Re: Estrogen/testosterone question/ Reply to Sara fromDr.B.

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Thanks for this reply Dr Bormann. It is full of wonderful information. I will

have to look into things more but yes I have read about the bioidentical hormone

compounding. It is my understanding that femring is bioidentical hormone as is

the prometrium. I am not against hormone compounding but it comes down to an

insurance issue. They will not pay anything towards the compounding while they

will towards the prescription bioidentical hormones. I know my life is not

worth any amount of money savings but I have to find some ways to make the whole

budget thing work. I will definitely look into Pet scans should I need any scans

in the future. Thanks again for your time in responding. I really appreciate

it.

Sara

Re: Estrogen/testosterone question/ Reply to Sara

fromDr.B.

Dear Sara:

Greetings from Dr.Bormann in S.Calif.

I'm on staff with Europa Institute of Integrated Medicine in Tijuana

where we treat cancer using an Integrated

wholistic approach, as well as haveing my own Wellness Center here in

Lake Arrowhead.

I'd say first of all that each person's hormone needs vary from day to

day and standardized methods of hormone replacement used with cookbook

style protocols is risky, bad medicine all around. Next, using

synthetic estrogens is not my favorite thing since it is pro-tumor

forming (elevated vaginal and cervical CA risk with rings) and also

pro-fungal and inhibits thyroid conversion.

If it was me, I'd consider bioidientical customized hormone therapy from

a good compounder with an Integrative doctor rather than a run of the

mill endocrinologist, in the absolute lowest dose my body would need to

maintain homeostatic levels. No standardized dosing here.

Next, it is possible in women for progesterone (especially in high doses

like 100 mg.+) to convert to testosterone, but more likely the Estrogens

in the Femring...do you know what the ratios of the hormones in the ring

and whether they're biodientical or synthetic or from horses urine??

Also, the Prometrium you're taking is way too strong and in my opinion

and you should never ever take hormones orally since over time it causes

hepatitis (liver inflammation) since they have to pass through the liver

first before getting to the tissue. We only ever use topical or

sublingual or vaginal suppositories in low biological levels.

DHEA can be elevated and altered by many things so lets not go jumping

to the cancer thing...exercize can even elevate it as can HCG

injections. Way high levels of Progesterone can do it too...it can also

make you sleepy and have loose ligaments so end up with joint and back

problems, etc.

If you're going to look for cancer in soft tissue, we prefer PET scan

since it uses glucose as uptake agent which loads into cancer cells (and

fungally infected cells) preferentially. However, I'd not even go

there yet...Jesus said " Do not worry about tomorrow for tomorrow will

worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own " Mt.6:34

Hope this helps. Feel free to call my office if you'd like to discuss

this offline.

God's Richest Blessings

Col 1:16-17

Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.M.H.T.

US Case Coordinator & Director of Affairs

Europa Institute of Integrated Medicine

SanDiego/Tijuana Int'l. Borderzone

Tijuana, BC Mexico

& Owner, Director

Arrowhead Healthworks

Lake Arrowhead, CA

909-338-3533

http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/Wellctr.htm

http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/EUROPA.htm

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Tom and Sara wrote:

> I have a question for all of you

>

> I recently went for my yearly checkup and while my tumor is stable,

> Praise God! my testosterone came back as elevated. (86 with normal of

> 20-70) Also my DHEAS while still in the high normal range jumped

> almost 50 points. (from 136 to 188 with normal of 10-221) I did some

> reading and 2 things have stuck out at me that could be the cause.

>

> Both DHEAS and Testosterone list Estrogen/Progesterone replacement as

> a possible cause of rising testosterone/DHEA. I am on Femring which is

> a 3 month estrogen ring and I take Prometrium once every 3 months.

> When this test was done I was at the end of the 3 month cycle meaning

> I pretty much had no " replaced " estrogen/progesterone in my body. Also

> I had been doing the same doses at my prior appointment and their was

> no rise in testosterone/DHEAS at that point.

>

> 2nd Both list possible Adrenal tumors as the cause.

>

> For a little bit of my history. I was diagnosed 5/05 with ACTH

> pituitary tumor. I went through 2 resections and radiation. I have

> been stable since early 06. I am hypopituitary and I replace GH,

> Cortef, estrogen and progesterone. I am also on Gluphage.

>

> Anyone have any thoughts or personal experience with this? I am trying

> to not get overexcited about this but it is hard. My original tumor

> was found on a fluke of 1 abnormal test result. My husband and I

> talked about it and I am thinking I want to ask my Endo to rerun the

> test in say a month and see if it was a fluke but if those tests are

> also elevated then I would like to ask for a CAT Scan/MRI of my

> adrenals. Does this sound like a good plan of action or what would you do?

>

> Thanks

>

> Sara

>

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