Dr. Poesnecker

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Someone wondered about Dr. Poesnecker. As I recall, he is a chiropractor

and naturopathic physician with a special interest in CFIDS. He is very

nice. Not an M.D.

Sue B.

upstate New York

[Guest guest]

Hello folks,

We've been quiet on the board due to the fact that we now work for

Dr. Poesnecker. So, needless to say, our opinion will be quite

skewed. has benefitted a great deal from his approach (that the

adrenals and the HPA axis are the primary culprits in this

condition). As you know, not all agree as to the cause, which is the

nature of CFIDS. And everyone is probably right. More than likely

there are different mechanisms at work - hence a " syndrome " with no

known single cause. Dr. Poesnecker's approach is beneficial for

many, but not all. He uses the ASI test as a starting point to begin

his recommendations. The progress can be painfully slow at times and

the combination of products used varies significantly from person to

person. His approach is definitely unconventional, but not without

scientific validation. There has been a great deal of research done

revealing HPA axis dyregulation. I believe that nobody doubts this

connection in many with CFIDS. Dr. Teitelbaum recognizes it. Dr.

Cheney must also since he has been using the Natcell products and

growth hormone recently. In any case, some receive benefit, some do

not. Dr. Poesnecker truly cares and truly believes he can help. He

is 70 plus years old and has had many years of experience dealing

with this condition. He keeps things fairly simple and very

succinct. He is also very tenacious and doesn't give up easily on a

patient. In our same office we also have a DC that specializes in

NAET.

We should also note that the sister organization, a medical center

called Woodlands, just up the road, has a very talented D.O. by the

name of Dr. Kracht. He also specializes in CFIDS and keeps on top of

the latest and greatest approaches and testing for CFIDS and

personally knows Dr. Cheney. It is a bit difficult getting an

appointment with him on short notice.

Hope you all regain your health as your body allows.

The best to all of you, Mark and

[Guest guest]

Hi Mark and ,

Has Dr. Poesnecker ever investigated the 714X perinodular

injectable natural health product developed by Gaston Naessens in

Canada? This product (714X) is designed to improve natural defences

and to stimulate the immune system. The product has been integrated

in the Canadian Emergency Drug Program since January 1990 (Now called

Special Access Program); therefore, it has been applied for various

degenerative diseases, with fantastic results -- but unfortunately in

Canada, access to the program is only for advanced terminal CA

cases. It is interesting to note that 714S was originally

manufactured in 1976. It WAS to be given early in the process of

disease, as soon as some biological imbalances were to be observed in

the Naessens live blood test (using his special microscope). 714X is

the result of MANY years of research and has much more to offer than

the 'last chance' treatment. Nitrogen is the basic active

ingredient, and is transported by molecules of natural camphor.

Camphor is only the carrier -- not the active ingredient. The other

ingredients are two mineral salts, ammonium chloride and sodium

chloride, and there are 18 different trace minerals present. 714X

has a unique mode of intromission. It HAS to be injected in the

lymphatic system according to a specific protocol. The reason for

this special and unusual route, is simple -- patients with

degenerative disease processes or syndromes have lymph fluid which is

clogged up, inducing stagnation and promoting intoxication. 714X

liquefies the lymph system allowing the toxins to be removed from the

body. The entire system need to be cleaned. 714X was introduced

after intensive research was done pertaining the impact of the

quality of lymphatic system, as a potential cause of ALL degenerative

diseases. It is recommended for Lupus, MS, FMS/CFS, Cancer, Aids,

etc. It is recommended that one use the product for 6 to 8 21-day

cycles, or until conventional tests show there is no sign of

disease. Certain types of cancer and aids would indicate an

additional use of 714X (which is an added protocol of inhaling the

product via a nebulizer once every 24 hours). Three products MUST be

avoided while using 714X: B12 and Vitamin E supplements. One can

use the following sources for these two vitamins while using 714X:

Flaxseed oil, bee pollen and royal jelly. The other product that

must be avoided are ALL antiangiogenic products (anything that

shrinks the blood vessels), such as shark or bovine cartilage, or

thalidomide, or others. Currently, 714X is under investigative

research by our National Cancer Institute. This product is NOT

approved by the FDA. This product was the subject in a recent

lawsuit, settled out of court, between CERBE and the Dana-Farber

Cancer Institute in MA, after Dana-Farber researchers started to

study 714X, but shut down the studies under a shroud of secrecy.

Documents showed that Dana-Farber researchers were sharply divided

over the drug's promise. In May, Dana-Farber asked the NCI to

conduct an independent study of 714X. On 8/24/01, the Boston Herald

ran an article concerning 714X, entitled, " Cancer survivors want US

to OK controversial drug " . This protocol came to the attention of

the USA when a 16 year old boy, named Best, ran away from home

because he didn't want to continue with his chemo treatments for

lymphoma. His parents finally found him and begged him to return

home where they prayed and searched for an alternative treatment. He

chose 714X. After being on the product for only 2-1/2 months, his

cancer disappeared completely, and has never returned. He still uses

714X a couple times a year(2 '21-day' treatments) -- just to keep his

immune system and lymph system in top shape. See www.cerbe.com/

and www.grand-strand.com/suebest/714x.htm and

www.sph.uth.tmc.edu/utcam/therapies/714x.htm

; 49 in Midwest; CFS/FMS for about 15 years ??, guai since 11/99

and whey since 10/01.

> Hello folks,

> We've been quiet on the board due to the fact that we now work for

> Dr. Poesnecker. So, needless to say, our opinion will be quite

> skewed. has benefitted a great deal from his approach (that

the

> adrenals and the HPA axis are the primary culprits in this

> condition). As you know, not all agree as to the cause, which is

the

> nature of CFIDS. And everyone is probably right. More than likely

> there are different mechanisms at work - hence a " syndrome " with

no

> known single cause. Dr. Poesnecker's approach is beneficial for

> many, but not all. He uses the ASI test as a starting point to

begin

> his recommendations. The progress can be painfully slow at times

and

> the combination of products used varies significantly from person

to

> person. His approach is definitely unconventional, but not without

> scientific validation. There has been a great deal of research

done

> revealing HPA axis dyregulation. I believe that nobody doubts this

> connection in many with CFIDS. Dr. Teitelbaum recognizes it. Dr.

> Cheney must also since he has been using the Natcell products and

> growth hormone recently. In any case, some receive benefit, some

do

> not. Dr. Poesnecker truly cares and truly believes he can help.

He

> is 70 plus years old and has had many years of experience dealing

> with this condition. He keeps things fairly simple and very

> succinct. He is also very tenacious and doesn't give up easily on

a

> patient. In our same office we also have a DC that specializes in

> NAET.

> We should also note that the sister organization, a medical center

> called Woodlands, just up the road, has a very talented D.O. by the

> name of Dr. Kracht. He also specializes in CFIDS and keeps on top

of

> the latest and greatest approaches and testing for CFIDS and

> personally knows Dr. Cheney. It is a bit difficult getting an

> appointment with him on short notice.

> Hope you all regain your health as your body allows.

> The best to all of you, Mark and

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Thanks for taking the time to promote 714X. First, Dr. Poesnecker is

a ND and DC and not able to inject anything. Not sure if the other

clinic has looked into it. If the FDA has not approved it, it is not

allowed to be used medically. I'm sure individuals do use it and

will continue to do so as long as someone is willing to supply it.

But sorry, not us. Best of luck to you. Is guafenesin working for

you?

Mark and

> Hi Mark and ,

>

> Has Dr. Poesnecker ever investigated the 714X perinodular

> injectable natural health product developed by Gaston Naessens in

> Canada?

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Thanks for taking the time to promote 714X. First, Dr. Poesnecker is

a ND and DC and not able to inject anything. Not sure if the other

clinic has looked into it. If the FDA has not approved it, it is not

allowed to be used medically. I'm sure individuals do use it and

will continue to do so as long as someone is willing to supply it.

But sorry, not us. Best of luck to you. Is guafenesin working for

you?

Mark and

> Hi Mark and ,

>

> Has Dr. Poesnecker ever investigated the 714X perinodular

> injectable natural health product developed by Gaston Naessens in

> Canada?

[Guest guest]

Hi Mark & ,

Dr. Poesnecker would NOT be the one injecting the patient. Each

patient self-injects (or has a family member do so). I just felt

that Dr. Poesnecker might be excited to learn all he could about

Naessens discoveries, and the product he created to correct the

immune system dysfunction. The FDA has NOT approved this product

(714X) because their is TOO much money involved in there NOT being

any medicine available that CURES all degenerative diseases. Doctors

will lose much revenue cause people will be able to recover without

them and without big drug company drugs, especially Cancer! Upon

reading Dr. Poesnecker's web site -- it appears that he believes that

CFS/FMS is caused by a weakened immune system. He also believes in

the research and discovery that those with CFS/FMS and GWI have been

discovered to have strange infectious agents coursing through their

blood; thus destroying their body(organism)little by little. Many

CFS docs are on the right track -- they just haven't pulled all of

the puzzle pieces together yet into one complete picture. After

reading the book about Gaston Naessens and all of the persecution

he's had to endure -- first in France, then in Corsica, and now in

Quebec, I'm convinced that he is a genuine threat to established

medical theories and practices.

He has studied the blood using his own super fantastic microscope for

50 years! He studies LIVE blood -- not dead or stained blood. He

believes that he has discovered the source of life in our blood --

the somatid. His theory is that the somatid is the precursor to

DNA!. It is indestructable. (He has isolated it from the blood and

has tried many methods to destroy it.) From his many years of

observation thru his dark-field microscope (30,000 X & with 150

Angstroms of resolution) -- he has observed that healthy people have

a somatid that goes thru a 3-stage cycle. He believes that the

somatid is responsible for cell division (growth), and cellular

repair. A healthy person has inhibitors in their blood that stop

this cycle at stage 3. Once a person's immune system becomes

dysfunctional due to stress, bad diet, toxins, etc., or a combo of

all -- the person loses the inhibitors in their blood, and the

somatid cycle goes into a 16-stage cycle, which is unhealthy and

damaging. These new cycles are viruses, bacteria, yeast, etc. This

unhealthy somatid cycle creates havoc throughout the bodies systems,

especially the endocrine system. Gaston has studied the blood of

diseased people for so many years -- he can tell when a person is

headed for an autoimmune or degenerative disease before the person

ever has any symptoms. The blood tells the story of where the person

regarding their somatid cycles, that is how many of the somatids are

freaking out and how many are in the last stages of the cycle at one

time. All of these factors determine how ill the person is. He can

tell if someone is on their way to developing cancer, or if they all

ready have it somewhere in their body. The poor immune system keeps

trying to deal with thie somatid 16-cycle havoc until it becomes

exhausted -- whereby cancer cells can multiply unchecked. His theory

is that cancer is a disease of the entire organism -- localized in

one place, which is just the opposite of current medical thinking.

His theory is much too complicated for me to completely understand;

consequently, I can't give it the justice it is due in trying to

explain it. When I read his theory -- I just know that everything in

me felt that I was finally seeing the full picture of CFS/FM, Lupus,

MS, etc. Loud bells went off in my head.....the blood disorders of

CFS like viscous blood, hyper-coagulation, platelet aggregation,

weird bacteria and viruses. I recently had blood tests performed and

noticed that I was above the range for some and under the range for

others. I asked the doc what one of them meant, and she told me I

had too much 'stuff' in my blood, and not enough plasma. She thought

I was probably dehydrated. I told her I drink so much water that I

could all most drown each day. (I've also tested positive for

Sjogren's syndrome -- thus the constant thirst!). Perhaps my blood

has 'too much stuff' in it because of all of the added somatid cycles

which produce the strange entities!!! Sure wish that I could have my

live blood checked by someone who has been trained by Gaston

Naessens. I truly believe that within 20 years -- his theory will

finally be proven -- however much too late to help many that are

suffering today with degenerative diseases and the biggest one--

Cancer. I don't understand why it is possible -- but Americans can

order the natural medicine that Gaston created from Canada without a

script. One only has to self-inject .5 cc of this med into the lymph

system for 21 days (the right lymph node area of groin)-- then rest

for 2 days, and then begin a 21-day cycle again. Many are CURED

after only (3) 21-day treatments. I ordered this product for my

father-in-law. I wanted to see if I could inject myself -- so I took

only .2 cc and did so the other day. It doesn't even hurt because

you have to cool the area for 15 minutes with an ice pack prior to

injection, and then again for 15 minutes after the injection, so that

the camphor in the med doesn't evaporate or dissipate too fast. I

wanted to know what my father-in-law felt during the injection. You

may find the web info about Best very interesting. He was

cured of cancer after only 2-1/2 months of using 714X. Many with

AIDS have been cured, as well as MS. The Canadian government and

medical corporation have done their upmost to slam Gaston and his

714X treatment, and make it almost impossible to obtain or even know

about. The more a medical machine tries to hush a discovery - the

more interested I become in it. There is only one reason they won't

research this discovery -- they know it works and will cause great

havoc to their security and economic structure. Trillions have been

spent on cancer research, and they (our Federal cancer research

agencies) haven't won even one skirmish - let along even become

deeply involved in the war against it. Nixon's war against Cancer

hasn't even begun yet. Just my own personal feelings for what they

are worth! Wouldn't it be so sad -- that the cure is really out

there, but the medical machinery has kept it from us.

Oh, yes, you asked about my success with guai. I have been nearly

pain-free since I began taking it. I'm obviously one of the lucky

ones -- or I've been partially blocking for 2 years. I'm getting my

first mapping on Wednesday this week. I guess I'll see what the

mapper discovers. She claims to have been trained by Dr. St. Amand's

nurse, . I did have TWO complete SAL blockages this summer.

I knew immediately that I must be blocking because the pain was so

horrible and throbbing! The first blockage was with a multiple

vitamin/mineral supplement. I didn't even think about the

bioflavinoids and rose hips in it, and the second time was cause my

pharmacist swore there was no SALS in his compounded progesterone

cream, but there was -- Aloe Vera! I want to soon begin the 714X

treatment -- but I'm afraid to quit my quai. I'll just have to cross

that bridge when I get to it.

; 49 in the Midwest

-- In @y..., Drurys4Him@s... wrote:

Hello ,

Thanks for taking the time to promote 714X. First, Dr. Poesnecker is

a ND and DC and not able to inject anything. Not sure if the other

clinic has looked into it. If the FDA has not approved it, it is not

allowed to be used medically. I'm sure individuals do use it and

will continue to do so as long as someone is willing to supply it.

But sorry, not us. Best of luck to you. Is guafenesin working for

you? Mark and

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>

> > Hi Mark and ,

> >

> > Has Dr. Poesnecker ever investigated the 714X perinodular

> > injectable natural health product developed by Gaston Naessens in

> > Canada?