat taboo or something!!>> Get a copy of " How to Have a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Pediatrician " by Mendelssohn... It says that it's the rapidity of the onset of the fever that can cause a problem, not the temperature. Apparently, the human body will not go over a fever of, I think, 105 (would have to check my book) unless caused by chemical poisoning or sunstroke... anyway, it won't go to the brain damaging temperature naturally.... Goldmeer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 <<I had always heard that above 104, things can get pretty serious and it can start damaging the brain. Of course, that was standard medical information and I can't find much information on fevers anywhere. They seem to be somewhat taboo or something!!>> Get a copy of " How to Have a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Pediatrician " by Mendelssohn... It says that it's the rapidity of the onset of the fever that can cause a problem, not the temperature. Apparently, the human body will not go over a fever of, I think, 105 (would have to check my book) unless caused by chemical poisoning or sunstroke... anyway, it won't go to the brain damaging temperature naturally.... Goldmeer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 Everyone is individual. Allow your body to have a fever and use homeopathy instead of Tylenol. Your liver is working hard to detox you during a fever and Tylenol seriously impairs the liver At 04:35 PM 01/24/2002 -0600, you wrote: >On this topic... I was wondering at what point most of you worry about a fever. As in, high temp wise. > >I had always heard that above 104, things can get pretty serious and it can start damaging the brain. Of course, that was standard medical information and I can't find much information on fevers anywhere. They seem to be somewhat taboo or something!! > >I just spent about 4 days running a fever that went from about 102-104 (it was usually right over 103). I took Tylenol when I just couldn't stand it anymore, and man it was not fun. Up above about 103 and my body just did not want to function anymore! > >I think it's finally fun it's course though because I've been totally fever free today, and I'm starting to feel much better. > >Liz > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 > >And I think that the issue of febrile convulsions is only a concern if the >fever spikes quickly. > Usually. Become familiar with the homeopathic remedies - take my next class if you need it. Use the remedies!!!!!!!!!!!! Belladonna will often take a fever down immediately if IT IS THE RIGHT REMEDY - if it MATCHES the WHOLE symptom picture. Come on everyone - use this stuff! ;-) -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 i have had the same problem with homeopathy with a fever it didnt bring it down. But for eveything else its been great Amy ohio AMY MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES Chelsea 9 Carrigian 5 4 Chaela Noelle Almost 1 from the mouth of a 4 yr old " your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! ) <A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The Haskett bunch</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 I tried homeopathy, it didn't work. At all. With 2 little kids, I didn't have much choice in having to be functional so I took what did work. I realize Tylenol can cause liver damage, but considering I use it maybe once or twice a year I think I'm in a pretty low risk category! Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheri Nakken Everyone is individual. Allow your body to have a fever and use homeopathy instead of Tylenol. Your liver is working hard to detox you during a fever and Tylenol seriously impairs the liver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 oh i know but i have fever phobia lol seeing my dd go through a febrile seziure at age 2 1/2 with a fever of 105.7 and this was after having motrin 3 hours before hand she was unresponsive and the paramedics called a code red i t was terrifying ever since then i have been scared of fevers to see your baby lay there like th at I know they say that febrile seizures are a defense mechanism but it was still scarey. So with this new baby this is a new way for me I am still adapting to. amy ohio AMY MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES Chelsea 9 Carrigian 5 4 Chaela Noelle Almost 1 from the mouth of a 4 yr old " your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! ) <A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The Haskett bunch</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 At 10:14 AM 01/25/2002 EST, you wrote: >i have had the same problem with homeopathy with a fever it didnt bring it >down. But for eveything else its been great >Amy >ohio > Well, it has to match the total symptom picture, you just can't give any remedy. See the homeopathy and fevers email I jsut sent -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 >It is not the numbers that matter so much as the behavior of the child< I agree. I would take Ruby's temperature, but, watch her behaviour more than anything. And I would, of course, use homeopathy. Suzanne dd Ruby 2.7yrs South Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 Hi Liz, Wrong remedies used then maybe? Homeopathy works with the correct remedies........ Suzanne dd Ruby 2.7yrs South Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 Amy, Fevers aren't necessarily bad...:-) And I would presume that just because the fever didn't come down, doesn't mean the remedy hasn't worked...Sheri? Suzanne dd Ruby 2.7yrs South Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 I don't know if this has specifically been addressed here, but everyone needs to remember that a fever is your body's way of killing the disease. You bring it down, you interfere with that process AND introduce whatever risks are associated with whatever method you use to bring it down. Sandy from Alaska http://www.vaccinationnews.com http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm http://www.909shot.com http://www.thinktwice.com http://www.mercola.com http://www.redflagsweekly.com ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. Re: More about fevers? At 06:32 PM 01/25/2002 -0000, you wrote: >Amy, >Fevers aren't necessarily bad...:-) >And I would presume that just because the fever didn't come down, doesn't mean the remedy hasn't worked...Sheri? Yup -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 At 06:32 PM 01/25/2002 -0000, you wrote: >Amy, >Fevers aren't necessarily bad...:-) >And I would presume that just because the fever didn't come down, doesn't mean the remedy hasn't worked...Sheri? Yup -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 When I worked in pediatrics (as an RN) we actually had 1 doctor who wouldn't allow his patients to get fever reducers unless their temperatures were above 102. He said just that, that the fever was there to do a job (fight the illness.) Of course he's thinking wasn't the norm. Most of the other docs medicated for anything over 98.6! Kay I don't know if this has specifically been addressed here, but everyone needs to remember that a fever is your body's way of killing the disease. You bring it down, you interfere with that process AND introduce whatever risks are associated with whatever method you use to bring it down. Sandy from Alaska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 Amy, I *completely* understand your fever phobia. I recently went through a " high " fever with my little boy (14 months - I use the quotes around high because it was 105 and I knew intellectually that it wouldn't cause permanent damage, but when it's your baby it's really hard to stomach). I read over all my fever information again (in Mendelsohn and other books) and looked for input from some of the more experienced moms on one of my greatly informative lists (since I was quaking in my boots). One thing that kept coming up was that febrile seizures often (always?) are caused by sudden spikes in temperature, not gradual climbing - in your child's case, this sudden spike could have been caused by artificially reducing the fever with Motrin and then the fever spiking back up before the next dose. Something to think about for the future - that artificially reducing the fever may, in fact, cause the very problem that you're trying to avoid. Take care, Amber Re: More about fevers? oh i know but i have fever phobia lol seeing my dd go through a febrile seziure at age 2 1/2 with a fever of 105.7 and this was after having motrin 3 hours before hand she was unresponsive and the paramedics called a code red i t was terrifying ever since then i have been scared of fevers to see your baby lay there like th at I know they say that febrile seizures are a defense mechanism but it was still scarey. So with this new baby this is a new way for me I am still adapting to. amy ohio AMY MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES Chelsea 9 Carrigian 5 4 Chaela Noelle Almost 1 from the mouth of a 4 yr old " your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! ) <A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The Haskett bunch</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 Amy, The bottom line is to get as educated as possible so you don't panic, but, still, in the end, you must trust your instincts. Sandy from Alaska http://www.vaccinationnews.com http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm http://www.909shot.com http://www.thinktwice.com http://www.mercola.com http://www.redflagsweekly.com ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. Re: More about fevers? oh i know but i have fever phobia lol seeing my dd go through a febrile seziure at age 2 1/2 with a fever of 105.7 and this was after having motrin 3 hours before hand she was unresponsive and the paramedics called a code red i t was terrifying ever since then i have been scared of fevers to see your baby lay there like th at I know they say that febrile seizures are a defense mechanism but it was still scarey. So with this new baby this is a new way for me I am still adapting to. amy ohio AMY MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES Chelsea 9 Carrigian 5 4 Chaela Noelle Almost 1 from the mouth of a 4 yr old " your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! ) <A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The Haskett bunch</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 That is what I gave my baby last night. It did not take it down immediately. She still had the fever but she started acting better; more like herself. My this morning the fever was gone. My husband looks like he may have the flu. I gave him rhus toxidendran (excuse spelling). He said that he was having body aches. Does that sound right? > > > > >And I think that the issue of febrile convulsions is only a concern if the > >fever spikes quickly. > > > > Usually. > Become familiar with the homeopathic remedies - take my next class if you > need it. > Use the remedies!!!!!!!!!!!! > Belladonna will often take a fever down immediately if IT IS THE RIGHT > REMEDY - if it MATCHES the WHOLE symptom picture. Come on everyone - use > this stuff! ;-) > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > vaccineinfo@b... > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail > PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE > DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. > Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin > International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers > Education, Homeopathic Education > CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 >....this sudden spike could have been caused by artificially reducing the fever with Motrin and then the fever spiking back up before the next dose. Something to think about for the future - that artificially reducing the fever may, in fact, cause the very problem that you're trying to avoid. < Wow............thankyou for this Amber! I never thought of it putting it this way. Am sooo gonna remember this explanation for future reference. :-D Suzanne dd Ruby 2.7yrs South Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 I've had real good luck with homeopathy with everyone but me! My system seems real resistant to foreign substances in general though. It doesn't seem to matter if it's allopathic, homeopathic, herbal or what not. My body just kinda ignores it! I had read though, that some people are much more responsive to homeopathy than others, and some are much less. You can also be more responsive to certain things. Sure helps add to the confusion doesn't it! Liz Re: More about fevers? i have had the same problem with homeopathy with a fever it didnt bring it down. But for eveything else its been great Amy ohio AMY MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES Chelsea 9 Carrigian 5 4 Chaela Noelle Almost 1 from the mouth of a 4 yr old " your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! ) <A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The Haskett bunch</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 I don't know, I called my friend who is studying to be a naturopath and she consulted several <old> books she has that are wonderful homeopathic resources. I tried three different remedies <not all at once, and not all on the same day> that best matched how I was feeling, and the pattern of the symptoms, etc. They just didn't work. The fever didn't respond very well to Tylenol either though until the very end, so, I think it was just my body's overall resistance. I have a tendency to not respond to treatments the way other people do! Always have. Liz Re: More about fevers? Hi Liz, Wrong remedies used then maybe? Homeopathy works with the correct remedies........ Suzanne dd Ruby 2.7yrs South Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 Sue - thank (from NFL) She put it to me this way originally and helped me so much in my determination to not reduce Arlo's fever! Take care, Amber Re: More about fevers? >....this sudden spike could have been caused by artificially reducing the fever with Motrin and then the fever spiking back up before the next dose. Something to think about for the future - that artificially reducing the fever may, in fact, cause the very problem that you're trying to avoid. < Wow............thankyou for this Amber! I never thought of it putting it this way. Am sooo gonna remember this explanation for future reference. :-D Suzanne dd Ruby 2.7yrs South Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 thanks for th e advice I NO longer give these drugs for fever unless i am nervous abouit the child and now i have Phylilss to help amy ohio AMY MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES Chelsea 9 Carrigian 5 4 Chaela Noelle Almost 1 from the mouth of a 4 yr old " your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! ) <A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The Haskett bunch</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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