Guest guest Posted December 4, 2002 Report Share Posted December 4, 2002 , if you get back to Germany you can look for a pet homeopath under this addi ->look under " Therapeuten " (listed are all classic homeop.pract.) http://ulpc08.gsi.de/~labi/ >> PS My mother in the UK just heard about a case up in the north of England of a man who was bitten by a rabid bat. I was just wondering if it could have been a French bat. Do they have the ability to fly, say, over the English Channel? I know you're all laughing but I'm serious.<< I've heard that they've found rabid bats in the past in England and Australia-still both countries are considered rabid-free! @Jackie: many animalvax in Germany/Europe still contain thimerosal!! all the best, tanja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2003 Report Share Posted March 26, 2003 Just going through some old posts. Labbidoggi, sorry I never said thank-you for your post. I will pursue this!! Recht Herzlichen Dank!! Re: Rabies shot > , > if you get back to Germany you can look for a pet homeopath under this > addi ->look under " Therapeuten " (listed are all classic homeop.pract.) > http://ulpc08.gsi.de/~labi/ > > > >> PS My mother in the UK just heard about a case up in the north of > England of a man who was bitten by a rabid bat. I was just wondering > if it could have been a French bat. Do they have the ability to fly, > say, over the English Channel? I know you're all laughing but I'm > serious.<< > > I've heard that they've found rabid bats in the past in England and > Australia-still both countries are considered rabid-free! > > @Jackie: many animalvax in Germany/Europe still contain thimerosal!! > > all the best, > tanja > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Could you please supply the scientific evidence that rabies is shed in milk? Our vet says there is no scientific proof that it can pass in the milk. Debbie ChikouskyManitoba, Canada"A successful man is one who can build a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him.” -- Brinkley-- rabies shot I am coming late to this discussion. I am a veterinarian, mother and livestock producer in an area where we have multiple cases of rabies confirmed every year in both ag and non ag species. I believe any mammal that will be touched on a regular basis by a human should be vaccinated for rabies. What are the odds of any particular animal getting rabies? Astronomically low. What are the odds you will be exposed and not realize it? Still fairly small. What are the odds you die if you do get rabies? 100%. Imagine the following scenarios: -Dairy producer finds sick skunk in the holding pen of the milking parlor. Several cows have scratches on their noses. Skunk comes back positive for rabies. Scratces could have been from weeds in the pasture, or could have been from skunk- cows will gather around anything novel and lower their heads to sniff it. It is proven rabid cows can shed rabies virus in their milk. Now imagine you have been buying raw milk from this herd to give your baby girl. Imagine you have been selling raw milk from a cow who is now standing in front of you unable to swallow, down in milk and the vet telling you if she doesn't respond to treatmetn for listeria her head needs to go to the state lab for rabies testing cause that skunk came back positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 First, I don't believe vaccinations are all that wonderful or safe. Second, the thought of paying the vet to come out here yearly to vaccinate all of our animals makes me cringe. Don't know what's up in your state but in TN farmers are not allowed to purchase the vaccine which makes me think that rabies isn't such a big deal. If it were we'd be allowed to take care of our animals ourselves. Sounds like a money making scheme to me! Belinda > > I am coming late to this discussion. I am a veterinarian, mother and > livestock producer in an area where we have multiple cases of rabies > confirmed every year in both ag and non ag species. > I believe any mammal that will be touched on a regular basis by a human > should be vaccinated for rabies. What are the odds of any particular animal > getting rabies? Astronomically low. What are the odds you will be exposed > and not realize it? Still fairly small. What are the odds you die if you > do get rabies? 100%. > Imagine the following scenarios: > > -Dairy producer finds sick skunk in the holding pen of the milking parlor. > Several cows have scratches on their noses. Skunk comes back positive for > rabies. Scratces could have been from weeds in the pasture, or could have > been from skunk- cows will gather around anything novel and lower their > heads to sniff it. It is proven rabid cows can shed rabies virus in their > milk. Now imagine you have been buying raw milk from this herd to give your > baby girl. > Imagine you have been selling raw milk from a cow who is now standing in > front of you unable to swallow, down in milk and the vet telling you if she > doesn't respond to treatmetn for listeria her head needs to go to the state > lab for rabies testing cause that skunk came back positive. > > -4H lamb starts acting funny, becomes unable to walk and is euthanized. > Comes back positive for rabies. Never known to have been bitten by any > animal although parents of the kid do remember treating what they thought > were shearing nicks on the lamb. Since the kids and parents in the club all > share equipment and help each other out getting ready for shows everyone who > could have had contact with the lamb- most of them kids under the age of 12- > have to get rabies postexposure series. > > -Beloved aging pony is being used once again for pony rides and petting at > the spring carnival at the elementary school. You can buy pony treats 2 for > a quarter to feed him, proceeds benefit the SBDC, we're hoping to buy all > new music instruemnts this year, keep your hand flat, yes he DOES slobber a > lot doesn't he, okay, next please, hey, stay in line and take turns... Old > Joe is a little wobbly this year, we don't do much with him anymore, we > didn't even realize he had that little sore place on his leg, must be from > some old barb wire out there somewhere but it looks like it's healing up > okay so we don't need the vet to take a look at it; guess we ought to retire > old Joe and find another pony for next year though. Gets wobblier the next > day, goes down the day after that, vet gets called out to pu thim down on > the third day only he dies of a seizure before the vet gets there. Well, he > was old and it was a hot day, we all feel terrible because we must have > overstressed him. > Now how would you feel if it were YOUR kid getting slobbered on by an > unvaccinated animal with an untreated wound who dies of an undiagnosed > neurological problem 3 days later? How would you feel if it were your pony? > > So again, what are the odds any given animal or person will be exposed? > Really, excruciatingly, vanishingly small. > What are the odds I want to see a kid, mine or someone else's, at risk for > rabies? Absolute zero. > So all my ewes are vaccinated for rabies, as are the dogs and cats (even the > strictly indoor ones!) and the show and tell pet goats. I recommend any > mammal that is going to be in close contact with people on a regular basis > be vaccinated. Do reactions happen? Sure- had a lamb die two years ago, we > were also giving other vaccines at the same time. That's one animal out of > about five thousand doses I have given in the last decade. Even were the > rate ten times higher I would still vaccinate, although I'd push the > manufacturers hard to make it safer! > That's how I feel as a vet, producer and mother in a rabies endemic area. > Others may feel justifiably different in a different area with different > disease prevalence and risks. > Eden Myers > Mt Sterling KY > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 First, I don't believe vaccinations are all that wonderful or safe. Second, the thought of paying the vet to come out here yearly to vaccinate all of our animals makes me cringe. Don't know what's up in your state but in TN farmers are not allowed to purchase the vaccine which makes me think that rabies isn't such a big deal. If it were we'd be allowed to take care of our animals ourselves. Sounds like a money making scheme to me! Belinda > > I am coming late to this discussion. I am a veterinarian, mother and > livestock producer in an area where we have multiple cases of rabies > confirmed every year in both ag and non ag species. > I believe any mammal that will be touched on a regular basis by a human > should be vaccinated for rabies. What are the odds of any particular animal > getting rabies? Astronomically low. What are the odds you will be exposed > and not realize it? Still fairly small. What are the odds you die if you > do get rabies? 100%. > Imagine the following scenarios: > > -Dairy producer finds sick skunk in the holding pen of the milking parlor. > Several cows have scratches on their noses. Skunk comes back positive for > rabies. Scratces could have been from weeds in the pasture, or could have > been from skunk- cows will gather around anything novel and lower their > heads to sniff it. It is proven rabid cows can shed rabies virus in their > milk. Now imagine you have been buying raw milk from this herd to give your > baby girl. > Imagine you have been selling raw milk from a cow who is now standing in > front of you unable to swallow, down in milk and the vet telling you if she > doesn't respond to treatmetn for listeria her head needs to go to the state > lab for rabies testing cause that skunk came back positive. > > -4H lamb starts acting funny, becomes unable to walk and is euthanized. > Comes back positive for rabies. Never known to have been bitten by any > animal although parents of the kid do remember treating what they thought > were shearing nicks on the lamb. Since the kids and parents in the club all > share equipment and help each other out getting ready for shows everyone who > could have had contact with the lamb- most of them kids under the age of 12- > have to get rabies postexposure series. > > -Beloved aging pony is being used once again for pony rides and petting at > the spring carnival at the elementary school. You can buy pony treats 2 for > a quarter to feed him, proceeds benefit the SBDC, we're hoping to buy all > new music instruemnts this year, keep your hand flat, yes he DOES slobber a > lot doesn't he, okay, next please, hey, stay in line and take turns... Old > Joe is a little wobbly this year, we don't do much with him anymore, we > didn't even realize he had that little sore place on his leg, must be from > some old barb wire out there somewhere but it looks like it's healing up > okay so we don't need the vet to take a look at it; guess we ought to retire > old Joe and find another pony for next year though. Gets wobblier the next > day, goes down the day after that, vet gets called out to pu thim down on > the third day only he dies of a seizure before the vet gets there. Well, he > was old and it was a hot day, we all feel terrible because we must have > overstressed him. > Now how would you feel if it were YOUR kid getting slobbered on by an > unvaccinated animal with an untreated wound who dies of an undiagnosed > neurological problem 3 days later? How would you feel if it were your pony? > > So again, what are the odds any given animal or person will be exposed? > Really, excruciatingly, vanishingly small. > What are the odds I want to see a kid, mine or someone else's, at risk for > rabies? Absolute zero. > So all my ewes are vaccinated for rabies, as are the dogs and cats (even the > strictly indoor ones!) and the show and tell pet goats. I recommend any > mammal that is going to be in close contact with people on a regular basis > be vaccinated. Do reactions happen? Sure- had a lamb die two years ago, we > were also giving other vaccines at the same time. That's one animal out of > about five thousand doses I have given in the last decade. Even were the > rate ten times higher I would still vaccinate, although I'd push the > manufacturers hard to make it safer! > That's how I feel as a vet, producer and mother in a rabies endemic area. > Others may feel justifiably different in a different area with different > disease prevalence and risks. > Eden Myers > Mt Sterling KY > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 I'm not a big believer in vaccinations either, but Rabies is the one vaccination that I make sure the cattle get. Why? Because I had a young heifer die of rabies. (Too young to be vaccinated). That was just the beginning of the nightmare. After taking the animal to the State University, the State Vet's office issued an order quarantining my whole farm for 60 days. I had to put up warning tape everywhere, and build fences within fences to protect people from touching the cows. I was soley responsible for the safety of the entire world that might pass by. No help from anyone, just an order. My wife and I had to get rabies shots at over $1000 each, not covered by insurance. The insurance company says you must get the shots at a doctor's office to be covered. No doctors keep such a seldom requested vaccine so we had to get the shots at the hospital, how convenient for the insurance company. We had a couple of farm visitors who may or may not have had contact with the animal, we paid for their rabies shots too. Rabies may not be prevalent everywhere, but it is in the Northeast. Just because it is uncommon somewhere doesn't mean it will always be so, it seems to run in cycles. > > > > I am coming late to this discussion. I am a veterinarian, mother and > > livestock producer in an area where we have multiple cases of rabies > > confirmed every year in both ag and non ag species. > > I believe any mammal that will be touched on a regular basis by a human > > should be vaccinated for rabies. What are the odds of any > particular animal > > getting rabies? Astronomically low. What are the odds you will be > exposed > > and not realize it? Still fairly small. What are the odds you die > if you > > do get rabies? 100%. > > Imagine the following scenarios: > > > > -Dairy producer finds sick skunk in the holding pen of the milking > parlor. > > Several cows have scratches on their noses. Skunk comes back > positive for > > rabies. Scratces could have been from weeds in the pasture, or > could have > > been from skunk- cows will gather around anything novel and lower their > > heads to sniff it. It is proven rabid cows can shed rabies virus in > their > > milk. Now imagine you have been buying raw milk from this herd to > give your > > baby girl. > > Imagine you have been selling raw milk from a cow who is now standing in > > front of you unable to swallow, down in milk and the vet telling you > if she > > doesn't respond to treatmetn for listeria her head needs to go to > the state > > lab for rabies testing cause that skunk came back positive. > > > > -4H lamb starts acting funny, becomes unable to walk and is euthanized. > > Comes back positive for rabies. Never known to have been bitten by any > > animal although parents of the kid do remember treating what they > thought > > were shearing nicks on the lamb. Since the kids and parents in the > club all > > share equipment and help each other out getting ready for shows > everyone who > > could have had contact with the lamb- most of them kids under the > age of 12- > > have to get rabies postexposure series. > > > > -Beloved aging pony is being used once again for pony rides and > petting at > > the spring carnival at the elementary school. You can buy pony > treats 2 for > > a quarter to feed him, proceeds benefit the SBDC, we're hoping to > buy all > > new music instruemnts this year, keep your hand flat, yes he DOES > slobber a > > lot doesn't he, okay, next please, hey, stay in line and take > turns... Old > > Joe is a little wobbly this year, we don't do much with him anymore, we > > didn't even realize he had that little sore place on his leg, must > be from > > some old barb wire out there somewhere but it looks like it's healing up > > okay so we don't need the vet to take a look at it; guess we ought > to retire > > old Joe and find another pony for next year though. Gets wobblier > the next > > day, goes down the day after that, vet gets called out to pu thim > down on > > the third day only he dies of a seizure before the vet gets there. > Well, he > > was old and it was a hot day, we all feel terrible because we must have > > overstressed him. > > Now how would you feel if it were YOUR kid getting slobbered on by an > > unvaccinated animal with an untreated wound who dies of an undiagnosed > > neurological problem 3 days later? How would you feel if it were > your pony? > > > > So again, what are the odds any given animal or person will be exposed? > > Really, excruciatingly, vanishingly small. > > What are the odds I want to see a kid, mine or someone else's, at > risk for > > rabies? Absolute zero. > > So all my ewes are vaccinated for rabies, as are the dogs and cats > (even the > > strictly indoor ones!) and the show and tell pet goats. I recommend any > > mammal that is going to be in close contact with people on a regular > basis > > be vaccinated. Do reactions happen? Sure- had a lamb die two years > ago, we > > were also giving other vaccines at the same time. That's one animal > out of > > about five thousand doses I have given in the last decade. Even > were the > > rate ten times higher I would still vaccinate, although I'd push the > > manufacturers hard to make it safer! > > That's how I feel as a vet, producer and mother in a rabies endemic > area. > > Others may feel justifiably different in a different area with different > > disease prevalence and risks. > > Eden Myers > > Mt Sterling KY > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 I'm not a big believer in vaccinations either, but Rabies is the one vaccination that I make sure the cattle get. Why? Because I had a young heifer die of rabies. (Too young to be vaccinated). That was just the beginning of the nightmare. After taking the animal to the State University, the State Vet's office issued an order quarantining my whole farm for 60 days. I had to put up warning tape everywhere, and build fences within fences to protect people from touching the cows. I was soley responsible for the safety of the entire world that might pass by. No help from anyone, just an order. My wife and I had to get rabies shots at over $1000 each, not covered by insurance. The insurance company says you must get the shots at a doctor's office to be covered. No doctors keep such a seldom requested vaccine so we had to get the shots at the hospital, how convenient for the insurance company. We had a couple of farm visitors who may or may not have had contact with the animal, we paid for their rabies shots too. Rabies may not be prevalent everywhere, but it is in the Northeast. Just because it is uncommon somewhere doesn't mean it will always be so, it seems to run in cycles. > > > > I am coming late to this discussion. I am a veterinarian, mother and > > livestock producer in an area where we have multiple cases of rabies > > confirmed every year in both ag and non ag species. > > I believe any mammal that will be touched on a regular basis by a human > > should be vaccinated for rabies. What are the odds of any > particular animal > > getting rabies? Astronomically low. What are the odds you will be > exposed > > and not realize it? Still fairly small. What are the odds you die > if you > > do get rabies? 100%. > > Imagine the following scenarios: > > > > -Dairy producer finds sick skunk in the holding pen of the milking > parlor. > > Several cows have scratches on their noses. Skunk comes back > positive for > > rabies. Scratces could have been from weeds in the pasture, or > could have > > been from skunk- cows will gather around anything novel and lower their > > heads to sniff it. It is proven rabid cows can shed rabies virus in > their > > milk. Now imagine you have been buying raw milk from this herd to > give your > > baby girl. > > Imagine you have been selling raw milk from a cow who is now standing in > > front of you unable to swallow, down in milk and the vet telling you > if she > > doesn't respond to treatmetn for listeria her head needs to go to > the state > > lab for rabies testing cause that skunk came back positive. > > > > -4H lamb starts acting funny, becomes unable to walk and is euthanized. > > Comes back positive for rabies. Never known to have been bitten by any > > animal although parents of the kid do remember treating what they > thought > > were shearing nicks on the lamb. Since the kids and parents in the > club all > > share equipment and help each other out getting ready for shows > everyone who > > could have had contact with the lamb- most of them kids under the > age of 12- > > have to get rabies postexposure series. > > > > -Beloved aging pony is being used once again for pony rides and > petting at > > the spring carnival at the elementary school. You can buy pony > treats 2 for > > a quarter to feed him, proceeds benefit the SBDC, we're hoping to > buy all > > new music instruemnts this year, keep your hand flat, yes he DOES > slobber a > > lot doesn't he, okay, next please, hey, stay in line and take > turns... Old > > Joe is a little wobbly this year, we don't do much with him anymore, we > > didn't even realize he had that little sore place on his leg, must > be from > > some old barb wire out there somewhere but it looks like it's healing up > > okay so we don't need the vet to take a look at it; guess we ought > to retire > > old Joe and find another pony for next year though. Gets wobblier > the next > > day, goes down the day after that, vet gets called out to pu thim > down on > > the third day only he dies of a seizure before the vet gets there. > Well, he > > was old and it was a hot day, we all feel terrible because we must have > > overstressed him. > > Now how would you feel if it were YOUR kid getting slobbered on by an > > unvaccinated animal with an untreated wound who dies of an undiagnosed > > neurological problem 3 days later? How would you feel if it were > your pony? > > > > So again, what are the odds any given animal or person will be exposed? > > Really, excruciatingly, vanishingly small. > > What are the odds I want to see a kid, mine or someone else's, at > risk for > > rabies? Absolute zero. > > So all my ewes are vaccinated for rabies, as are the dogs and cats > (even the > > strictly indoor ones!) and the show and tell pet goats. I recommend any > > mammal that is going to be in close contact with people on a regular > basis > > be vaccinated. Do reactions happen? Sure- had a lamb die two years > ago, we > > were also giving other vaccines at the same time. That's one animal > out of > > about five thousand doses I have given in the last decade. Even > were the > > rate ten times higher I would still vaccinate, although I'd push the > > manufacturers hard to make it safer! > > That's how I feel as a vet, producer and mother in a rabies endemic > area. > > Others may feel justifiably different in a different area with different > > disease prevalence and risks. > > Eden Myers > > Mt Sterling KY > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Something to put this all in perspective: http://www.whale.to/vaccine/rabies.html Taken from Poisoned Needle by E. McBean Rabies was an old superstition. As well as: http://www.vaclib.org/intro/rabies.htm The two fundamental mistakes of vaccination are: 1. Virus " causes disease " . In fact, frequently specific virus are found within a body without disease. Sometimes a specific disease is found without an associated virus. 2. Antibodies protect or neutralize virus. In fact, the vast majority of people are immune to a specific disease even if antibodies to that disease have never been developed. The presence of specific antibodies in one's bloodstream does not prevent developing the specific disease symptom. You cannot give a healthy person an infectious disease simply by exposing them to virus. ....sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Something to put this all in perspective: http://www.whale.to/vaccine/rabies.html Taken from Poisoned Needle by E. McBean Rabies was an old superstition. As well as: http://www.vaclib.org/intro/rabies.htm The two fundamental mistakes of vaccination are: 1. Virus " causes disease " . In fact, frequently specific virus are found within a body without disease. Sometimes a specific disease is found without an associated virus. 2. Antibodies protect or neutralize virus. In fact, the vast majority of people are immune to a specific disease even if antibodies to that disease have never been developed. The presence of specific antibodies in one's bloodstream does not prevent developing the specific disease symptom. You cannot give a healthy person an infectious disease simply by exposing them to virus. ....sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Wow! For people who want facts and research, you are going to put your faith in THAT article? Its just a bunch of quotes from people, mostly from a long time ago, with absolutely no facts or footnotes to back it up! Where is the research to back up their quotes? I would hardly put my faith in research from scientists in 1922 who said they had never seen a single case of rabies. Technology has come along way in 100 years. Come on guys, it goes both ways. If you want hard research from people saying that a vaccine can be useful against a rare but devistating disease, than you should also provide hard documentation to prove that the vaccine is more harmful than getting the disease itself. And about the 2 points that follow: 1) you are right--you can get a disease without a virus. Not all diseases are viral!! Has anyone heard of bacterial meningitis? Caused by a bacertia, not a virus. And it is true that you can have a virus and not get sick. It depends on the level of the virus and how strong your immune system is. 2) you most certainly can be healthy and get an infectious disease. Anyone hear about AIDS? Or any other sexually transmitted disease? If that statement were true, we would all be healthy and infectious diseases would die out. Jen Re: Re: rabies shot Something to put this all in perspective:http://www.whale. to/vaccine/ rabies.htmlTaken from Poisoned Needle by E. McBeanRabies was an old superstition.As well as:http://www.vaclib. org/intro/ rabies.htmThe two fundamental mistakes of vaccination are:1. Virus "causes disease". In fact, frequently specific virus are found within a body without disease. Sometimes a specific disease is found without an associated virus.2. Antibodies protect or neutralize virus. In fact, the vast majority of people are immune to a specific disease even if antibodies to that disease have never been developed. The presence of specific antibodies in one's bloodstream does not prevent developing the specific disease symptom. You cannot give a healthy person an infectious disease simply by exposing them to virus....sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Wow! For people who want facts and research, you are going to put your faith in THAT article? Its just a bunch of quotes from people, mostly from a long time ago, with absolutely no facts or footnotes to back it up! Where is the research to back up their quotes? I would hardly put my faith in research from scientists in 1922 who said they had never seen a single case of rabies. Technology has come along way in 100 years. Come on guys, it goes both ways. If you want hard research from people saying that a vaccine can be useful against a rare but devistating disease, than you should also provide hard documentation to prove that the vaccine is more harmful than getting the disease itself. And about the 2 points that follow: 1) you are right--you can get a disease without a virus. Not all diseases are viral!! Has anyone heard of bacterial meningitis? Caused by a bacertia, not a virus. And it is true that you can have a virus and not get sick. It depends on the level of the virus and how strong your immune system is. 2) you most certainly can be healthy and get an infectious disease. Anyone hear about AIDS? Or any other sexually transmitted disease? If that statement were true, we would all be healthy and infectious diseases would die out. Jen Re: Re: rabies shot Something to put this all in perspective:http://www.whale. to/vaccine/ rabies.htmlTaken from Poisoned Needle by E. McBeanRabies was an old superstition.As well as:http://www.vaclib. org/intro/ rabies.htmThe two fundamental mistakes of vaccination are:1. Virus "causes disease". In fact, frequently specific virus are found within a body without disease. Sometimes a specific disease is found without an associated virus.2. Antibodies protect or neutralize virus. In fact, the vast majority of people are immune to a specific disease even if antibodies to that disease have never been developed. The presence of specific antibodies in one's bloodstream does not prevent developing the specific disease symptom. You cannot give a healthy person an infectious disease simply by exposing them to virus....sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Jen, http://www.anthraxvaccine.org/vaccinearticles.htm michaelSubject: Re: Re: rabies shotTo: RawDairy Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 6:44 AM Wow! For people who want facts and research, you are going to put your faith in THAT article? Its just a bunch of quotes from people, mostly from a long time ago, with absolutely no facts or footnotes to back it up! Where is the research to back up their quotes? I would hardly put my faith in research from scientists in 1922 who said they had never seen a single case of rabies. Technology has come along way in 100 years. Come on guys, it goes both ways. If you want hard research from people saying that a vaccine can be useful against a rare but devistating disease, than you should also provide hard documentation to prove that the vaccine is more harmful than getting the disease itself. And about the 2 points that follow: 1) you are right--you can get a disease without a virus. Not all diseases are viral!! Has anyone heard of bacterial meningitis? Caused by a bacertia, not a virus. And it is true that you can have a virus and not get sick. It depends on the level of the virus and how strong your immune system is. 2) you most certainly can be healthy and get an infectious disease. Anyone hear about AIDS? Or any other sexually transmitted disease? If that statement were true, we would all be healthy and infectious diseases would die out. Jen Re: Re: rabies shot Something to put this all in perspective:http://www.whale. to/vaccine/ rabies.htmlTaken from Poisoned Needle by E. McBeanRabies was an old superstition.As well as:http://www.vaclib. org/intro/ rabies.htmThe two fundamental mistakes of vaccination are:1. Virus "causes disease". In fact, frequently specific virus are found within a body without disease. Sometimes a specific disease is found without an associated virus.2. Antibodies protect or neutralize virus. In fact, the vast majority of people are immune to a specific disease even if antibodies to that disease have never been developed. The presence of specific antibodies in one's bloodstream does not prevent developing the specific disease symptom. You cannot give a healthy person an infectious disease simply by exposing them to virus....sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Jen, http://www.anthraxvaccine.org/vaccinearticles.htm michaelSubject: Re: Re: rabies shotTo: RawDairy Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 6:44 AM Wow! For people who want facts and research, you are going to put your faith in THAT article? Its just a bunch of quotes from people, mostly from a long time ago, with absolutely no facts or footnotes to back it up! Where is the research to back up their quotes? I would hardly put my faith in research from scientists in 1922 who said they had never seen a single case of rabies. Technology has come along way in 100 years. Come on guys, it goes both ways. If you want hard research from people saying that a vaccine can be useful against a rare but devistating disease, than you should also provide hard documentation to prove that the vaccine is more harmful than getting the disease itself. And about the 2 points that follow: 1) you are right--you can get a disease without a virus. Not all diseases are viral!! Has anyone heard of bacterial meningitis? Caused by a bacertia, not a virus. And it is true that you can have a virus and not get sick. It depends on the level of the virus and how strong your immune system is. 2) you most certainly can be healthy and get an infectious disease. Anyone hear about AIDS? Or any other sexually transmitted disease? If that statement were true, we would all be healthy and infectious diseases would die out. Jen Re: Re: rabies shot Something to put this all in perspective:http://www.whale. to/vaccine/ rabies.htmlTaken from Poisoned Needle by E. McBeanRabies was an old superstition.As well as:http://www.vaclib. org/intro/ rabies.htmThe two fundamental mistakes of vaccination are:1. Virus "causes disease". In fact, frequently specific virus are found within a body without disease. Sometimes a specific disease is found without an associated virus.2. Antibodies protect or neutralize virus. In fact, the vast majority of people are immune to a specific disease even if antibodies to that disease have never been developed. The presence of specific antibodies in one's bloodstream does not prevent developing the specific disease symptom. You cannot give a healthy person an infectious disease simply by exposing them to virus....sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Jen, http://www.anthraxvaccine.org/vaccinearticles.htm michaelSubject: Re: Re: rabies shotTo: RawDairy Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 6:44 AM Wow! For people who want facts and research, you are going to put your faith in THAT article? Its just a bunch of quotes from people, mostly from a long time ago, with absolutely no facts or footnotes to back it up! Where is the research to back up their quotes? I would hardly put my faith in research from scientists in 1922 who said they had never seen a single case of rabies. Technology has come along way in 100 years. Come on guys, it goes both ways. If you want hard research from people saying that a vaccine can be useful against a rare but devistating disease, than you should also provide hard documentation to prove that the vaccine is more harmful than getting the disease itself. And about the 2 points that follow: 1) you are right--you can get a disease without a virus. Not all diseases are viral!! Has anyone heard of bacterial meningitis? Caused by a bacertia, not a virus. And it is true that you can have a virus and not get sick. It depends on the level of the virus and how strong your immune system is. 2) you most certainly can be healthy and get an infectious disease. Anyone hear about AIDS? Or any other sexually transmitted disease? If that statement were true, we would all be healthy and infectious diseases would die out. Jen Re: Re: rabies shot Something to put this all in perspective:http://www.whale. to/vaccine/ rabies.htmlTaken from Poisoned Needle by E. McBeanRabies was an old superstition.As well as:http://www.vaclib. org/intro/ rabies.htmThe two fundamental mistakes of vaccination are:1. Virus "causes disease". In fact, frequently specific virus are found within a body without disease. Sometimes a specific disease is found without an associated virus.2. Antibodies protect or neutralize virus. In fact, the vast majority of people are immune to a specific disease even if antibodies to that disease have never been developed. The presence of specific antibodies in one's bloodstream does not prevent developing the specific disease symptom. You cannot give a healthy person an infectious disease simply by exposing them to virus....sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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