Guest guest Posted August 31, 2000 Report Share Posted August 31, 2000 Andy, My daughter's dentist said my daughter needs to have two crowns to put on her teeth. They will use stainless steel since their manufacturer does not make gold crown for baby teeth. I call the manufacturer and ask them to send me the composition of the stainless steel crown. This is what they send. Element Nominal % composition Carbon 0.12 Manganese 2.00 Silicon 1.00 Phosphorus 0.04 Sulfur 0.03 Chromium 17.0-19.0 Nickel 10.0-13.0 Molybdenum 0.75 copper 0.75 Iron balance You said in this mail that amalgam can buld up under the crowns. Do you suggest that stainless steel is not a good choice of material to make crown? If gold is not an option what else will you suggest? Please advice ASAP befor her teeth become worse. If anyone else has any idea, I would appreciate your input on this too. Thanks, Tricia > It is not uncommon for there to be amalgam buildup under the crowns. > Dentists (and other licensed health care professionals) are very bad about > telling you what you want to hear instead of telling you the truth because > they are sure you are worried about nothing. Were you there when they were > put in? > > Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2000 Report Share Posted August 31, 2000 Most likely the mercury is in a filling under the crown. Not sure about the aluminum content of crowns. Almost everything referred to as " stainless steel " in the field of dentistry contains at least 5% nickel. Often the dentists themselves assume/say it doesn't without checking and most of the manufacturers won't divulge that info the consumers. I called around to find out the contents of the " stainless steel " and " titanium " posts they planned to use in doing my root canals. I had mine done with no post at all after finding out about the nickel content. The representative at the lab/manufacturer only told me after I explained the severity of my chronic mercury poisoning. She prefaced her response with " we're only supposed to release that information to dentists, not to patients " . On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:48:38 -0000, egroups wrote: > My son has 3 stainless steel crowns. He has high blood levels of > aluminium and nickel. I want to begin chelation but am unsure if I > need to have the crowns removed. The dentist confirmed that he has > not used any mercury containing compound with my son. Does anyone > know if it would be safe to chelate with the crowns left in place or > could someone inform me how to get in contact with Dr Holmes. > Please email me privately at jstahl2409@... > Thank you, > Janet > _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2000 Report Share Posted August 31, 2000 Why cap baby teeth when they gonna come out soon anyway ? Maybe pulling them might be an option ? --- Tricia Yen <triciayen1@...> wrote: > Andy, > My daughter's dentist said my daughter needs to have > two crowns to > put on her teeth. > They will use stainless steel since their > manufacturer does not > make gold crown for baby teeth. > I call the manufacturer and ask them to send me the > composition > of the stainless steel crown. This is what they > send. > Element Nominal % composition > Carbon 0.12 > Manganese 2.00 > Silicon 1.00 > Phosphorus 0.04 > Sulfur 0.03 > Chromium 17.0-19.0 > Nickel 10.0-13.0 > Molybdenum 0.75 > copper 0.75 > Iron balance > > You said in this mail that amalgam can buld up under > the crowns. > Do you suggest that stainless steel is not a good > choice of > material to make crown? > If gold is not an option what else will you suggest? > Please advice ASAP befor her teeth become worse. > If anyone else has any idea, I would appreciate your > input on this > too. Thanks, > Tricia > > > > > > > > > It is not uncommon for there to be amalgam buildup > under the > crowns. > > > Dentists (and other licensed health care > professionals) are very > bad > about > > telling you what you want to hear instead of > telling you the truth > because > > they are sure you are worried about nothing. Were > you there when > they were > > put in? > > > > Andy > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2000 Report Share Posted August 31, 2000 Tricia- My advise is to avoid the crown. Stainless Steel Crowns contain nickel and are very toxic. If possible, find a mercury-free dentist who specializes in laser dentistry. With laser dentistry they remove only the decayed areas of the tooth and bond biocompatible composite material to the remaining part of the tooth. Dentists who use drills hollow out teeth for fillings, removing lots of healthy strong tooth surface in the process. These weaken filled teeth often require lifelong service because they crack. Crowns requires that they remove the outer suface of the tooth to the fit the crown over the tooth. Most cemented crowns leak within 2 to 4 years. Laser dentistry has been used in Germany and other parts of Europe for over 20 years. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2000 Report Share Posted September 1, 2000 I'm almost afraid to ask, but does anyone know if the porcelan crowns contain anything that could adversely affect our bodies especially when chelating? Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2000 Report Share Posted September 1, 2000 I haven't heard of " Targis Vectris " but I can tell you that all porcelain crowns for primary teeth are not recommended. They wouldn't have the longevity needed--for as thin as they would need to be all porcelain crowns would be constantly breaking. Perhaps a good question to ask to Bernie or Andy is nickel as easily vaporized as mercury? Is that how the nickel gets in as we know your child hasn't eaten his stainless steel crowns!? Also I know that stainless steel is used in heart ball valves and pins for broken bones--do these patients also have high nickel levels? The most important question is whether Janet can start chelating her son with those 3 stainless steel crowns in place. Anybody know?? s San Diego [ ] re: stainless steel crowns > >> My son has 3 stainless steel crowns. He has high blood levels of >> aluminium and nickel. I want to begin chelation but am unsure if I >> need to have the crowns removed. The dentist confirmed that he has >> not used any mercury containing compound with my son. Does anyone >> know if it would be safe to chelate with the crowns left in place or >> > Thank you, Janet >> > The nickel from the crowns may be a big problem in >itself. Sounds like unfortunately your dentist wasn't into >biocompatibility and aparently didn't realize nickel is very toxic and >carcinogenic, causes DNA strand breaks, even more than mercury. >It also is a factor in cognitive and learning disabilities like >mercury, etc. Nickel in such and in braces cause major problems for >kids that aparently most don't notice. I have a paper with some >references on nickel but Huggins/Levy Uninformed Consent has a lot >more. If you are planning on having them replaced by something non >metal like Targis Vectris or Porcelain or etc. I would do that >first. I'm not sure what to say about chelation if you don't plan to >have them replaced, as I hear that nickel causes DNA breaks with >DMSA(from Ray Sarela). Not surprising since it does this even without >DMSA. Huggins TDR recommends get rid of all nickel in mouth first, >just like with mercury. >Bernie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2000 Report Share Posted September 1, 2000 My NT then 6 yo daughter was recommended by her " conventional " dentist to have 2 stainless steel crowns placed on two of her molars. I could not bring myself to have metal placed in her mouth or take the chance of amalgam buildup placed under it. I've had ceramic type replacement crowns on my molars & had no problems with strength/durability issues, so I sought another opinion. I've always felt that even if a compatible material isn't as durable, at least its safer & not poisoning the body. So what if it will need to get replaced, but I never had any durability problems. I would recommend not giving hard candy, no ice chewing, etc. and you should be fine IMHO. The " alternative " biological dentist I went to looked at the x-rays and stated that the teeth could be filled, they were just in awkward locations and most dentists just don't want to mess with it. So, she got these filled with a composite material that she tested compatible with. No problems with them since. BTW, she had 6 fillings! done with this material, these 2 were just the most difficult ones. Dental visits for teeth work is traumatic, esp. for a young child hearing all of this drill noise in their head. Add extra tactile sensitivies due to autism and its not pretty. She wore headphones with her idol Shania blasting away. You may want to see if you can pursue something like valium before hand or even finding a dentist who will put them under. The worst part for my NT daughter was the deadening shot. Of course, we have no problem getting her to brush her teeth by just reminding her about her dentist experiences! And she voluntarily chews sugar free gum! Good luck, Janice in TX [ ] Re: Stainless Steel Crowns > > Andy, > My daughter's dentist said my daughter needs to have two crowns to > put on her teeth. > They will use stainless steel since their manufacturer does not > make gold crown for baby teeth. > I call the manufacturer and ask them to send me the composition > of the stainless steel crown. This is what they send. > Element Nominal % composition > Carbon 0.12 > Manganese 2.00 > Silicon 1.00 > Phosphorus 0.04 > Sulfur 0.03 > Chromium 17.0-19.0 > Nickel 10.0-13.0 > Molybdenum 0.75 > copper 0.75 > Iron balance > > You said in this mail that amalgam can buld up under the crowns. > Do you suggest that stainless steel is not a good choice of > material to make crown? > If gold is not an option what else will you suggest? > Please advice ASAP befor her teeth become worse. > If anyone else has any idea, I would appreciate your input on this > too. Thanks, > Tricia > > > > > > > > > It is not uncommon for there to be amalgam buildup under the > crowns. > > > Dentists (and other licensed health care professionals) are very > bad > about > > telling you what you want to hear instead of telling you the truth > because > > they are sure you are worried about nothing. Were you there when > they were > > put in? > > > > Andy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2000 Report Share Posted September 1, 2000 bject: Re: re: stainless steel crowns I haven't heard of " Targis Vectris " but I can tell you that all porcelain crowns for primary teeth are not recommended. They wouldn't have the longevity needed--for as thin as they would need to be all porcelain crowns would be constantly breaking. Perhaps a good question to ask to Bernie or Andy is nickel as easily vaporized as mercury? Nickel doesn't have a low vapor pressure like mercury, but the low vapor pressure is only part of the issue with mercury. As all plumbers, electricians, engineers know you get galvanic currents when you mix metals in the mouth or elsewhere, and especially so in the mouth as saliva is a good electrolyte. The galvanic current you can measure with a voltmeter/ampmeter from Radio Shack or etc. It deposits the nickel, mercury, etc. in the oral mucosa, saliva, etc. and it goes througout the body, as evidenced by the hair tests and urine tests people do. And nickel is very reactive, toxic, and carcinogenic. This is standard stuff, available on EPA, CDC, web sites, etc. I have a paper that has medical study rererences for all of it, many by dental school professors. Targis-Vectris is a composite plastic. I have several TV crowns and bridges, one bridge spans 3 missing front teeth that I lost in an accident a long time ago. Its very durable. There are lots of other nonmetal alternatives that are durable as well, such as Structure Fibrecore, Procera, ceramics, etc. But I know peole who have porcelain crowns on " primary " teeth that have done well for a long time. A friend here at work is one of them. Structural strength is not the issue here, dentists mostly use what they've always used, don't look at biocompatibility and research much it seems. Bernie Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 Some dentists place mercury under the crown (in the case of root canals, they use to put it down in the tip in direct contact with the nerve endings, and blood supply!) I would avoid any metal in the mouth. On the list you provided, nickel is of particular concern. Ask about porcelain (sp?) or ceramic crowns but make sure they don't contain any metals. On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 04:42:09 -0000, egroups wrote: > Andy, > My daughter's dentist said my daughter needs to have two crowns to > put on her teeth. > They will use stainless steel since their manufacturer does not > make gold crown for baby teeth. > I call the manufacturer and ask them to send me the composition > of the stainless steel crown. This is what they send. > Element Nominal % composition > Carbon 0.12 > Manganese 2.00 > Silicon 1.00 > Phosphorus 0.04 > Sulfur 0.03 > Chromium 17.0-19.0 > Nickel 10.0-13.0 > Molybdenum 0.75 > copper 0.75 > Iron balance > > You said in this mail that amalgam can buld up under the crowns. > Do you suggest that stainless steel is not a good choice of > material to make crown? > If gold is not an option what else will you suggest? > Please advice ASAP befor her teeth become worse. > If anyone else has any idea, I would appreciate your input on this > too. Thanks, > Tricia > > > > > > > > > It is not uncommon for there to be amalgam buildup under the > crowns. > > > Dentists (and other licensed health care professionals) are very > bad > about > > telling you what you want to hear instead of telling you the truth > because > > they are sure you are worried about nothing. Were you there when > they were > > put in? > > > > Andy > _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2001 Report Share Posted January 9, 2001 Some of the stainless steel used in dentistry contains 5% nickel (a known toxin). Any valid reason they won't do non-metal crowns? S -------------------------------------------------------------- My son needs 4 crowns on his teeth- all stainless steel. Is this a problem? Does stainless steel leach at all? He will also be going under general anesthesia for the procedure (he's 4)- has anyone else had this experience, any information I should be aware of? Thanks all, Fiona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2001 Report Share Posted January 9, 2001 In a message dated 1/8/01 11:18:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, FionaYoung@... writes: << y son needs 4 crowns on his teeth- all stainless steel. Is this a problem? Does stainless steel leach at all? He will also be going under general anesthesia for the procedure (he's 4)- has anyone else had this experience, any information I should be aware of? Thanks all, Fiona >> Fiona, I had to get my son stainless steel spacers. I verified with several dentist, including a homepathic one that the stainless steel is safe and does not contain any mercury. I was told that " there is nothing coming out of them. " My son was put to sleep using sweet air which worked out well considering. Hope this helps. Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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