Guest guest Posted November 8, 2002 Report Share Posted November 8, 2002 November 7, 2002 Dear Friends, Welcome to the first " Reader Response " issue of NWNM Today! We have received many responses to our issue on vaccination. We have published all of your response letters in this supplemental issue on vaccination. We hope that you will continue to write to jockdoubleday@... with information, anecdotes, and ideas. Subsequent issues of NWNM Today will address the following topics: Vol. 2: BREASTFEEDING Vol. 3: CHILDBIRTH Vol. 4: NATURAL IMMUNITY Vol. 5: [READERS' VOTE] Vol. 6: ORGANIC AGRICULTURE Permission is given to all parties to reproduce, post, and distribute all or any part of this newsletter. In health, Jock Doubleday Director Natural Woman, Natural Man, Inc. http://www.gentlebirth.org/nwnm.org jockdoubleday@... * * * CORRECTIONS: In our first newsletter, we mistakenly referred readers to http://www.sumeria.net/dream/ for information on Louis Pasteur. The actual URL is http://www.sumeria.net/dream/0.html * * * In a message dated 10/21/02 2:20:24 PM, vze28ys8@... writes: Dear Jock, Thank you for the great job you are doing with your newsletter. It is quite a task to address both the vaccine issue and childbirth and breastfeeding issues. But it really does need to be done that way. I too got involved in vaccines about 16 years ago when my son almost died after is DPT/OPV vaccines at 9 mos. He later developed Aspergers Syndrome. We got involved in alternative medicine and now he is functioning completely normally. I am advocating in NJ against mandatory vaccination laws and I also provide support for parents who do not want to vaccinate. I have a religious exemption letter for the state of NJ that parents can copy and use. It is at the www.vaclib.org website. The exact webpage is: www.vaclib.org/chapter/cherubs.htm CHERUBS stands for Children Having Everybody Really Upset 'Bout Shots and it is the NJ Chapter of Vaccination Liberation which was founded by Walene who authored Immunization: The Reality behind the Myth. Best Wishes and God Bless You for the important work you are doing! Barbara Flynn CHERUBS 10 Irving Place Summit, NJ 07901 (908) 273-2792 www.vaclib.org/chapter/cherubs.htm Be.cherubs@... October 21, 2002 Dear Barbara, Thanks for your letter. Re: CHERUBS . . . You should get an award for best acronym! Re: treatment for vaccinated indiv's, check out Jaquelyn McCandless's new book, Children with Starving Brains: A Medical Treatment Guide for Autism Spectrum Disorder. I've spoken with Ms. McCandless on the phone, and she's the real thing. To buy the book, go to: http://www.autism-rxguidebook.net/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=2 & tabid=7 Yours, Jock October 22, 2002 Dear Jock, I was blessed to find Dr. Herscu, ND in Enfield, Connecticut, who is reinventing homeopathy to cure neurological disorders--including autism and seizure disorder--without drugs. He is the author of The Homeopathic Treatment of Children (1990) and Stramonium (1994), which happens to be the remedy he cured my son with. He said that homeopathy would help my son somewhat but that we needed a multi-strategy approach which included cranial-osteopathy, vision therapy with prism lenses, vegetarian diet (w/Super-Blue Green Algae), Sensory Integration Therapy and Bio-feedback etc. It took a few years but eventually we were successful. This protocol is not recognized by organizations such as DAN, CAN, Auto-immunity project etc. They tend to be populated by MD's who do not want to know what the " quack " doctors are up to! Hope you will be able to integrate this information at some point as well! Best Wishes! and thank you for the information. Barbara Flynn www.vaclib.org/chapter/cherubs.htm Be.cherubs@... * * * In a message dated 10/21/02 9:35:52 AM, jody@... writes: Dear Jock, Thank you for sending NWNM Today #1 ( October 19, 2002) . . . Dr. [ S.] Mendelsohn . . . told me of an occasion where he was asked to give the commencement speech at a medical school graduation. He told the graduates he had some good news and some bad news. The good news was they have now been prepared to join the practice of medicine. The bad news was that half of what they had learned was not true and they had to go out there and figure out which half. My Best to You, Jody McLaughlin. Ed Compleat Mother Magazine PO Box 209 Minot, North Dakota 58702-0209 USA (701) 852-2822 http://www.CompleatMother.com http://www.BoysToo.com jody@... * * * In a message dated 10/21/02 10:29:54 AM, hanumant@... writes: Jock, I can only say a huge thanks to you and the process through which you found me. My wife and I are recipients of a completely self-grown and delivered 14 month old boy named Alder Ian Rusch. When we tell people that he was born at home and we delivered him ourselves with no assistance they normally stand agape in disbelief. . . . Kathy still breastfeeds, he has never had " formula, " whatever that is, and over 99% of his diet other than breastmilk is and has been organic and macrobiotic. The kid loves seaweed. Alder also, as you would expect, has not had any vaccinations and, surprise, is healthier than any other babies with . .. . which we associate. . . . Jock, if you need Alder, Kathy or my assistance with anything please email us. We are very supporting of your cause and love to find others like ourselves. Thanks again for the newsletter, keep them coming, Rusch hanumant@... October 22, 2002 Dear , Thanks for your encouraging email. Glad to hear you've gone natural, as I assume nature intended it. . . . You may know about www.thedoctorwithin.com, created by Tim O'Shea, author of The Sanctity of Human Blood. He has on his web site a contact list of parents of unvaccinated children. To find it, just click on " Articles, " and it's the ninth article from the bottom. I hope all continues to be well with you. Jock http://www.gentlebirth.org/nwnm.org jockdoubleday@... * * * October 20, 2002 Hi Jock This is Theobald from Mumbai, India. I had written to you almost a year ago, requesting for help to locate a midwife who would help my wife Rita have a homebirth. I am glad to inform you that she delivered a healthy baby at home eight months ago. He has not been vaccinated and is doing fine so far. Congrats on bringing out your newsletter -- I look forward to future issues! For a look at my viewpoint, on how vaccines " work " and how they are only half the story, you can read my rather longish, non-technical article from my newsletter at cyogi/message/14 Cheers, petert@... * * * October 21, 2002 Dear Sir, At first, in seeing the unknown email address, I ALMOST deleted your message without reading it. Can't be TOO safe now days. After reading it, I was relieved that I hadn't. Great bit of journalism!! Your points [on vaccination] were well documented and succinct. Keep up the good work. I look forward to future messages. Sincerely, Dr. Schaller B.S., D.C. * * * October 27, 2002 I recall meeting Lee, the distinguished botanist from Santa Cruz, when I lectured there. I was shocked to hear him laud the WHO's efforts to vaccinate every person on the earth against smallpox. This was in 1977 and I was already savvy to the hoax. I challenged him publicly and here got my first taste of how controversial this topic is. I appreciate your investigation!! Love, JP Jeannine Parvati http://www.freestone.org freestone@... (Jeannine Parvati is the author of books, articles, and tapes on fertility, midwifery, menopause, prenatal yoga, herbs, and more, and founder of Hygieia College, International Mystery School in Womancraft and Lay Midwifery.) * * * In a message dated 10/25/02 10:00:47 PM, spainnuria@... writes: LOVE YOUR ENERGY AND INPUT IN ALL THESE THINGS. YOU WILL DEFINITELY BE IN HEAVEN. Love, Nuria spainnuria@... * * * Read the last point on p. 3 about how there is " There is no minimum level of efficacy required for licensure of a preventive vaccine addressed by the FDA regulations or guidelines. " http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/02/minutes/3854m1.pdf Am I reading this correctly that they don't even have " minimum " guidelines for efficacy. Is it possible? Duffield valentinewiggin@... 801-293-9698 " What a strange religion medicine makes. It's the only religion that is federally backed, and even amid scientific controversy, cannot be questioned openly without persecution or ridicule. " * * * In a message dated 10/26/02 3:54:56 PM, mleuba@... writes: I found the graphs interesting...I would be curious to see the curves charted for other diseases with available vaccinations also. Do you have any information on those? Yes, please add me to your mailing list. Thanks. Maureen Leuba, R.N. mleuba@... [Jock writes to Ian Sinclair for help with Maureen's question:] From: <Jockdoubleday@...> <ian@...> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:09 AM Subject: graphs Ian, An R.N., to whom I sent your web page URL http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html, has asked me if there is similar graphical evidence of other diseases' natural decline. Can you point me in the right direction? Yours, Jock [ian Sinclair writes back:] In a message dated 10/27/02 1:44:32 AM, ian@... writes: Hi Jock, Send her to the following site which covers the decline in the UK. It is very well documented. http://www.vegan.swinternet.co.uk/articles/health/vaccination.html I don't have graphs for the most recent vaccines like chicken pox, meningitis, Hep b, etc, for obvious reasons that they have only been around for a few years which does not allow sufficient time for plotting creditable graphical evidence. Hope that's of some help. Regards Ian http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/ * * * In a message dated 10/21/02 4:19:02 PM, sarahjbuckley@... writes: Dear Jock I love what you are doing--good on you! I remember that Bruce Teakle--my friend and co-worker for better birth choices--said you were writing a book and seeking birth stories. Is this right? I have a lovely story from my 4th birth with Maia, who was unassisted and unexpectedly breech. (My husband and I are both MD also!) Let me know if you would like it. I also have a few articles that I have had published that you might like to post--I've had 2 so far in Mothering, one on Ultrasound, one on (the hormones of) ecstatic birth (I have copyright back in March 2003), and epidurals, co-sleeping, long-term breastfeeding--actually alot of them are in www.birthlove.com, but most of this is a members only site. I'd better get off the computer and back to my home-educating girls! With appreciation October 21, 2002 Dear , I'd love to read your birth story. When my book Spontaneous Creation: 101 Reasons Not To Have Your Baby in a Hospital is published (this spring), I'm going to edit a book called A Child Is Born: Birth Stories from the Heart of America. Then one called A Child Is Born: Birth Stories from the Heart of the World. Hope all is well with you. Jock www.gentlebirth.org/nwnm.org jockdoubleday@... * * * [Excerpts from a letter sent by C. Barr:] October 21, 2002 .. . . 10/16 is the birth anniversary of Antoine Bechamp. You never heard of him? Sigh. Neither has almost anybody else. It's a tragic shame. Extraordinary country doctor Born, raised and worked in the outskirts of the country, Dr. Bechamp was without equal in his day, or any day since. Bechamp held degrees in pharmacy, medicine, biology, chemistry and physics. He was also a university professor in these subjects and a research scientist in them right up until his death at the age of 91. Upon his death it took eight pages of the national science journal of France just to list the titles of his scientifically published works in 1908. . .. . Antoine Bechamp was the originator of many historically noted discoveries, although his name is shamefully missing from the records. In his place is the almost universally recognized name of Louis Pasteur, even though he has been historically noted as a cheat and a fraud. Always working in the outskirts of the country, Dr. Bechamp submitted all his studies to the big city journals. The scoundrel Pasteur noted them, resubmitted them in a different form with reworked conclusions, and then claimed grand discovery. He smooth-talked the newspapers, society darlings, and even the Emperor himself . . . He was lifted up as the national hero of France. . . . Louis Pasteur was not very bright in science. His reworked conclusions were just plain wrong. . . . The discoverers of this so-called discoverer's frauds have been as ignored as Antoine Bechamp until only a few years ago. A book by a Princeton University professor detailed at length many (but not all) of the improprieties of Louis Pasteur. However, [the professor] was careful not to challenge his conclusions. . . . Asked about Antoine Bechamp the author did acknowledge him. Asked why he didn't write about this unknown hero of science and of medicine the author stated, " He is not a historically significant character. " . . . Dr. Bechamp was the first scientific nutritionist. He noted the importance of taking care of one's self for prevention of disease. He was a champion of self-responsibility. . . . Pasteur, to the contrary, taught that man was at the mercy of germs and needed professional help. The old superstition of evil spirits causing disease was replaced by the scientific equivalent of the bogeyman. The shamans of science were lifted up as the exorcists of these unseen evil germs. A new superstition was created that continues to reign in this day. . .. . Well, well, well. Eat well. Think well. Be well. This is the hallmark of Antoine Bechamp. . . . C. Barr cbarr@... * * * I am very good friends with a family whose little boy has fully recovered from autism -- he is the only child I have met with no residual side-effects of autism. The family went on the diet and supplements but she continued to nurse him well into his fourth year (which is really late for US mothers). My theory is that breastfeeding helps keep inflammation down and helps the children who are suffering adverse vaccine reactions ( " autism " ). Thank you for all your efforts! Tory Mead 1385 SW Orinda Way Portland, Oregon 97225 Tory@... * * * A reader from North Dakota sent in this URL: http://www.talkinternational.com/issues_health_autism_guide_aug_03_01.ht m, from which the following is excerpted: " O'Leary, Ph.D., a world class researcher and molecular biologist from Ireland, using state-of-the-art sequencing technology, showed how he had found measles virus in the gut of 96% of autistic children, compared to 6.6% of normal children. This virus did not come from the natural disease; it came from the measles vaccine. In addition, Dr. O'Leary found measles virus present in 75% of children with Crohn's Disease. Crohn's has traditionally been an intestinal disease of adults, following years of dietary abuse. Its appearance in children is a new event, and Dr. O'Leary's work points to measles virus from vaccines as the likely cause. " * * * November 5, 2002 Jock Friend! Just received a free newsletter with a full page on vaccinations and immediately thought of you. Several authoritative quotes re: warnings given to U.S. medical profession in 1887 on the cancer spread via vaccinations. You can request this along with a free catalog from American Botanical Pharmacy at 1-800 437-2362. Stay Well! JM www.ncpeace.org/ www.communitycurrency.org/ http://familyguardian.tzo.com/Publications/GreatIRSHoax/GreatIRSHoax.htm * * * A reader sent in Amy Worthington's list, " 20 Reasons Not To Take The Smallpox Vaccination. " Number 12 is compelling: #12. By the 1920s, several British medical researchers documented that smallpox was not only more common among the vaccinated, but that the death rate from smallpox was actually higher among those who had been vaccinated. (http://www.healthresearchbooks.com/articles/smallpox.htm * * * JUST THE FACTS The following facts are " brought to you " by Jini Patel , author of " Should I Vaccinate My Child? " and Listen To Your Gut: Natural Healing and Dealing with Inflammatory Bowel Disease (www.caramal.com): 1. According to the U.S. National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (1986): To qualify for compensation, the adverse effects of vaccination must occur within four hours of receiving the vaccine. Despite this extremely severe limitation, as of February 28, 1998 compensatory payments have totalled $871,800,000.00. This figure is even more alarming when it is revealed that only one in four claimants have been awarded compensation. 2. As the physician W.J. McCormick summarized in 1950 (before vaccines for measles, mumps, scarlet fever and rheumatic fever were introduced): " .the decline in diphtheria, whooping cough and typhoid fever began fully fifty years prior to the inception of artificial immunization and followed an almost even grade before and after the adoption of these control measures. In the case of scarlet fever, mumps, measles and rheumatic fever there has been no specific innovation in control measures, yet these also have followed the same general pattern in incidence decline. " 3. Professor Dick, speaking at an environmental conference in Brussels in 1973, admitted that in recent decades, 75% of British people who contracted smallpox had been vaccinated. 4. When the historical data is referred to by pro-vaccine parties, it is often skewed and presented out of context. For example, in reference to a mass immunization campaign carried out in Thailand: " .the immunization coverage for measles has increased from 6% in 1984 to 63% in 1988, leading to a reduction in measles prevalence from 93.7/100,000 in 1984 to 37.1/100,000 in 1986 " However, what the report doesn't indicate is that in 1987, the infection rate of measles was 87.1/100,000. And in 1988 it was 59.1/100,000 which is actually higher than the rate of infection in 1982 (57.1/100,000) when no one had been vaccinated. 5. Immediate or short-term effects of vaccination can include the following: encephalopathy (irreversible brain damage), ataxia (incoordination of voluntary muscle movements), mental retardation, aseptic meningitis (inflammation of the membranes of spinal cord or brain), seizure disorders, hemiparesis (half-body paralysis), retinopathy and blindness, hyperactivity, anaphylaxis, high pitched (encephalitic) screaming/prolonged crying, learning disorders, hay fever, asthma, sudden infant death (SIDS), brachial plexus neuropathy (disease affecting nerves which serve the arm, forearm and hand), and abdominal pain. Secondary complications can include juvenile-onset diabetes, Reye's syndrome and multiple sclerosis. 6. In West Germany in 1967 . . . smallpox vaccination damaged the hearing of 3,296 children, and of these 71 were rendered completely deaf. 7. In Australia's Northern Territory . . . malnourished aboriginal children were vaccinated and in some areas 50% of them died. 8. When you contract a disease naturally, the virus or bacteria normally enters via the body's natural filtration system; by being inhaled or swallowed, passing through the liver. With measles, for example, the airborne virus is carried first to the tonsils, then the lymph nodes and then into the spleen, blood and other organs. This succession produces a variety of reactions; sneezing, coughing or the secretion of a local antibody within the respiratory tract, all designed to expel or weaken the virus at its port of entry. With vaccines, foreign antigens are usually injected directly into the body's tissues and carried throughout the circulatory system, giving them direct access to all of the body's vital organs and systems. To bypass the body's natural defence system, and at such a young age, is simply asking for trouble. In addition, because the vaccine contains an attenuated (or weakened) form of the virus, the body doesn't activate its major inflammatory response, nor its non-specific immune defences. 9. Another long-term complication of vaccination involves the " one cell--one antibody " rule. This means that once a B cell is committed to an antigen (disease-causing virus or bacteria), it becomes inert and incapable of responding to other antigens or attacks on the immune system. If a child contracts childhood diseases naturally, it is estimated that up to a total of 7% of their immune system is taken up with responding to these diseases. However, a child who undergoes the routine course of vaccinations, risks having up to 70% of his/her immune system committed to these antigens and no longer available for other immune challenges. Current research suggests this reduced immune-response capacity is responsible for increased susceptibility to other infections, allergies, and auto-immune diseases. Other researchers argue that these attenuated forms of the viruses remain in the body causing continual antigenic stimulation of the immune system which also weakens it and leads to auto-immune diseases. 10. [O]ne of the few double-blind trials that have ever been conducted on a vaccine shows the same immunosuppressive effect. In the trial, of the group who were vaccinated with the Salk polio vaccine, over 200 people went on to contract polio. Among the control group (unvaccinated), not one of them developed polio. 11. " Vaccinal attenuated viruses attach their own genetic 'episome' to the genome (half set of chromosomes and their genes) of the host cell, and are thus capable of surviving or remaining latent within the host cells for years. The presence of foreign antigenic material within the host cell sets the stage for their unpredictable provocation of various auto-immune phenomena such as herpes, shingles, warts, tumors - both benign and malignant - and diseases of the central nervous system, such as varied forms of paralysis and inflammation of the brain. " (Dr. R. Moskowitz, M.D.) * * * The following two quotes are from Dr. Vivian Virginia Vetrano's article, " Smallpox, " at http://www.rense.com/general31/pox.htm " Smallpox is about as contagious as stumbling over a rock. " " You do not have to fear smallpox, even if you should develop it, as long as you immediately quit eating and go to bed and rest, drinking pure water only when thirsty. Smallpox is a disease of the bon-vivant, epicurean, who overeats on a daily basis, especially on animal foods. " (Dr. Vivian Virginia Vetrano, vvvetrano@...) * * * The following excerpts are from the article, " Smallpox: Bringing a Dead Disease Back to Life, " by Tim O'Shea. (http://thedoctorwithin.com/index_fr.html?content=/articles/index.html , excerpted from the forthcoming 6th edition of Tim's book, The Sanctity of Human Blood) " A compulsory " immunization " program was set up in England in 1853 using Jenner's methods. (McBean p.13) [8] Before that time, the highest number of deaths in a 2 year period in England from smallpox was about 2000. Results of this " immunization " : " Year Deaths 1857-9 14,244 1863-5 20,059 " In response, in 1867 Parliament enacted a stricter vaccination law, and 97% of the people were inoculated. Result: " Year Deaths 1868 44,840 " Great vaccine, huh? " Alfred Wallace offers abundant proof how vaccine statistics were manipulated in England during the 1800s -- the who and the why of it. After a thorough presentation charting actual deaths throughout the UK and the Continent from smallpox and from the vaccine, Wallace concludes that smallpox vaccine " ...has actually increased susceptibility to the disease. ... the conclusion is in every case the same: that vaccination is a gigantic delusion; that it has never saved a single life; but that it has been the cause of so much disease, so many deaths, such a vast amount of utterly needless and altogether undeserved suffering, that it will be classed by the coming generation among the greatest errors of an ignorant and prejudiced age, and its penal enforcement the foulest blot on the generally beneficent course of legislation during our century. " [Alfred R. Wallace, Vaccination: A Delusion: Its Penal Enforcement a Crime, Chapter VI 1898, www.whale.to/vaccine/wallace/book.html] " * * * Barbara Fisher, who served for ten years on the U.S. National Vaccine Advisory Committee, states: " As the drug companies have often stated in meetings I have attended, if a vaccine they produce is not mandated to be used on a mass basis, they do not recoup their R & D costs and do not make the profit they want. In the medical literature official studies of vaccine risk are published purportedly proving there is no cause and effect. What the reader does not know is that often the studies have been designed and conducted by physicians who sit on vaccine policy-making committees at the Centers for Disease Control.some of whom receive money from vaccine manufacturers for their universities and for testifying as expert witnesses in vaccine-injury cases. And others are federal employees with an eye on career advancement within HHS and a future job with a vaccine manufacturer after retirement from public service. Many of these same physicians sit on the peer review boards of the major medical journals such as Pediatrics and JAMA, where they refuse space for studies or letters from the few brave physicians who dare to challenge their assertions that there is no cause and effect. " (Barbara Loe Fisher, National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) http://www.909shot.com) * * * THINGS TO PONDER In the past (and perhaps even now--ask Dr. Eddy Bresnitz at eddy.bresnitz@...), states have received up to $100 of federal money for each child fully immunized by the age of two. For instance, the CDC (the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) awarded the New Jersey Health Department $924,450 and $1,202,869 in 1999 and 2000, respectively, for fully immunized children. For more information, write Dr. Eddy Bresnitz, State Epidemiologist / Assistant Commissioner of Epidemiology, Environmental and Occupational Health Programs in the New Jersey Department of Health and Senior Services, eddy.bresnitz@... or go to http://www.vaclib.org/chapter/njexempt.htm * * * Guess who isn't getting the flu shot this fall? 70% of doctors and nurses. That should tell you all you need to know about the flu vaccine, but if you want to know more, go to this new web site: http://www.vaclib.org/basic/fluindex.htm * * * * * * Friends, Each issue of NWNM Today will be followed by a supplemental Reader Response issue. Please feel free to write to me at jockdoubleday@... with your questions, concerns, anecdotes, and ideas. In health, Jock Doubleday Director Natural Woman, Natural Man, Inc. A California Nonprofit Corporation http://www.gentlebirth.org/nwnm.org jockdoubleday@... The information contained in this email is not a substitute for professional caregiver advice. 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