RE: NK cell function - Christie

[Guest guest]

Christie - Are you familiar with MGN3? What luck did you have with it? It

was prescribed by my naturopathic physician (N.D.) specifically to raise

natural killer cell levels.

At the bottom of the CFIDS trough, about 1995, I had 11 NK cells. It is not

difficult to measure - I have had it done 4-5 times by different docs. My

doc said we would celebrate when I reached 20. One year later, after

numerous drips,supplements, etc, I had 19 NK cells. It wasn't until years

later that someone told me that below 50 was a serious danger zone. One of

the things I have used ( and my NK cell level is now normal) has been MGN3.

Anybody else with experience on this please reply?

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>From: " Jacques & Nelly " <janel@...>

> list <onelist>

>Subject: " root cause " and " intermediate cause "

>Date: Thu, Dec 2, 1999, 3:05 AM

>

>From: " Jacques & Nelly " <janel@...>

>

>Christie wrote:

>> I certainly have mixed feelings about interferon now at least for myself.

>> I don't know what part of immune system is depressed or increased! Just

>> wish doctors had better understanding and were more willing to test for

>> T-cell and NK cell function.

>Christie, and all

>

>Always the same issue about what is " root cause " and what is " intermediate

>cause " (as I call it to myself). Example: if we consider an intracellular

>infection as the root cause (which I have decided to do for the time being),

>then the " intermediate causes " of sx will be smthng like: constriction of

>blood vessels through release of toxins, blood thickening through the fibrin

>connection, release of cytokines (and binding of the aforementioned

>cytokines onto these receptor sites), activation of some parts of the immune

>syst and auto-immunity processes etc. etc. and there are several

>hierarchically dependent intermediate causes, of course).

>Now, one could choose to take one of my " intermediate cause " as their " root

>cause " . And in fact this is what some people do, like

>Hemex/hypercoagulation. I don't think I have a pb with this, as it ends up

>becoming circular anyway! As I said before, I think we are getting places

>describing all the different processes that are going on, and every bit

>helps. Then it's a question of deciding where in the circle we can best

>intervene.

>

>One day, when I'm a bit better, I'd like to write up a large diagram with

>all the bits in (like a family tree!), and see how all the observations fit

>one bigger picture. My money (as you might've gathered!) is on the

> " infection as root cause " . I think most of the bits fit in very neatly. But

>I'm willing to also put some money on " immune dysfunction " as a " co-root

>cause " .

>

>Nelly (your friendly CFIDS war correspondant on the Paris Front.)

>

>>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

>other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

>discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have seen this supplement, but have not used it, nor has it been

suggested to me. How long did it take to have an effect with you? Also

was NK test an out of pocket expense?

Take care,

Christie

>From: " Springer " <katspring@...>

>

>Christie - Are you familiar with MGN3? What luck did you have with it? It

>was prescribed by my naturopathic physician (N.D.) specifically to raise

>natural killer cell levels.

>

>At the bottom of the CFIDS trough, about 1995, I had 11 NK cells. It is not

>difficult to measure - I have had it done 4-5 times by different docs. My

>doc said we would celebrate when I reached 20. One year later, after

>numerous drips,supplements, etc, I had 19 NK cells. It wasn't until years

>later that someone told me that below 50 was a serious danger zone. One of

>the things I have used ( and my NK cell level is now normal) has been MGN3.

>Anybody else with experience on this please reply?

>

[Guest guest]

Christie - I dont see why the NK cell test should not be covered by

insurance - it's another blood test which two doctors have done for me

periodically and the insurance has never questioned me.

I cant say that the supplement MGN3 alone was responsible. I've taken an

awful lot of stuff over the last few years. Also , I didn't know about it

during the year when I went from ll to 19 NK cells, only used it over the

last year. However my N.D. is extremely good and works with a lot of cancer

patients on immune function. In addition, the ONLY thing this supplement

says it will do is increase NK cells. It is a proprietary formula, I think

mushroom based.

Lane Labs - 1-800-LANE-005 for " questions and comments " . I don't know if

you can get it outside a practitioner, but you can always ask. It is not

inexpensive (cant remember exactly) but seems the only serious game in town.

Cheers,

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>From: " C.Tab. " <tab@...>

>onelist

>Subject: Re: NK cell function - Christie

>Date: Thu, Dec 2, 1999, 9:53 PM

>

>From: " C.Tab. " <tab@...>

>

>

>Hi,

>

>I have seen this supplement, but have not used it, nor has it been

>suggested to me. How long did it take to have an effect with you? Also

>was NK test an out of pocket expense?

>

>Take care,

>

>Christie

>

>

>

>>From: " Springer " <katspring@...>

>>

>>Christie - Are you familiar with MGN3? What luck did you have with it? It

>>was prescribed by my naturopathic physician (N.D.) specifically to raise

>>natural killer cell levels.

>>

>>At the bottom of the CFIDS trough, about 1995, I had 11 NK cells. It is not

>>difficult to measure - I have had it done 4-5 times by different docs. My

>>doc said we would celebrate when I reached 20. One year later, after

>>numerous drips,supplements, etc, I had 19 NK cells. It wasn't until years

>>later that someone told me that below 50 was a serious danger zone. One of

>>the things I have used ( and my NK cell level is now normal) has been MGN3.

>>Anybody else with experience on this please reply?

>>

>

>>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

>other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

>discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

> Re: NK cell function - Christie

> >Date: Thu, Dec 2, 1999, 9:53 PM

> >

>

> >From: " C.Tab. " <tab@...>

> >

> >

> >Hi,

> >

> >I have seen this supplement, but have not used it, nor has it been

> >suggested to me. How long did it take to have an effect

> with you? Also

> >was NK test an out of pocket expense?

> >

> >Take care,

> >

> >Christie

> >

> >

> >

> >>From: " Springer " <katspring@...>

> >>

> >>Christie - Are you familiar with MGN3? What luck did you

> have with it? It

> >>was prescribed by my naturopathic physician (N.D.)

> specifically to raise

> >>natural killer cell levels.

> >>

> >>At the bottom of the CFIDS trough, about 1995, I had 11 NK

> cells. It is not

> >>difficult to measure - I have had it done 4-5 times by

> different docs. My

> >>doc said we would celebrate when I reached 20. One year

> later, after

> >>numerous drips,supplements, etc, I had 19 NK cells. It

> wasn't until years

> >>later that someone told me that below 50 was a serious

> danger zone. One of

> >>the things I have used ( and my NK cell level is now

> normal) has been MGN3.

> >>Anybody else with experience on this please reply?

> >>

> >

> >>This list is intended for patients to share personal

> experiences with each

> >other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in

> any treatment

> >discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Arrgh! Sorry, didn't mean to repost this.

Patti

--

[Guest guest]

L & H Vitamins sell it. NEEDS and Vitamin Shoppe may also.

Phil

Springer wrote:

> From: " Springer " <katspring@...>

>

> Christie - I dont see why the NK cell test should not be covered by

> insurance - it's another blood test which two doctors have done for me

> periodically and the insurance has never questioned me.

>

> I cant say that the supplement MGN3 alone was responsible. I've taken an

> awful lot of stuff over the last few years. Also , I didn't know about it

> during the year when I went from ll to 19 NK cells, only used it over the

> last year. However my N.D. is extremely good and works with a lot of cancer

> patients on immune function. In addition, the ONLY thing this supplement

> says it will do is increase NK cells. It is a proprietary formula, I think

> mushroom based.

>

> Lane Labs - 1-800-LANE-005 for " questions and comments " . I don't know if

> you can get it outside a practitioner, but you can always ask. It is not

> inexpensive (cant remember exactly) but seems the only serious game in town.

> Cheers,

> ----------

> >From: " C.Tab. " <tab@...>

> >onelist

> >Subject: Re: NK cell function - Christie

> >Date: Thu, Dec 2, 1999, 9:53 PM

> >

>

> >From: " C.Tab. " <tab@...>

> >

> >

> >Hi,

> >

> >I have seen this supplement, but have not used it, nor has it been

> >suggested to me. How long did it take to have an effect with you? Also

> >was NK test an out of pocket expense?

> >

> >Take care,

> >

> >Christie

> >

> >

> >

> >>From: " Springer " <katspring@...>

> >>

> >>Christie - Are you familiar with MGN3? What luck did you have with it? It

> >>was prescribed by my naturopathic physician (N.D.) specifically to raise

> >>natural killer cell levels.

> >>

> >>At the bottom of the CFIDS trough, about 1995, I had 11 NK cells. It is not

> >>difficult to measure - I have had it done 4-5 times by different docs. My

> >>doc said we would celebrate when I reached 20. One year later, after

> >>numerous drips,supplements, etc, I had 19 NK cells. It wasn't until years

> >>later that someone told me that below 50 was a serious danger zone. One of

> >>the things I have used ( and my NK cell level is now normal) has been MGN3.

> >>Anybody else with experience on this please reply?

> >>

> >

> >>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> >other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> >discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

>

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.