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My doctor told me he doesn't want me to vomit after my HM....ever!!

Not sure if it even possible or not.

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> Is it possible to vomit after the Heller Myotomy? I have surgery scheduled for

next Tuesday and am trying to figure out what is waiting for me!

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 i dont know about anyone else. i can regurge sometimes but not much and

sometimes i feel i really need to... i did this past weekend (PERHAPS TMI) but i

had eaten half a hamburger and it was NOT working. also i was going to say the

other day someone mentioned hair loss. my hair is normally very thick and it got

very thin before i had my surgery i was getting worried and thinking i was going

to have to do a sinead conner thing. It is all better now..,. Kim

 

 

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I was assured by my surgeon that I could vomit. He was right!

in Santa Barbara

In a message dated 1/30/2012 12:39:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

wendy.taljaard@... writes:

Is it possible to vomit after the Heller Myotomy? I have surgery scheduled

for next Tuesday and am trying to figure out what is waiting for me!

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From what I've read, If you have a partial fundo as opposed to a whole you are

able to vomit but it is VERY, VERY hard, and that is speaking from experience.

I gathered that it's not the HM but the wrap that causes problems.

How can a doctor tell you not to vomit? I had no choice when I had the flu and

my stomach took over.

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Lol! I think they are just letting you know it will be different than it was

before where most of us were vomiting all the time. But vomiting is difficult

for me, now, too. (Heller with partial wrap)

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> From what I've read, If you have a partial fundo as opposed to a whole you are

able to vomit but it is VERY, VERY hard, and that is speaking from experience.

I gathered that it's not the HM but the wrap that causes problems.

> How can a doctor tell you not to vomit? I had no choice when I had the flu

and my stomach took over.

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Drinking too much, roller coasters, motion sickness, stomach flu,

salmonella, listeria, food poisoning, perforated bowel, bowel blockage,

pregnancy, migraines, head injury. . . .etc. Manometry, lol!

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Almost three years post myotomy my son has started having severe spasms

coupled with violent vomiting. After 3 ER visits, we finally agreed to try

niphedipine sublingual for the spasms and zofran for the vomiting. Dr rice

had told us he didn't like using niphedipine, I assumed that was because he

is still a teenager. It worked well for about a month. Now it seems to have

lost it's initial potential. I want to ask those of u who suffer with spasms

this, does forced vomiting quell the spasm? Or is the vomiting happening as

a result of the spasms termination? I know stress in my kid seems to play a

hugh role, even though he claims he is not stressed, looking back on this

last christmas diabolical he was way stressed about college. And it seems

only on hindsight can we see what was causing the stress. Waking today he is

again in the throws of spasms with violent vomiting, almost like dry

heaving. My husband and I have been experiencing some financial decision

making which has cause one or two " discussions " . Could overhearing

conversations trigger a stress response which then demonstrates itself as

spasms with vomiting? How do I teach my kid coping skills, or does the mere

suggestion that it is that simple, howbeit not easy, minimize what is really

happening. Does anyone really know stress causes spasms or do doctors feed u

that because the simply have no other explanation. If u wake from a dead

sleep with spasms followed by vomiting could it truly b said it is stress

induced. Answers? Suggestions?

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salmonella, listeria, food poisoning, perforated bowel, bowel blockage,

pregnancy, migraines, head injury. . . .etc. Manometry, lol!

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I'll speak for myself alone here, having had intense spasms, like you're

describing your son having, for years.  I know that for me, there is a definite

correlation between stress and having spasms.  Of course, it's not the only

thing, but inevitably when I'm experiencing stressful times in my life, I will

have more spasms than in more " calm " times.  When they are the worst, I will

spend most of the day throwing up.  It doesn't help the spasm, but it's not a

nauseous feeling necessarily either.  That probably is hard to understand, but

it just happens.

Stress is a subjective thing too.  What one person might find particularly

stressful might be something that another person wouldn't give a second thought

to.  If someone is stressed about something that is unnecessary to stress about

(say, if it's going to rain today), then making mention of how it's not really

something to spend time worrying about would be reasonable, I would think.  But

financial issues are things that lots of people do stress about, some quite

rightly so.  If your son is hearing your " discussions " , and worrying, then you

could simply try to include him in some of the conversations, or try to make

sure that he understands that you are working the situation out.  Whether that

will help his stress level or not is unknown, but worth a try.  

Also, just because he's waking from sleep with pain doesn't mean that he's not

had stress.  Take it from me... stress can compound and it's not a flip of a

switch that turns it off and on.  

Good luck!  It's dreadful dealing with them, and I wish I had more answers for

you :(

kim in canada

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From: " kotacj@... " <kotacj@...>

achalasia

Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:05 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Vomiting after HM

 

Almost three years post myotomy my son has started having severe spasms

coupled with violent vomiting. After 3 ER visits, we finally agreed to try

niphedipine sublingual for the spasms and zofran for the vomiting. Dr rice

had told us he didn't like using niphedipine, I assumed that was because he

is still a teenager. It worked well for about a month. Now it seems to have

lost it's initial potential. I want to ask those of u who suffer with spasms

this, does forced vomiting quell the spasm? Or is the vomiting happening as

a result of the spasms termination? I know stress in my kid seems to play a

hugh role, even though he claims he is not stressed, looking back on this

last christmas diabolical he was way stressed about college. And it seems

only on hindsight can we see what was causing the stress. Waking today he is

again in the throws of spasms with violent vomiting, almost like dry

heaving. My husband and I have been experiencing some financial decision

making which has cause one or two " discussions " . Could overhearing

conversations trigger a stress response which then demonstrates itself as

spasms with vomiting? How do I teach my kid coping skills, or does the mere

suggestion that it is that simple, howbeit not easy, minimize what is really

happening. Does anyone really know stress causes spasms or do doctors feed u

that because the simply have no other explanation. If u wake from a dead

sleep with spasms followed by vomiting could it truly b said it is stress

induced. Answers? Suggestions?

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

Re: Vomiting after HM

Drinking too much, roller coasters, motion sickness, stomach flu,

salmonella, listeria, food poisoning, perforated bowel, bowel blockage,

pregnancy, migraines, head injury. . . .etc. Manometry, lol!

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> What would cause someone to vomit?

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Kim wrote:

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> ... Take it from me... stress can compound and it's not a flip of a

> switch that turns it off and on. ...

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Exactly right. Stress changes your body chemistry. Those changes effect

many things including neural transmitters and the immune system. The

effects don't just immediately go away when you relax.

notan

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I agree with kim about stress. I left my husband last week and am now able to

enjoy a bit of solid food again. Who knew?!!

J

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Re: Vomiting after HM

Drinking too much, roller coasters, motion sickness, stomach flu,

salmonella, listeria, food poisoning, perforated bowel, bowel blockage,

pregnancy, migraines, head injury. . . .etc. Manometry, lol!

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> What would cause someone to vomit?

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kotacj@... wrote:

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> ... It worked well for about a month. Now it seems to have lost it's

> initial potential. ...

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That often happens with medications to relax the esophagus.

> ... does forced vomiting quell the spasm? Or is the vomiting happening as

> a result of the spasms termination? ...

>

Does he bring anything up? If so does it look like it came from the

stomach or the esophagus? If it is coming from the esophagus then it

could mean there was enough in the esophagus to distend it. Distention

is known to be a trigger for NCCPs and spasms. Does he feel like there

is trapped air before the spasms? A bad belch reflex could also trigger

spasms. Vomiting would be one way of releasing the gas. Has he been

scoped lately? Esophagitis can trigger spasms. So can anything that

irritates the esophagus. Some people say that just a drink of water can

stop their spasms. I wonder if for those that it works it does so

sometimes by washing away a bit of food that got stuck and started

irritating the esophagus. Acid can trigger them. Is he taking a PPI? If

not you could try an OTC one. They are usually half the dose they start

the prescription ones. If he has less spasm with the PPI then acid could

be his trigger. When one starts it is too late for the PPI but he could

try an antacid.

> ... Does anyone really know stress causes spasms ...

>

It causes all kinds of problems and it isn't hard to figure it could

effect having spasms. Many people in this group have related symptoms

and even their first symptoms to times of stress.

notan

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So sorry to hear your son is struggling with spasms. Definitely stress plays a

role, however I too wake in the middle of the night with them. Hard to say what

our subconscious is telling us while asleep.  With regard to the vomiting, for

me it seems like the vomiting comes at the end of a horrific spasm. I almost

welcome it as it usually signifies the " end " of the spasm is near. It's almost

like the E is in spasm to reject what may be caught in there, then finally is

able to eject it and everything calms again. Others may likely have a different

experience...

I've tried all types of medications - the niphedipine never did help me.

Currently I get some relief with Donnatal. Since swallowing is impossible for me

during a spasm, I let it melt sublingualy.  Hopefully it will continue to work.

If stress is indeed a factor and other natural therapies don't help, perhaps you

might want to consider something for anxiety to help through the tough times.

I'm not an advocate of any type of drugs, but I'll do whatever it takes to stave

off a spasm.

I would be interested to hear why Dr. Rice thinks this is happening again since

he's already had a HM.

Kim

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From: " kotacj@... " <kotacj@...>

achalasia

Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:05 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Vomiting after HM

 

Almost three years post myotomy my son has started having severe spasms

coupled with violent vomiting. After 3 ER visits, we finally agreed to try

niphedipine sublingual for the spasms and zofran for the vomiting. Dr rice

had told us he didn't like using niphedipine, I assumed that was because he

is still a teenager. It worked well for about a month. Now it seems to have

lost it's initial potential. I want to ask those of u who suffer with spasms

this, does forced vomiting quell the spasm? Or is the vomiting happening as

a result of the spasms termination? I know stress in my kid seems to play a

hugh role, even though he claims he is not stressed, looking back on this

last christmas diabolical he was way stressed about college. And it seems

only on hindsight can we see what was causing the stress. Waking today he is

again in the throws of spasms with violent vomiting, almost like dry

heaving. My husband and I have been experiencing some financial decision

making which has cause one or two " discussions " . Could overhearing

conversations trigger a stress response which then demonstrates itself as

spasms with vomiting? How do I teach my kid coping skills, or does the mere

suggestion that it is that simple, howbeit not easy, minimize what is really

happening. Does anyone really know stress causes spasms or do doctors feed u

that because the simply have no other explanation. If u wake from a dead

sleep with spasms followed by vomiting could it truly b said it is stress

induced. Answers? Suggestions?

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

Re: Vomiting after HM

Drinking too much, roller coasters, motion sickness, stomach flu,

salmonella, listeria, food poisoning, perforated bowel, bowel blockage,

pregnancy, migraines, head injury. . . .etc. Manometry, lol!

>

> What would cause someone to vomit?

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Notan in response, the emesis appears digested as it is mostly liquid. I am

unsure if he has trapped air. I do know he belches alot. Initially he was

excited about that because prior to the heller he couldn't belch at all. He

was scoped 8 months ago, when he first started experiences these severe

spasms and vomiting and drinking water to arrest them failed to be

effective. His gi doctors said at that time everything looked " good " .

Meaning he saw no dilation and the dor wrap looks good. He does have a

script for nexium. We have tried giving it to him in the morning on an

empty stomach as well as at night to suppress acid at night. The irony here

is he says he doesn't feel heartburn ever. That said he says he doesn't know

if he has heartburn or not as he can't seem to differentiate. I didn't

realize that nexium wouldn't work after a spasm starts if it is related to

heartburn. I will be sure to keep a liquid antacid on hand and may finally

find out if he is experiencing heartburn depending on how well it works.

Other things are he has a low foliate level, which he is supplementing, but

again teenage compliance is a challenge. He also complains of being tired

all the time. I assumed this was due to the low foliate level and it's

relationship to b vitamins, particularly b12, but here I am guessing. Thank

you so much for your input.

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kotacj@... wrote:

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> ... It worked well for about a month. Now it seems to have lost it's

> initial potential. ...

>

That often happens with medications to relax the esophagus.

> ... does forced vomiting quell the spasm? Or is the vomiting happening as

> a result of the spasms termination? ...

>

Does he bring anything up? If so does it look like it came from the

stomach or the esophagus? If it is coming from the esophagus then it

could mean there was enough in the esophagus to distend it. Distention

is known to be a trigger for NCCPs and spasms. Does he feel like there

is trapped air before the spasms? A bad belch reflex could also trigger

spasms. Vomiting would be one way of releasing the gas. Has he been

scoped lately? Esophagitis can trigger spasms. So can anything that

irritates the esophagus. Some people say that just a drink of water can

stop their spasms. I wonder if for those that it works it does so

sometimes by washing away a bit of food that got stuck and started

irritating the esophagus. Acid can trigger them. Is he taking a PPI? If

not you could try an OTC one. They are usually half the dose they start

the prescription ones. If he has less spasm with the PPI then acid could

be his trigger. When one starts it is too late for the PPI but he could

try an antacid.

> ... Does anyone really know stress causes spasms ...

>

It causes all kinds of problems and it isn't hard to figure it could

effect having spasms. Many people in this group have related symptoms

and even their first symptoms to times of stress.

notan

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Kim..it's like this vicious cycle. Stress, spasm,vomit, more stress because of

spasm, more stress because of vomiting, more stress because of spasms, more

stress because of vomiting...etc. pretty soon u have forgotten what the trigger

stress was to start with.

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Re: Vomiting after HM

Drinking too much, roller coasters, motion sickness, stomach flu,

salmonella, listeria, food poisoning, perforated bowel, bowel blockage,

pregnancy, migraines, head injury. . . .etc. Manometry, lol!

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> What would cause someone to vomit?

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I agree 100%... I've lived it for over 6 years now :(  It's a hard thing to

break, that's for sure... but he'll figure it out, with your help :)

kim in canada

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From: " kotacj@... " <kotacj@...>

achalasia

Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:58 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Vomiting after HM

 

Kim..it's like this vicious cycle. Stress, spasm,vomit, more stress because of

spasm, more stress because of vomiting, more stress because of spasms, more

stress because of vomiting...etc. pretty soon u have forgotten what the trigger

stress was to start with.

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Re: Vomiting after HM

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salmonella, listeria, food poisoning, perforated bowel, bowel blockage,

pregnancy, migraines, head injury. . . .etc. Manometry, lol!

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> What would cause someone to vomit?

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Hi Kim,

 

I started loosing my hair around the time I had my last dilation in early

November. I had lost 35 lbs within 4 months and think the lack of nutrition,

sleep and being dehydrated for so long could have started it. My hair is usually

pretty thick as well but it has thinned out. It gets so bad I have to stop blow

drying my hair to pull the hair off my hands to start drying my hair again.Seems

to be not coming out as much lately but still wish it would slow down.......

 

Kim A

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From: Kim <kimellenbailey@...>

" achalasia " <achalasia >

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 11:36 AM

Subject: Re: Vomiting after HM

 

 i dont know about anyone else. i can regurge sometimes but not much and

sometimes i feel i really need to... i did this past weekend (PERHAPS TMI) but i

had eaten half a hamburger and it was NOT working. also i was going to say the

other day someone mentioned hair loss. my hair is normally very thick and it got

very thin before i had my surgery i was getting worried and thinking i was going

to have to do a sinead conner thing. It is all better now..,. Kim

 

 

I dont kno

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kotacj@... wrote:

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> ... I didn't realize that nexium wouldn't work after a spasm starts if

> it is related to

> heartburn. I will be sure to keep a liquid antacid on hand ...

>

Right. The PPIs and H2 blocker are for reducing the production of acid.

Because the acid that has caused an episode of spasms/heartburn has

already been produced it is to late to relive the spasms/heartburn by

taking them. An antacid neutralizes acid that has already been produced

but does nothing to prevent more acid from being produced. If an antacid

reliably stops the spasms/heartburn then the spasms/heartburn are likely

caused by acid, but not necessarily by stomach acid. They could be

because of acid that forms from trapped food in the esophagus. Likewise,

if PPIs or H2 blockers reliably prevent spasms/heartburn then the

spasms/heartburn are likely caused by stomach acid. If PPIs or H2

blocker do not prevent the spasms/heartburn but antacids stop them then

they are likely caused by acid from food trapped in the esophagus. If

large doses of both fail to help then the spasms/heartburn are probably

not from acid.

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Stress has also played a huge part in not only my spasms but my swallowing

capability. The more spasms I get, the harder to swallow - add stress and the

regurgitation starts. Me personally, I usually need to time and If I am out with

other people eating and feel pressured to eat quicker ( which is hard for me to

do, especially depending on the day ) I get more spasm and regurgitate more!!!

 

So far none of the medications have worked for me either!! b eing your sons age

this has to be terribly stressful for him. I hope he gets relief soon.

 

Kim A

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From: Leda Mae <leda444@...>

" achalasia " <achalasia >

Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 3:02 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Vomiting after HM

 

So sorry to hear your son is struggling with spasms. Definitely stress plays a

role, however I too wake in the middle of the night with them. Hard to say what

our subconscious is telling us while asleep.  With regard to the vomiting, for

me it seems like the vomiting comes at the end of a horrific spasm. I almost

welcome it as it usually signifies the " end " of the spasm is near. It's almost

like the E is in spasm to reject what may be caught in there, then finally is

able to eject it and everything calms again. Others may likely have a different

experience...

I've tried all types of medications - the niphedipine never did help me.

Currently I get some relief with Donnatal. Since swallowing is impossible for me

during a spasm, I let it melt sublingualy.  Hopefully it will continue to work.

If stress is indeed a factor and other natural therapies don't help, perhaps you

might want to consider something for anxiety to help through the tough times.

I'm not an advocate of any type of drugs, but I'll do whatever it takes to stave

off a spasm.

I would be interested to hear why Dr. Rice thinks this is happening again since

he's already had a HM.

Kim

________________________________

From: " kotacj@... " <kotacj@...>

achalasia

Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:05 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Vomiting after HM

 

Almost three years post myotomy my son has started having severe spasms

coupled with violent vomiting. After 3 ER visits, we finally agreed to try

niphedipine sublingual for the spasms and zofran for the vomiting. Dr rice

had told us he didn't like using niphedipine, I assumed that was because he

is still a teenager. It worked well for about a month. Now it seems to have

lost it's initial potential. I want to ask those of u who suffer with spasms

this, does forced vomiting quell the spasm? Or is the vomiting happening as

a result of the spasms termination? I know stress in my kid seems to play a

hugh role, even though he claims he is not stressed, looking back on this

last christmas diabolical he was way stressed about college. And it seems

only on hindsight can we see what was causing the stress. Waking today he is

again in the throws of spasms with violent vomiting, almost like dry

heaving. My husband and I have been experiencing some financial decision

making which has cause one or two " discussions " . Could overhearing

conversations trigger a stress response which then demonstrates itself as

spasms with vomiting? How do I teach my kid coping skills, or does the mere

suggestion that it is that simple, howbeit not easy, minimize what is really

happening. Does anyone really know stress causes spasms or do doctors feed u

that because the simply have no other explanation. If u wake from a dead

sleep with spasms followed by vomiting could it truly b said it is stress

induced. Answers? Suggestions?

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

Re: Vomiting after HM

Drinking too much, roller coasters, motion sickness, stomach flu,

salmonella, listeria, food poisoning, perforated bowel, bowel blockage,

pregnancy, migraines, head injury. . . .etc. Manometry, lol!

>

> What would cause someone to vomit?

>

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