Re: Changing Minds Protocol , b-12 and Methylcobalamin

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What is prozac supposed to do?Carol in IL <ps1272000@...> wrote: http://www.changingmindsfoundation.com/education.htmlSince I have been very happy with the gingko and I need to place an order for supplements from Kirkman, I was looking on the Changing Minds site to see what the rest of their protocol was.I have never tried Methylcobalamin and have just used folinic acid. Kirkman's has both Methylcobalamin that can be given sublingual and folinic acid supplement with B-12. If I get the Methylcobalamin and the Folinic acid with B-12, will I OD her on B-12??? The B-12 in the folinic acid is just 6 mcg, it's 5000 mcg in the Methylcobalamin. Seems like the 6 mcg would barely be noticed at those rates!Anyone else on here doing the supplement protocol outlined on Changing Minds? The information on the site is rapidly changing all the time!! You really have to go back often and read. Am

thinking of getting the Phosphatidylcholine sold here : http://www.bodybio.com/main/products/bodybiopc.htm Anyone tried that one yet? already gets lots of the EFA's and I swear they make a huge difference in her both cognitively and in her skin- no red cheeks or cracked lips here... well today they are pretty nasty looking with the strep and not being to give her the oils!!! but will get back in the swing later today if her tummy seems up to it.I think I am going to forward the info on prozac to my Ped and let her mull it over. I wish there were some studies out on this. Makes sense, but drugs scare me with out some research to balance out the risk/benefit factor.Anyone know of any new advances with this whole deal???? Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasayMom to seven including , 7 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.My problem is not how I look. It's how you see

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Prozac is supposed to grow new nerves in the brain. People with DS don't seem to have as many brain nerve cells and prozac has been shown to grow them in mice with DS and also in people with depression who were taking the drug.The data sure seems compelling, but I would feel better with some clinical trials done on children with DS. Wonder how they measure the nerve growth? Right now I am just using the ginkgo and lots of essencial fatty acids...which you also read about on their site. Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasayMom to seven including , 7 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me. Join our Down Syndrome information group - Down Syndrome Treatment/ Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace.com/vennamusic----- Original Message ----From: Lori Dunn <ladunn07@...>Down Syndrome Treatment Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 12:44:37 PMSubject: Re: Changing Minds Protocol , b-12 and Methylcobalamin

What is prozac supposed to do?Carol in IL <ps1272000 (DOT) com> wrote: http://www.changing mindsfoundation. com/education. htmlSince I have been very happy with the gingko and I need to place an order for supplements from Kirkman, I was looking on the Changing Minds site to see what the rest of their protocol was.I have never tried Methylcobalamin and have just used folinic acid. Kirkman's has both Methylcobalamin that can be given sublingual

and folinic acid supplement with B-12. If I get the Methylcobalamin and the Folinic acid with B-12, will I OD her on B-12??? The B-12 in the folinic acid is just 6 mcg, it's 5000 mcg in the Methylcobalamin. Seems like the 6 mcg would barely be noticed at those rates!Anyone else on here doing the supplement protocol outlined on Changing Minds? The information on the site is rapidly changing all the time!! You really have to go back often and read. Am

thinking of getting the Phosphatidylcholine sold here : http://www.bodybio. com/main/ products/ bodybiopc. htm Anyone tried that one yet? already gets lots of the EFA's and I swear they make a huge difference in her both cognitively and in her skin- no red cheeks or cracked lips here... well today they are pretty nasty looking with the strep and not being to give her the oils!!! but will get back in the swing later today if her tummy seems up to it.I think I am going to forward the info on prozac to my Ped and let her mull it over. I wish there were some studies out on this. Makes sense, but drugs scare me with out some research to balance out the risk/benefit factor.Anyone know of any new advances with this whole deal???? Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasayMom to seven including , 7 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.My

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It's funny you bring up the Changing Minds protocol . . . it was just being discussed a bunch over at DSTNI . But, this part of it wasn't talked about.

Boy, that sounds like an awful lot of B-12!! Is 5000 mcg's the recommended protocol from Changing Minds? I wouldn't be too concerned with the 6 mcgs in the FA w/ B-12 because, like you said, I'd hardly be noticed. But what I'd be concerned about is the 5000mcgs of Methylcobalamin. That is such a massive dose!

My brother takes Methylcobalamin, but not specifically because of the CM protocol. He takes it to help his homocysteine and MCV levels. He takes 250mcgs of Methylcobalamin a day. Then in his Nutrivene he gets 27mcgs of B12 in the Cyanocobalamin form.

The MeB12 my brother takes is in the form of a sublingual. But, it is the 1000mcg lozenge that we use. We give him 1/4 of it.

I have heard of phosphatidylcholine. It is a good supplement, if it's needed especially. It helps with the brain. I believe I've heard of some families who use it with their kids. I don't know tons about this though.

The drugs scare me too! My brother takes some GB, but there is no way we are putting him on Prozac. Especially since he's only almost 3, but still, even if he were older we wouldn't use it. There's just not enough research. It would have to be A TON of research for us to use a drug, especially one like Prozac. Yikes!!

I'll forward you an email from Dr. Cody that she sent to DSTNI a couple days ago that you may find interesting.

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Changing Minds Protocol , b-12 and Methylcobalamin

http://www.changingmindsfoundation.com/education.htmlSince I have been very happy with the gingko and I need to place an order for supplements from Kirkman, I was looking on the Changing Minds site to see what the rest of their protocol was.I have never tried Methylcobalamin and have just used folinic acid. Kirkman's has both Methylcobalamin that can be given sublingual and folinic acid supplement with B-12. If I get the Methylcobalamin and the Folinic acid with B-12, will I OD her on B-12??? The B-12 in the folinic acid is just 6 mcg, it's 5000 mcg in the Methylcobalamin. Seems like the 6 mcg would barely be noticed at those rates!Anyone else on here doing the supplement protocol outlined on Changing Minds? The information on the site is rapidly changing all the time!! You really have to go back often and read. Am thinking of getting the Phosphatidylcholine sold here : http://www.bodybio.com/main/products/bodybiopc.htm Anyone tried that one yet? already gets lots of the EFA's and I swear they make a huge difference in her both cognitively and in her skin- no red cheeks or cracked lips here... well today they are pretty nasty looking with the strep and not being to give her the oils!!! but will get back in the swing later today if her tummy seems up to it.I think I am going to forward the info on prozac to my Ped and let her mull it over. I wish there were some studies out on this. Makes sense, but drugs scare me with out some research to balance out the risk/benefit factor.Anyone know of any new advances with this whole deal????

Carol in IL

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So is anybody also using the focalin xl, and if so does it increase aggression? Also have you noticed a decrease in sensory issues using any of this protocol? LoriCarol in IL <ps1272000@...> wrote: http://www.changingmindsfoundation.com/education.htmlSince I have been very happy with the gingko and

I need to place an order for supplements from Kirkman, I was looking on the Changing Minds site to see what the rest of their protocol was.I have never tried Methylcobalamin and have just used folinic acid. Kirkman's has both Methylcobalamin that can be given sublingual and folinic acid supplement with B-12. If I get the Methylcobalamin and the Folinic acid with B-12, will I OD her on B-12??? The B-12 in the folinic acid is just 6 mcg, it's 5000 mcg in the Methylcobalamin. Seems like the 6 mcg would barely be noticed at those rates!Anyone else on here doing the supplement protocol outlined on Changing Minds? The information on the site is rapidly changing all the time!! You really have to go back often and read. Am thinking of getting the Phosphatidylcholine sold here : http://www.bodybio.com/main/products/bodybiopc.htm Anyone tried that one yet? already gets lots of the EFA's and I swear they make a huge difference in her both cognitively and in her skin- no red cheeks or cracked lips here... well today they are pretty nasty looking with the strep and not being to give her the oils!!! but will get back in the swing later today if her tummy seems up to it.I think I am going to forward the info on prozac to my Ped and let her mull it over. I wish there were some studies out on this. Makes sense, but

drugs scare me with out some research to balance out the risk/benefit factor.Anyone know of any new advances with this whole deal???? Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasayMom to seven including , 7 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and

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I read your fwd before I saw this post.... It's Kirkman's recommended dose! I haven't found a dose on CM yet. Kirkman's is a powder so it would be very easy to reduce it.I can't imagine Dr L allowing such talk to take place over there for long???? Her homocysteine was smack dab in the middle of normal last time tested, and MCV had fallen to high normal so we haven't done this. Ya i hear you about the prozac, but if it truly does grow new nerve cells, it might well only do good things for their brains. I have taken the tact of growing connections by exposing her to many new things and be in circumstances a bit out of her level of comfort. There is so much talk about neuroplasiticy out there now, it seems like the prudent thing to do and no side effects, except for a tired

mother ;-) Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasayMom to seven including , 7 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.My problem is not how I

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Qadoshyah <feargod@...>Down Syndrome Treatment Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 4:16:54 PMSubject: Re: Changing Minds Protocol , b-12 and Methylcobalamin

It's funny you bring up the Changing Minds protocol . . . it was just being discussed a bunch over at DSTNI . But, this part of it wasn't talked about.

Boy, that sounds like an awful lot of B-12!! Is 5000 mcg's the recommended protocol from Changing Minds? I wouldn't be too concerned with the 6 mcgs in the FA w/ B-12 because, like you said, I'd hardly be noticed. But what I'd be concerned about is the 5000mcgs of Methylcobalamin. That is such a massive dose!

My brother takes Methylcobalamin, but not specifically because of the CM protocol. He takes it to help his homocysteine and MCV levels. He takes 250mcgs of Methylcobalamin a day. Then in his Nutrivene he gets 27mcgs of B12 in the Cyanocobalamin form.

The MeB12 my brother takes is in the form of a sublingual. But, it is the 1000mcg lozenge that we use. We give him 1/4 of it.

I have heard of phosphatidylcholine . It is a good supplement, if it's needed especially. It helps with the brain. I believe I've heard of some families who use it with their kids. I don't know tons about this though.

The drugs scare me too! My brother takes some GB, but there is no way we are putting him on Prozac. Especially since he's only almost 3, but still, even if he were older we wouldn't use it. There's just not enough research. It would have to be A TON of research for us to use a drug, especially one like Prozac. Yikes!!

I'll forward you an email from Dr. Cody that she sent to DSTNI a couple days ago that you may find interesting.

Qadoshyah

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[DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Changing Minds Protocol , b-12 and Methylcobalamin

http://www.changing mindsfoundation. com/education. htmlSince I have been very happy with the gingko and I need to place an order for supplements from Kirkman, I was looking on the Changing Minds site to see what the rest of their protocol was.I have never tried Methylcobalamin and have just used folinic acid. Kirkman's has both Methylcobalamin that can be given sublingual and folinic acid supplement with B-12. If I get the Methylcobalamin and the Folinic acid with B-12, will I OD her on B-12??? The B-12 in the folinic acid is just 6 mcg, it's 5000 mcg in the Methylcobalamin. Seems like the 6 mcg would barely be noticed at those rates!Anyone else on here doing the supplement protocol outlined on Changing Minds? The information on the site is rapidly changing all the time!! You really have to go back often and read. Am thinking of getting the Phosphatidylcholine sold here : http://www.bodybio. com/main/ products/ bodybiopc. htm Anyone tried that one yet? already gets lots of the EFA's and I swear they make a huge difference in her both cognitively and in her skin- no red cheeks or cracked lips here... well today they are pretty nasty looking with the strep and not being to give her the oils!!! but will get back in the swing later today if her tummy seems up to it.I think I am going to forward the info on prozac to my Ped and let her mull it over. I wish there were some studies out on this. Makes sense, but drugs scare me with out some research to balance out the risk/benefit factor.Anyone know of any new advances with this whole deal????

Carol in IL

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I am only using the gingko from the GM sitie, though have been using the EFA for a long time now and think they are amazing. is working at the level of the improved kids I saw on the site and she doesn't take any type of drug for learning issues. No one has suggested any either. This is not to say her attention span is typical- but close enough for her to progress.I hope others chime in here. I know we have some mom's here using it.It's a New Year and time to reevaluate things.... also have dh's bonus to play with ;-) Carol in IL

AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasayMom to seven including , 7 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me. Join our Down Syndrome information group - Down Syndrome Treatment/ Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace.com/vennamusic----- Original Message ----From: Lori Dunn <ladunn07@...>Down Syndrome Treatment Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 4:46:08 PMSubject: Re: Changing Minds Protocol , b-12 and Methylcobalamin

So is anybody also using the focalin xl, and if so does it increase aggression? Also have you noticed a decrease in sensory issues using any of this protocol? LoriCarol in IL <ps1272000 (DOT) com> wrote: http://www.changing mindsfoundation. com/education. htmlSince I have been very happy with the gingko and

I need to place an order for supplements from Kirkman, I was looking on the Changing Minds site to see what the rest of their protocol was.I have never tried Methylcobalamin and have just used folinic acid. Kirkman's has both Methylcobalamin that can be given sublingual and folinic acid supplement with B-12. If I get the Methylcobalamin and the Folinic acid with B-12, will I OD her on B-12??? The B-12 in the folinic acid is just 6 mcg, it's 5000 mcg in the Methylcobalamin. Seems like the 6 mcg would barely be noticed at those rates!Anyone else on here doing the supplement protocol outlined on Changing Minds? The information on the site is rapidly changing all the time!! You really have to go back often and read. Am thinking of getting the Phosphatidylcholine sold here : http://www.bodybio. com/main/ products/ bodybiopc. htm Anyone tried that one yet? already gets lots of the EFA's and I swear they make a huge difference in her both cognitively and in her skin- no red cheeks or cracked lips here... well today they are pretty nasty looking with the strep and not being to give her the oils!!! but will get back in the swing later today if her tummy seems up to it.I think I am going to forward the info on prozac to my Ped and let her mull it

over. I wish there were some studies out on this. Makes sense, but

drugs scare me with out some research to balance out the risk/benefit factor.Anyone know of any new advances with this whole deal???? Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasayMom to seven including , 7 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS,

Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and

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What is EFA?Carol in IL <ps1272000@...> wrote: I am only using the gingko from the GM sitie, though have been using the EFA for a long time now and think they are amazing. is working at the level of the improved kids I saw on the site and she doesn't take any type of drug for learning issues. No one has suggested any either. This is not to say her attention span is typical- but close enough for her to progress.I hope others chime in here. I know we

have some mom's here using it.It's a New Year and time to reevaluate things.... also have dh's bonus to play with ;-) Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasayMom to seven including , 7 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me. Join our Down Syndrome information group - Down Syndrome Treatment/ Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace.com/vennamusic Re: Changing Minds Protocol , b-12 and Methylcobalamin So is anybody also using the focalin xl, and if so does it increase aggression? Also have you noticed a decrease in sensory issues using any of this protocol? LoriCarol in IL <ps1272000 (DOT) com> wrote: http://www.changing mindsfoundation. com/education.

htmlSince I have been very happy with the gingko and I need to place an order for supplements from Kirkman, I was looking on the Changing Minds site to see what the rest of their protocol was.I have never tried Methylcobalamin and have just used folinic acid. Kirkman's has both Methylcobalamin that can be given sublingual and folinic acid supplement with B-12. If I get the Methylcobalamin and the Folinic acid with B-12, will I OD her on B-12??? The B-12 in the folinic acid is just 6 mcg, it's 5000 mcg in the Methylcobalamin. Seems like the 6 mcg would barely be noticed at those rates!Anyone else on here doing the supplement protocol

outlined on Changing Minds? The information on the site is rapidly changing all the time!! You really have to go back often and read. Am thinking of getting the Phosphatidylcholine sold here : http://www.bodybio. com/main/ products/ bodybiopc. htm Anyone tried that one yet? already gets lots of the EFA's and I swear they make a huge difference in her both cognitively and in her skin- no red cheeks or cracked lips here... well today they are pretty nasty looking with the strep and not being to give her the oils!!! but will get back in the swing later today if her tummy seems up to it.I think I am going to forward the info on prozac to my Ped and let her mull

it over. I wish there were some studies out on this. Makes sense, but drugs scare me with out some research to balance out the risk/benefit factor.Anyone know of any new advances with this whole deal???? Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasayMom to seven including , 7

with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me. Join our Down Syndrome information group - http://health. groups.. com/group/ DownSyndromeInfo Exchange/ Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace. com/vennamusic Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.

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EFA = Essential Fatty Acids Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasayMom to seven including , 7 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma,

subglottal stenosis, and DS.My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me. Join our Down Syndrome information group - Down Syndrome Treatment/ Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace.com/vennamusic----- Original Message ----From: Lori Dunn <ladunn07@...>Down Syndrome Treatment Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2008 5:08:37 PMSubject: Re: Changing Minds Protocol , b-12 and Methylcobalamin

What is EFA?Carol in IL <ps1272000 (DOT) com> wrote: I am only using the gingko from the GM sitie, though have been using the EFA for a long time now and think they are amazing. is working at the level of the improved kids I saw on the site and she doesn't take any type of drug for learning issues. No one has suggested any either. This is not to say her attention span is typical- but close enough for her to progress.I hope others chime in here. I know we

have some mom's here using it.It's a New Year and time to reevaluate things.... also have dh's bonus to play with ;-) Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasayMom to seven including , 7 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and

DS.My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me. Join our Down Syndrome information group - http://health. groups.. com/group/ DownSyndromeInfo Exchange/ Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace. com/vennamusic Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Changing Minds Protocol , b-12 and Methylcobalamin So is anybody also using the focalin xl, and if so does it increase aggression? Also have you noticed a decrease in sensory issues using any of this protocol? LoriCarol in IL <ps1272000 (DOT) com> wrote: http://www.changing mindsfoundation. com/education.

htmlSince I have been very happy with the gingko and I need to place an order for supplements from Kirkman, I was looking on the Changing Minds site to see what the rest of their protocol was.I have never tried Methylcobalamin and have just used folinic acid. Kirkman's has both Methylcobalamin that can be given sublingual and folinic acid supplement with B-12. If I get the Methylcobalamin and the Folinic acid with B-12, will I OD her on B-12??? The B-12 in the folinic acid is just 6 mcg, it's 5000 mcg in the Methylcobalamin. Seems like the 6 mcg would barely be noticed at those rates!Anyone else on here

doing the supplement protocol

outlined on Changing Minds? The information on the site is rapidly changing all the time!! You really have to go back often and read. Am thinking of getting the Phosphatidylcholine sold here : http://www.bodybio. com/main/ products/ bodybiopc. htm Anyone tried that one yet? already gets lots of the EFA's and I swear they make a huge difference in her both cognitively and in her skin- no red cheeks or cracked lips here... well today they are pretty nasty looking with the strep and not being to give her the oils!!! but will get back in the swing later today if her tummy seems up to it.I think I am going to forward the info on

prozac to my Ped and let her mull

it over. I wish there were some studies out on this. Makes sense, but drugs scare me with out some research to balance out the risk/benefit factor.Anyone know of any new advances with this whole deal???? Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasayMom to seven including , 7

with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me. Join our Down Syndrome information group - http://health. groups.. com/group/ DownSyndromeInfo Exchange/ Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace. com/vennamusic Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.

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Subject: Re: Changing Minds Protocol , b-12

and Methylcobalamin

What is EFA?

Carol in IL <ps1272000@...> wrote:

I

am only using the gingko from the GM sitie, though have been using the EFA for

a long time now and think they are amazing. is working at the

level of the improved kids I saw on the site and she doesn't take any type of

drug for learning issues. No one has suggested any either. This is not to say

her attention span is typical- but close enough for her to progress.

I hope others chime in here. I know we have some mom's here using it.

It's a New Year and time to reevaluate things.... also have dh's bonus to play

with ;-)

Carol in IL

AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasay

Mom to seven including

, 7 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.

My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me.

Join

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Re: Changing Minds Protocol , b-12 and

Methylcobalamin

So is anybody also using the focalin xl, and if so does it

increase aggression? Also have you noticed a decrease in sensory issues

using any of this protocol?

Lori

Carol in IL <ps1272000 (DOT) com> wrote:

http://www.changing

mindsfoundation. com/education. html

Since I have been very happy with the gingko and I need to place an order for

supplements from Kirkman, I was looking on the Changing Minds site to see what

the rest of their protocol was.

I have never tried Methylcobalamin

and have just used folinic acid.

Kirkman's has both Methylcobalamin that can be given sublingual and

folinic acid supplement with B-12. If I get the Methylcobalamin and the

Folinic acid with B-12, will I OD her on B-12???

The B-12 in the folinic acid is just 6 mcg, it's 5000 mcg in the

Methylcobalamin. Seems like the 6 mcg would barely be noticed at those rates!

Anyone else on here doing the supplement protocol outlined on Changing

Minds? The information on

the site is rapidly changing all the time!! You really have to go back often

and read. Am thinking of getting the Phosphatidylcholine sold here : http://www.bodybio.

com/main/ products/ bodybiopc. htm Anyone tried that one yet?

already gets lots of the EFA's and I swear they make a huge

difference in her both cognitively and in her skin- no red cheeks or cracked

lips here... well today they are pretty nasty looking with the strep and not

being to give her the oils!!! but will get back in the swing later today if her

tummy seems up to it.

I think I am going to forward the info on prozac to my Ped and let her mull it

over. I wish there were some studies out on this. Makes sense, but drugs scare

me with out some research to balance out the risk/benefit factor.

Anyone know of any new advances with this whole deal????

Carol in IL

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Wow! That's a high dose!! From what I've heard the sublingual form of MeB12 is more readily absorable.

Dr. L, Dr. Cody and several other moms were discussing back and forth. It was actually an interesting and pretty mellow discussion.

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[DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Changing Minds Protocol , b-12 and Methylcobalamin

http://www.changing mindsfoundation. com/education. htmlSince I have been very happy with the gingko and I need to place an order for supplements from Kirkman, I was looking on the Changing Minds site to see what the rest of their protocol was.I have never tried Methylcobalamin and have just used folinic acid. Kirkman's has both Methylcobalamin that can be given sublingual and folinic acid supplement with B-12. If I get the Methylcobalamin and the Folinic acid with B-12, will I OD her on B-12??? The B-12 in the folinic acid is just 6 mcg, it's 5000 mcg in the Methylcobalamin. Seems like the 6 mcg would barely be noticed at those rates!Anyone else on here doing the supplement protocol outlined on Changing Minds? The information on the site is rapidly changing all the time!! You really have to go back often and read. Am thinking of getting the Phosphatidylcholine sold here : http://www.bodybio. com/main/ products/ bodybiopc. htm Anyone tried that one yet? already gets lots of the EFA's and I swear they make a huge difference in her both cognitively and in her skin- no red cheeks or cracked lips here... well today they are pretty nasty looking with the strep and not being to give her the oils!!! but will get back in the swing later today if her tummy seems up to it.I think I am going to forward the info on prozac to my Ped and let her mull it over. I wish there were some studies out on this. Makes sense, but drugs scare me with out some research to balance out the risk/benefit factor.Anyone know of any new advances with this whole deal????

Carol in IL

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The changes we've seen with my brother is his attention span and being able to focus better.

His attention span is great and he is able to focus really well. His delayed response time is very minimal.

We've noticed some changes in him lately, which I don't know if they are directly to the GB or not, but nonetheless it is interesting.

He can be given two things to do and he's able to do both of them without doing only the one thing. Like after we've fed him yogurt. There's the yogurt container that has to be thrown in the trash can and there's the spoon that has to be put in the sink. We give him both of them and tell him what to do with each one and he goes and puts the one in the trash and the other in the sink. A few months ago, he would have only been able to do one or the other, not remember to keep them both separate. Now, whether this is due to the GB, or just that he is getting older (will be 3 y/o in February), I don't know.

The other day when I was doing the stacking rings with him. Normally he picks up the smallest two rings first for whatever reason, but that is what he always does. Sometimes I'll stack them up the wrong way so that as he takes the first ones off the top of the stack, he puts them on the stacking toy in the right order. But, the other day I decided to leave them all laying there and just ask him to put the right one on to see if he could do it in the right order. He went to pick up the two smallest two and I said, "no, those don't go on first, can you pick up the red one?" He put down the smallest two, looked around at the pieces and picked up the red one and put it on. He did it with all the pieces . . . orange, green, yellow, dark blue, etc. He ended up doing it two times in a row! I was so excited. Again, I don't know if this is related to the GB, or another supplement, or if he is just growing.

Nonetheless, changes similar to these are the things that we've noticed with him and the GB.

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Re: Changing Minds Protocol , b-12 and Methylcobalamin

So is anybody also using the focalin xl, and if so does it increase aggression? Also have you noticed a decrease in sensory issues using any of this protocol?

LoriCarol in IL <ps1272000 (DOT) com> wrote:

http://www.changing mindsfoundation. com/education. htmlSince I have been very happy with the gingko and I need to place an order for supplements from Kirkman, I was looking on the Changing Minds site to see what the rest of their protocol was.I have never tried Methylcobalamin and have just used folinic acid. Kirkman's has both Methylcobalamin that can be given sublingual and folinic acid supplement with B-12. If I get the Methylcobalamin and the Folinic acid with B-12, will I OD her on B-12??? The B-12 in the folinic acid is just 6 mcg, it's 5000 mcg in the Methylcobalamin. Seems like the 6 mcg would barely be noticed at those rates!Anyone else on here doing the supplement protocol outlined on Changing Minds? The information on the site is rapidly changing all the time!! You really have to go back often and read. Am thinking of getting the Phosphatidylcholine sold here : http://www.bodybio. com/main/ products/ bodybiopc. htm Anyone tried that one yet? already gets lots of the EFA's and I swear they make a huge difference in her both cognitively and in her skin- no red cheeks or cracked lips here... well today they are pretty nasty looking with the strep and not being to give her the oils!!! but will get back in the swing later today if her tummy seems up to it.I think I am going to forward the info on prozac to my Ped and let her mull it over. I wish there were some studies out on this. Makes sense, but drugs scare me with out some research to balance out the risk/benefit factor.Anyone know of any new advances with this whole deal????

Carol in IL

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First, the dose of B12 is 1000mcg. not 5000mcg. I don't know where

that came from. Trivita is the brand my pedo recommends. It is a

sublingual but if they swallow it -it is OK.

>

> Wow! That's a high dose!! From what I've heard the sublingual form

of MeB12 is more readily absorable.

>

> Dr. L, Dr. Cody and several other moms were discussing back and

forth. It was actually an interesting and pretty mellow discussion.

>

>

> Qadoshyah

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> Book ~ Down Syndrome: What You CAN Do

> www.gotdownsyndrome.net/Book/whatyoucandobook.html

> [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Changing Minds Protocol ,

b-12 and Methylcobalamin

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> http://www.changing mindsfoundation. com/education. html

>

> Since I have been very happy with the gingko and I need to

place an order for supplements from Kirkman, I was looking on the

Changing Minds site to see what the rest of their protocol was.

> I have never tried Methylcobalamin and have just used folinic

acid.

>

> Kirkman's has both Methylcobalamin that can be given sublingual

and folinic acid supplement with B-12. If I get the Methylcobalamin

and the Folinic acid with B-12, will I OD her on B-12???

>

>

> The B-12 in the folinic acid is just 6 mcg, it's 5000 mcg in

the Methylcobalamin. Seems like the 6 mcg would barely be noticed at

those rates!

>

> Anyone else on here doing the supplement protocol outlined on

Changing Minds? The information on the site is rapidly changing all

the time!! You really have to go back often and read. Am thinking of

getting the Phosphatidylcholine sold here : http://www.bodybio.

com/main/ products/ bodybiopc. htm Anyone tried that one yet?

>

> already gets lots of the EFA's and I swear they make

a huge difference in her both cognitively and in her skin- no red

cheeks or cracked lips here... well today they are pretty nasty

looking with the strep and not being to give her the oils!!! but will

get back in the swing later today if her tummy seems up to it.

>

> I think I am going to forward the info on prozac to my Ped and

let her mull it over. I wish there were some studies out on this.

Makes sense, but drugs scare me with out some research to balance out

the risk/benefit factor.

> Anyone know of any new advances with this whole deal????

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> Carol in IL

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> AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasay

> Mom to seven including , 7 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD,

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It was the recommended dose from Kirkman Labs .

Qadoshyah

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[DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Changing Minds Protocol , b-12 and Methylcobalamin> > > > http://www.changing mindsfoundation. com/education. html> > Since I have been very happy with the gingko and I need to place an order for supplements from Kirkman, I was looking on the Changing Minds site to see what the rest of their protocol was.> I have never tried Methylcobalamin and have just used folinic acid.> > Kirkman's has both Methylcobalamin that can be given sublingual and folinic acid supplement with B-12. If I get the Methylcobalamin and the Folinic acid with B-12, will I OD her on B-12???> > > The B-12 in the folinic acid is just 6 mcg, it's 5000 mcg in the Methylcobalamin. Seems like the 6 mcg would barely be noticed at those rates!> > Anyone else on here doing the supplement protocol outlined on Changing Minds? The information on the site is rapidly changing all the time!! You really have to go back often and read. Am thinking of getting the Phosphatidylcholine sold here : http://www.bodybio. com/main/ products/ bodybiopc. htm Anyone tried that one yet? > > already gets lots of the EFA's and I swear they make a huge difference in her both cognitively and in her skin- no red cheeks or cracked lips here... well today they are pretty nasty looking with the strep and not being to give her the oils!!! but will get back in the swing later today if her tummy seems up to it.> > I think I am going to forward the info on prozac to my Ped and let her mull it over. I wish there were some studies out on this. Makes sense, but drugs scare me with out some research to balance out the risk/benefit factor.> Anyone know of any new advances with this whole deal????> > > > > Carol in IL > > > AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasay> Mom to seven including , 7 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.> > My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me.> > > > > > Join our Down Syndrome information group - > > http://health. groups.. com/group/ DownSyndromeInfo Exchange/> > > > Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace. com/vennamusic> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1208 - Release Date: 1/3/2008 3:52 PM> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1208 - Release Date: 1/3/2008 3:52 PM>

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