Re: Woman With Cancer Claims Vitamin C Saved Her Life

[Guest guest]

It is absurd for all these arm-chair theoreticians to debate over

whether or not vitamin C can kill cancer. There are plenty of

clinics that use ascorbic acid as part of their strategy. Any that

have routine success do not mind in the least for a potential

candidate to hang out, talk to staff, talk to patients, and see for

themselves how the patients are doing. My own opinion of vitamin C

infusions for cancer is in general very favorable. I have seen it

used on thousands of patients.

One interesting pattern that I've noticed among conventional

oncologists is that if a patient plans to do a concurrent alternative

program the oncologist wants to be informed. But when an alternative

program proves to be successful, the conventional oncologists rarely

want to know about the alternative protocols. Some become irritated,

others try to undermine confidence, but a few of the nicer guys will

say, " Whatever you are doing, keep right on doing it! " Occasionally

one might be curious enough to ask, but I have never seen them then

provide the information to other patients.

I have come across a number of oncologists who profess to use

integrative protocols, but the things they do are relatively

inconsequential and mostly geared to pleasing the patients as they

are guided into chemotherapy.

[Guest guest]

Thankfully, there are several states that have medical freedom laws.

Colorado being one of them.

[Guest guest]

Hi, VGammill.

In fact, there is no evidence I can find that IV C kills cancer in

vivo. There are one or two studies that show it kills cancer in

vitro. But the difference between in vitro and in vivo is HUGE.

I tried to get IV C for cancer a couple years ago, and could find NO

ACAM doctor who would treat me specifically with IV C for cancer, and

one of them told me he had never seen direct shrinkage of cancer from

IV C.

Sure, I've seen people in alternative health practitioners' offices

getting IV " cocktails, " and B12 shots and high colonic enemas and

massages and acupuncture---but I have not come across anyone who has

told me " I got IV C and the tumors just melted away. "

That is what happens in vitro---especially to lymphoma tissue---but

there is as yet no direct evidence it happens in vivo.

And IV C is not inexpensive--- $160 dollars or more @ for 12

treatments or more = about $2,000 dollars.

>

> It is absurd for all these arm-chair theoreticians to debate over

> whether or not vitamin C can kill cancer. There are plenty of

> clinics that use ascorbic acid as part of their strategy. Any that

> have routine success do not mind in the least for a potential

> candidate to hang out, talk to staff, talk to patients, and see for

> themselves how the patients are doing. My own opinion of vitamin C

> infusions for cancer is in general very favorable. I have seen it

> used on thousands of patients.

>

> One interesting pattern that I've noticed among conventional

> oncologists is that if a patient plans to do a concurrent

alternative

> program the oncologist wants to be informed. But when an

alternative

> program proves to be successful, the conventional oncologists

rarely

> want to know about the alternative protocols. Some become

irritated,

> others try to undermine confidence, but a few of the nicer guys

will

> say, " Whatever you are doing, keep right on doing it! "

Occasionally

> one might be curious enough to ask, but I have never seen them then

> provide the information to other patients.

>

> I have come across a number of oncologists who profess to use

> integrative protocols, but the things they do are relatively

> inconsequential and mostly geared to pleasing the patients as they

> are guided into chemotherapy.

>

[Guest guest]

Elliot,

You are making certain points that are correct. Vitamin C alone does

not make tumors " melt away " and it is expensive. The price is

increasing because of the rising cost of injectable ascorbic

acid. When money is an issue I encourage patients to buy bulk

meds/herbs and encapsulate them at home. It is the same with

injectables. There is no reason that a person can't mix and infuse

their own ascorbate. Many people think that they could never insert

a needle into their own vein or self-administer a treatment that

wasn't prescribed by a government-licensed physician. They should

ask themselves: " Do I want to live more than a junkie would want a fix? "

At 10:05 AM 12/15/2006, you wrote:

>Hi, VGammill.

>

>In fact, there is no evidence I can find that IV C kills cancer in

>vivo. There are one or two studies that show it kills cancer in

>vitro. But the difference between in vitro and in vivo is HUGE.

>

>I tried to get IV C for cancer a couple years ago, and could find NO

>ACAM doctor who would treat me specifically with IV C for cancer, and

>one of them told me he had never seen direct shrinkage of cancer from

>IV C.

>

>Sure, I've seen people in alternative health practitioners' offices

>getting IV " cocktails, " and B12 shots and high colonic enemas and

>massages and acupuncture---but I have not come across anyone who has

>told me " I got IV C and the tumors just melted away. "

>

>That is what happens in vitro---especially to lymphoma tissue---but

>there is as yet no direct evidence it happens in vivo.

>

>And IV C is not inexpensive--- $160 dollars or more @ for 12

>treatments or more = about $2,000 dollars.

>

>

> >

> > It is absurd for all these arm-chair theoreticians to debate over

> > whether or not vitamin C can kill cancer. There are plenty of

> > clinics that use ascorbic acid as part of their strategy. Any that

> > have routine success do not mind in the least for a potential

> > candidate to hang out, talk to staff, talk to patients, and see for

> > themselves how the patients are doing. My own opinion of vitamin C

> > infusions for cancer is in general very favorable. I have seen it

> > used on thousands of patients.

> >

> > One interesting pattern that I've noticed among conventional

> > oncologists is that if a patient plans to do a concurrent

>alternative

> > program the oncologist wants to be informed. But when an

>alternative

> > program proves to be successful, the conventional oncologists

>rarely

> > want to know about the alternative protocols. Some become

>irritated,

> > others try to undermine confidence, but a few of the nicer guys

>will

> > say, " Whatever you are doing, keep right on doing it! "

>Occasionally

> > one might be curious enough to ask, but I have never seen them then

> > provide the information to other patients.

> >

> > I have come across a number of oncologists who profess to use

> > integrative protocols, but the things they do are relatively

> > inconsequential and mostly geared to pleasing the patients as they

> > are guided into chemotherapy.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, VGam!

Glad we agree to a goodly extent, because I hate to see people being

misled about what works and what doesn't, or with regard to how well

something works.

With regard to injecting oneself with ascorbic acid, or with any

legal substance besides insulin, for that matter, I guess I have no

objection to someone doing that for themselves. But it is not such an

easy thing to get needles or IV bags, etc., and the idea does not

particularly appeal to me to do to myself.

Certainly I think the issue of " medical freedom " has swung too far

toward the side of the AMA, though...

> > >

> > > It is absurd for all these arm-chair theoreticians to debate

over

> > > whether or not vitamin C can kill cancer. There are plenty of

> > > clinics that use ascorbic acid as part of their strategy. Any

that

> > > have routine success do not mind in the least for a potential

> > > candidate to hang out, talk to staff, talk to patients, and see

for

> > > themselves how the patients are doing. My own opinion of

vitamin C

> > > infusions for cancer is in general very favorable. I have seen

it

> > > used on thousands of patients.

> > >

> > > One interesting pattern that I've noticed among conventional

> > > oncologists is that if a patient plans to do a concurrent

> >alternative

> > > program the oncologist wants to be informed. But when an

> >alternative

> > > program proves to be successful, the conventional oncologists

> >rarely

> > > want to know about the alternative protocols. Some become

> >irritated,

> > > others try to undermine confidence, but a few of the nicer guys

> >will

> > > say, " Whatever you are doing, keep right on doing it! "

> >Occasionally

> > > one might be curious enough to ask, but I have never seen them

then

> > > provide the information to other patients.

> > >

> > > I have come across a number of oncologists who profess to use

> > > integrative protocols, but the things they do are relatively

> > > inconsequential and mostly geared to pleasing the patients as

they

> > > are guided into chemotherapy.

> > >

> >

> >

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