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Hello all. I have been reading this group for some time and was surprised to

see a discussion about POEM surgery as I have an appt tomorrow to discuss this

option.

Here's my history:

I am a 52 yo male from New York and I was diagnosed with achalasia in 1990.

Between 1990 and 1997 I had more dilations than I care to count. I finally

agreed to surgery in 1997 since it would be done laparoscopically. I had a

Heller's myotomy with a partial fundo and had relief for about 4 yrs.

Unfortunately the symptoms returned over time and I had 2 or 3 dilations and for

the past several years I go to the hospital every 4-5 mos for Botox injections.

My GI has been having difficulty doing the endoscopy since there is so much food

in my esophagus. It got so bad that about 9 months ago he hospitalized me so

that my esophagus and stomach could be pumped and he could get a clear view of

exactly where the injections should be given.

My last Botox was this past Friday and as each nurse walked into the operating

room they greeted me by first name. I told them as much as I enjoy talking with

them, a hospital in NOT a place where I'm glad everyone knows my name!! Lol.

I have an appt tomorrow at Winthrop hospital to discuss whether or not the new

POEM procedure will do me any good. POEM generally isn't an option for someone

who had a previous myotomy, however there have been limited cases where this has

been done.

Although I'm not expecting much, I am hopeful. I'm willing to try just about

anything in the name of relief!!!!

On Jan 30, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Mueller IV <mt4mar@...> wrote:

> I have spoke with a few surgeons about this method and they have leaned on the

side of it not having a high success rate. Our disease is not well researched to

begin with in the whole scope of things. I am glad you have added this

information. I feel it is important to have as much information available so we

can make better decisions about what course an individual will make.

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On Jan 30, 2012, at 10:58, " dd.haas " <dd.haas@...> wrote:

>

> > Hi ,

> > I´m new here. Had HM with Toupet 2009 and feel fine.

> > Why I answer is, that it isn't true with this 10%.

> > All in the World there are more than 400 patient operated with POEM and the

success rate is as with HM about 90% with a refluxrate of 10% (like with Heller,

but they do no wrap!). The largest study was done in Japan with 100 + cases and

a smaller study in Germany with 30 cases. But there are other center, which do

POEM one in California (I think University of C.) one in Montral, Honkong....

> > It is clear that this is a fairly young methode (just somewhat more than 2

years and that means no real lonterm study!)

> > Notan gave a link to an article on from a surgical magazine from August 2011

and commented as well. Cann´t find it at the moment.

> > Excuse my english.

> > a

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > POEM is an endoscopic Heller Myotomy (so to speak). No cuts through

the abdomen. All access is down through the gullet.

> > > > >

> > > > > More information (including a video of one being performed):

> > > > >

> > > > >

http://daveproject.org/endoscopic-myotomy-for-the-treatment-of-achalasia/2010-05\

-03/

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.facs.org/surgerynews/update/poem1110.html

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Hello, Ron.

Ron wrote:

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> I have an appt tomorrow at Winthrop hospital to discuss whether or not

> the new POEM procedure will do me any good. POEM generally isn't an

> option for someone who had a previous myotomy, however there have been

> limited cases where this has been done.

>

I avoid telling people what to do and I avoid getting between them and

their doctors. But, I don't have a problem telling people what I would

consider doing and why. In a case like this I would want to know if the

surgeon or hospital is studying POEM, either in a formal study or just

to get experience. If they are they may have an incentive to move

patients into the study. That may or may not be to your benefit. With

newer procedures like this it may be good to get a second opinion where

they don't have reason to be biased. Of course that only applies if they

decide POEM is an option for you.

Ask yourself if you would want to be one of the first patients a doctor

did a myotomy on. I wouldn't. Most of us here tell people they should

consider getting the most experienced surgeon in doing myotomies that

they can find. In this case you could be one of the first in having a

relatively new procedure by a surgeon without a lot of experience doing

it, even if he has done lots of other myotomies. This is not a situation

that would make me comfortable. POEM may be great, the surgeon may be

great and your results could possible be great. Who knows. I don't think

there is enough published about it to know how good it will turn out to

be in the long-term. Even in the short-term there isn't much data and

not from many sources. So, who could know.

notan

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