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Great information notan, yes I use cold COKE in a can, put head back.

got me into Coke many years ago .

Ray CA OC 81

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> I think the system will create a message to announcement that I added

> this image, but I wanted to tell you more about it.

>

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> A lot of people with achalasia say that carbonation helps them while for

> others it does not work. It probably works for a number of reasons when

> it does. The image I uploaded is only about one way it may help. That

> way is by breaking up food clogs and floating food particles.

> Carbonation is known in some circles as a lifting agent. That is because

> it has the ability to, in some environments, to lift some things by

> attaching bubbles and floating them. Before lifting it may also break

> apart some things by letting the carbonated solution get absorbed into

> those things and break them up by explosively forming tiny bubbles within.

>

> They say a picture is worth a thousand words. I am not sure that is true

> here but in that spirit I took a couple of photos of food in a glass.

> One with just the food, some chunks of uneaten cabbage and some chewed

> cabbage, and some water. The other is the same glass of food and water

> to which I added some carbonation (7 Up). As you can see in the image,

> (I combined both photos into one), I only used a little carbonation to

> float everything in the glass. I added about 1 inch to 4.5 in the glass

> but because of the zoom out it looks like even less.

>

> It should be noted that the chunks of cabbage always floated even though

> I tried to get them to stay submerged. This may be part of the problem

> with some foods and why they seem to linger more than others. Most of

> the chewed cabbage went right to bottom, though some floated in between

> top and bottom.

>

> Along with the other things carbonation does in the esophagus, I think

> this image shows one way it may help to clear the LES and help the

> esophagus to empty.

>

> There may be a science fair project here if anyone knows a young

> scientist looking for one for the next school year. There is more along

> these lines that could be tested.

>

> notan

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Notan, thank you! Once again. And yet again!

I think back to last June, when, suddenly, I developed a great longing and

*need* (somehow) for Mountain Dew. Achalasia was not in my conscious mind at all

at that point. I'd just lost thirty pounds, but I was dieting, and not at all

unhappy. I'd been seriously regurging for a couple of years, and only in

retrospect can spot the big step up that was happening. That need/obsession was

coupled with an also sudden need for bananas and tomatoes, things I like fine,

but have never been a big consumer of. My body simply took command and insisted

I do what it wished! I think that in addition to the breaking up of the stuff

in the E, it also creates some much needed additional pressure on the LES,

pushing/nudging it a scosh more open, so the newly created slush can slide

through. I think also that Mountain Dew is also the highest carb soft drink

available, as well as extremely high calorie (higher than Ensure, say), and max

caffeine, which is also a LES relaxant.

My own experience is that immediately at the Heller, the need/desire and

toleration for Mountain Dew disappeared! I'd stocked up, and did indeed *work*

my way through that supply, but never replenished it. And the same is true

pretty much for the tomatoes and bananas, though that seems more a function of

20 meq potassium/daily via pill, as my primary care doc and I were working on

that and I finally got back into normal range a week after the Heller.

Love your mind, and your helperness!

xox

>

> I think the system will create a message to announcement that I added

> this image, but I wanted to tell you more about it.

>

>

achalasia/photos/album/1307192400/pic/1796934767/v\

iew?

>

> A lot of people with achalasia say that carbonation helps them while for

> others it does not work. It probably works for a number of reasons when

> it does. The image I uploaded is only about one way it may help. That

> way is by breaking up food clogs and floating food particles.

> Carbonation is known in some circles as a lifting agent. That is because

> it has the ability to, in some environments, to lift some things by

> attaching bubbles and floating them. Before lifting it may also break

> apart some things by letting the carbonated solution get absorbed into

> those things and break them up by explosively forming tiny bubbles within.

>

> They say a picture is worth a thousand words. I am not sure that is true

> here but in that spirit I took a couple of photos of food in a glass.

> One with just the food, some chunks of uneaten cabbage and some chewed

> cabbage, and some water. The other is the same glass of food and water

> to which I added some carbonation (7 Up). As you can see in the image,

> (I combined both photos into one), I only used a little carbonation to

> float everything in the glass. I added about 1 inch to 4.5 in the glass

> but because of the zoom out it looks like even less.

>

> It should be noted that the chunks of cabbage always floated even though

> I tried to get them to stay submerged. This may be part of the problem

> with some foods and why they seem to linger more than others. Most of

> the chewed cabbage went right to bottom, though some floated in between

> top and bottom.

>

> Along with the other things carbonation does in the esophagus, I think

> this image shows one way it may help to clear the LES and help the

> esophagus to empty.

>

> There may be a science fair project here if anyone knows a young

> scientist looking for one for the next school year. There is more along

> these lines that could be tested.

>

> notan

>

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See, carbonation does not help me at all when I am eating food and it feels

" stuck " . Then it seems to only make symptoms worse. However, when I am

having a spasm, it is generally the best and sometimes the only thing that

works. However, I have noticed, for myself, that there is a strong

correlation between feeling intestinal gas and having a spasm, and my own

personal theory is that the gas inflates things and forces my intestinal

gas to move along. Once it moves down and I am able to pass it, my spasms

generally stop, unless there is more. That is generally the only time

carbonation fails me, and often, my spasms will continue for hours until I

vomit (well, as best as someone with a Nissen can) from the pain, which

typically has the effect of moving intestinal gas along and out as well.

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:48 AM, puddleriver13 <puddleriver13@...>wrote:

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>

>

> Notan, thank you! Once again. And yet again!

>

> I think back to last June, when, suddenly, I developed a great longing and

> *need* (somehow) for Mountain Dew. Achalasia was not in my conscious mind

> at all at that point. I'd just lost thirty pounds, but I was dieting, and

> not at all unhappy. I'd been seriously regurging for a couple of years, and

> only in retrospect can spot the big step up that was happening. That

> need/obsession was coupled with an also sudden need for bananas and

> tomatoes, things I like fine, but have never been a big consumer of. My

> body simply took command and insisted I do what it wished! I think that in

> addition to the breaking up of the stuff in the E, it also creates some

> much needed additional pressure on the LES, pushing/nudging it a scosh more

> open, so the newly created slush can slide through. I think also that

> Mountain Dew is also the highest carb soft drink available, as well as

> extremely high calorie (higher than Ensure, say), and max caffeine, which

> is also a LES relaxant.

>

> My own experience is that immediately at the Heller, the need/desire and

> toleration for Mountain Dew disappeared! I'd stocked up, and did indeed

> *work* my way through that supply, but never replenished it. And the same

> is true pretty much for the tomatoes and bananas, though that seems more a

> function of 20 meq potassium/daily via pill, as my primary care doc and I

> were working on that and I finally got back into normal range a week after

> the Heller.

>

> Love your mind, and your helperness!

>

> xox

>

>

>

> >

> > I think the system will create a message to announcement that I added

> > this image, but I wanted to tell you more about it.

> >

> >

>

achalasia/photos/album/1307192400/pic/1796934767/v\

iew?

> >

> > A lot of people with achalasia say that carbonation helps them while for

> > others it does not work. It probably works for a number of reasons when

> > it does. The image I uploaded is only about one way it may help. That

> > way is by breaking up food clogs and floating food particles.

> > Carbonation is known in some circles as a lifting agent. That is because

> > it has the ability to, in some environments, to lift some things by

> > attaching bubbles and floating them. Before lifting it may also break

> > apart some things by letting the carbonated solution get absorbed into

> > those things and break them up by explosively forming tiny bubbles

> within.

> >

> > They say a picture is worth a thousand words. I am not sure that is true

> > here but in that spirit I took a couple of photos of food in a glass.

> > One with just the food, some chunks of uneaten cabbage and some chewed

> > cabbage, and some water. The other is the same glass of food and water

> > to which I added some carbonation (7 Up). As you can see in the image,

> > (I combined both photos into one), I only used a little carbonation to

> > float everything in the glass. I added about 1 inch to 4.5 in the glass

> > but because of the zoom out it looks like even less.

> >

> > It should be noted that the chunks of cabbage always floated even though

> > I tried to get them to stay submerged. This may be part of the problem

> > with some foods and why they seem to linger more than others. Most of

> > the chewed cabbage went right to bottom, though some floated in between

> > top and bottom.

> >

> > Along with the other things carbonation does in the esophagus, I think

> > this image shows one way it may help to clear the LES and help the

> > esophagus to empty.

> >

> > There may be a science fair project here if anyone knows a young

> > scientist looking for one for the next school year. There is more along

> > these lines that could be tested.

> >

> > notan

> >

>

>

>

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> ... I think that in addition to the breaking up of the stuff in the E,

> it also creates some much needed additional pressure on the LES,

> pushing/nudging it a scosh more open, so the newly created slush can

> slide through. ...

>

Right, it can increase the pressure in the esophagus. Kind of like those

cans of compressed gas that you use to open a drain. It also forms

bubble on the side of the esophagus like you can see on the sides of the

glass. These bubble may stimulate the nerves of the esophagus and may

cause contractions that push the food through. Also, the gas may trigger

a belch reflex that includes a relaxation of the LES.

BTW: people that have problems with carbonation may find that if they

mix a carbonated drink with a flat drink that it will help without the

problems. In the images I made I only added a little carbonation to the

water that was already in the glass. So, it may not take a lot and may

work very diluted.

> I think also that Mountain Dew is also the highest carb soft drink

> available, as well as extremely high calorie (higher than Ensure,

> say), and max caffeine, which is also a LES relaxant.

>

Yep. You can find some very sweet drinks, and very high caffeine, in

specialty soda shops, but MD is up there.

> ... tomatoes and bananas, though that seems more a function of 20 meq

> potassium/daily via pill, ...

>

Some sodas, including colas, may interfere with potassium when consumed

in mass quantities.

Cola-induced hypokalaemia: pathophysiological mechanisms and clinical

implications.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19490200.1

Excessive Cola Consumption Can Lead To Super-Sized Muscle Problems, Warn

Doctors

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090519075420.htm

Hypokalaemia problems may be common among cone heads, but I don't have

any studies for that. ;-)

notan

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