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Of course she has to still say it was the right decision for them...it's the only way she can stay sane in the knowledge she killed her baby (can't believe she named her kid Honor)

On one hand she's pretty brave to write about it at all...and in writing about it she has given others who are facing that decision insight into what they will feel...but if she was truly 'honorable' she would admit what she knows in her heart that she made a huge mistake.

, Mom to 14, DS, Southern CaliforniaTo succeed in life,you need three things:a wishbone, a backbone and a funny bone.~ Reba McIntyre

Diagnosis Down Syndrome: A Site of Hope for New Parents or Parents with a Prenatal Diagnosishttp://www.leeworks.net/DDS/What to Say to Parents of a Child with a Diagnosishttp://www.leeworks.net/DDS/speech.html

Article: Abortion is never an easy option: Why I aborted my first child

What a terrible and sickening article!

She even admits that she killed her baby - "I pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.'", but still says, "I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision."

www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/you/article.html?in_article_id=513058 & in_page_id=1908

'Abortion is never an easy option: Why I aborted my first child'

by KATHERINE MOBEY

YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a supermarket chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager for a recruitment company. Six years ago, they aborted their first child after it was diagnosed with Down's - a traumatic decision that took their marriage to breaking point. Here, tells their story...

Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line appears on the pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating a whole new future.

Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I discovered I was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went out and bought three more tests - just to be sure.

The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby and all appeared to be well. When we were offered the chance of another more detailed scan, we saw it as a bonus. There was no family history of complications, but it seemed wise to take every precaution.

The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures the nuchal folds at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's syndrome - was to be carried out at King's College Hospital in South London, and has to be done before you are 14 weeks pregnant.

My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes and I made it just before the deadline.

The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously experienced. I trusted her completely. But when she became quiet for a few moments, I knew instantly that something was wrong. She explained that my baby had exomphalos - a rare condition in which part of the intestine grows outside the body.

It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said, but it could be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding my hand. We were both in shock and I was crying. Four or five doctors poured into the room to look at the screen. I had become an exhibit.

A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk that my baby had Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need a chorionic villus sampling (CVS) test.

This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can accurately detect Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We agreed to have it done there and then. By the time we left the hospital, it was early evening.

As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had been such a shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my relationship with my baby had changed.

Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside her to be perfect - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision.

Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the CVS results to come through. In the three years we had known each other, we had been so happy. Now, for the first time, a black cloud was hanging over us.

It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she told me it was bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously affected by Down's as well as the intestinal complications.

We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what medical treatment it would need, but we did know that we would not be able to cope with a severely disabled child.

Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion. Neil stayed strong and made all the necessary arrangements.

I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the abortion procedure.

The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at almost 16 weeks pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical termination and would have to go through an induced labour.

The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy hormones and stop the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a couple of days later for the abortion itself.

Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now replaced by the Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was put into the side room of a maternity ward.

I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of healthy babies being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on contractions and I was moved into a delivery room.

Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I had gas and air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the labour would take up to 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The midwife had asked me at the outset whether I would want to see the baby when it was born.

My reaction had been, "Oh God, no."

I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby.

But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that had been inside me. I never even found out the sex, although I have always thought of it as a girl. In the years since, I have struggled hugely with the way I rejected my baby. I know it was a dreadfully unmotherly thing to do.

At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his way back, Neil saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue down the corridor – presumably to the incinerator. He often talks about that moment and it is extremely painful for him.

Afterwards – and I know this will sound bizarre – we were elated. Mum and Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded over me. For Mum, it had meant losing a grandchild, but she was totally supportive of our decision – her priority throughout was me.

When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet on miscarriage – a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone.

Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever criticised me - but it was hard for many people to understand fully what we had been through.

I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't concentrate and kept breaking down in meetings.

My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and King's College Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her on and off for two years, and without her I don't think I would be where I am today.

There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with.

First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and overwhelming. Second, I was battling with a massive sense of failure - I am the third of four children, my elder brother and sister each had two healthy children, and my younger sister Pippa had just announced she was pregnant.

I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had become the catalyst for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions.

My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well, but not as well as them.

And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom I was at school, had ended disastrously after a year.

I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get having a baby right the first time round.

My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had been contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb.

I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking back, it was too soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but no one was taking care of him.

He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for another baby, and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our daughter Honor.

The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but that didn't stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by the baby "project".

When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe my 'contaminated' body had produced a healthy baby.

I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably overprotective, and Neil ended up feeling abandoned.

On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents, but underneath there was a build-up of problems that we weren't addressing.

Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we had been through.

I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and family; Neil had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available for him.

When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break. It was a terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to acknowledge how troubled things were between us.

More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us to do that. I listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside Neil, just as it did in me.

A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were determined to make it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but I no longer assume anything. I've learnt there are no guarantees.

After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another baby. Honor is now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were dark days and we don't want to go back there.

I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a lovely family.

Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't contaminated.

But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.'

I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping the reality of what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The hospital took photos, but I have never seen them, and it feels too late to go back there now.

Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still cry as though mine were yesterday.

And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision.

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After the birth of my 4 1/2 year-old (about 7 months later), i

confess that I aborted an embryo (baby). BUT (and this is a big But)

>>>Had I been given correct and accurate information regarding my

son's diagnosis (they misdiagnosed him!!! PLUS they gave me grossly

INACCURATE information!!!), I would have NEVER aborted any child!!

I can never bring that one child back, even though I now have

another that will be one year-old on April 1st. It makes me angry at

the ignorance of some doctors and I must say my own ignorance at the

time in believing them (since I am a LPN).

Their information was based on a 20-cell count (only!) where there

is an 89% missed diagnosis of mosaicism, PLUS (PLUS) they had old

archaic information regarding any form of Down Syndrome and based on

their outdated information, they told me he would be " severely

mentally retarded " AND " MY EGGS were old " (not the case in

mosaicism). These doctors were SPECIALISTS!!! (supposed to be!)

never again would I ever abort a child based on ANY diagnosis

(including Trisomy 21 or any other). (Notice how my embryo went from

a fertilized egg to a baby to a child!! that shows my passion here.)

Point being, the information floating around out there is vague and

inaccurate, as well as outdated.

We cannot condemn others for decisions they have made because we

have no idea what information they were relying on. Ultimately, I

blame the hospital doctors for killing my baby. (Right or Wrong,

that is what I believe.) I now take responsibility for my actions by

being as informed as I can and making my own educated choices in

what to do.

>

> Of course she has to still say it was the right decision for

them...it's the only way she can stay sane in the knowledge she

killed her baby (can't believe she named her kid Honor)

>

> On one hand she's pretty brave to write about it at all...and in

writing about it she has given others who are facing that decision

insight into what they will feel...but if she was truly 'honorable'

she would admit what she knows in her heart that she made a huge

mistake.

>

> , Mom to 14, DS, Southern California

> To succeed in life,

> you need three things:

> a wishbone, a backbone and a funny bone.

> ~ Reba McIntyre

>

>

> Diagnosis Down Syndrome: A Site of Hope for New Parents or Parents

with a Prenatal Diagnosis

> http://www.leeworks.net/DDS/

> What to Say to Parents of a Child with a Diagnosis

> http://www.leeworks.net/DDS/speech.html

> Article: Abortion is never

an easy option: Why I aborted my first child

>

>

>

> What a terrible and sickening article!

>

> She even admits that she killed her baby - " I pass Down's

children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.' " , but still

says, " I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision. "

> www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/you/article.html?

in_article_id=513058 & in_page_id=1908

> 'Abortion is never an easy option: Why I aborted my first child'

> by KATHERINE MOBEY

>

> YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a

supermarket chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager

for a recruitment company. Six years ago, they aborted their first

child after it was diagnosed with Down's - a traumatic decision that

took their marriage to breaking point. Here, tells their

story...

>

> Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line appears

on the pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating a

whole new future.

>

> Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I

discovered I was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went

out and bought three more tests - just to be sure.

>

> The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby and

all appeared to be well. When we were offered the chance of another

more detailed scan, we saw it as a bonus. There was no family

history of complications, but it seemed wise to take every

precaution.

>

> The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures the

nuchal folds at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's

syndrome - was to be carried out at King's College Hospital in South

London, and has to be done before you are 14 weeks pregnant.

>

> My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes and

I made it just before the deadline.

>

> The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously experienced.

I trusted her completely. But when she became quiet for a few

moments, I knew instantly that something was wrong. She explained

that my baby had exomphalos - a rare condition in which part of the

intestine grows outside the body.

>

> It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said,

but it could be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding

my hand. We were both in shock and I was crying. Four or five

doctors poured into the room to look at the screen. I had become an

exhibit.

>

> A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk that

my baby had Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need

a chorionic villus sampling (CVS) test.

>

> This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can

accurately detect Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We

agreed to have it done there and then. By the time we left the

hospital, it was early evening.

>

> As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had been

such a shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my

relationship with my baby had changed.

>

> Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside her

to be perfect - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision.

>

> Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the CVS

results to come through. In the three years we had known each other,

we had been so happy. Now, for the first time, a black cloud was

hanging over us.

>

> It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she

told me it was bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously

affected by Down's as well as the intestinal complications.

>

> We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what medical

treatment it would need, but we did know that we would not be able

to cope with a severely disabled child.

>

> Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion.

Neil stayed strong and made all the necessary arrangements.

>

> I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the

abortion procedure.

>

> The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at almost

16 weeks pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical

termination and would have to go through an induced labour.

>

> The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy

hormones and stop the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a

couple of days later for the abortion itself.

>

> Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now

replaced by the Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was

put into the side room of a maternity ward.

>

> I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of

healthy babies being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on

contractions and I was moved into a delivery room.

>

> Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I

had gas and air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the

labour would take up to 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The

midwife had asked me at the outset whether I would want to see the

baby when it was born.

>

> My reaction had been, " Oh God, no. "

>

> I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby.

>

> But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that had

been inside me. I never even found out the sex, although I have

always thought of it as a girl. In the years since, I have struggled

hugely with the way I rejected my baby. I know it was a dreadfully

unmotherly thing to do.

>

> At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his way

back, Neil saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue

down the corridor - presumably to the incinerator. He often talks

about that moment and it is extremely painful for him.

>

> Afterwards - and I know this will sound bizarre - we were

elated. Mum and Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded

over me. For Mum, it had meant losing a grandchild, but she was

totally supportive of our decision - her priority throughout was me.

>

> When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet on

miscarriage - a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone.

>

> Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever

criticised me - but it was hard for many people to understand fully

what we had been through.

>

> I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't

concentrate and kept breaking down in meetings.

>

> My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and

King's College Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her

on and off for two years, and without her I don't think I would be

where I am today.

>

> There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with.

>

> First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and

overwhelming. Second, I was battling with a massive sense of

failure - I am the third of four children, my elder brother and

sister each had two healthy children, and my younger sister Pippa

had just announced she was pregnant.

>

> I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had become

the catalyst for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions.

>

> My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well, but

not as well as them.

>

> And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom I

was at school, had ended disastrously after a year.

>

> I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get

having a baby right the first time round.

>

> My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had

been contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb.

>

> I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking

back, it was too soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but

no one was taking care of him.

>

> He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for

another baby, and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our

daughter Honor.

>

> The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but

that didn't stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by

the baby " project " .

>

> When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe my 'contaminated'

body had produced a healthy baby.

>

> I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably

overprotective, and Neil ended up feeling abandoned.

>

> On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents, but

underneath there was a build-up of problems that we weren't

addressing.

>

> Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we

had been through.

>

> I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and

family; Neil had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available

for him.

>

> When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break. It

was a terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to acknowledge

how troubled things were between us.

>

> More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us to

do that. I listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside

Neil, just as it did in me.

>

> A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were

determined to make it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but

I no longer assume anything. I've learnt there are no guarantees.

>

> After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another

baby. Honor is now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were

dark days and we don't want to go back there.

>

> I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a lovely

family.

>

> Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't

contaminated.

>

> But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass

Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.'

>

> I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping the

reality of what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The

hospital took photos, but I have never seen them, and it feels too

late to go back there now.

>

> Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still cry

as though mine were yesterday.

>

> And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision.

>

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, did the baby have a diagnosis of Down syndrome? Or another diagnosis?

I would love to support somebody who got the wrong information or lack of information from their doctor, THEN chose to abort based on that wrong information in a lawsuit of 'omitted information'.

That is the basis for the 'Wrongful Birth' suits. They are suing because the doctor's didn't tell them the whole story of what 'could' have been wrong with their baby, and in some cases simply misreading test results or not offering tests at all.

So, why can't it go both ways? If 'positive' information is omitted, and prejudiced negative information is given, why can't we have a landmark suit against that!?

Let me know, and if you want to email me privately my email is sandra.mcelwee@...

, Mom to 14, DS, Southern CaliforniaTo succeed in life,you need three things:a wishbone, a backbone and a funny bone.~ Reba McIntyre

Diagnosis Down Syndrome: A Site of Hope for New Parents or Parents with a Prenatal Diagnosishttp://www.leeworks.net/DDS/What to Say to Parents of a Child with a Diagnosishttp://www.leeworks.net/DDS/speech.html

Article: Abortion is never an easy option: Why I aborted my first child> > > > What a terrible and sickening article! > > She even admits that she killed her baby - "I pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.'", but still says, "I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision."> www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/you/article.html?in_article_id=513058 & in_page_id=1908> 'Abortion is never an easy option: Why I aborted my first child'> by KATHERINE MOBEY > > YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a supermarket chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager for a recruitment company. Six years ago, they aborted their first child after it was diagnosed with Down's - a traumatic decision that took their marriage to breaking point. Here, tells their story... > > Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line appears on the pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating a whole new future. > > Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I discovered I was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went out and bought three more tests - just to be sure. > > The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby and all appeared to be well. When we were offered the chance of another more detailed scan, we saw it as a bonus. There was no family history of complications, but it seemed wise to take every precaution. > > The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures the nuchal folds at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's syndrome - was to be carried out at King's College Hospital in South London, and has to be done before you are 14 weeks pregnant. > > My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes and I made it just before the deadline. > > The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously experienced. I trusted her completely. But when she became quiet for a few moments, I knew instantly that something was wrong. She explained that my baby had exomphalos - a rare condition in which part of the intestine grows outside the body. > > It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said, but it could be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding my hand. We were both in shock and I was crying. Four or five doctors poured into the room to look at the screen. I had become an exhibit. > > A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk that my baby had Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need a chorionic villus sampling (CVS) test. > > This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can accurately detect Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We agreed to have it done there and then. By the time we left the hospital, it was early evening. > > As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had been such a shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my relationship with my baby had changed. > > Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside her to be perfect - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision. > > Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the CVS results to come through. In the three years we had known each other, we had been so happy. Now, for the first time, a black cloud was hanging over us. > > It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she told me it was bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously affected by Down's as well as the intestinal complications. > > We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what medical treatment it would need, but we did know that we would not be able to cope with a severely disabled child. > > Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion. Neil stayed strong and made all the necessary arrangements. > > I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the abortion procedure. > > The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at almost 16 weeks pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical termination and would have to go through an induced labour. > > The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy hormones and stop the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a couple of days later for the abortion itself. > > Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now replaced by the Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was put into the side room of a maternity ward. > > I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of healthy babies being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on contractions and I was moved into a delivery room. > > Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I had gas and air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the labour would take up to 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The midwife had asked me at the outset whether I would want to see the baby when it was born. > > My reaction had been, "Oh God, no." > > I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby. > > But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that had been inside me. I never even found out the sex, although I have always thought of it as a girl. In the years since, I have struggled hugely with the way I rejected my baby. I know it was a dreadfully unmotherly thing to do. > > At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his way back, Neil saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue down the corridor - presumably to the incinerator. He often talks about that moment and it is extremely painful for him. > > Afterwards - and I know this will sound bizarre - we were elated. Mum and Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded over me. For Mum, it had meant losing a grandchild, but she was totally supportive of our decision - her priority throughout was me. > > When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet on miscarriage - a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone. > > Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever criticised me - but it was hard for many people to understand fully what we had been through. > > I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't concentrate and kept breaking down in meetings. > > My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and King's College Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her on and off for two years, and without her I don't think I would be where I am today. > > There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with. > > First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and overwhelming. Second, I was battling with a massive sense of failure - I am the third of four children, my elder brother and sister each had two healthy children, and my younger sister Pippa had just announced she was pregnant. > > I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had become the catalyst for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions. > > My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well, but not as well as them. > > And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom I was at school, had ended disastrously after a year. > > I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get having a baby right the first time round. > > My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had been contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb. > > I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking back, it was too soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but no one was taking care of him. > > He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for another baby, and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our daughter Honor. > > The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but that didn't stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by the baby "project". > > When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe my 'contaminated' body had produced a healthy baby. > > I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably overprotective, and Neil ended up feeling abandoned. > > On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents, but underneath there was a build-up of problems that we weren't addressing. > > Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we had been through. > > I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and family; Neil had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available for him. > > When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break. It was a terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to acknowledge how troubled things were between us. > > More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us to do that. I listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside Neil, just as it did in me. > > A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were determined to make it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but I no longer assume anything. I've learnt there are no guarantees. > > After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another baby. Honor is now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were dark days and we don't want to go back there. > > I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a lovely family. > > Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't contaminated. > > But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.' > > I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping the reality of what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The hospital took photos, but I have never seen them, and it feels too late to go back there now. > > Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still cry as though mine were yesterday. > > And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision.>

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That was really disgusting. I can in no way understand any mother killing her own child. ESPECIALLY a sick one. Her terminology it really condescending. What an arrogant snob. Glad she is not having any more and I feel sorry for her 'perfect' child. The only reason she had her was to prove SHE was equal in status to her sibs, not out of love for her child.She is one sick puppy. I hope her little girl can over come the obstacles her mother has already set before her. Carol in IL AIM doihavtasay1 GigaTribe doihavtasayMom to seven including , 7 with TOF, AVcanal, GERD, LS, Asthma, subglottal stenosis, and DS.My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me. Join our Down Syndrome information group - Down Syndrome Treatment/ Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace.com/vennamusic----- Original Message ----From: Qadoshyah <feargod@...>Down Syndrome Treatment Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:37:38 PMSubject: Article: Abortion is never an easy option: Why I aborted my first child

What a terrible and sickening article!

She even admits that she killed her baby - "I pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.'", but still says, "I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision."

www.dailymail. co.uk/pages/ you/article. html?in_article_ id=513058 & in_page_id=1908

'Abortion is never an easy option: Why I aborted my first child'

by KATHERINE MOBEY

YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a supermarket chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager for a recruitment company. Six years ago, they aborted their first child after it was diagnosed with Down's - a traumatic decision that took their marriage to breaking point. Here, tells their story...

Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line appears on the pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating a whole new future.

Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I discovered I was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went out and bought three more tests - just to be sure.

The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby and all appeared to be well. When we were offered the chance of another more detailed scan, we saw it as a bonus. There was no family history of complications, but it seemed wise to take every precaution.

The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures the nuchal folds at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's syndrome - was to be carried out at King's College Hospital in South London, and has to be done before you are 14 weeks pregnant.

My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes and I made it just before the deadline.

The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously experienced. I trusted her completely. But when she became quiet for a few moments, I knew instantly that something was wrong. She explained that my baby had exomphalos - a rare condition in which part of the intestine grows outside the body.

It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said, but it could be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding my hand. We were both in shock and I was crying. Four or five doctors poured into the room to look at the screen. I had become an exhibit.

A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk that my baby had Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need a chorionic villus sampling (CVS) test.

This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can accurately detect Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We agreed to have it done there and then. By the time we left the hospital, it was early evening.

As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had been such a shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my relationship with my baby had changed.

Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside her to be perfect - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision.

Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the CVS results to come through. In the three years we had known each other, we had been so happy. Now, for the first time, a black cloud was hanging over us.

It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she told me it was bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously affected by Down's as well as the intestinal complications.

We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what medical treatment it would need, but we did know that we would not be able to cope with a severely disabled child.

Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion. Neil stayed strong and made all the necessary arrangements.

I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the abortion procedure.

The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at almost 16 weeks pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical termination and would have to go through an induced labour.

The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy hormones and stop the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a couple of days later for the abortion itself.

Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now replaced by the Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was put into the side room of a maternity ward.

I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of healthy babies being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on contractions and I was moved into a delivery room.

Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I had gas and air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the labour would take up to 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The midwife had asked me at the outset whether I would want to see the baby when it was born.

My reaction had been, "Oh God, no."

I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby.

But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that had been inside me. I never even found out the sex, although I have always thought of it as a girl. In the years since, I have struggled hugely with the way I rejected my baby. I know it was a dreadfully unmotherly thing to do.

At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his way back, Neil saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue down the corridor – presumably to the incinerator. He often talks about that moment and it is extremely painful for him.

Afterwards – and I know this will sound bizarre – we were elated. Mum and Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded over me. For Mum, it had meant losing a grandchild, but she was totally supportive of our decision – her priority throughout was me.

When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet on miscarriage – a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone.

Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever criticised me - but it was hard for many people to understand fully what we had been through.

I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't concentrate and kept breaking down in meetings.

My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and King's College Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her on and off for two years, and without her I don't think I would be where I am today.

There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with.

First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and overwhelming. Second, I was battling with a massive sense of failure - I am the third of four children, my elder brother and sister each had two healthy children, and my younger sister Pippa had just announced she was pregnant.

I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had become the catalyst for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions.

My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well, but not as well as them.

And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom I was at school, had ended disastrously after a year.

I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get having a baby right the first time round.

My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had been contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb.

I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking back, it was too soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but no one was taking care of him.

He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for another baby, and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our daughter Honor.

The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but that didn't stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by the baby "project".

When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe my 'contaminated' body had produced a healthy baby.

I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably overprotective, and Neil ended up feeling abandoned.

On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents, but underneath there was a build-up of problems that we weren't addressing.

Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we had been through.

I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and family; Neil had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available for him.

When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break. It was a terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to acknowledge how troubled things were between us.

More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us to do that. I listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside Neil, just as it did in me.

A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were determined to make it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but I no longer assume anything. I've learnt there are no guarantees.

After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another baby. Honor is now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were dark days and we don't want to go back there.

I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a lovely family.

Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't contaminated.

But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.'

I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping the reality of what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The hospital took photos, but I have never seen them, and it feels too late to go back there now.

Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still cry as though mine were yesterday.

And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision.

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What a terrible and sickening article!

She even admits that she killed her baby - "I pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.'", but still says, "I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision."

www.dailymail. co.uk/pages/ you/article. html?in_article_ id=513058 & in_page_id=1908

'Abortion is never an easy option: Why I aborted my first child'

by KATHERINE MOBEY

YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a supermarket chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager for a recruitment company. Six years ago, they aborted their first child after it was diagnosed with Down's - a traumatic decision that took their marriage to breaking point. Here, tells their story...

Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line appears on the pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating a whole new future.

Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I discovered I was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went out and bought three more tests - just to be sure.

The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby and all appeared to be well. When we were offered the chance of another more detailed scan, we saw it as a bonus. There was no family history of complications, but it seemed wise to take every precaution.

The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures the nuchal folds at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's syndrome - was to be carried out at King's College Hospital in South London, and has to be done before you are 14 weeks pregnant.

My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes and I made it just before the deadline.

The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously experienced. I trusted her completely. But when she became quiet for a few moments, I knew instantly that something was wrong. She explained that my baby had exomphalos - a rare condition in which part of the intestine grows outside the body.

It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said, but it could be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding my hand. We were both in shock and I was crying. Four or five doctors poured into the room to look at the screen. I had become an exhibit.

A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk that my baby had Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need a chorionic villus sampling (CVS) test.

This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can accurately detect Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We agreed to have it done there and then. By the time we left the hospital, it was early evening.

As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had been such a shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my relationship with my baby had changed.

Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside her to be perfect - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision.

Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the CVS results to come through. In the three years we had known each other, we had been so happy. Now, for the first time, a black cloud was hanging over us.

It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she told me it was bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously affected by Down's as well as the intestinal complications.

We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what medical treatment it would need, but we did know that we would not be able to cope with a severely disabled child.

Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion. Neil stayed strong and made all the necessary arrangements.

I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the abortion procedure.

The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at almost 16 weeks pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical termination and would have to go through an induced labour.

The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy hormones and stop the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a couple of days later for the abortion itself.

Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now replaced by the Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was put into the side room of a maternity ward.

I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of healthy babies being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on contractions and I was moved into a delivery room.

Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I had gas and air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the labour would take up to 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The midwife had asked me at the outset whether I would want to see the baby when it was born.

My reaction had been, "Oh God, no."

I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby.

But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that had been inside me. I never even found out the sex, although I have always thought of it as a girl. In the years since, I have struggled hugely with the way I rejected my baby. I know it was a dreadfully unmotherly thing to do.

At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his way back, Neil saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue down the corridor – presumably to the incinerator. He often talks about that moment and it is extremely painful for him.

Afterwards – and I know this will sound bizarre – we were elated. Mum and Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded over me. For Mum, it had meant losing a grandchild, but she was totally supportive of our decision – her priority throughout was me.

When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet on miscarriage – a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone.

Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever criticised me - but it was hard for many people to understand fully what we had been through.

I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't concentrate and kept breaking down in meetings.

My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and King's College Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her on and off for two years, and without her I don't think I would be where I am today.

There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with.

First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and overwhelming. Second, I was battling with a massive sense of failure - I am the third of four children, my elder brother and sister each had two healthy children, and my younger sister Pippa had just announced she was pregnant.

I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had become the catalyst for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions.

My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well, but not as well as them.

And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom I was at school, had ended disastrously after a year.

I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get having a baby right the first time round.

My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had been contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb.

I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking back, it was too soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but no one was taking care of him.

He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for another baby, and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our daughter Honor.

The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but that didn't stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by the baby "project".

When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe my 'contaminated' body had produced a healthy baby.

I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably overprotective, and Neil ended up feeling abandoned.

On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents, but underneath there was a build-up of problems that we weren't addressing.

Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we had been through.

I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and family; Neil had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available for him.

When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break. It was a terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to acknowledge how troubled things were between us.

More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us to do that. I listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside Neil, just as it did in me.

A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were determined to make it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but I no longer assume anything. I've learnt there are no guarantees.

After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another baby. Honor is now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were dark days and we don't want to go back there.

I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a lovely family.

Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't contaminated.

But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.'

I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping the reality of what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The hospital took photos, but I have never seen them, and it feels too late to go back there now.

Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still cry as though mine were yesterday.

And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision.

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Well, you can never " replace " the baby that is gone. (NEVER).

As it turns out for us, Down Syndrome is a dominant inherited trait

(so says the geneticist) and it is mosaicism!!! (yes, this is new

information. We are in the process of getting him the pedigrees in

order to " get it in writing " .)

I am GLAD " I " am here and " each of my children " are here. I would

not trade them for anything. I am so very glad (because I now have

more detailed knowledge) that no one determined (with faulty

information at that) that the rest of children had Down Syndrome

prior to birth. This crap that all children/people with Down

Syndrome are mentally retarded is CRAP! There are people with and

without DS who have issues, whether it be mental, emotional,

behavioral, physical. i am proud to have all of my children and

saddened that I fell into the doctors realm of misinformation. I

would have 5 more (for a total of ten) if God sends them my way. Who

knows what the future holds? And I know our risk is 100%!! Point is

I do not see it as a risk at all. too bad the people in my family do

not believe the same way as I do. They still view my son the same

way the doctors did and they have not spent any length of

substantial time with him (or us) in nearly 5 years. How sad!

Food for thought>>>Ultrasound does not determine severe emotional or

severe behavioral problems. I would much rather have a child with DS

than one with unforeseen problems. At least, we have the knowledge

to know what to look for and stay on top of! These poor mothers who

have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what they are facing is scarey!!

The quest for the " perfect baby " (Mozart's. Beethoven's, ballet

dancers, and so forth) through genetic selection is extremely

scarey. By dismissing genes that are " faulty or bad " (according to

some), you are opening yourself up for a whole new line of cancers

and other bad genes. As I have always said, " The intelligence of

disabilities needs to be recognized and appreciated. Without the

genuine acceptance of all DNA, we as humans will become a dying

race, " A Girl Named Suess. (reference:

http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?isbn=0-595-37775-0

>

> http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?

lang=E & Id=81263 & Option=FatwaId

>

> Article: Abortion is never an

easy option: Why I aborted my first child

>

>

>

>

>

> What a terrible and sickening article!

>

>

> She even admits that she killed her baby - " I

> pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.' " ,

but still says, " I remain certain that, for us, it was the right

decision. "

> www.dailymail. co.uk/pages/ you/article. html?in_article_

id=513058 & in_page_id=1908'Abortion is never an easy option: Why I

aborted my first

> child'by KATHERINE MOBEY

>

> YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a

supermarket

> chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager for a

recruitment

> company. Six years ago, they aborted their first child after it

was diagnosed

> with Down's - a traumatic decision that took their marriage to

breaking point.

> Here, tells their story...

> Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line appears

on the

> pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating a whole

new future.

>

> Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I

discovered I

> was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went out and

bought three

> more tests - just to be sure.

> The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby and

all appeared

> to be well. When we were offered the chance of another more

detailed scan, we

> saw it as a bonus. There was no family history of complications,

but it seemed

> wise to take every precaution.

> The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures the

nuchal folds

> at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's syndrome -

was to be

> carried out at King's College Hospital in South London, and has to

be done

> before you are 14 weeks pregnant.

> My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes and I

made it

> just before the deadline.

> The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously experienced. I

trusted her

> completely. But when she became quiet for a few moments, I knew

instantly that

> something was wrong. She explained that my baby had exomphalos - a

rare

> condition in which part of the intestine grows outside the body.

> It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said, but

it could

> be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding my hand. We

were both in

> shock and I was crying. Four or five doctors poured into the room

to look at the

> screen. I had become an exhibit.

> A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk that

my baby had

> Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need a

chorionic villus

> sampling (CVS) test.

> This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can accurately

detect

> Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We agreed to have it

done there and

> then. By the time we left the hospital, it was early evening.

> As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had been

such a

> shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my relationship

with my baby had

> changed.

> Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside her to

be perfect

> - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision.

> Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the CVS

results to

> come through. In the three years we had known each other, we had

been so happy.

> Now, for the first time, a black cloud was hanging over us.

> It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she told

me it was

> bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously affected by Down's

as well as the

> intestinal complications.

> We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what medical

treatment it

> would need, but we did know that we would not be able to cope with

a severely

> disabled child.

> Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion. Neil

stayed

> strong and made all the necessary arrangements.

> I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the

abortion

> procedure.

> The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at almost 16

weeks

> pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical

termination and would

> have to go through an induced labour.

> The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy hormones

and stop

> the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a couple of days

later for the

> abortion itself.

> Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now

replaced by the

> Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was put into the

side room of a

> maternity ward.

> I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of

healthy babies

> being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on contractions

and I was

> moved into a delivery room.

> Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I had

gas and

> air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the labour

would take up to

> 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The midwife had asked me

at the outset

> whether I would want to see the baby when it was born.

> My reaction had been, " Oh God, no. "

> I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby.

> But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that had

been inside

> me. I never even found out the sex, although I have always thought

of it as a

> girl. In the years since, I have struggled hugely with the way I

rejected my

> baby. I know it was a dreadfully unmotherly thing to do.

> At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his way

back, Neil

> saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue down the

corridor –

> presumably to the incinerator. He often talks about that moment

and it is

> extremely painful for him.

> Afterwards – and I know this will sound bizarre – we were elated.

Mum and

> Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded over me. For

Mum, it had meant

> losing a grandchild, but she was totally supportive of our

decision – her

> priority throughout was me.

> When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet on

miscarriage

> – a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone.

> Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever

criticised me -

> but it was hard for many people to understand fully what we had

been through.

>

> I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't

concentrate and kept

> breaking down in meetings.

> My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and

King's College

> Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her on and off

for two years,

> and without her I don't think I would be where I am today.

> There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with.

> First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and

overwhelming.

> Second, I was battling with a massive sense of failure - I am the

third of four

> children, my elder brother and sister each had two healthy

children, and my

> younger sister Pippa had just announced she was pregnant.

> I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had become

the catalyst

> for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions.

> My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well, but

not as well

> as them.

> And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom I

was at

> school, had ended disastrously after a year.

> I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get having

a baby

> right the first time round.

> My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had

been

> contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb.

> I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking back,

it was too

> soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but no one was

taking care of

> him.

> He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for

another baby,

> and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our daughter Honor.

> The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but

that didn't

> stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by the

baby " project " .

> When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe my 'contaminated'

body had

> produced a healthy baby.

> I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably

overprotective,

> and Neil ended up feeling abandoned.

> On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents, but

underneath

> there was a build-up of problems that we weren't addressing.

> Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we had

been

> through.

> I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and

family; Neil

> had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available for him.

> When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break. It

was a

> terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to acknowledge how

troubled things

> were between us.

> More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us to do

that. I

> listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside Neil,

just as it did in

> me.

> A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were

determined to make

> it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but I no longer

assume anything.

> I've learnt there are no guarantees.

> After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another baby.

Honor is

> now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were dark days and

we don't want

> to go back there.

> I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a lovely

family.

> Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't

contaminated.

>

> But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass Down's

children on

> the street and think, 'I killed mine.'

> I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping the

reality of

> what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The hospital

took photos,

> but I have never seen them, and it feels too late to go back there

now.

> Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still cry as

though mine

> were yesterday.

> And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision.

>

>

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I did e=-mail you. Please PLEASE e-mail me back.Our time is running

out. We have until July of this year. PLEASE HELP ME> I been have

been wanting to do something about this. Short of writing my book

(ISBN: 0-595-37775-0) to expose what they did, i have not found

anyone who knows enough or is competent enough to take the case.

PLEASE CONTACT ME>

(I " am " begging.)

> >

> > Of course she has to still say it was the right decision for

> them...it's the only way she can stay sane in the knowledge she

> killed her baby (can't believe she named her kid Honor)

> >

> > On one hand she's pretty brave to write about it at all...and

in

> writing about it she has given others who are facing that

decision

> insight into what they will feel...but if she was

truly 'honorable'

> she would admit what she knows in her heart that she made a huge

> mistake.

> >

> > , Mom to 14, DS, Southern California

> > To succeed in life,

> > you need three things:

> > a wishbone, a backbone and a funny bone.

> > ~ Reba McIntyre

> >

> >

> > Diagnosis Down Syndrome: A Site of Hope for New Parents or

Parents

> with a Prenatal Diagnosis

> > http://www.leeworks.net/DDS/

> > What to Say to Parents of a Child with a Diagnosis

> > http://www.leeworks.net/DDS/speech.html

> > Article: Abortion is never

> an easy option: Why I aborted my first child

> >

> >

> >

> > What a terrible and sickening article!

> >

> > She even admits that she killed her baby - " I pass Down's

> children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.' " , but still

> says, " I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision. "

> > www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/you/article.html?

> in_article_id=513058 & in_page_id=1908

> > 'Abortion is never an easy option: Why I aborted my first

child'

> > by KATHERINE MOBEY

> >

> > YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a

> supermarket chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations

manager

> for a recruitment company. Six years ago, they aborted their

first

> child after it was diagnosed with Down's - a traumatic decision

that

> took their marriage to breaking point. Here, tells

their

> story...

> >

> > Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line

appears

> on the pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are

contemplating a

> whole new future.

> >

> > Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I

> discovered I was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately

went

> out and bought three more tests - just to be sure.

> >

> > The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby

and

> all appeared to be well. When we were offered the chance of

another

> more detailed scan, we saw it as a bonus. There was no family

> history of complications, but it seemed wise to take every

> precaution.

> >

> > The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures

the

> nuchal folds at the back of the baby's neck to help detect

Down's

> syndrome - was to be carried out at King's College Hospital in

South

> London, and has to be done before you are 14 weeks pregnant.

> >

> > My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes

and

> I made it just before the deadline.

> >

> > The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously

experienced.

> I trusted her completely. But when she became quiet for a few

> moments, I knew instantly that something was wrong. She

explained

> that my baby had exomphalos - a rare condition in which part of

the

> intestine grows outside the body.

> >

> > It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said,

> but it could be an indicator of further problems. Neil was

holding

> my hand. We were both in shock and I was crying. Four or five

> doctors poured into the room to look at the screen. I had become

an

> exhibit.

> >

> > A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk

that

> my baby had Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would

need

> a chorionic villus sampling (CVS) test.

> >

> > This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can

> accurately detect Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We

> agreed to have it done there and then. By the time we left the

> hospital, it was early evening.

> >

> > As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had

been

> such a shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my

> relationship with my baby had changed.

> >

> > Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside

her

> to be perfect - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision.

> >

> > Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the

CVS

> results to come through. In the three years we had known each

other,

> we had been so happy. Now, for the first time, a black cloud was

> hanging over us.

> >

> > It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she

> told me it was bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously

> affected by Down's as well as the intestinal complications.

> >

> > We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what

medical

> treatment it would need, but we did know that we would not be

able

> to cope with a severely disabled child.

> >

> > Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion.

> Neil stayed strong and made all the necessary arrangements.

> >

> > I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the

> abortion procedure.

> >

> > The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at

almost

> 16 weeks pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a

surgical

> termination and would have to go through an induced labour.

> >

> > The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy

> hormones and stop the baby's heart beating. I was booked to

return a

> couple of days later for the abortion itself.

> >

> > Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now

> replaced by the Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I

was

> put into the side room of a maternity ward.

> >

> > I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of

> healthy babies being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to

bring on

> contractions and I was moved into a delivery room.

> >

> > Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I

> had gas and air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told

the

> labour would take up to 16 hours; in the event, it was only six.

The

> midwife had asked me at the outset whether I would want to see

the

> baby when it was born.

> >

> > My reaction had been, " Oh God, no. "

> >

> > I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby.

> >

> > But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that

had

> been inside me. I never even found out the sex, although I have

> always thought of it as a girl. In the years since, I have

struggled

> hugely with the way I rejected my baby. I know it was a

dreadfully

> unmotherly thing to do.

> >

> > At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his

way

> back, Neil saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of

tissue

> down the corridor - presumably to the incinerator. He often

talks

> about that moment and it is extremely painful for him.

> >

> > Afterwards - and I know this will sound bizarre - we were

> elated. Mum and Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief

flooded

> over me. For Mum, it had meant losing a grandchild, but she was

> totally supportive of our decision - her priority throughout was

me.

> >

> > When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet

on

> miscarriage - a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone.

> >

> > Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever

> criticised me - but it was hard for many people to understand

fully

> what we had been through.

> >

> > I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't

> concentrate and kept breaking down in meetings.

> >

> > My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and

> King's College Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw

her

> on and off for two years, and without her I don't think I would

be

> where I am today.

> >

> > There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with.

> >

> > First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and

> overwhelming. Second, I was battling with a massive sense of

> failure - I am the third of four children, my elder brother and

> sister each had two healthy children, and my younger sister

Pippa

> had just announced she was pregnant.

> >

> > I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had

become

> the catalyst for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions.

> >

> > My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well,

but

> not as well as them.

> >

> > And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom

I

> was at school, had ended disastrously after a year.

> >

> > I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get

> having a baby right the first time round.

> >

> > My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had

> been contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb.

> >

> > I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking

> back, it was too soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me,

but

> no one was taking care of him.

> >

> > He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for

> another baby, and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our

> daughter Honor.

> >

> > The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but

> that didn't stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed

by

> the baby " project " .

> >

> > When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe

my 'contaminated'

> body had produced a healthy baby.

> >

> > I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably

> overprotective, and Neil ended up feeling abandoned.

> >

> > On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents,

but

> underneath there was a build-up of problems that we weren't

> addressing.

> >

> > Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we

> had been through.

> >

> > I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and

> family; Neil had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so

available

> for him.

> >

> > When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break.

It

> was a terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to

acknowledge

> how troubled things were between us.

> >

> > More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us

to

> do that. I listened hard and realised that the pain lived on

inside

> Neil, just as it did in me.

> >

> > A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were

> determined to make it work. I hope we will be together for ever,

but

> I no longer assume anything. I've learnt there are no

guarantees.

> >

> > After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another

> baby. Honor is now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies

were

> dark days and we don't want to go back there.

> >

> > I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a

lovely

> family.

> >

> > Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't

> contaminated.

> >

> > But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass

> Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.'

> >

> > I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping

the

> reality of what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby.

The

> hospital took photos, but I have never seen them, and it feels

too

> late to go back there now.

> >

> > Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still cry

> as though mine were yesterday.

> >

> > And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right

decision.

> >

>

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P.S. , As far as i know, NOTHING was wrong with my baby. As

far as I knew then, my " eggs were old and defective " (based on the

gross misdiagnosis). there is a huge difference between 100% of your

cells are trisomic on the 21st, 50% only are trisomic, and

finally, " everyone in your family has this! "

We went from the first to the last!

WOW! I cannot help wonder where we would be today had they NOT done

the DNA test, which btw they had NO CONSENT TO DO! We declined. they

even tried to " take " my son away!! Horrifying moments that cannot

ever be restored to " normality " .

I do have the court transcripts, sealed and ceritifed!

He has no health problems except hearing issues (which is

hereditary) and a " verbal " speech delay related strictly to the

hearing. Other than that, just like my other kids 9except, he did

not get the proper bonding like they did. :0(( )

> >

> > Of course she has to still say it was the right decision for

> them...it's the only way she can stay sane in the knowledge she

> killed her baby (can't believe she named her kid Honor)

> >

> > On one hand she's pretty brave to write about it at all...and

in

> writing about it she has given others who are facing that

decision

> insight into what they will feel...but if she was

truly 'honorable'

> she would admit what she knows in her heart that she made a huge

> mistake.

> >

> > , Mom to 14, DS, Southern California

> > To succeed in life,

> > you need three things:

> > a wishbone, a backbone and a funny bone.

> > ~ Reba McIntyre

> >

> >

> > Diagnosis Down Syndrome: A Site of Hope for New Parents or

Parents

> with a Prenatal Diagnosis

> > http://www.leeworks.net/DDS/

> > What to Say to Parents of a Child with a Diagnosis

> > http://www.leeworks.net/DDS/speech.html

> > Article: Abortion is never

> an easy option: Why I aborted my first child

> >

> >

> >

> > What a terrible and sickening article!

> >

> > She even admits that she killed her baby - " I pass Down's

> children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.' " , but still

> says, " I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision. "

> > www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/you/article.html?

> in_article_id=513058 & in_page_id=1908

> > 'Abortion is never an easy option: Why I aborted my first

child'

> > by KATHERINE MOBEY

> >

> > YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a

> supermarket chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations

manager

> for a recruitment company. Six years ago, they aborted their

first

> child after it was diagnosed with Down's - a traumatic decision

that

> took their marriage to breaking point. Here, tells

their

> story...

> >

> > Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line

appears

> on the pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are

contemplating a

> whole new future.

> >

> > Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I

> discovered I was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately

went

> out and bought three more tests - just to be sure.

> >

> > The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby

and

> all appeared to be well. When we were offered the chance of

another

> more detailed scan, we saw it as a bonus. There was no family

> history of complications, but it seemed wise to take every

> precaution.

> >

> > The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures

the

> nuchal folds at the back of the baby's neck to help detect

Down's

> syndrome - was to be carried out at King's College Hospital in

South

> London, and has to be done before you are 14 weeks pregnant.

> >

> > My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes

and

> I made it just before the deadline.

> >

> > The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously

experienced.

> I trusted her completely. But when she became quiet for a few

> moments, I knew instantly that something was wrong. She

explained

> that my baby had exomphalos - a rare condition in which part of

the

> intestine grows outside the body.

> >

> > It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said,

> but it could be an indicator of further problems. Neil was

holding

> my hand. We were both in shock and I was crying. Four or five

> doctors poured into the room to look at the screen. I had become

an

> exhibit.

> >

> > A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk

that

> my baby had Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would

need

> a chorionic villus sampling (CVS) test.

> >

> > This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can

> accurately detect Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We

> agreed to have it done there and then. By the time we left the

> hospital, it was early evening.

> >

> > As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had

been

> such a shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my

> relationship with my baby had changed.

> >

> > Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside

her

> to be perfect - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision.

> >

> > Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the

CVS

> results to come through. In the three years we had known each

other,

> we had been so happy. Now, for the first time, a black cloud was

> hanging over us.

> >

> > It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she

> told me it was bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously

> affected by Down's as well as the intestinal complications.

> >

> > We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what

medical

> treatment it would need, but we did know that we would not be

able

> to cope with a severely disabled child.

> >

> > Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion.

> Neil stayed strong and made all the necessary arrangements.

> >

> > I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the

> abortion procedure.

> >

> > The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at

almost

> 16 weeks pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a

surgical

> termination and would have to go through an induced labour.

> >

> > The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy

> hormones and stop the baby's heart beating. I was booked to

return a

> couple of days later for the abortion itself.

> >

> > Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now

> replaced by the Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I

was

> put into the side room of a maternity ward.

> >

> > I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of

> healthy babies being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to

bring on

> contractions and I was moved into a delivery room.

> >

> > Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I

> had gas and air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told

the

> labour would take up to 16 hours; in the event, it was only six.

The

> midwife had asked me at the outset whether I would want to see

the

> baby when it was born.

> >

> > My reaction had been, " Oh God, no. "

> >

> > I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby.

> >

> > But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that

had

> been inside me. I never even found out the sex, although I have

> always thought of it as a girl. In the years since, I have

struggled

> hugely with the way I rejected my baby. I know it was a

dreadfully

> unmotherly thing to do.

> >

> > At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his

way

> back, Neil saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of

tissue

> down the corridor - presumably to the incinerator. He often

talks

> about that moment and it is extremely painful for him.

> >

> > Afterwards - and I know this will sound bizarre - we were

> elated. Mum and Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief

flooded

> over me. For Mum, it had meant losing a grandchild, but she was

> totally supportive of our decision - her priority throughout was

me.

> >

> > When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet

on

> miscarriage - a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone.

> >

> > Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever

> criticised me - but it was hard for many people to understand

fully

> what we had been through.

> >

> > I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't

> concentrate and kept breaking down in meetings.

> >

> > My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and

> King's College Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw

her

> on and off for two years, and without her I don't think I would

be

> where I am today.

> >

> > There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with.

> >

> > First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and

> overwhelming. Second, I was battling with a massive sense of

> failure - I am the third of four children, my elder brother and

> sister each had two healthy children, and my younger sister

Pippa

> had just announced she was pregnant.

> >

> > I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had

become

> the catalyst for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions.

> >

> > My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well,

but

> not as well as them.

> >

> > And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom

I

> was at school, had ended disastrously after a year.

> >

> > I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get

> having a baby right the first time round.

> >

> > My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had

> been contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb.

> >

> > I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking

> back, it was too soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me,

but

> no one was taking care of him.

> >

> > He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for

> another baby, and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our

> daughter Honor.

> >

> > The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but

> that didn't stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed

by

> the baby " project " .

> >

> > When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe

my 'contaminated'

> body had produced a healthy baby.

> >

> > I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably

> overprotective, and Neil ended up feeling abandoned.

> >

> > On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents,

but

> underneath there was a build-up of problems that we weren't

> addressing.

> >

> > Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we

> had been through.

> >

> > I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and

> family; Neil had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so

available

> for him.

> >

> > When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break.

It

> was a terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to

acknowledge

> how troubled things were between us.

> >

> > More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us

to

> do that. I listened hard and realised that the pain lived on

inside

> Neil, just as it did in me.

> >

> > A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were

> determined to make it work. I hope we will be together for ever,

but

> I no longer assume anything. I've learnt there are no

guarantees.

> >

> > After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another

> baby. Honor is now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies

were

> dark days and we don't want to go back there.

> >

> > I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a

lovely

> family.

> >

> > Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't

> contaminated.

> >

> > But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass

> Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.'

> >

> > I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping

the

> reality of what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby.

The

> hospital took photos, but I have never seen them, and it feels

too

> late to go back there now.

> >

> > Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still cry

> as though mine were yesterday.

> >

> > And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right

decision.

> >

>

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I am really happy to have a baby girl with DS. She made me become more near to my God by praying, praying and praying. God created me to worship him, he do not want for me money, food or anything else. If everything going well with me in this life, I will forget my God and I will start thinking only about how to enjoy in this life which will pull me to the way of Hell!Taking care of my children is another type of worships because it is showing the Mercy that God created. How lucky am I to show some of God's Mercy to people surrounding me. God bless u all [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Article: Abortion is never an

easy option: Why I aborted my first child

>

>

>

>

>

> What a terrible and sickening article!

>

>

> She even admits that she killed her baby - "I

> pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.'",

but still says, "I remain certain that, for us, it was the right

decision."

> www.dailymail. co.uk/pages/ you/article. html?in_article_

id=513058 & in_ page_id=1908' Abortion is never an easy option: Why I

aborted my first

> child'by KATHERINE MOBEY

>

> YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a

supermarket

> chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager for a

recruitment

> company. Six years ago, they aborted their first child after it

was diagnosed

> with Down's - a traumatic decision that took their marriage to

breaking point.

> Here, tells their story...

> Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line appears

on the

> pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating a whole

new future.

>

> Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I

discovered I

> was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went out and

bought three

> more tests - just to be sure.

> The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby and

all appeared

> to be well. When we were offered the chance of another more

detailed scan, we

> saw it as a bonus. There was no family history of complications,

but it seemed

> wise to take every precaution.

> The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures the

nuchal folds

> at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's syndrome -

was to be

> carried out at King's College Hospital in South London, and has to

be done

> before you are 14 weeks pregnant.

> My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes and I

made it

> just before the deadline.

> The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously experienced. I

trusted her

> completely. But when she became quiet for a few moments, I knew

instantly that

> something was wrong. She explained that my baby had exomphalos - a

rare

> condition in which part of the intestine grows outside the body.

> It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said, but

it could

> be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding my hand. We

were both in

> shock and I was crying. Four or five doctors poured into the room

to look at the

> screen. I had become an exhibit.

> A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk that

my baby had

> Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need a

chorionic villus

> sampling (CVS) test.

> This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can accurately

detect

> Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We agreed to have it

done there and

> then. By the time we left the hospital, it was early evening.

> As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had been

such a

> shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my relationship

with my baby had

> changed.

> Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside her to

be perfect

> - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision.

> Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the CVS

results to

> come through. In the three years we had known each other, we had

been so happy.

> Now, for the first time, a black cloud was hanging over us.

> It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she told

me it was

> bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously affected by Down's

as well as the

> intestinal complications.

> We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what medical

treatment it

> would need, but we did know that we would not be able to cope with

a severely

> disabled child.

> Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion. Neil

stayed

> strong and made all the necessary arrangements.

> I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the

abortion

> procedure.

> The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at almost 16

weeks

> pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical

termination and would

> have to go through an induced labour.

> The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy hormones

and stop

> the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a couple of days

later for the

> abortion itself.

> Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now

replaced by the

> Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was put into the

side room of a

> maternity ward.

> I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of

healthy babies

> being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on contractions

and I was

> moved into a delivery room.

> Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I had

gas and

> air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the labour

would take up to

> 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The midwife had asked me

at the outset

> whether I would want to see the baby when it was born.

> My reaction had been, "Oh God, no."

> I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby.

> But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that had

been inside

> me. I never even found out the sex, although I have always thought

of it as a

> girl. In the years since, I have struggled hugely with the way I

rejected my

> baby. I know it was a dreadfully unmotherly thing to do.

> At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his way

back, Neil

> saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue down the

corridor –

> presumably to the incinerator. He often talks about that moment

and it is

> extremely painful for him.

> Afterwards – and I know this will sound bizarre – we were elated.

Mum and

> Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded over me. For

Mum, it had meant

> losing a grandchild, but she was totally supportive of our

decision – her

> priority throughout was me.

> When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet on

miscarriage

> – a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone.

> Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever

criticised me -

> but it was hard for many people to understand fully what we had

been through.

>

> I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't

concentrate and kept

> breaking down in meetings.

> My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and

King's College

> Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her on and off

for two years,

> and without her I don't think I would be where I am today.

> There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with.

> First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and

overwhelming.

> Second, I was battling with a massive sense of failure - I am the

third of four

> children, my elder brother and sister each had two healthy

children, and my

> younger sister Pippa had just announced she was pregnant.

> I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had become

the catalyst

> for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions.

> My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well, but

not as well

> as them.

> And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom I

was at

> school, had ended disastrously after a year.

> I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get having

a baby

> right the first time round.

> My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had

been

> contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb.

> I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking back,

it was too

> soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but no one was

taking care of

> him.

> He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for

another baby,

> and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our daughter Honor.

> The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but

that didn't

> stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by the

baby "project".

> When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe my 'contaminated'

body had

> produced a healthy baby.

> I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably

overprotective,

> and Neil ended up feeling abandoned.

> On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents, but

underneath

> there was a build-up of problems that we weren't addressing.

> Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we had

been

> through.

> I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and

family; Neil

> had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available for him.

> When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break. It

was a

> terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to acknowledge how

troubled things

> were between us.

> More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us to do

that. I

> listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside Neil,

just as it did in

> me.

> A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were

determined to make

> it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but I no longer

assume anything.

> I've learnt there are no guarantees.

> After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another baby.

Honor is

> now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were dark days and

we don't want

> to go back there.

> I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a lovely

family.

> Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't

contaminated.

>

> But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass Down's

children on

> the street and think, 'I killed mine.'

> I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping the

reality of

> what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The hospital

took photos,

> but I have never seen them, and it feels too late to go back there

now.

> Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still cry as

though mine

> were yesterday.

> And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision.

>

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And they all said Amen. Having a child(ren) with DS or having it

yourself is not the end of the world. I, for one, am happy to have

each of my five children. I will gladly accept any other children

that God sends my way. :0)))))

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> > [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Article: Abortion is never

an

> easy option: Why I aborted my first child

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > What a terrible and sickening article!

> >

> >

> > She even admits that she killed her baby - " I

> > pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.' " ,

> but still says, " I remain certain that, for us, it was the right

> decision. "

> > www.dailymail. co.uk/pages/ you/article. html?in_article_

> id=513058 & in_ page_id=1908' Abortion is never an easy option: Why

I

> aborted my first

> > child'by KATHERINE MOBEY

> >

> > YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a

> supermarket

> > chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager for a

> recruitment

> > company. Six years ago, they aborted their first child after it

> was diagnosed

> > with Down's - a traumatic decision that took their marriage to

> breaking point.

> > Here, tells their story...

> > Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line appears

> on the

> > pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating a

whole

> new future.

> >

> > Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I

> discovered I

> > was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went out and

> bought three

> > more tests - just to be sure.

> > The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby and

> all appeared

> > to be well. When we were offered the chance of another more

> detailed scan, we

> > saw it as a bonus. There was no family history of complications,

> but it seemed

> > wise to take every precaution.

> > The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures the

> nuchal folds

> > at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's syndrome -

> was to be

> > carried out at King's College Hospital in South London, and has

to

> be done

> > before you are 14 weeks pregnant.

> > My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes and

I

> made it

> > just before the deadline.

> > The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously experienced.

I

> trusted her

> > completely. But when she became quiet for a few moments, I knew

> instantly that

> > something was wrong. She explained that my baby had exomphalos -

a

> rare

> > condition in which part of the intestine grows outside the body.

> > It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said,

but

> it could

> > be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding my hand.

We

> were both in

> > shock and I was crying. Four or five doctors poured into the

room

> to look at the

> > screen. I had become an exhibit.

> > A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk that

> my baby had

> > Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need a

> chorionic villus

> > sampling (CVS) test.

> > This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can

accurately

> detect

> > Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We agreed to have it

> done there and

> > then. By the time we left the hospital, it was early evening.

> > As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had been

> such a

> > shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my relationship

> with my baby had

> > changed.

> > Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside her

to

> be perfect

> > - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision.

> > Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the CVS

> results to

> > come through. In the three years we had known each other, we had

> been so happy.

> > Now, for the first time, a black cloud was hanging over us.

> > It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she

told

> me it was

> > bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously affected by

Down's

> as well as the

> > intestinal complications.

> > We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what medical

> treatment it

> > would need, but we did know that we would not be able to cope

with

> a severely

> > disabled child.

> > Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion.

Neil

> stayed

> > strong and made all the necessary arrangements.

> > I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the

> abortion

> > procedure.

> > The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at almost

16

> weeks

> > pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical

> termination and would

> > have to go through an induced labour.

> > The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy

hormones

> and stop

> > the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a couple of

days

> later for the

> > abortion itself.

> > Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now

> replaced by the

> > Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was put into the

> side room of a

> > maternity ward.

> > I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of

> healthy babies

> > being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on

contractions

> and I was

> > moved into a delivery room.

> > Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I

had

> gas and

> > air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the labour

> would take up to

> > 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The midwife had asked

me

> at the outset

> > whether I would want to see the baby when it was born.

> > My reaction had been, " Oh God, no. "

> > I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby.

> > But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that had

> been inside

> > me. I never even found out the sex, although I have always

thought

> of it as a

> > girl. In the years since, I have struggled hugely with the way I

> rejected my

> > baby. I know it was a dreadfully unmotherly thing to do.

> > At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his way

> back, Neil

> > saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue down the

> corridor –

> > presumably to the incinerator. He often talks about that moment

> and it is

> > extremely painful for him.

> > Afterwards – and I know this will sound bizarre – we were

elated.

> Mum and

> > Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded over me. For

> Mum, it had meant

> > losing a grandchild, but she was totally supportive of our

> decision – her

> > priority throughout was me.

> > When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet on

> miscarriage

> > – a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone.

> > Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever

> criticised me -

> > but it was hard for many people to understand fully what we had

> been through.

> >

> > I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't

> concentrate and kept

> > breaking down in meetings.

> > My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and

> King's College

> > Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her on and off

> for two years,

> > and without her I don't think I would be where I am today.

> > There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with.

> > First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and

> overwhelming.

> > Second, I was battling with a massive sense of failure - I am

the

> third of four

> > children, my elder brother and sister each had two healthy

> children, and my

> > younger sister Pippa had just announced she was pregnant.

> > I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had become

> the catalyst

> > for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions.

> > My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well, but

> not as well

> > as them.

> > And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom I

> was at

> > school, had ended disastrously after a year.

> > I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get

having

> a baby

> > right the first time round.

> > My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had

> been

> > contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb.

> > I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking

back,

> it was too

> > soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but no one was

> taking care of

> > him.

> > He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for

> another baby,

> > and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our daughter Honor.

> > The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but

> that didn't

> > stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by the

> baby " project " .

> > When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe my 'contaminated'

> body had

> > produced a healthy baby.

> > I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably

> overprotective,

> > and Neil ended up feeling abandoned.

> > On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents, but

> underneath

> > there was a build-up of problems that we weren't addressing.

> > Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we

had

> been

> > through.

> > I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and

> family; Neil

> > had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available for him.

> > When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break. It

> was a

> > terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to acknowledge how

> troubled things

> > were between us.

> > More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us to

do

> that. I

> > listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside Neil,

> just as it did in

> > me.

> > A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were

> determined to make

> > it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but I no longer

> assume anything.

> > I've learnt there are no guarantees.

> > After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another

baby.

> Honor is

> > now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were dark days

and

> we don't want

> > to go back there.

> > I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a lovely

> family.

> > Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't

> contaminated.

> >

> > But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass

Down's

> children on

> > the street and think, 'I killed mine.'

> > I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping the

> reality of

> > what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The hospital

> took photos,

> > but I have never seen them, and it feels too late to go back

there

> now.

> > Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still cry

as

> though mine

> > were yesterday.

> > And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right

decision.

> >

> >

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Your statement below, , reminds me of something I read sometime ago. It's a joke, but it's the diagnosis of "Normal Syndrome".

NORMAL SYNDROME How to give parents a pre-natal diagnosis: I'm very sorry, I have the results of the genetic tests and they have confirmed our suspicions that your fetus is what we call ... Normal. Some people prefer the terms "Ordinarily Challenged" or "Normal Syndrome". The syndrome can be easily identified by a complete lack of any interesting genetic characteristics. I know this will come as a shock to you, but you should be aware of what this is likely to mean. If your fetus manages to survive the rest of the pregnancy and the birth, which is becoming more common these days, he or she will face some daunting challenges. Children who suffer from normalcy are prone to health and psychological problems. It is almost certain that the growing child will suffer a seemingly endless stream of viruses. They will frequently damage themselves, and sometimes others, from their excessive energy. Their relentless demands will put a strain on your existing family and, of course, your relationship with your partner will suffer, and possibly end in a painful and acrimonious separation. Any children you already have, even if they also suffer from normalcy, will be jealous of the newcomer and all their extra attention. Many siblings are liable to be psychologically scarred by the new arrival. I need hardly mention the financial consequences, although disastrous, they will be nothing compared to the emotional turmoil your life will suffer. After a while, you may be lucky and find they can be kind and loving young children. They may find some temporary happiness in things such as music, dancing, food or playing with toys. But if they survive early childhood, a Normal child is almost certain to grow into a Normal adolescent. Your years of sacrifice will be thrown back in your face as they become disobedient, wild and reckless. Unable to find happiness and contentment, they will treat you with contempt until they manage to leave home. Even then the suffering will continue as they will often return to try and extract money. They will blame you for their own faults and leave you bitter and twisted. They may well become criminals, over a quarter of Normals will have trouble with the law, many will spend time in jail. Many will have problems with alcohol or drug abuse. Normal marriages are often unhappy and short and over half end in divorce. Even if they become successful this is likely to be because of the often observed tendency of Normals towards excessive greed. The chances of them sharing their success with you are remote and they will tend to see you as an embarrasment. Finally, Normal people are likely to die before their time. 23% will die of cancer, 33% of heart disease. Hundreds every year in this country alone are so distressed by their condition that they take their own life. I'm sorry to say that many will have had a lonely, painful and pointless existence. I am afraid that Normal Syndrome is a genetic condition that affects every cell of the body, and so is impossible to cure.

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Article: Abortion is never an easy option: Why I aborted my first child> > > > > > What a terrible and sickening article! > > > She even admits that she killed her baby - "I > pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.'", but still says, "I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision."> www.dailymail. co.uk/pages/ you/article. html?in_article_ id=513058 & in_page_id=1908'Abortion is never an easy option: Why I aborted my first > child'by KATHERINE MOBEY > > YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a supermarket > chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager for a recruitment > company. Six years ago, they aborted their first child after it was diagnosed > with Down's - a traumatic decision that took their marriage to breaking point. > Here, tells their story... > Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line appears on the > pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating a whole new future. > > Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I discovered I > was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went out and bought three > more tests - just to be sure. > The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby and all appeared > to be well. When we were offered the chance of another more detailed scan, we > saw it as a bonus. There was no family history of complications, but it seemed > wise to take every precaution. > The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures the nuchal folds > at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's syndrome - was to be > carried out at King's College Hospital in South London, and has to be done > before you are 14 weeks pregnant. > My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes and I made it > just before the deadline. > The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously experienced. I trusted her > completely. But when she became quiet for a few moments, I knew instantly that > something was wrong. She explained that my baby had exomphalos - a rare > condition in which part of the intestine grows outside the body. > It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said, but it could > be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding my hand. We were both in > shock and I was crying. Four or five doctors poured into the room to look at the > screen. I had become an exhibit. > A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk that my baby had > Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need a chorionic villus > sampling (CVS) test. > This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can accurately detect > Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We agreed to have it done there and > then. By the time we left the hospital, it was early evening. > As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had been such a > shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my relationship with my baby had > changed. > Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside her to be perfect > - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision. > Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the CVS results to > come through. In the three years we had known each other, we had been so happy. > Now, for the first time, a black cloud was hanging over us. > It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she told me it was > bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously affected by Down's as well as the > intestinal complications. > We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what medical treatment it > would need, but we did know that we would not be able to cope with a severely > disabled child. > Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion. Neil stayed > strong and made all the necessary arrangements. > I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the abortion > procedure. > The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at almost 16 weeks > pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical termination and would > have to go through an induced labour. > The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy hormones and stop > the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a couple of days later for the > abortion itself. > Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now replaced by the > Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was put into the side room of a > maternity ward. > I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of healthy babies > being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on contractions and I was > moved into a delivery room. > Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I had gas and > air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the labour would take up to > 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The midwife had asked me at the outset > whether I would want to see the baby when it was born. > My reaction had been, "Oh God, no." > I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby. > But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that had been inside > me. I never even found out the sex, although I have always thought of it as a > girl. In the years since, I have struggled hugely with the way I rejected my > baby. I know it was a dreadfully unmotherly thing to do. > At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his way back, Neil > saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue down the corridor – > presumably to the incinerator. He often talks about that moment and it is > extremely painful for him. > Afterwards – and I know this will sound bizarre – we were elated. Mum and > Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded over me. For Mum, it had meant > losing a grandchild, but she was totally supportive of our decision – her > priority throughout was me. > When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet on miscarriage > – a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone. > Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever criticised me - > but it was hard for many people to understand fully what we had been through. > > I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't concentrate and kept > breaking down in meetings. > My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and King's College > Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her on and off for two years, > and without her I don't think I would be where I am today. > There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with. > First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and overwhelming. > Second, I was battling with a massive sense of failure - I am the third of four > children, my elder brother and sister each had two healthy children, and my > younger sister Pippa had just announced she was pregnant. > I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had become the catalyst > for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions. > My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well, but not as well > as them. > And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom I was at > school, had ended disastrously after a year. > I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get having a baby > right the first time round. > My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had been > contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb. > I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking back, it was too > soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but no one was taking care of > him. > He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for another baby, > and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our daughter Honor. > The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but that didn't > stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by the baby "project". > When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe my 'contaminated' body had > produced a healthy baby. > I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably overprotective, > and Neil ended up feeling abandoned. > On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents, but underneath > there was a build-up of problems that we weren't addressing. > Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we had been > through. > I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and family; Neil > had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available for him. > When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break. It was a > terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to acknowledge how troubled things > were between us. > More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us to do that. I > listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside Neil, just as it did in > me. > A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were determined to make > it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but I no longer assume anything. > I've learnt there are no guarantees. > After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another baby. Honor is > now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were dark days and we don't want > to go back there. > I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a lovely family. > Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't contaminated. > > But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass Down's children on > the street and think, 'I killed mine.' > I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping the reality of > what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The hospital took photos, > but I have never seen them, and it feels too late to go back there now. > Abortion can never be described as an easy option. 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ROTFLMAO!! I am sending this right now to our geneticist. i am not

sure what I said that reminded you of this, but I am laughing so

hard that I am crying. :0))

That is too funny. i have heard of the Einstein Syndrome, but not

the Normal Syndrome. I " HAVE " to send this to everyone I know.

Thanks,

You turned a bad day into a joyful experience at the end of the day.

<Still laughing>.

> >

> > http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?

> lang=E & Id=81263 & Option=FatwaId

> >

> > Article: Abortion is never

an

> easy option: Why I aborted my first child

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > What a terrible and sickening article!

> >

> >

> > She even admits that she killed her baby - " I

> > pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed

mine.' " ,

> but still says, " I remain certain that, for us, it was the right

> decision. "

> > www.dailymail. co.uk/pages/ you/article. html?in_article_

> id=513058 & in_page_id=1908'Abortion is never an easy option: Why

I

> aborted my first

> > child'by KATHERINE MOBEY

> >

> > YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a

> supermarket

> > chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager for a

> recruitment

> > company. Six years ago, they aborted their first child after

it

> was diagnosed

> > with Down's - a traumatic decision that took their marriage to

> breaking point.

> > Here, tells their story...

> > Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line

appears

> on the

> > pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating a

whole

> new future.

> >

> > Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I

> discovered I

> > was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went out

and

> bought three

> > more tests - just to be sure.

> > The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby

and

> all appeared

> > to be well. When we were offered the chance of another more

> detailed scan, we

> > saw it as a bonus. There was no family history of

complications,

> but it seemed

> > wise to take every precaution.

> > The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures

the

> nuchal folds

> > at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's syndrome -

> was to be

> > carried out at King's College Hospital in South London, and

has to

> be done

> > before you are 14 weeks pregnant.

> > My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes

and I

> made it

> > just before the deadline.

> > The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously

experienced. I

> trusted her

> > completely. But when she became quiet for a few moments, I

knew

> instantly that

> > something was wrong. She explained that my baby had

exomphalos - a

> rare

> > condition in which part of the intestine grows outside the

body.

> > It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said,

but

> it could

> > be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding my hand.

We

> were both in

> > shock and I was crying. Four or five doctors poured into the

room

> to look at the

> > screen. I had become an exhibit.

> > A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk

that

> my baby had

> > Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need a

> chorionic villus

> > sampling (CVS) test.

> > This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can

accurately

> detect

> > Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We agreed to have

it

> done there and

> > then. By the time we left the hospital, it was early evening.

> > As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had

been

> such a

> > shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my

relationship

> with my baby had

> > changed.

> > Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside

her to

> be perfect

> > - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision.

> > Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the

CVS

> results to

> > come through. In the three years we had known each other, we

had

> been so happy.

> > Now, for the first time, a black cloud was hanging over us.

> > It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she

told

> me it was

> > bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously affected by

Down's

> as well as the

> > intestinal complications.

> > We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what

medical

> treatment it

> > would need, but we did know that we would not be able to cope

with

> a severely

> > disabled child.

> > Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion.

Neil

> stayed

> > strong and made all the necessary arrangements.

> > I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the

> abortion

> > procedure.

> > The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at

almost 16

> weeks

> > pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical

> termination and would

> > have to go through an induced labour.

> > The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy

hormones

> and stop

> > the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a couple of

days

> later for the

> > abortion itself.

> > Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now

> replaced by the

> > Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was put into

the

> side room of a

> > maternity ward.

> > I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of

> healthy babies

> > being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on

contractions

> and I was

> > moved into a delivery room.

> > Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I

had

> gas and

> > air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the labour

> would take up to

> > 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The midwife had asked

me

> at the outset

> > whether I would want to see the baby when it was born.

> > My reaction had been, " Oh God, no. "

> > I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby.

> > But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that

had

> been inside

> > me. I never even found out the sex, although I have always

thought

> of it as a

> > girl. In the years since, I have struggled hugely with the way

I

> rejected my

> > baby. I know it was a dreadfully unmotherly thing to do.

> > At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his

way

> back, Neil

> > saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue down

the

> corridor -

> > presumably to the incinerator. He often talks about that

moment

> and it is

> > extremely painful for him.

> > Afterwards - and I know this will sound bizarre - we were

elated.

> Mum and

> > Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded over me. For

> Mum, it had meant

> > losing a grandchild, but she was totally supportive of our

> decision - her

> > priority throughout was me.

> > When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet

on

> miscarriage

> > - a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone.

> > Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever

> criticised me -

> > but it was hard for many people to understand fully what we

had

> been through.

> >

> > I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't

> concentrate and kept

> > breaking down in meetings.

> > My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and

> King's College

> > Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her on and

off

> for two years,

> > and without her I don't think I would be where I am today.

> > There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with.

> > First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and

> overwhelming.

> > Second, I was battling with a massive sense of failure - I am

the

> third of four

> > children, my elder brother and sister each had two healthy

> children, and my

> > younger sister Pippa had just announced she was pregnant.

> > I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had

become

> the catalyst

> > for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions.

> > My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well,

but

> not as well

> > as them.

> > And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom

I

> was at

> > school, had ended disastrously after a year.

> > I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get

having

> a baby

> > right the first time round.

> > My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had

> been

> > contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb.

> > I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking

back,

> it was too

> > soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but no one was

> taking care of

> > him.

> > He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for

> another baby,

> > and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our daughter

Honor.

> > The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but

> that didn't

> > stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by the

> baby " project " .

> > When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe

my 'contaminated'

> body had

> > produced a healthy baby.

> > I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably

> overprotective,

> > and Neil ended up feeling abandoned.

> > On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents,

but

> underneath

> > there was a build-up of problems that we weren't addressing.

> > Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we

had

> been

> > through.

> > I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and

> family; Neil

> > had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available for

him.

> > When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break.

It

> was a

> > terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to acknowledge

how

> troubled things

> > were between us.

> > More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us

to do

> that. I

> > listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside Neil,

> just as it did in

> > me.

> > A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were

> determined to make

> > it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but I no longer

> assume anything.

> > I've learnt there are no guarantees.

> > After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another

baby.

> Honor is

> > now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were dark days

and

> we don't want

> > to go back there.

> > I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a

lovely

> family.

> > Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't

> contaminated.

> >

> > But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass

Down's

> children on

> > the street and think, 'I killed mine.'

> > I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping

the

> reality of

> > what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The

hospital

> took photos,

> > but I have never seen them, and it feels too late to go back

there

> now.

> > Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still cry

as

> though mine

> > were yesterday.

> > And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right

decision.

> >

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I am confused. The rest of which children ‘had Down syndrome

prior to birth”?

KathyR

From:

Down Syndrome Treatment

[mailto:Down Syndrome Treatment ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:47 AM

Down Syndrome Treatment

Subject: Re: Article: Abortion is never an

easy option: Why I aborted my first child

Well, you can never " replace " the baby that is gone. (NEVER).

As it turns out for us, Down Syndrome is a dominant inherited trait

(so says the geneticist) and it is mosaicism!!! (yes, this is new

information. We are in the process of getting him the pedigrees in

order to " get it in writing " .)

I am GLAD " I " am here and " each of my children " are here. I

would

not trade them for anything. I am so very glad (because I now have

more detailed knowledge) that no one determined (with faulty

information at that) that the rest of children had Down Syndrome

prior to birth. This crap that all children/people with Down

Syndrome are mentally retarded is CRAP! There are people with and

without DS who have issues, whether it be mental, emotional,

behavioral, physical. i am proud to have all of my children and

saddened that I fell into the doctors realm of misinformation. I

would have 5 more (for a total of ten) if God sends them my way. Who

knows what the future holds? And I know our risk is 100%!! Point is

I do not see it as a risk at all. too bad the people in my family do

not believe the same way as I do. They still view my son the same

way the doctors did and they have not spent any length of

substantial time with him (or us) in nearly 5 years. How sad!

Food for thought>>>Ultrasound does not determine severe emotional or

severe behavioral problems. I would much rather have a child with DS

than one with unforeseen problems. At least, we have the knowledge

to know what to look for and stay on top of! These poor mothers who

have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what they are facing is scarey!!

The quest for the " perfect baby " (Mozart's. Beethoven's, ballet

dancers, and so forth) through genetic selection is extremely

scarey. By dismissing genes that are " faulty or bad " (according to

some), you are opening yourself up for a whole new line of cancers

and other bad genes. As I have always said, " The intelligence of

disabilities needs to be recognized and appreciated. Without the

genuine acceptance of all DNA, we as humans will become a dying

race, " A Girl Named Suess. (reference:

http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?isbn=0-595-37775-0

>

> http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?

lang=E & Id=81263 & Option=FatwaId

>

> Article: Abortion is never an

easy option: Why I aborted my first child

>

>

>

>

>

> What a terrible and sickening article!

>

>

> She even admits that she killed her baby - " I

> pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.' " ,

but still says, " I remain certain that, for us, it was the right

decision. "

> www.dailymail. co.uk/pages/ you/article. html?in_article_

id=513058 & in_page_id=1908'Abortion is never an easy option: Why I

aborted my first

> child'by KATHERINE MOBEY

>

> YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a

supermarket

> chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager for a

recruitment

> company. Six years ago, they aborted their first child after it

was diagnosed

> with Down's - a traumatic decision that took their marriage to

breaking point.

> Here, tells their story...

> Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line appears

on the

> pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating a whole

new future.

>

> Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I

discovered I

> was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went out and

bought three

> more tests - just to be sure.

> The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby and

all appeared

> to be well. When we were offered the chance of another more

detailed scan, we

> saw it as a bonus. There was no family history of complications,

but it seemed

> wise to take every precaution.

> The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures the

nuchal folds

> at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's syndrome -

was to be

> carried out at King's College Hospital in South London, and has to

be done

> before you are 14 weeks pregnant.

> My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes and I

made it

> just before the deadline.

> The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously experienced. I

trusted her

> completely. But when she became quiet for a few moments, I knew

instantly that

> something was wrong. She explained that my baby had exomphalos - a

rare

> condition in which part of the intestine grows outside the body.

> It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said, but

it could

> be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding my hand. We

were both in

> shock and I was crying. Four or five doctors poured into the room

to look at the

> screen. I had become an exhibit.

> A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk that

my baby had

> Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need a

chorionic villus

> sampling (CVS) test.

> This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can accurately

detect

> Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We agreed to have it

done there and

> then. By the time we left the hospital, it was early evening.

> As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had been

such a

> shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my relationship

with my baby had

> changed.

> Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside her to

be perfect

> - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision.

> Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the CVS

results to

> come through. In the three years we had known each other, we had

been so happy.

> Now, for the first time, a black cloud was hanging over us.

> It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she told

me it was

> bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously affected by Down's

as well as the

> intestinal complications.

> We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what medical

treatment it

> would need, but we did know that we would not be able to cope with

a severely

> disabled child.

> Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion. Neil

stayed

> strong and made all the necessary arrangements.

> I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the

abortion

> procedure.

> The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at almost 16

weeks

> pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical

termination and would

> have to go through an induced labour.

> The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy hormones

and stop

> the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a couple of days

later for the

> abortion itself.

> Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now

replaced by the

> Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was put into the

side room of a

> maternity ward.

> I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of

healthy babies

> being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on contractions

and I was

> moved into a delivery room.

> Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I had

gas and

> air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the labour

would take up to

> 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The midwife had asked me

at the outset

> whether I would want to see the baby when it was born.

> My reaction had been, " Oh God, no. "

> I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby.

> But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that had

been inside

> me. I never even found out the sex, although I have always thought

of it as a

> girl. In the years since, I have struggled hugely with the way I

rejected my

> baby. I know it was a dreadfully unmotherly thing to do.

> At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his way

back, Neil

> saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue down the

corridor –

> presumably to the incinerator. He often talks about that moment

and it is

> extremely painful for him.

> Afterwards – and I know this will sound bizarre – we were elated.

Mum and

> Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded over me. For

Mum, it had meant

> losing a grandchild, but she was totally supportive of our

decision – her

> priority throughout was me.

> When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet on

miscarriage

> – a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone.

> Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever

criticised me -

> but it was hard for many people to understand fully what we had

been through.

>

> I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't

concentrate and kept

> breaking down in meetings.

> My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and

King's College

> Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her on and off

for two years,

> and without her I don't think I would be where I am today.

> There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with.

> First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and

overwhelming.

> Second, I was battling with a massive sense of failure - I am the

third of four

> children, my elder brother and sister each had two healthy

children, and my

> younger sister Pippa had just announced she was pregnant.

> I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had become

the catalyst

> for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions.

> My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well, but

not as well

> as them.

> And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom I

was at

> school, had ended disastrously after a year.

> I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get having

a baby

> right the first time round.

> My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had

been

> contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb.

> I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking back,

it was too

> soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but no one was

taking care of

> him.

> He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for

another baby,

> and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our daughter Honor.

> The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but

that didn't

> stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by the

baby " project " .

> When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe my 'contaminated'

body had

> produced a healthy baby.

> I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably

overprotective,

> and Neil ended up feeling abandoned.

> On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents, but

underneath

> there was a build-up of problems that we weren't addressing.

> Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we had

been

> through.

> I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and

family; Neil

> had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available for him.

> When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break. It

was a

> terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to acknowledge how

troubled things

> were between us.

> More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us to do

that. I

> listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside Neil,

just as it did in

> me.

> A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were

determined to make

> it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but I no longer

assume anything.

> I've learnt there are no guarantees.

> After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another baby.

Honor is

> now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were dark days and

we don't want

> to go back there.

> I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a lovely

family.

> Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't

contaminated.

>

> But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass Down's

children on

> the street and think, 'I killed mine.'

> I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping the

reality of

> what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The hospital

took photos,

> but I have never seen them, and it feels too late to go back there

now.

> Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still cry as

though mine

> were yesterday.

> And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision.

>

>

>

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Sorry, left out the word " my " . I know, you have a lot of questions,

and I am still providing the pedigrees to my genetcist 9our

geneticist). As it turns out, he believes that MDS in " our " family

is a dominant trait. Apparently, we are mildly affected, if at all

(to the average observer). there is much more to unravel here in

this story....like does my husband also have the trait? (unsure as

of yet). My girls have a stronger phenotype and so far an unfound

genotype (must be in the tissues?). The boys have less phenotypical

characteristics (and we are still awaiting the 1,000 cell blood

count on my newbie).

Before anyone bombards me, this will be the first time in HISTORY

(that I know of) that MDS has been found to be an inherited dominant

trait. I " will " keep everyone posted as this unravels. I promise, as

we are very excited. :0)

> >

> > http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?

> lang=E & Id=81263 & Option=FatwaId

> >

> > Article: Abortion is never

an

> easy option: Why I aborted my first child

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > What a terrible and sickening article!

> >

> >

> > She even admits that she killed her baby - " I

> > pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.' " ,

> but still says, " I remain certain that, for us, it was the right

> decision. "

> > www.dailymail. co.uk/pages/ you/article. html?in_article_

> id=513058 & in_page_id=1908'Abortion is never an easy option: Why I

> aborted my first

> > child'by KATHERINE MOBEY

> >

> > YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a

> supermarket

> > chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager for a

> recruitment

> > company. Six years ago, they aborted their first child after it

> was diagnosed

> > with Down's - a traumatic decision that took their marriage to

> breaking point.

> > Here, tells their story...

> > Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line appears

> on the

> > pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating a

whole

> new future.

> >

> > Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I

> discovered I

> > was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went out and

> bought three

> > more tests - just to be sure.

> > The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby and

> all appeared

> > to be well. When we were offered the chance of another more

> detailed scan, we

> > saw it as a bonus. There was no family history of complications,

> but it seemed

> > wise to take every precaution.

> > The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures the

> nuchal folds

> > at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's syndrome -

> was to be

> > carried out at King's College Hospital in South London, and has

to

> be done

> > before you are 14 weeks pregnant.

> > My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes and

I

> made it

> > just before the deadline.

> > The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously experienced.

I

> trusted her

> > completely. But when she became quiet for a few moments, I knew

> instantly that

> > something was wrong. She explained that my baby had exomphalos -

a

> rare

> > condition in which part of the intestine grows outside the body.

> > It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said,

but

> it could

> > be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding my hand.

We

> were both in

> > shock and I was crying. Four or five doctors poured into the

room

> to look at the

> > screen. I had become an exhibit.

> > A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk that

> my baby had

> > Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need a

> chorionic villus

> > sampling (CVS) test.

> > This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can

accurately

> detect

> > Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We agreed to have it

> done there and

> > then. By the time we left the hospital, it was early evening.

> > As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had been

> such a

> > shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my relationship

> with my baby had

> > changed.

> > Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside her

to

> be perfect

> > - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision.

> > Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the CVS

> results to

> > come through. In the three years we had known each other, we had

> been so happy.

> > Now, for the first time, a black cloud was hanging over us.

> > It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she

told

> me it was

> > bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously affected by

Down's

> as well as the

> > intestinal complications.

> > We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what medical

> treatment it

> > would need, but we did know that we would not be able to cope

with

> a severely

> > disabled child.

> > Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion.

Neil

> stayed

> > strong and made all the necessary arrangements.

> > I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the

> abortion

> > procedure.

> > The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at almost

16

> weeks

> > pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical

> termination and would

> > have to go through an induced labour.

> > The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy

hormones

> and stop

> > the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a couple of

days

> later for the

> > abortion itself.

> > Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now

> replaced by the

> > Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was put into the

> side room of a

> > maternity ward.

> > I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of

> healthy babies

> > being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on

contractions

> and I was

> > moved into a delivery room.

> > Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I

had

> gas and

> > air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the labour

> would take up to

> > 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The midwife had asked

me

> at the outset

> > whether I would want to see the baby when it was born.

> > My reaction had been, " Oh God, no. "

> > I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby.

> > But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that had

> been inside

> > me. I never even found out the sex, although I have always

thought

> of it as a

> > girl. In the years since, I have struggled hugely with the way I

> rejected my

> > baby. I know it was a dreadfully unmotherly thing to do.

> > At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his way

> back, Neil

> > saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue down the

> corridor -

> > presumably to the incinerator. He often talks about that moment

> and it is

> > extremely painful for him.

> > Afterwards - and I know this will sound bizarre - we were

elated.

> Mum and

> > Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded over me. For

> Mum, it had meant

> > losing a grandchild, but she was totally supportive of our

> decision - her

> > priority throughout was me.

> > When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet on

> miscarriage

> > - a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone.

> > Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever

> criticised me -

> > but it was hard for many people to understand fully what we had

> been through.

> >

> > I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't

> concentrate and kept

> > breaking down in meetings.

> > My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and

> King's College

> > Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her on and off

> for two years,

> > and without her I don't think I would be where I am today.

> > There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with.

> > First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and

> overwhelming.

> > Second, I was battling with a massive sense of failure - I am

the

> third of four

> > children, my elder brother and sister each had two healthy

> children, and my

> > younger sister Pippa had just announced she was pregnant.

> > I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had become

> the catalyst

> > for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions.

> > My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well, but

> not as well

> > as them.

> > And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom I

> was at

> > school, had ended disastrously after a year.

> > I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get

having

> a baby

> > right the first time round.

> > My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had

> been

> > contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb.

> > I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking

back,

> it was too

> > soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but no one was

> taking care of

> > him.

> > He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for

> another baby,

> > and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our daughter Honor.

> > The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but

> that didn't

> > stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by the

> baby " project " .

> > When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe my 'contaminated'

> body had

> > produced a healthy baby.

> > I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably

> overprotective,

> > and Neil ended up feeling abandoned.

> > On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents, but

> underneath

> > there was a build-up of problems that we weren't addressing.

> > Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we

had

> been

> > through.

> > I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and

> family; Neil

> > had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available for him.

> > When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break. It

> was a

> > terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to acknowledge how

> troubled things

> > were between us.

> > More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us to

do

> that. I

> > listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside Neil,

> just as it did in

> > me.

> > A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were

> determined to make

> > it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but I no longer

> assume anything.

> > I've learnt there are no guarantees.

> > After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another

baby.

> Honor is

> > now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were dark days

and

> we don't want

> > to go back there.

> > I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a lovely

> family.

> > Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't

> contaminated.

> >

> > But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass

Down's

> children on

> > the street and think, 'I killed mine.'

> > I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping the

> reality of

> > what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The hospital

> took photos,

> > but I have never seen them, and it feels too late to go back

there

> now.

> > Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still cry

as

> though mine

> > were yesterday.

> > And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right

decision.

> >

> >

> >

>

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That is very interesting ;). Genetics are so fascinating!

So, if I am understanding right, are they thinking your whole family has MDS? Or, just phenotypically?

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Article: Abortion is never an > easy option: Why I aborted my first child> > > > > > > > > > > > What a terrible and sickening article! > > > > > > She even admits that she killed her baby - "I > > pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.'", > but still says, "I remain certain that, for us, it was the right > decision."> > www.dailymail. co.uk/pages/ you/article. html?in_article_ > id=513058 & in_page_id=1908'Abortion is never an easy option: Why I > aborted my first > > child'by KATHERINE MOBEY > > > > YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a > supermarket > > chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager for a > recruitment > > company. Six years ago, they aborted their first child after it > was diagnosed > > with Down's - a traumatic decision that took their marriage to > breaking point. > > Here, tells their story... > > Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line appears > on the > > pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating a whole > new future. > > > > Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I > discovered I > > was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went out and > bought three > > more tests - just to be sure. > > The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby and > all appeared > > to be well. When we were offered the chance of another more > detailed scan, we > > saw it as a bonus. There was no family history of complications, > but it seemed > > wise to take every precaution. > > The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures the > nuchal folds > > at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's syndrome - > was to be > > carried out at King's College Hospital in South London, and has to > be done > > before you are 14 weeks pregnant. > > My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes and I > made it > > just before the deadline. > > The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously experienced. I > trusted her > > completely. But when she became quiet for a few moments, I knew > instantly that > > something was wrong. She explained that my baby had exomphalos - a > rare > > condition in which part of the intestine grows outside the body. > > It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said, but > it could > > be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding my hand. We > were both in > > shock and I was crying. Four or five doctors poured into the room > to look at the > > screen. I had become an exhibit. > > A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk that > my baby had > > Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need a > chorionic villus > > sampling (CVS) test. > > This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can accurately > detect > > Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We agreed to have it > done there and > > then. By the time we left the hospital, it was early evening. > > As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had been > such a > > shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my relationship > with my baby had > > changed. > > Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside her to > be perfect > > - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision. > > Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the CVS > results to > > come through. In the three years we had known each other, we had > been so happy. > > Now, for the first time, a black cloud was hanging over us. > > It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she told > me it was > > bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously affected by Down's > as well as the > > intestinal complications. > > We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what medical > treatment it > > would need, but we did know that we would not be able to cope with > a severely > > disabled child. > > Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion. Neil > stayed > > strong and made all the necessary arrangements. > > I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the > abortion > > procedure. > > The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at almost 16 > weeks > > pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical > termination and would > > have to go through an induced labour. > > The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy hormones > and stop > > the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a couple of days > later for the > > abortion itself. > > Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now > replaced by the > > Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was put into the > side room of a > > maternity ward. > > I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of > healthy babies > > being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on contractions > and I was > > moved into a delivery room. > > Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I had > gas and > > air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the labour > would take up to > > 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The midwife had asked me > at the outset > > whether I would want to see the baby when it was born. > > My reaction had been, "Oh God, no." > > I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby. > > But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that had > been inside > > me. I never even found out the sex, although I have always thought > of it as a > > girl. In the years since, I have struggled hugely with the way I > rejected my > > baby. I know it was a dreadfully unmotherly thing to do. > > At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his way > back, Neil > > saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue down the > corridor - > > presumably to the incinerator. He often talks about that moment > and it is > > extremely painful for him. > > Afterwards - and I know this will sound bizarre - we were elated. > Mum and > > Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded over me. For > Mum, it had meant > > losing a grandchild, but she was totally supportive of our > decision - her > > priority throughout was me. > > When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet on > miscarriage > > - a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone. > > Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever > criticised me - > > but it was hard for many people to understand fully what we had > been through. > > > > I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't > concentrate and kept > > breaking down in meetings. > > My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and > King's College > > Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her on and off > for two years, > > and without her I don't think I would be where I am today. > > There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with. > > First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and > overwhelming. > > Second, I was battling with a massive sense of failure - I am the > third of four > > children, my elder brother and sister each had two healthy > children, and my > > younger sister Pippa had just announced she was pregnant. > > I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had become > the catalyst > > for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions. > > My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well, but > not as well > > as them. > > And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom I > was at > > school, had ended disastrously after a year. > > I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get having > a baby > > right the first time round. > > My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had > been > > contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb. > > I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking back, > it was too > > soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but no one was > taking care of > > him. > > He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for > another baby, > > and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our daughter Honor. > > The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but > that didn't > > stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by the > baby "project". > > When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe my 'contaminated' > body had > > produced a healthy baby. > > I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably > overprotective, > > and Neil ended up feeling abandoned. > > On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents, but > underneath > > there was a build-up of problems that we weren't addressing. > > Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we had > been > > through. > > I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and > family; Neil > > had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available for him. > > When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break. It > was a > > terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to acknowledge how > troubled things > > were between us. > > More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us to do > that. I > > listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside Neil, > just as it did in > > me. > > A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were > determined to make > > it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but I no longer > assume anything. > > I've learnt there are no guarantees. > > After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another baby. > Honor is > > now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were dark days and > we don't want > > to go back there. > > I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a lovely > family. > > Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't > contaminated. > > > > But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass Down's > children on > > the street and think, 'I killed mine.' > > I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping the > reality of > > what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The hospital > took photos, > > but I have never seen them, and it feels too late to go back there > now. > > Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still cry as > though mine > > were yesterday. > > And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right decision. > > > > > >>

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A person's phenotype comes from their genotype. You cannot express a

gene without having it. Phenotype is the expression of a gene and

genotype is the actual gene (in a nutshell).

And YES, that is what they are saying.

> > >

> > > http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?

> > lang=E & Id=81263 & Option=FatwaId

> > >

> > > Article: Abortion is

never

> an

> > easy option: Why I aborted my first child

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What a terrible and sickening article!

> > >

> > >

> > > She even admits that she killed her baby - " I

> > > pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed

mine.' " ,

> > but still says, " I remain certain that, for us, it was the

right

> > decision. "

> > > www.dailymail. co.uk/pages/ you/article. html?in_article_

> > id=513058 & in_page_id=1908'Abortion is never an easy option:

Why I

> > aborted my first

> > > child'by KATHERINE MOBEY

> > >

> > > YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a

> > supermarket

> > > chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager for

a

> > recruitment

> > > company. Six years ago, they aborted their first child after

it

> > was diagnosed

> > > with Down's - a traumatic decision that took their marriage

to

> > breaking point.

> > > Here, tells their story...

> > > Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line

appears

> > on the

> > > pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating a

> whole

> > new future.

> > >

> > > Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001,

I

> > discovered I

> > > was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went out

and

> > bought three

> > > more tests - just to be sure.

> > > The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby

and

> > all appeared

> > > to be well. When we were offered the chance of another more

> > detailed scan, we

> > > saw it as a bonus. There was no family history of

complications,

> > but it seemed

> > > wise to take every precaution.

> > > The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures

the

> > nuchal folds

> > > at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's

syndrome -

> > was to be

> > > carried out at King's College Hospital in South London, and

has

> to

> > be done

> > > before you are 14 weeks pregnant.

> > > My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes

and

> I

> > made it

> > > just before the deadline.

> > > The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously

experienced.

> I

> > trusted her

> > > completely. But when she became quiet for a few moments, I

knew

> > instantly that

> > > something was wrong. She explained that my baby had

exomphalos -

> a

> > rare

> > > condition in which part of the intestine grows outside the

body.

> > > It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she

said,

> but

> > it could

> > > be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding my

hand.

> We

> > were both in

> > > shock and I was crying. Four or five doctors poured into the

> room

> > to look at the

> > > screen. I had become an exhibit.

> > > A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk

that

> > my baby had

> > > Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need a

> > chorionic villus

> > > sampling (CVS) test.

> > > This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can

> accurately

> > detect

> > > Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We agreed to

have it

> > done there and

> > > then. By the time we left the hospital, it was early

evening.

> > > As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had

been

> > such a

> > > shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my

relationship

> > with my baby had

> > > changed.

> > > Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside

her

> to

> > be perfect

> > > - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision.

> > > Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the

CVS

> > results to

> > > come through. In the three years we had known each other, we

had

> > been so happy.

> > > Now, for the first time, a black cloud was hanging over us.

> > > It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she

> told

> > me it was

> > > bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously affected by

> Down's

> > as well as the

> > > intestinal complications.

> > > We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what

medical

> > treatment it

> > > would need, but we did know that we would not be able to

cope

> with

> > a severely

> > > disabled child.

> > > Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for

discussion.

> Neil

> > stayed

> > > strong and made all the necessary arrangements.

> > > I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the

> > abortion

> > > procedure.

> > > The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at

almost

> 16

> > weeks

> > > pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical

> > termination and would

> > > have to go through an induced labour.

> > > The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy

> hormones

> > and stop

> > > the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a couple of

> days

> > later for the

> > > abortion itself.

> > > Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital

(now

> > replaced by the

> > > Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was put into

the

> > side room of a

> > > maternity ward.

> > > I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware

of

> > healthy babies

> > > being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on

> contractions

> > and I was

> > > moved into a delivery room.

> > > Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and

I

> had

> > gas and

> > > air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the

labour

> > would take up to

> > > 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The midwife had

asked

> me

> > at the outset

> > > whether I would want to see the baby when it was born.

> > > My reaction had been, " Oh God, no. "

> > > I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby.

> > > But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that

had

> > been inside

> > > me. I never even found out the sex, although I have always

> thought

> > of it as a

> > > girl. In the years since, I have struggled hugely with the

way I

> > rejected my

> > > baby. I know it was a dreadfully unmotherly thing to do.

> > > At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his

way

> > back, Neil

> > > saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue down

the

> > corridor -

> > > presumably to the incinerator. He often talks about that

moment

> > and it is

> > > extremely painful for him.

> > > Afterwards - and I know this will sound bizarre - we were

> elated.

> > Mum and

> > > Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded over me.

For

> > Mum, it had meant

> > > losing a grandchild, but she was totally supportive of our

> > decision - her

> > > priority throughout was me.

> > > When I left hospital the following day, I was given a

leaflet on

> > miscarriage

> > > - a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone.

> > > Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has

ever

> > criticised me -

> > > but it was hard for many people to understand fully what we

had

> > been through.

> > >

> > > I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't

> > concentrate and kept

> > > breaking down in meetings.

> > > My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily

and

> > King's College

> > > Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her on and

off

> > for two years,

> > > and without her I don't think I would be where I am today.

> > > There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal

with.

> > > First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and

> > overwhelming.

> > > Second, I was battling with a massive sense of failure - I

am

> the

> > third of four

> > > children, my elder brother and sister each had two healthy

> > children, and my

> > > younger sister Pippa had just announced she was pregnant.

> > > I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had

become

> > the catalyst

> > > for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions.

> > > My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well,

but

> > not as well

> > > as them.

> > > And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with

whom I

> > was at

> > > school, had ended disastrously after a year.

> > > I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get

> having

> > a baby

> > > right the first time round.

> > > My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body

had

> > been

> > > contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb.

> > > I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking

> back,

> > it was too

> > > soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but no one

was

> > taking care of

> > > him.

> > > He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for

> > another baby,

> > > and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our daughter

Honor.

> > > The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward,

but

> > that didn't

> > > stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by the

> > baby " project " .

> > > When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe

my 'contaminated'

> > body had

> > > produced a healthy baby.

> > > I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably

> > overprotective,

> > > and Neil ended up feeling abandoned.

> > > On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents,

but

> > underneath

> > > there was a build-up of problems that we weren't addressing.

> > > Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what

we

> had

> > been

> > > through.

> > > I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends

and

> > family; Neil

> > > had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available for

him.

> > > When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break.

It

> > was a

> > > terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to acknowledge

how

> > troubled things

> > > were between us.

> > > More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us

to

> do

> > that. I

> > > listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside

Neil,

> > just as it did in

> > > me.

> > > A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were

> > determined to make

> > > it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but I no

longer

> > assume anything.

> > > I've learnt there are no guarantees.

> > > After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another

> baby.

> > Honor is

> > > now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were dark

days

> and

> > we don't want

> > > to go back there.

> > > I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a

lovely

> > family.

> > > Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body

isn't

> > contaminated.

> > >

> > > But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass

> Down's

> > children on

> > > the street and think, 'I killed mine.'

> > > I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping

the

> > reality of

> > > what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The

hospital

> > took photos,

> > > but I have never seen them, and it feels too late to go back

> there

> > now.

> > > Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still

cry

> as

> > though mine

> > > were yesterday.

> > > And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right

> decision.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Wow, that's interesting.

Yeah, I understand that. I asked if it was just phenotypically, because in animals (particularly in rabbits - I've studied their color genetics quite a bit), they may phenotypically look like one color, but their genotype is different. I am not sure if that is across the board in all mammals and humans, but I would guess there are circumstances where they may look one way, but their genotype may be slightly different.

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Article: Abortion is never > an > > easy option: Why I aborted my first child> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a terrible and sickening article! > > > > > > > > > She even admits that she killed her baby - "I > > > pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed mine.'", > > but still says, "I remain certain that, for us, it was the right > > decision."> > > www.dailymail. co.uk/pages/ you/article. html?in_article_ > > id=513058 & in_page_id=1908'Abortion is never an easy option: Why I > > aborted my first > > > child'by KATHERINE MOBEY > > > > > > YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for a > > supermarket > > > chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager for a > > recruitment > > > company. Six years ago, they aborted their first child after it > > was diagnosed > > > with Down's - a traumatic decision that took their marriage to > > breaking point. > > > Here, tells their story... > > > Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line appears > > on the > > > pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating a > whole > > new future. > > > > > > Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in 2001, I > > discovered I > > > was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went out and > > bought three > > > more tests - just to be sure. > > > The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our baby and > > all appeared > > > to be well. When we were offered the chance of another more > > detailed scan, we > > > saw it as a bonus. There was no family history of complications, > > but it seemed > > > wise to take every precaution. > > > The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it measures the > > nuchal folds > > > at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's syndrome - > > was to be > > > carried out at King's College Hospital in South London, and has > to > > be done > > > before you are 14 weeks pregnant. > > > My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my notes and > I > > made it > > > just before the deadline. > > > The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously experienced. > I > > trusted her > > > completely. But when she became quiet for a few moments, I knew > > instantly that > > > something was wrong. She explained that my baby had exomphalos - > a > > rare > > > condition in which part of the intestine grows outside the body. > > > It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she said, > but > > it could > > > be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding my hand. > We > > were both in > > > shock and I was crying. Four or five doctors poured into the > room > > to look at the > > > screen. I had become an exhibit. > > > A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56 risk that > > my baby had > > > Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need a > > chorionic villus > > > sampling (CVS) test. > > > This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can > accurately > > detect > > > Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We agreed to have it > > done there and > > > then. By the time we left the hospital, it was early evening. > > > As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It had been > > such a > > > shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my relationship > > with my baby had > > > changed. > > > Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing inside her > to > > be perfect > > > - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision. > > > Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for the CVS > > results to > > > come through. In the three years we had known each other, we had > > been so happy. > > > Now, for the first time, a black cloud was hanging over us. > > > It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as she > told > > me it was > > > bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously affected by > Down's > > as well as the > > > intestinal complications. > > > We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what medical > > treatment it > > > would need, but we did know that we would not be able to cope > with > > a severely > > > disabled child. > > > Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for discussion. > Neil > > stayed > > > strong and made all the necessary arrangements. > > > I saw a consultant the following day and talked through the > > abortion > > > procedure. > > > The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at almost > 16 > > weeks > > > pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical > > termination and would > > > have to go through an induced labour. > > > The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy > hormones > > and stop > > > the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a couple of > days > > later for the > > > abortion itself. > > > Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital (now > > replaced by the > > > Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was put into the > > side room of a > > > maternity ward. > > > I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was aware of > > healthy babies > > > being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on > contractions > > and I was > > > moved into a delivery room. > > > Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet and I > had > > gas and > > > air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the labour > > would take up to > > > 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The midwife had asked > me > > at the outset > > > whether I would want to see the baby when it was born. > > > My reaction had been, "Oh God, no." > > > I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby. > > > But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being that had > > been inside > > > me. I never even found out the sex, although I have always > thought > > of it as a > > > girl. In the years since, I have struggled hugely with the way I > > rejected my > > > baby. I know it was a dreadfully unmotherly thing to do. > > > At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On his way > > back, Neil > > > saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue down the > > corridor - > > > presumably to the incinerator. He often talks about that moment > > and it is > > > extremely painful for him. > > > Afterwards - and I know this will sound bizarre - we were > elated. > > Mum and > > > Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded over me. For > > Mum, it had meant > > > losing a grandchild, but she was totally supportive of our > > decision - her > > > priority throughout was me. > > > When I left hospital the following day, I was given a leaflet on > > miscarriage > > > - a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone. > > > Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has ever > > criticised me - > > > but it was hard for many people to understand fully what we had > > been through. > > > > > > I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't > > concentrate and kept > > > breaking down in meetings. > > > My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily and > > King's College > > > Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her on and off > > for two years, > > > and without her I don't think I would be where I am today. > > > There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal with. > > > First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost and > > overwhelming. > > > Second, I was battling with a massive sense of failure - I am > the > > third of four > > > children, my elder brother and sister each had two healthy > > children, and my > > > younger sister Pippa had just announced she was pregnant. > > > I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had become > > the catalyst > > > for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions. > > > My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done well, but > > not as well > > > as them. > > > And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with whom I > > was at > > > school, had ended disastrously after a year. > > > I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even get > having > > a baby > > > right the first time round. > > > My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body had > > been > > > contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb. > > > I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but, looking > back, > > it was too > > > soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but no one was > > taking care of > > > him. > > > He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try for > > another baby, > > > and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our daughter Honor. > > > The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward, but > > that didn't > > > stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by the > > baby "project". > > > When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe my 'contaminated' > > body had > > > produced a healthy baby. > > > I was so focused on being a good mother that I was probably > > overprotective, > > > and Neil ended up feeling abandoned. > > > On the surface, we looked like any other happy new parents, but > > underneath > > > there was a build-up of problems that we weren't addressing. > > > Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with what we > had > > been > > > through. > > > I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends and > > family; Neil > > > had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available for him. > > > When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a break. It > > was a > > > terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to acknowledge how > > troubled things > > > were between us. > > > More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced us to > do > > that. I > > > listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside Neil, > > just as it did in > > > me. > > > A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were > > determined to make > > > it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but I no longer > > assume anything. > > > I've learnt there are no guarantees. > > > After a lot of thought, we've decided against having another > baby. > > Honor is > > > now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were dark days > and > > we don't want > > > to go back there. > > > I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a lovely > > family. > > > Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body isn't > > contaminated. > > > > > > But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass > Down's > > children on > > > the street and think, 'I killed mine.' > > > I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no escaping the > > reality of > > > what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The hospital > > took photos, > > > but I have never seen them, and it feels too late to go back > there > > now. > > > Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still cry > as > > though mine > > > were yesterday. > > > And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right > decision. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1284 - Release Date: 2/17/2008 2:39 PM>

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Rabbits? Wow. Could you elaborate some more please? This field of

genetics interests me quite a lot since the birth of my almost 5-

year-old son. Do the colors change? For example: The primary color

(when younger) is of one color and then as the rabbit ages, does the

rabbit change colors?

It appears that something similar happens in our family. No, we

don't change colors...LOL...I am laughing at myself the way that

just read.....LOL...All of my children are born with epicanthic

folds, upslanting eyes (almond like mine), sydney lines (females

only), space between toes (moreso in the females). I also was born

with a sydney line and space between toes, almond eyes (?, but they

are defintely almond shaped now! The sydney has disappeared...not

sure what age it did, but I have proof I had one from a bronze

handprint.). Anyways, the epicanthic folds disappeared in my girls

around age 4 or 5; there are still remnants. The sydney lines still

exist...(an emotional aspect?). And the girls have EXTREME spaces

between first and second toes. My boy is not quite 5, but the

epicanthic folds have dissipated a lot. His eyes are still almond

like mine (that I never noticed until it was pointed out in him)

and " his " toe gap is minimal, no sydney line (never was a sydney or

simian at all on his hand). My theory (on top of the geneticist

thinking this is a dominant inherited trait...which we traced from

my mother's maternal line with the help of some cousins)is that the

girls have two X's (XX) and only need ONE X with which to function.

They are not affected as much.(Kind of like " gene silencing "

theory...) Anyways, my boys need BOTH the X and the Y in order to be

a boy. Because there is only ONE X (which is where most of the

genetic material lies) and they HAVE to have the " Y " to be a boy,

they do not " express " the " X " as a girl would; however, it is

genetically there moreso because of the X containing more gentic

material. (the " Y " chromosome has very little genetic material at

all.) I am not quite so sure if this is right in any way, since it

is just what I " see " . There is a " twist " , though. I see these same

genes in my husband. Perhaps the boys are getting a double dose from

my X and his Y. (just a theory). BUT there is significant evidence

to proof that MDS in my family lineage is a dominant inherited trait.

Back to the rabbits and genes in general. There are primary genes

and there are latent genes. This may explain the rabbit scenario AND

also some of the unique morphological changes that I and others have

seen occur in my children. (don't know what else to call it unless

this is typical with people with mosaicism?) I see the changes in my

husband as well, and he says he sees them in me. (? who knows)

I also know with mosaic genes that there is a tendency towards

normal (I hate that word) cell lineage.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?

> > > lang=E & Id=81263 & Option=FatwaId

> > > >

> > > > Article: Abortion is

> never

> > an

> > > easy option: Why I aborted my first child

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What a terrible and sickening article!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > She even admits that she killed her baby - " I

> > > > pass Down's children on the street and think, 'I killed

> mine.' " ,

> > > but still says, " I remain certain that, for us, it was the

> right

> > > decision. "

> > > > www.dailymail. co.uk/pages/ you/article. html?in_article_

> > > id=513058 & in_page_id=1908'Abortion is never an easy option:

> Why I

> > > aborted my first

> > > > child'by KATHERINE MOBEY

> > > >

> > > > YOU reader Mobey, 38, is a customer manager for

a

> > > supermarket

> > > > chain and her husband Neil, 35, is an operations manager

for

> a

> > > recruitment

> > > > company. Six years ago, they aborted their first child

after

> it

> > > was diagnosed

> > > > with Down's - a traumatic decision that took their

marriage

> to

> > > breaking point.

> > > > Here, tells their story...

> > > > Every mother can remember the moment when that blue line

> appears

> > > on the

> > > > pregnancy test and, all of a sudden, you are contemplating

a

> > whole

> > > new future.

> > > >

> > > > Neil and I had been married less than a year when, in

2001,

> I

> > > discovered I

> > > > was expecting. We were so ecstatic, we immediately went

out

> and

> > > bought three

> > > > more tests - just to be sure.

> > > > The routine 12-week scan gave us the first sight of our

baby

> and

> > > all appeared

> > > > to be well. When we were offered the chance of another

more

> > > detailed scan, we

> > > > saw it as a bonus. There was no family history of

> complications,

> > > but it seemed

> > > > wise to take every precaution.

> > > > The nuchal translucency scan - so called because it

measures

> the

> > > nuchal folds

> > > > at the back of the baby's neck to help detect Down's

> syndrome -

> > > was to be

> > > > carried out at King's College Hospital in South London,

and

> has

> > to

> > > be done

> > > > before you are 14 weeks pregnant.

> > > > My appointment was delayed when my GP surgery lost my

notes

> and

> > I

> > > made it

> > > > just before the deadline.

> > > > The sonographer scanning me was calm and obviously

> experienced.

> > I

> > > trusted her

> > > > completely. But when she became quiet for a few moments, I

> knew

> > > instantly that

> > > > something was wrong. She explained that my baby had

> exomphalos -

> > a

> > > rare

> > > > condition in which part of the intestine grows outside the

> body.

> > > > It was something that could be corrected by surgery, she

> said,

> > but

> > > it could

> > > > be an indicator of further problems. Neil was holding my

> hand.

> > We

> > > were both in

> > > > shock and I was crying. Four or five doctors poured into

the

> > room

> > > to look at the

> > > > screen. I had become an exhibit.

> > > > A measurement of the nuchal folds revealed a one in 56

risk

> that

> > > my baby had

> > > > Down's. To get a firm diagnosis, I was told I would need a

> > > chorionic villus

> > > > sampling (CVS) test.

> > > > This involves taking a sample of amniotic fluid and can

> > accurately

> > > detect

> > > > Down's and other chromosomal abnormalities. We agreed to

> have it

> > > done there and

> > > > then. By the time we left the hospital, it was early

> evening.

> > > > As I walked on to the street, I was physically sick. It

had

> been

> > > such a

> > > > shattering experience. Driving home, I realised my

> relationship

> > > with my baby had

> > > > changed.

> > > > Every pregnant woman wants the little person growing

inside

> her

> > to

> > > be perfect

> > > > - but my dreams had turned into a fearful vision.

> > > > Neil and I stayed at home for the four days it took for

the

> CVS

> > > results to

> > > > come through. In the three years we had known each other,

we

> had

> > > been so happy.

> > > > Now, for the first time, a black cloud was hanging over

us.

> > > > It was mid-afternoon when the midwife called. As soon as

she

> > told

> > > me it was

> > > > bad news, I broke down. The baby was seriously affected by

> > Down's

> > > as well as the

> > > > intestinal complications.

> > > > We didn't know what its life expectancy would be or what

> medical

> > > treatment it

> > > > would need, but we did know that we would not be able to

> cope

> > with

> > > a severely

> > > > disabled child.

> > > > Going ahead with the pregnancy wasn't even up for

> discussion.

> > Neil

> > > stayed

> > > > strong and made all the necessary arrangements.

> > > > I saw a consultant the following day and talked through

the

> > > abortion

> > > > procedure.

> > > > The delay caused by my GP losing my notes meant that, at

> almost

> > 16

> > > weeks

> > > > pregnant, I had passed the safe threshold for a surgical

> > > termination and would

> > > > have to go through an induced labour.

> > > > The first step was to take drugs that block the pregnancy

> > hormones

> > > and stop

> > > > the baby's heart beating. I was booked to return a couple

of

> > days

> > > later for the

> > > > abortion itself.

> > > > Neil and my mother came with me. At Farnborough Hospital

> (now

> > > replaced by the

> > > > Princess Royal University Hospital) in Kent, I was put

into

> the

> > > side room of a

> > > > maternity ward.

> > > > I couldn't see what was going on around me, but I was

aware

> of

> > > healthy babies

> > > > being born nearby. A pessary was inserted to bring on

> > contractions

> > > and I was

> > > > moved into a delivery room.

> > > > Mum sat on one side of me, knitting, Neil rubbed my feet

and

> I

> > had

> > > gas and

> > > > air and some pethidine to ease the pain. I was told the

> labour

> > > would take up to

> > > > 16 hours; in the event, it was only six. The midwife had

> asked

> > me

> > > at the outset

> > > > whether I would want to see the baby when it was born.

> > > > My reaction had been, " Oh God, no. "

> > > > I know a lot of people name and cuddle their baby.

> > > > But I couldn't do it - hold the dead and deformed being

that

> had

> > > been inside

> > > > me. I never even found out the sex, although I have always

> > thought

> > > of it as a

> > > > girl. In the years since, I have struggled hugely with the

> way I

> > > rejected my

> > > > baby. I know it was a dreadfully unmotherly thing to do.

> > > > At the point of delivery, Neil and Mum left the room. On

his

> way

> > > back, Neil

> > > > saw someone taking away the baby in a bundle of tissue

down

> the

> > > corridor -

> > > > presumably to the incinerator. He often talks about that

> moment

> > > and it is

> > > > extremely painful for him.

> > > > Afterwards - and I know this will sound bizarre - we were

> > elated.

> > > Mum and

> > > > Neil were saying, 'Well done,' and relief flooded over me.

> For

> > > Mum, it had meant

> > > > losing a grandchild, but she was totally supportive of our

> > > decision - her

> > > > priority throughout was me.

> > > > When I left hospital the following day, I was given a

> leaflet on

> > > miscarriage

> > > > - a mistake, but one that made me feel very alone.

> > > > Friends and colleagues were incredibly kind - no one has

> ever

> > > criticised me -

> > > > but it was hard for many people to understand fully what

we

> had

> > > been through.

> > > >

> > > > I returned to work after a couple of weeks, but couldn't

> > > concentrate and kept

> > > > breaking down in meetings.

> > > > My employers agreed to let me reduce my hours temporarily

> and

> > > King's College

> > > > Hospital referred me to a psychotherapist. I saw her on

and

> off

> > > for two years,

> > > > and without her I don't think I would be where I am today.

> > > > There were three conflicting emotions that I had to deal

> with.

> > > > First, the guilt at having rejected my baby was foremost

and

> > > overwhelming.

> > > > Second, I was battling with a massive sense of failure - I

> am

> > the

> > > third of four

> > > > children, my elder brother and sister each had two healthy

> > > children, and my

> > > > younger sister Pippa had just announced she was pregnant.

> > > > I could hardly bear to be around her. Losing the baby had

> become

> > > the catalyst

> > > > for a whole mass of deeply rooted emotions.

> > > > My family were all academic high-achievers. I had done

well,

> but

> > > not as well

> > > > as them.

> > > > And Neil was my second husband - my first, to a boy with

> whom I

> > > was at

> > > > school, had ended disastrously after a year.

> > > > I felt like the black sheep - the one who couldn't even

get

> > having

> > > a baby

> > > > right the first time round.

> > > > My third irrational but very real feeling was that my body

> had

> > > been

> > > > contaminated by having a sickly child in my womb.

> > > > I was desperate to replace the baby we had lost but,

looking

> > back,

> > > it was too

> > > > soon for Neil. He had had to be strong for me, but no one

> was

> > > taking care of

> > > > him.

> > > > He needed time out, but I was pushing and pushing to try

for

> > > another baby,

> > > > and after eight months, I fell pregnant with our daughter

> Honor.

> > > > The pregnancy was fine, and tests showed nothing untoward,

> but

> > > that didn't

> > > > stop me having panic attacks. My life was consumed by the

> > > baby " project " .

> > > > When Honor was born, I couldn't quite believe

> my 'contaminated'

> > > body had

> > > > produced a healthy baby.

> > > > I was so focused on being a good mother that I was

probably

> > > overprotective,

> > > > and Neil ended up feeling abandoned.

> > > > On the surface, we looked like any other happy new

parents,

> but

> > > underneath

> > > > there was a build-up of problems that we weren't

addressing.

> > > > Both of us were still struggling to come to terms with

what

> we

> > had

> > > been

> > > > through.

> > > > I had had the support of therapy and a network of friends

> and

> > > family; Neil

> > > > had me, but now that we had Honor I wasn't so available

for

> him.

> > > > When Honor was a year old he left, saying he needed a

break.

> It

> > > was a

> > > > terrible shock. Until then, I hadn't stopped to

acknowledge

> how

> > > troubled things

> > > > were between us.

> > > > More than anything we needed to talk. Splitting up forced

us

> to

> > do

> > > that. I

> > > > listened hard and realised that the pain lived on inside

> Neil,

> > > just as it did in

> > > > me.

> > > > A month later he moved back, and it was tough but we were

> > > determined to make

> > > > it work. I hope we will be together for ever, but I no

> longer

> > > assume anything.

> > > > I've learnt there are no guarantees.

> > > > After a lot of thought, we've decided against having

another

> > baby.

> > > Honor is

> > > > now aged four and wonderful, but my pregnancies were dark

> days

> > and

> > > we don't want

> > > > to go back there.

> > > > I no longer feel a failure. I'm proud that I have such a

> lovely

> > > family.

> > > > Having Honor was the proof my psyche needed that my body

> isn't

> > > contaminated.

> > > >

> > > > But the guilt, I realise now, I will have for ever. I pass

> > Down's

> > > children on

> > > > the street and think, 'I killed mine.'

> > > > I know they can be wonderfully loving. There is no

escaping

> the

> > > reality of

> > > > what I did, or the way I mentally rejected my baby. The

> hospital

> > > took photos,

> > > > but I have never seen them, and it feels too late to go

back

> > there

> > > now.

> > > > Abortion can never be described as an easy option. I still

> cry

> > as

> > > though mine

> > > > were yesterday.

> > > > And yet I remain certain that, for us, it was the right

> > decision.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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