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I agree abt that test, because there nothing injected into the

baby... just find food allergies not harmful to do blood test.. some

rather do it after few days nursing.

> hiya, can anyone please give me some idea on whether

> or not to agree on a pku test, please.

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In a message dated 4/11/02 11:46:05 PM GTB Daylight Time,

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or not to agree on a pku test, please. >>

I say one is ok once the baby has some breastmilk in him/her(say a week or 2

after birth).Just be sure to get that heel ready so they won't be milking the

crap out of it.The MA has info:http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/#Postpartum

Can't say whether I will do it or not myself next month.

I know I won't do vitK and hepB vax.Probably not the eye oinment either even

though dd had no problems with it.

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make sure your baby has enough breast milk in his system before they do the

test. someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the test is mandated in

every state. anyway, our first ped. in denver wanted to do ANOTHER test

AFTER ryan had already had a test done in the hospital (which came back

normal).

this stupid ped. tried to tell me ryan needed another " heel prick " for pku

at two weeks of age. i found out what the results of his first pku test

were myself, as this stupid idiot tried telling me he didn't know what the

tests results were. (he was obviously lying, because if the hospital's test

comes back with any problems, they HAVE to tell you within 24 hours). so he

KNEW that ryan's lab results were fine, or he'd have heard from the lab.

so...we opted NOT for a repeat pku test. this ped. gave me all sorts of

grief over it, but i stood my ground. oh yeah, there was the little matter

of this particular ped. having his own " lab " in his office, they did all of

their lab work there. not to mention, the charge for this totally

unnecessary second pku test? $92.00....needless to say, we switched peds.

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> hiya, can anyone please give me some idea on whether

> or not to agree on a pku test, please.

> thanx

> claudia

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This test was done on Robyn without my consent which I was planning to

withhold. IMO, it is invasive and unnecessary unless there is a history of

metabolic problems in the family.

Sue

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> hiya, can anyone please give me some idea on whether

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> thanx

> claudia

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The tests are not valid if done before 48 hours of life. That's why there is a

repeat done after baby has gone home, since most are discharged before 48 hours.

I've worked in hospitals and for home health where we did PKU tests. Don't ask

me why the tests are done on all the babies if they're not valid before 48

hours. I guess it all goes back to the almighty dollar! Stinks, doesn't it...

Kay

make sure your baby has enough breast milk in his system before they do the

test. someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the test is mandated in

every state. anyway, our first ped. in denver wanted to do ANOTHER test

AFTER ryan had already had a test done in the hospital (which came back

normal).

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Kay,

You're absolutely right, but in my case, I WAS in the hospital for 48 hours

and 's PKU test was done right before I was discharged. Also, I was

" dry, " (sob)...I had no breastmilk (my grandmother was the same way)...so he

had formula. So...he was in for two days, had plenty of formula in his

system, had a normal test and they STILL tried to get me to do another pku

test on him. I didn't want to do that for the obvious reasons, but also

they were doing another heel prick for jaundice and I just couldn't see

putting the kid through that.

Kim

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> The tests are not valid if done before 48 hours of life. That's why there

is a repeat done after baby has gone home, since most are discharged before

48 hours. I've worked in hospitals and for home health where we did PKU

tests. Don't ask me why the tests are done on all the babies if they're not

valid before 48 hours. I guess it all goes back to the almighty dollar!

Stinks, doesn't it...

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I told this story not long ago but for Nora I'll tell it

again!!! You can have a large range metabolic screening done for about

25.00 . It has no side effects. I met a woman a few months ago who had

just lost her daughter (4 months old ) to a FOD. There was no warning

or indication that anything was wrong with Nora. It was there second

child and she nursed exclusively, cloth diapered and family bedded.

They thought Nora was a sids death until the autopsy. She suddenly

seemed odd, they rushed her to the hospital, she lapsed into a coma and

died in a matter of hours.

If my friend could undo one thing in her life it would be

not having Nora tested. She opted out of the testing and vaccinations.

I f they had discovered Nora had Fods they could have modified

her feedings and she would be almost a year old now.

>This test was done on Robyn without my consent which I was planning to

>withhold. IMO, it is invasive and unnecessary unless there is a history of

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thanx, kim and sue!

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claudia

--- Sue <angelmouse55@...> wrote:

> This test was done on Robyn without my consent which

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> withhold. IMO, it is invasive and unnecessary

> unless there is a history of

> metabolic problems in the family.

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well why would you do the eye ointment? I'm assuming blood tests have indicated

no std's and you are in a monogamous relationship with SO?

Laurie>Oh

I know I won't do vitK and hepB vax.Probably not the eye oinment either even

though dd had no problems with it.

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, this is one I would absolutely do. It's insidious, because a child

could be relatively all right for a while, and then it's to late. It can

leave them mentally retarded. There is evidence that nationality plays a part

in this.

The United States Newborn Screening is different in every state. They accept

different values in every state. For instance CA value is 1.5, and they use a

different form of the test. Some states values are 4. This shouldn't surprise

any of us on this list, but insurance companies have lobbied to get values

raised, and they succeeded.

If PKU is diagnosed, it requires a special diet, which is very costly, and

the insurance companies will have to pay, because it's considered life

threatening.

Ireland has the highest incidence of PKU, and their value is a 2, with this

value a child is considered to have PKU.

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In a message dated 4/12/02 1:48:51 PM GTB Daylight Time,

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PKU tested you mean? What a tragic story.......Nora is a beautiful name.

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I saw her web page ,was a cutie baby. Sometimes we make choices that have

tragic results.Part of parenting.

Sara

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>>The tests are not valid if done before 48 hours of life. That's why there is

a repeat done after baby has gone home, since most are discharged before 48

hours. <<

Kay?

Why arent they valid? Thanks for enlightening me further on this

subject......:-)

Suzie

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>>I met a woman a few months ago who had

just lost her daughter (4 months old ) to a FOD. <<

FOD??

>>If my friend could undo one thing in her life it would be not having Nora

tested. <<

PKU tested you mean? What a tragic story.......Nora is a beautiful name.

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For some reason, the test is more accurate at detecting problems if done between

48 hours and two weeks. If I remember correctly, it has something to do with

how the baby is starting to metabolize his or her food by then. There is an

increased chance that cases are missed if done before 48 hours.

Kay

>>The tests are not valid if done before 48 hours of life. That's why there

is a repeat done after baby has gone home, since most are discharged before 48

hours. <<

Kay?

Why arent they valid? Thanks for enlightening me further on this

subject......:-)

Suzie

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Hi Kim,

That is frustrating! The only thing I can think of is if they didn't get enough

blood the first time. Those tests are very tempermental, and from doing them so

many times, I know it's not always easy to get the blood. If it's not collected

in a certain way, then they are rejected. But you said you checked and found

out his first test was ok. So, that is a strange situation. Maybe they were

just blood thirsty! : )

Kay

Kay,

I WAS in the hospital for 48 hours and 's PKU test was done right before I

was discharged. had a normal test and they STILL tried to get me to do another

pku

test on him. I didn't want to do that for the obvious reasons, but also

they were doing another heel prick for jaundice and I just couldn't see

putting the kid through that.

Kim

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> Fatty acid oxidation disorder. She could not metabolize stored fat. She

only used immediate carbohydrates. There is a relatively simple diet for these

kids and supplements to be sure they do not starve to death. There are many

metabolic disorders, pku, fod's ect.

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If they are identified during the first week, the parents know what

to look for and how to treat the child. Nora's had a had a cold and

wasn't nursing as well and then her Mom went to an all day conference

and left Nora with her sister and bottles of Breast milk. Again, Nora

did not eat as she normally did and lapsed into a coma and died shortly

after....without her Mom with her (her Dad was there). It happened so

quickly.

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>FOD??

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>>>If my friend could undo one thing in her life it would be not having Nora

tested. <<

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Hi Kay,

They were absolutely money hungry. I called the lab myself and the hospital

to get the results on 's PKU test. It not only came out fine, it was as

good as you can get. THEN, when had his two week checkup, I didn't

tell this pediatrician that I'd done this. I also knew that the reason he'd

not heard back from the lab or hospital was BECAUSE 's test was just

fine (perfect, actually). The only reason (and I'm sure you know this)

's ped. would have heard back from anyone regarding the PKU test was if

there was an indication something was wrong. So, when the nurse came into

the room to do the heel prick, I promptly sent her out, told her to call the

lab/hospital where the test was evaluated and she did. She came back a few

minutes later and said, " The test results were good. " I asked her to repeat

it, and she did. I then shooed her out of the room and promptly dressed my

son to leave.

During the visit, they just acted as though another PKU test was a normal

procedure during the visit. What they they did not also know was that,

being the paralegal that I am, I called several pediatricians in several

states, i.e., Ohio, California and Colorado, and inquired about their

procedures in PKU testing. I was actually asked by Heidi Fleiss' Dad (a

pediatrician and a darn good one) just WHY they were doing any bloodwork at

all on a perfectly healthy two week old? He was incredulous. I had another

ped. mention very " lightly " that if he had HIS own lab in his office, his

income would be considerably higher. Our ped.'s charge for another, in our

case, absolustely unjustified and unneeded, PKU.....$92.00!

Don't misunderstand me, I'm all for PKU testing. It's just that I did my

research and found out that, in our son's case, there was absolutely no

justification whatsoever to do another procedure. This was a money

grubbing, disgustingingly patronizing, insulting physician who didn't want

to work as a team with the parents at all. He wanted to call all the

" shots " and you were to do as you were told. I hated him the moment he

walked into my hospital room; he walked right on in, never announced himself

by a knock on the door, and as I made my way out of my restroom (I had a

private room) he was just sitting there. I could have found myself meeting

this jerk undressed, or semi-undressed and well, that behavior alone was a

red flag for me about this man.

We changed peds. very quickly after this PKU thing and I've never once

regretted it. We learned to interview thoroughly each and every physician

our family has to ensure we have a working relationship based on mutual

respect and courtesy. It was a big eye opener for me and it also opened my

eyes to the financial aspects in pediatrics, too.

Kim

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> Hi Kim,

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> That is frustrating! The only thing I can think of is if they didn't get

enough blood the first time. Those tests are very tempermental, and from

doing them so many times, I know it's not always easy to get the blood. If

it's not collected in a certain way, then they are rejected. But you said

you checked and found out his first test was ok. So, that is a strange

situation. Maybe they were just blood thirsty! : )

>

> Kay

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> Kay,

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> I WAS in the hospital for 48 hours and 's PKU test was done right

before I was discharged. had a normal test and they STILL tried to get me

to do another pku

> test on him. I didn't want to do that for the obvious reasons, but also

> they were doing another heel prick for jaundice and I just couldn't see

> putting the kid through that.

>

> Kim

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No, Suzie, that's not quite correct. It depends on the amino acid levels in

the baby's system. In our son's case, right before 48 hours, he was tested;

he had more than enough formula in his system for adequate testing.

What you might want to do as a new mom is state, if they allow this, that

you do not want your child tested before leaving the hospital, but make sure

to have the child tested within a two week period. I know some states do

allow this. I'm not sure what Colorado would have done, although my hunch

is that they test every newborn before leaving the hospital.

This timeframe in doing the pku test is somewhat contentious among medical

professionals. I just wish they'd get their acts together on this one. In

our case, I hadn't interviewed our first pediatrician (big mistake) and to

boot, he was as money grubbing as you can possibly get. I'd also spoken to

a nurse at the public health dept. in Denver during my research on pku

testing. That little heel prick they say doesn't hurt much? She said it

hurts like " hell. " Given the fact they also had to test our son's bilirubin

levels because of jaundice, I just wasn't about to put him through that

second pku test when I knew for a fact his first one had been just fine.

Kim

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> >>The tests are not valid if done before 48 hours of life. That's why

there is a repeat done after baby has gone home, since most are discharged

before 48 hours. <<

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> Kay?

> Why arent they valid? Thanks for enlightening me further on this

subject......:-)

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wow poor family.....:-(

Thankyou for info on FOD, never heard of it or other metabolic

disorders/diseases........learn something new every day huh? Maybe the pku test

is ok to do then, after 48 hours..........

Suzie

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Yes! Suzie, you need absolutely to do the PKU test. But make sure you do

it in a timeframe that will ensure the best test results possible. Ask your

hospital or healthcare provider WHEN the proper time for testing should be.

I wouldn't allow them to do a repeat procedure...that's unnecessary. If

they tell you two weeks is a good timeframe, then do that. But it's stupid

to put your babe through that test once at the hospital and then yet again

at two weeks. Once is enough and see if you can waive the first one before

you leave the hospital. It really is a painful procedure....I've spoken

with many moms who nursed their little ones during this procedure. It

really does help keep the baby calm....good luck!

Kim

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> wow poor family.....:-(

> Thankyou for info on FOD, never heard of it or other metabolic

disorders/diseases........learn something new every day huh? Maybe the pku

test is ok to do then, after 48 hours..........

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Sorry guys, I realize reading my back posts that I've repeated myself one

too many times about the issues I had with pku testing. But I think you all

can see that hit a nerve for me when I remember that idiot

pediatrician....ugh....sorry for the rambling!

Kim

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This is the one thing I finally decided to do, since nothing is injected into

the body and I could not have forgiven myself if something was there and not

detected. I nursed my son while the doctor drew the blood and he cried for just

about 2 seconds before going back to nursing, so it was really no big deal.

Love,

Mara

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