Veggies/tumors/carnivors/dogs

[Guest guest]

Cats are obligate carnivores, meaning they must have meat in their diets.

Dogs are not obligate carnivores. I don't think it was the fact that they

were fed a vegetarian diet that led to the dogs getting cancer. Two other

things: the overwhelming majority of commercially produced dog and cat food

is made from meat that was determined to be unfit for human consumption (from

4D animals- downed, diseased, dying and I believe the last is decaying). The

animal goes in tumors and all (this is documented). Also, dead cats and dogs

that have not been buried by their owners, are sold in great quantity to pet

food manufacturers by vets,etc., and in they go, cancerous growths, flea

collars and all into the shredder (also documented). It is thought (although

this part is conjecture, not documented) that this is why there is such a

rise in cancers, etc. in the veterinary world. There are a handful of brands

that do not use " 4D " animals or other dogs and cats in their food. The ones

I know of are: Wysong, Flynt River Ranch and Halo Purely for Pets (Spots

Stew). Spot's Stew claims to only use USDA human grade chicken. I don't

have any affiliation, financial or otherwise, with these pet food companies!

By the way, vegans have the lowest rates of breast and colon cancer,

heart disease and strokes, followed by lacto ovo vegetarians and then

omnivores. By way of illustration, The Association for the Advancement of

Science concluded that " populations on a high meat diet are more likely to

develop colon cancer than individuals on vegetarian or similar low meat

diets " .

Also, Dr. Gio Gori, the then Deputy Director of the National Cancer

Institute's Division of Cancer Cause and Prevention and director of their

Diet, Nutrition and Cancer Program, testified before Congress that " the

accumulation of evidence makes this notion not only possible but certain . .

.. (the) dietary factors responsible (for cancer) are principally meat and fat

intake. "

Also re: colon cancer, The Journal of the National Cancer Institute

wrote: " Risks of beef, pork and chicken all rose with frequency of use, and

the composite picture suggests an underlying dose-response relationship. "

About breast cancer: Dr. Takeshi Hirayama at the National Cancer

Research Institute in Tokoyo, Japan has studied approximately 122,000 people

for decades. Those who eat meat daily face an almost 4 times greater risk of

breast cancer than those who eat little or no meat. Similarly, though less

pronounced, the more eggs, butter and cheese consumed, the more breast

cancer.

[Guest guest]

Message text written by INTERNET:onelist

> they are environmentalists and use only biodegradable,

non-scented products to clean. i can't help but think that dogs need meat

and perhaps humans do to.<

Dogs that do not eat what they are designed to process are slowly

starving. Perhaps they shouldn't have dogs if they can't accept the food

chain? I know it must be hard to watch and I'm sorry you have to.

Christa

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I will try to keep posts more brief. Actually this whole thing has

been off topic, I think we have all posted enough on this for now. Thanks

for your good wishes!

[Guest guest]

Just one last thing on this and that is I did not mean to suggest that I

think that a vegetarian diet would be ideal for a dog! I certainly do not

and I think it is intuitively and in other ways obvious that dogs do best as

omnivores. Just had wanted to point out that, unlike cats, they are not

obligate carnivores, meaning that they do not absolutely need flesh foods

(cats do).