Re: Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C - Caution

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Regarding Lypo-Spheric Vit C

>

> All it is is another refined vitc product,

> it is made from highly refined glucose syrup, generally from gmo corn,

> bonded to some mineral, that is not vit c

> The man who discovered ascorbic acid said not to take. He recommened whole

> food VIT C

> The brand to take is megafood. IT is made from whole organic oranges not

> corn syrup. All these people who sell the ascoric acid or ascorbate products

are

> selling chemicals that are more refined than white sugar, how can these be

> better then food. So if you want vit c the best one to take is MEGAFOOD

> DAILYFOODS WHOLE FOOD VIT C

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szukidavis@... wrote:

> Regarding Lypo-Spheric Vit C

> >

> > All it is is another refined vitc product,

> > it is made from highly refined glucose syrup, generally from gmo

corn,

> > bonded to some mineral, that is not vit c

I don't know enough to comment on these statements.

> > The man who discovered ascorbic acid said not to take.

I think ascorbic acid is perfectly healthy. Contrary to popular

belief, it doesn't necessarily acidify the body. It can cause stomach

irritation, particularly if taken on empty stomach.

> > whole food VIT C

> > The brand to take is megafood. IT is made from whole organic

oranges....So if you want vit c the best one to take is MEGAFOOD

> > DAILYFOODS WHOLE FOOD VIT C

For cancer prevention and other low-dose vit. C consumption, I agree.

I take vit. C and other vitamins from

www.affordable-Megafood.com

which I suspect is one of the best brands.

> > All these people who sell the ascoric acid or ascorbate products are

> > selling chemicals that are more refined than white sugar, how can

these be

> > better then food.

This statement are misleading inflammatory appeals to emotion.

Hundreds of thousands of cancer patients have received IV (pure) vit.

C (sodium ascorbate in most cases; not Megafood or any other whole

foods C), with enormous success.

BioImmune.com specializes in non-corn-derived IV vit. C, and they also

sell a (expensive) non-corn-derived oral vit. C product.

The only way to achieve blood levels of vit. C high enough to directly

kill cancer cells (thru production of hydrogen peroxide in the cancer

cell, which is how IV vit. C works) thru oral consumption is by taking

liposomal vit. C (www.lipoflow.com or www.livonlabs.com). Other vit. C

products cause diarrhea before you can reach those levels.

I would much rather heal from cancer than remain politically correct

and loyal to using only natural, whole-foods, noncorn, unprocessed

products (as much as I believe in trying to go natural and avoiding

GMO corn). I believe in judging products by their overall efficacy and

the totality of their effects on the person--rationally weighing their

pros and cons.

My knowledge of liposomal vit. C's very limited, but so far I haven't

heard of any harmful effects of them, and I've heard that if consumed

in large enough quantities (to achieve blood levels toxic to cancer

cells, which can't be done thru oral consumption of non-liposomal C)

they can be highly effective in healing cancer.

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Response from a friend:

In a message dated 5/20/08 1:18:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

mesaug@... writes:

>

>

> I have yet to see any clinical trails on vit c drip for cancer,

> Linus pauling and his wife died of cancer the very thing vit c drips are

> said to prevent.

> Even if it is non corn derived it is still more refined than white sugar and

> a chemical

> There are many people, such as DR. Tom Cowan who does not sell vitamins, who

> write that large doses of ascorbic acid or other forms of it such as

> ascorbates cause dna damage in as little as 250mg. Since you say hundreds of

> thousands of people have gotten better from the vit c drips i would love to

see some

> actual clinical trials. there are many natural substances, such as coriolous

> mushroom hot water extractm,which has over 400 published clinical trials,

> that have been shown to be effective. However to my knowledge i have yet to

see

> any real clinical trials showing vitc drip to be effective. I would be

> amazed to get one clinical trial from a company that is not selling vitc drips

>

>

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> In a message dated 5/20/08 1:18:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> mesaug@... writes:

> > Linus pauling and his wife died of cancer

True. I vaguely recall hearing that he was in his 90s.

> > the very thing vit c drips are said to prevent.

No. IV vit. C (IVC) is a treatment designed to kill cancer cells (and

infections), not to prevent cancer. Low-dose oral vit. C works as an

antioxidant to prevent cancer. IVC kills cancer cells by working as a

PRO-oxidant. ing took about 10g/day long-term, an extremely high

oral dose (for long-term use as a preventative), which I've never

heard anyone (other than ing) recommend. For someone who's never

had cancer, I believe in using no more than about 1g/day for

prevention unless one has reason to take more.

> > Since you say hundreds of

> > thousands of people have gotten better from the vit c drips i

would love to see some

> > actual clinical trials....to my knowledge i have yet to see

> > any real clinical trials showing vitc drip to be effective. I

would be

> > amazed to get one clinical trial from a company that is not

selling vitc drips....

> > I have yet to see any clinical trails on vit c drip for cancer

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I've also spoken w/hundreds of practitioners who've used IVC.

I haven't heard one mention that they found it to be ineffective (or

only minimally effective), either for cancer or infections, nor do I

recall any practitioner who stopped using it in favor of other treatments.