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I know that there are tons of scams out there, but you never know if someone has

tried it and maybe it works. Me personally, I am getting tired of going broke

over different things so I don't want to buy it and it doesn't work!

Just thought I would ask!@

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From: puddleriver13 <puddleriver13@...>

achalasia

Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 10:54 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: ACHALASIA

 

Alas, the scams for " cures " for orphan diseases grows faster than one can keep

ahead of them. . . .

http://www.ozscam.com/2011/10/12/lasnofax-com-treatment-for-achalasia-scam/

http://achalasia.net/forumv3/viewtopic.php?f=3 & t=478

There's no doubt that homeopathy works for a certain percent of patients. My

guess would be about the same percent as the placebo in double blind studies. .

.. .

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-addiction/201101/even-when-you-kno\

w-its-fake-the-strength-the-placebo-effect

The worst thing about what these doods do is that sooner or later they're gonna

kill someone who's clinging to their promises and delaying treatment that

they're afraid of. . . .

xox

>

> Hi everyone,

>  

> My mother is really into treating whatever you can homeopathically. Has anyone

ever tried this?

>

>   

>

> http://www.lasnofax.com/

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I can definitely relate. I am only a year into this and there have been times I

would have tried just about anything if I thought it would make this a little

better. As I sit here trying to choke down some soup I am thinking the same

thing!! I was also thinking about trying acupuncture as well or going to a

Chinese herbalist, especially when my mom told me the one she went to can tell

what is wrong with you just by looking at your tongue. I have been suffering

from ulcerated viral infections in my mouth for  about 4 1/2 months now and my

GP and GI both said it probably has nothing to do with Achalasia and that was

that.

 

I like the homeopathic approach as much as possible and think I have seen some

of these scams that have said they can cure Achalasia, which we all know is

BS!!! I just don't want to try anything that could make it worse! I hate

feeling like a test tube dummy!

 

Kim A

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From: puddleriver13 <puddleriver13@...>

achalasia

Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:16 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: ACHALASIA

 

I agree. I certainly tried everything under the sun, for years, and most of the

*best* stuff, worked *a bit* ~~ and for those years, a *bit* was enough.

Caffeine, nicotine, fat, magnesium, B150, Hyoscamine, DHEA (for the lady

hormones) -- was looking into acupuncture when the ol' body hit the wall,

despite everything.

The thing is, the scams don't ONLY target Achalasians, but lots of other people

with much more toxic diseases than we have. That there are people ready willing

and able to prey on people, and possibly even kill them for a damned dollar

simply outrages me. It isn't a *game*. . . .

xox

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >  

> > My mother is really into treating whatever you can homeopathically. Has

anyone ever tried this?

> >

> >   

> >

> > http://www.lasnofax.com/

> >

> >

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Kim,

I have used a number of forms of healing to

include Chinese, naturopathic, acupuncture, energy,

Homeopathic and others. They are NOT scams. Energy healing,

Chinese and herbal medicine have been around

A few thousand years. A lot longer than than the AMA. I have

lived around the world in countries that the

AMA has no power over. You have to be careful

who you see.

I don't use anyone on the Internet. In MN we

have a number of good healers. Modern medicine

is great but has its limitations. If I was starving

from achalasia (like now), I would want a good surgeon.

If I was hemorrhaging, I would want a good ER

doc. But I know from personal and professional

experience, that when it comes to many chronic

illnesses or oddities, adding a competent complimentary

(CAM) healer can help. It has helped me a great

deal. Often times you will find people by word of

mouth. Check out the book I told you about

by Gerber called " Vibrational Medicine. " He is an

MD with an open mind. I've been exploring and

Researching alternative healing for 17 years. I'm

no expert but I know it to be real and NOT a

Scam.

Safe journeys,

Faith

Sent from my iPod

On May 12, 2012, at 11:07, Kim Abrams <xploring37@...> wrote:

> I can definitely relate. I am only a year into this and there have been times

I would have tried just about anything if I thought it would make this a little

better. As I sit here trying to choke down some soup I am thinking the same

thing!! I was also thinking about trying acupuncture as well or going to a

Chinese herbalist, especially when my mom told me the one she went to can tell

what is wrong with you just by looking at your tongue. I have been suffering

from ulcerated viral infections in my mouth for about 4 1/2 months now and my

GP and GI both said it probably has nothing to do with Achalasia and that was

that.

>

> I like the homeopathic approach as much as possible and think I have seen some

of these scams that have said they can cure Achalasia, which we all know is

BS!!! I just don't want to try anything that could make it worse! I hate feeling

like a test tube dummy!

>

> Kim A

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: puddleriver13 <puddleriver13@...>

> achalasia

> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:16 PM

> Subject: Re: Fw: ACHALASIA

>

>

>

>

> I agree. I certainly tried everything under the sun, for years, and most of

the *best* stuff, worked *a bit* ~~ and for those years, a *bit* was enough.

Caffeine, nicotine, fat, magnesium, B150, Hyoscamine, DHEA (for the lady

hormones) -- was looking into acupuncture when the ol' body hit the wall,

despite everything.

>

> The thing is, the scams don't ONLY target Achalasians, but lots of other

people with much more toxic diseases than we have. That there are people ready

willing and able to prey on people, and possibly even kill them for a damned

dollar simply outrages me. It isn't a *game*. . . .

>

> xox

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > > Â

> > > My mother is really into treating whatever you can homeopathically. Has

anyone ever tried this?

> > >

> > > Â Â

> > >

> > > http://www.lasnofax.com/

> > >

> > >

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Kim wrote:

>

>

> I like the homeopathic approach as much as possible ...

>

In that case I have two suggestions.

Homeopathy believes that the way to treat an illness is to give the

patient something, in very small doses, that causes the same symptoms as

the illness. In other words, in stronger doses in a healthy person the

remedy would cause a state that would be like the illness, (homeo=like,

pathy=illness). So, for achalasia you should be looking for things that

cause problems swallowing, loss of peristalsis, failure of the LES to

relax, higher LES pressure, spasms, and esophageal neuropathy. I know

that is counterintuitive but that is fundamental to the workings of

homeopathy. Homeopathy was developed about the same time as others were

developing the theory that microbes caused a number of diseased and the

way to treat those diseases was to identify the microbes causing the

symptoms not just the symptoms and deal with the microbes. This other

approach of finding a cause for an illness and dealing with the cause

instead of the symptoms became the basis for treating many diseases not

just infectious ones. This lead to a split in medicine and homeopathy

went its own way.

Homeopathy also believes that a Homeopathic remedy becomes stronger the

more it is diluted. I know this can also be counterintuitive but don't

be confused by, things like the smell, taste or color which will become

weaker with dilution, or by anything from chemistry or physics

(homeopathy has also gone its own way away from chemistry and physics).

Homeopathy only says the effectiveness becomes stronger not any of those

other things. So, once you find your remedy don't buy a large amount.

Just buy a tiny amount and keep diluting it until you have enough for a

long long time.

I hope I have saved you some money.

notan

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Faith wrote:

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> Kim,

>

> ... Energy healing,

> Chinese and herbal medicine have been around

> A few thousand years. A lot longer than than the AMA. ...

>

Which has been around longer, humorism or modern medicine? Can we tell

from that how good or bad humorism is. There is at least one person in

this support group that uses a " quality " term of humorism to describe

her condition, so it is still around too.

One should not confuse the ancient concept of energy, as in " energy

healing " with any use of the word energy in modern physics, even though

that is a popular thing to do. Often these ancient ideas go back to

things that are more like soul or spirit than what we today would call

energy. Even the concept of Qi is in many ways more like breath/wind

than energy. Breath was commonly connected to ideas like soul and spirit

in ancient times. The symbol for QI, breath over rice, reminds me of the

humor for blood/air. In the Analects of Confucius there is the term

" xue-qi " (blood and breath) which relates to motivation. Motivation

animates and was often seen as a type of force/energy/power but not in

the modern physical meaning. Also, air/breath causes heat and fire. We

blow on coals to make them hot. We breathe hard to work hard and it

makes us hot. We burn from our motivations, desires. This too is ancient

energy and the ancients would have connected it to be blood and breath.

Today we can see what physics would call energy in the fire but we would

not confuse that burning desires. Acupuncture is derived from blood

letting. If you look at the Su wen you will see it is hard to separate

the two and the terms for acupuncture appear to be derived from blood

letting. Air, wind, breath, spirit is everywhere that man can live but

for life it is in the blood. Consider the following words:

Hebrew nephesh (soul) comes from the word for breath

Latin spiritus, meaning " breath "

Latin anima (a current of air, wind, air, breath, the vital principle,

life, soul)

Greek pneuma (breath, motile air (wind), spirit)

In all these words, and words in English derived from them, you can see

the idea of wind moving, motivating and animating things. Energy. You

can also see the idea of being alive. You can also see what we would

call ancient religious beliefs in them and it is here that the " energy "

of energy healing belongs. " Wind is the Qi of the Earth. "

In physics the word energy does not come from such words, but from the

Greek word energeia (activity, operation). We use it in the sense of

work. In physics energy in simplest terms is the measure of work.

Fundamentally it is defined as force X distance = energy (work). From

that you derive a lot of formulas for energy, such as those that relate

to heat, gravity and motion. It may not be obvious that such things

should be measured in units of work but they are. Einstein equated

energy to mass with his famous E=MC^2 formula but E is still measured in

units of work. If there is a dark energy out there it too will be

measured in units of work or it will not actually be energy.

I don't believe there is any way to equate Qi or any energy of " energy

healing " to units of work. Therefor I see no reason to consider it

anything related to energy as defined by science. I see lots of reasons

to relate such things to religion but that puts off people who are

looking for a science base to believe, so I understand that people want

it to be " energy " and scientific, even though it isn't. Over time

concepts like Qi have become much more complex than just air or breath

but as used in " energy healing " it has not lost its religious basis.

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Faith,

 

Let me clarify what I meant. I have seen several adds online stating their

treatment methods could cure Achalsia and when I first was diagnosed I looked

into it. I mentioned it to my doctor and he set me straight as he didn't want me

to get my hopes up. Like many here, I was starving to death at that time and

really scared so I was open to just about anything.

I believe that with many chronic illnesses, there are things not necessarily

prescribed by a doctor or surgically forced than can improve quality of life. I

am not a big fan of being on any medication but take what I have to. I only take

Protonix and Nifedepine when necessary. I am going to get this book and

hopefully get more insight into natural healing power.

But first things first, I am on to the Univ of Chgo Monday to see what's next on

the treatment plan. Thye got me in two months early and I was hoping to be able

to manage A better on my own, but I think the next step may be HM. My pressure

has escalated tremendously lately and hope this will help.

I appreciate the information you have given me.

 

Kim

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From: Faith Weiss <weissf@...>

" achalasia " <achalasia >

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:29 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Fw: ACHALASIA

 

Kim,

I have used a number of forms of healing to

include Chinese, naturopathic, acupuncture, energy,

Homeopathic and others. They are NOT scams. Energy healing,

Chinese and herbal medicine have been around

A few thousand years. A lot longer than than the AMA. I have

lived around the world in countries that the

AMA has no power over. You have to be careful

who you see.

I don't use anyone on the Internet. In MN we

have a number of good healers. Modern medicine

is great but has its limitations. If I was starving

from achalasia (like now), I would want a good surgeon.

If I was hemorrhaging, I would want a good ER

doc. But I know from personal and professional

experience, that when it comes to many chronic

illnesses or oddities, adding a competent complimentary

(CAM) healer can help. It has helped me a great

deal. Often times you will find people by word of

mouth. Check out the book I told you about

by Gerber called " Vibrational Medicine. " He is an

MD with an open mind. I've been exploring and

Researching alternative healing for 17 years. I'm

no expert but I know it to be real and NOT a

Scam.

Safe journeys,

Faith

Sent from my iPod

On May 12, 2012, at 11:07, Kim Abrams <xploring37@...> wrote:

> I can definitely relate. I am only a year into this and there have been times

I would have tried just about anything if I thought it would make this a little

better. As I sit here trying to choke down some soup I am thinking the same

thing!! I was also thinking about trying acupuncture as well or going to a

Chinese herbalist, especially when my mom told me the one she went to can tell

what is wrong with you just by looking at your tongue. I have been suffering

from ulcerated viral infections in my mouth for about 4 1/2 months now and my

GP and GI both said it probably has nothing to do with Achalasia and that was

that.

>

> I like the homeopathic approach as much as possible and think I have seen some

of these scams that have said they can cure Achalasia, which we all know is

BS!!! I just don't want to try anything that could make it worse! I hate feeling

like a test tube dummy!

>

> Kim A

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: puddleriver13 <puddleriver13@...>

> achalasia

> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:16 PM

> Subject: Re: Fw: ACHALASIA

>

>

>

>

> I agree. I certainly tried everything under the sun, for years, and most of

the *best* stuff, worked *a bit* ~~ and for those years, a *bit* was enough.

Caffeine, nicotine, fat, magnesium, B150, Hyoscamine, DHEA (for the lady

hormones) -- was looking into acupuncture when the ol' body hit the wall,

despite everything.

>

> The thing is, the scams don't ONLY target Achalasians, but lots of other

people with much more toxic diseases than we have. That there are people ready

willing and able to prey on people, and possibly even kill them for a damned

dollar simply outrages me. It isn't a *game*. . . .

>

> xox

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > > Â

> > > My mother is really into treating whatever you can homeopathically. Has

anyone ever tried this?

> > >

> > > Â Â

> > >

> > > http://www.lasnofax.com/

> > >

> > >

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I think I misunderstood the meaning behind homeopathy and really meant natural,

with little side effects. I only take acid reflux medication and Nifedepine when

I need it but nothing else ( other than vitamins ) I would not have bought this

anyways, but was curious like I am sure most of us would be.

 

Again, not sure how you know so much about not only Achalasia, but a wide array

of topics. There are many topics that go over my head but most I can understand

fairly well.

 

Thanks again for taking the time to explain things.

 

Kim A 

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From: notan ostrich <notan_ostrich@...>

achalasia

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:51 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Fw: ACHALASIA

 

Kim wrote:

>

>

> I like the homeopathic approach as much as possible ...

>

In that case I have two suggestions.

Homeopathy believes that the way to treat an illness is to give the

patient something, in very small doses, that causes the same symptoms as

the illness. In other words, in stronger doses in a healthy person the

remedy would cause a state that would be like the illness, (homeo=like,

pathy=illness). So, for achalasia you should be looking for things that

cause problems swallowing, loss of peristalsis, failure of the LES to

relax, higher LES pressure, spasms, and esophageal neuropathy. I know

that is counterintuitive but that is fundamental to the workings of

homeopathy. Homeopathy was developed about the same time as others were

developing the theory that microbes caused a number of diseased and the

way to treat those diseases was to identify the microbes causing the

symptoms not just the symptoms and deal with the microbes. This other

approach of finding a cause for an illness and dealing with the cause

instead of the symptoms became the basis for treating many diseases not

just infectious ones. This lead to a split in medicine and homeopathy

went its own way.

Homeopathy also believes that a Homeopathic remedy becomes stronger the

more it is diluted. I know this can also be counterintuitive but don't

be confused by, things like the smell, taste or color which will become

weaker with dilution, or by anything from chemistry or physics

(homeopathy has also gone its own way away from chemistry and physics).

Homeopathy only says the effectiveness becomes stronger not any of those

other things. So, once you find your remedy don't buy a large amount.

Just buy a tiny amount and keep diluting it until you have enough for a

long long time.

I hope I have saved you some money.

notan

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