Guest guest Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 I know that there are tons of scams out there, but you never know if someone has tried it and maybe it works. Me personally, I am getting tired of going broke over different things so I don't want to buy it and it doesn't work! Just thought I would ask!@ ________________________________ From: puddleriver13 <puddleriver13@...> achalasia Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 10:54 PM Subject: Re: Fw: ACHALASIA Â Alas, the scams for " cures " for orphan diseases grows faster than one can keep ahead of them. . . . http://www.ozscam.com/2011/10/12/lasnofax-com-treatment-for-achalasia-scam/ http://achalasia.net/forumv3/viewtopic.php?f=3 & t=478 There's no doubt that homeopathy works for a certain percent of patients. My guess would be about the same percent as the placebo in double blind studies. . .. . http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-addiction/201101/even-when-you-kno\ w-its-fake-the-strength-the-placebo-effect The worst thing about what these doods do is that sooner or later they're gonna kill someone who's clinging to their promises and delaying treatment that they're afraid of. . . . xox > > Hi everyone, > Â > My mother is really into treating whatever you can homeopathically. Has anyone ever tried this? > > Â Â > > http://www.lasnofax.com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 I can definitely relate. I am only a year into this and there have been times I would have tried just about anything if I thought it would make this a little better. As I sit here trying to choke down some soup I am thinking the same thing!! I was also thinking about trying acupuncture as well or going to a Chinese herbalist, especially when my mom told me the one she went to can tell what is wrong with you just by looking at your tongue. I have been suffering from ulcerated viral infections in my mouth for  about 4 1/2 months now and my GP and GI both said it probably has nothing to do with Achalasia and that was that.  I like the homeopathic approach as much as possible and think I have seen some of these scams that have said they can cure Achalasia, which we all know is BS!!! I just don't want to try anything that could make it worse! I hate feeling like a test tube dummy!  Kim A ________________________________ From: puddleriver13 <puddleriver13@...> achalasia Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:16 PM Subject: Re: Fw: ACHALASIA  I agree. I certainly tried everything under the sun, for years, and most of the *best* stuff, worked *a bit* ~~ and for those years, a *bit* was enough. Caffeine, nicotine, fat, magnesium, B150, Hyoscamine, DHEA (for the lady hormones) -- was looking into acupuncture when the ol' body hit the wall, despite everything. The thing is, the scams don't ONLY target Achalasians, but lots of other people with much more toxic diseases than we have. That there are people ready willing and able to prey on people, and possibly even kill them for a damned dollar simply outrages me. It isn't a *game*. . . . xox > > > > Hi everyone, > >  > > My mother is really into treating whatever you can homeopathically. Has anyone ever tried this? > > > >   > > > > http://www.lasnofax.com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Kim, I have used a number of forms of healing to include Chinese, naturopathic, acupuncture, energy, Homeopathic and others. They are NOT scams. Energy healing, Chinese and herbal medicine have been around A few thousand years. A lot longer than than the AMA. I have lived around the world in countries that the AMA has no power over. You have to be careful who you see. I don't use anyone on the Internet. In MN we have a number of good healers. Modern medicine is great but has its limitations. If I was starving from achalasia (like now), I would want a good surgeon. If I was hemorrhaging, I would want a good ER doc. But I know from personal and professional experience, that when it comes to many chronic illnesses or oddities, adding a competent complimentary (CAM) healer can help. It has helped me a great deal. Often times you will find people by word of mouth. Check out the book I told you about by Gerber called " Vibrational Medicine. " He is an MD with an open mind. I've been exploring and Researching alternative healing for 17 years. I'm no expert but I know it to be real and NOT a Scam. Safe journeys, Faith Sent from my iPod On May 12, 2012, at 11:07, Kim Abrams <xploring37@...> wrote: > I can definitely relate. I am only a year into this and there have been times I would have tried just about anything if I thought it would make this a little better. As I sit here trying to choke down some soup I am thinking the same thing!! I was also thinking about trying acupuncture as well or going to a Chinese herbalist, especially when my mom told me the one she went to can tell what is wrong with you just by looking at your tongue. I have been suffering from ulcerated viral infections in my mouth for about 4 1/2 months now and my GP and GI both said it probably has nothing to do with Achalasia and that was that. > > I like the homeopathic approach as much as possible and think I have seen some of these scams that have said they can cure Achalasia, which we all know is BS!!! I just don't want to try anything that could make it worse! I hate feeling like a test tube dummy! > > Kim A > > > ________________________________ > From: puddleriver13 <puddleriver13@...> > achalasia > Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: ACHALASIA > > > > > I agree. I certainly tried everything under the sun, for years, and most of the *best* stuff, worked *a bit* ~~ and for those years, a *bit* was enough. Caffeine, nicotine, fat, magnesium, B150, Hyoscamine, DHEA (for the lady hormones) -- was looking into acupuncture when the ol' body hit the wall, despite everything. > > The thing is, the scams don't ONLY target Achalasians, but lots of other people with much more toxic diseases than we have. That there are people ready willing and able to prey on people, and possibly even kill them for a damned dollar simply outrages me. It isn't a *game*. . . . > > xox > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Â > > > My mother is really into treating whatever you can homeopathically. Has anyone ever tried this? > > > > > > Â Â > > > > > > http://www.lasnofax.com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Kim wrote: > > > I like the homeopathic approach as much as possible ... > In that case I have two suggestions. Homeopathy believes that the way to treat an illness is to give the patient something, in very small doses, that causes the same symptoms as the illness. In other words, in stronger doses in a healthy person the remedy would cause a state that would be like the illness, (homeo=like, pathy=illness). So, for achalasia you should be looking for things that cause problems swallowing, loss of peristalsis, failure of the LES to relax, higher LES pressure, spasms, and esophageal neuropathy. I know that is counterintuitive but that is fundamental to the workings of homeopathy. Homeopathy was developed about the same time as others were developing the theory that microbes caused a number of diseased and the way to treat those diseases was to identify the microbes causing the symptoms not just the symptoms and deal with the microbes. This other approach of finding a cause for an illness and dealing with the cause instead of the symptoms became the basis for treating many diseases not just infectious ones. This lead to a split in medicine and homeopathy went its own way. Homeopathy also believes that a Homeopathic remedy becomes stronger the more it is diluted. I know this can also be counterintuitive but don't be confused by, things like the smell, taste or color which will become weaker with dilution, or by anything from chemistry or physics (homeopathy has also gone its own way away from chemistry and physics). Homeopathy only says the effectiveness becomes stronger not any of those other things. So, once you find your remedy don't buy a large amount. Just buy a tiny amount and keep diluting it until you have enough for a long long time. I hope I have saved you some money. notan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Faith wrote: > > Kim, > > ... Energy healing, > Chinese and herbal medicine have been around > A few thousand years. A lot longer than than the AMA. ... > Which has been around longer, humorism or modern medicine? Can we tell from that how good or bad humorism is. There is at least one person in this support group that uses a " quality " term of humorism to describe her condition, so it is still around too. One should not confuse the ancient concept of energy, as in " energy healing " with any use of the word energy in modern physics, even though that is a popular thing to do. Often these ancient ideas go back to things that are more like soul or spirit than what we today would call energy. Even the concept of Qi is in many ways more like breath/wind than energy. Breath was commonly connected to ideas like soul and spirit in ancient times. The symbol for QI, breath over rice, reminds me of the humor for blood/air. In the Analects of Confucius there is the term " xue-qi " (blood and breath) which relates to motivation. Motivation animates and was often seen as a type of force/energy/power but not in the modern physical meaning. Also, air/breath causes heat and fire. We blow on coals to make them hot. We breathe hard to work hard and it makes us hot. We burn from our motivations, desires. This too is ancient energy and the ancients would have connected it to be blood and breath. Today we can see what physics would call energy in the fire but we would not confuse that burning desires. Acupuncture is derived from blood letting. If you look at the Su wen you will see it is hard to separate the two and the terms for acupuncture appear to be derived from blood letting. Air, wind, breath, spirit is everywhere that man can live but for life it is in the blood. Consider the following words: Hebrew nephesh (soul) comes from the word for breath Latin spiritus, meaning " breath " Latin anima (a current of air, wind, air, breath, the vital principle, life, soul) Greek pneuma (breath, motile air (wind), spirit) In all these words, and words in English derived from them, you can see the idea of wind moving, motivating and animating things. Energy. You can also see the idea of being alive. You can also see what we would call ancient religious beliefs in them and it is here that the " energy " of energy healing belongs. " Wind is the Qi of the Earth. " In physics the word energy does not come from such words, but from the Greek word energeia (activity, operation). We use it in the sense of work. In physics energy in simplest terms is the measure of work. Fundamentally it is defined as force X distance = energy (work). From that you derive a lot of formulas for energy, such as those that relate to heat, gravity and motion. It may not be obvious that such things should be measured in units of work but they are. Einstein equated energy to mass with his famous E=MC^2 formula but E is still measured in units of work. If there is a dark energy out there it too will be measured in units of work or it will not actually be energy. I don't believe there is any way to equate Qi or any energy of " energy healing " to units of work. Therefor I see no reason to consider it anything related to energy as defined by science. I see lots of reasons to relate such things to religion but that puts off people who are looking for a science base to believe, so I understand that people want it to be " energy " and scientific, even though it isn't. Over time concepts like Qi have become much more complex than just air or breath but as used in " energy healing " it has not lost its religious basis. notan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 Faith,  Let me clarify what I meant. I have seen several adds online stating their treatment methods could cure Achalsia and when I first was diagnosed I looked into it. I mentioned it to my doctor and he set me straight as he didn't want me to get my hopes up. Like many here, I was starving to death at that time and really scared so I was open to just about anything. I believe that with many chronic illnesses, there are things not necessarily prescribed by a doctor or surgically forced than can improve quality of life. I am not a big fan of being on any medication but take what I have to. I only take Protonix and Nifedepine when necessary. I am going to get this book and hopefully get more insight into natural healing power. But first things first, I am on to the Univ of Chgo Monday to see what's next on the treatment plan. Thye got me in two months early and I was hoping to be able to manage A better on my own, but I think the next step may be HM. My pressure has escalated tremendously lately and hope this will help. I appreciate the information you have given me.  Kim ________________________________ From: Faith Weiss <weissf@...> " achalasia " <achalasia > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Re: Fw: ACHALASIA  Kim, I have used a number of forms of healing to include Chinese, naturopathic, acupuncture, energy, Homeopathic and others. They are NOT scams. Energy healing, Chinese and herbal medicine have been around A few thousand years. A lot longer than than the AMA. I have lived around the world in countries that the AMA has no power over. You have to be careful who you see. I don't use anyone on the Internet. In MN we have a number of good healers. Modern medicine is great but has its limitations. If I was starving from achalasia (like now), I would want a good surgeon. If I was hemorrhaging, I would want a good ER doc. But I know from personal and professional experience, that when it comes to many chronic illnesses or oddities, adding a competent complimentary (CAM) healer can help. It has helped me a great deal. Often times you will find people by word of mouth. Check out the book I told you about by Gerber called " Vibrational Medicine. " He is an MD with an open mind. I've been exploring and Researching alternative healing for 17 years. I'm no expert but I know it to be real and NOT a Scam. Safe journeys, Faith Sent from my iPod On May 12, 2012, at 11:07, Kim Abrams <xploring37@...> wrote: > I can definitely relate. I am only a year into this and there have been times I would have tried just about anything if I thought it would make this a little better. As I sit here trying to choke down some soup I am thinking the same thing!! I was also thinking about trying acupuncture as well or going to a Chinese herbalist, especially when my mom told me the one she went to can tell what is wrong with you just by looking at your tongue. I have been suffering from ulcerated viral infections in my mouth for about 4 1/2 months now and my GP and GI both said it probably has nothing to do with Achalasia and that was that. > > I like the homeopathic approach as much as possible and think I have seen some of these scams that have said they can cure Achalasia, which we all know is BS!!! I just don't want to try anything that could make it worse! I hate feeling like a test tube dummy! > > Kim A > > > ________________________________ > From: puddleriver13 <puddleriver13@...> > achalasia > Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: ACHALASIA > > > > > I agree. I certainly tried everything under the sun, for years, and most of the *best* stuff, worked *a bit* ~~ and for those years, a *bit* was enough. Caffeine, nicotine, fat, magnesium, B150, Hyoscamine, DHEA (for the lady hormones) -- was looking into acupuncture when the ol' body hit the wall, despite everything. > > The thing is, the scams don't ONLY target Achalasians, but lots of other people with much more toxic diseases than we have. That there are people ready willing and able to prey on people, and possibly even kill them for a damned dollar simply outrages me. It isn't a *game*. . . . > > xox > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Â > > > My mother is really into treating whatever you can homeopathically. Has anyone ever tried this? > > > > > > Â Â > > > > > > http://www.lasnofax.com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I think I misunderstood the meaning behind homeopathy and really meant natural, with little side effects. I only take acid reflux medication and Nifedepine when I need it but nothing else ( other than vitamins ) I would not have bought this anyways, but was curious like I am sure most of us would be.  Again, not sure how you know so much about not only Achalasia, but a wide array of topics. There are many topics that go over my head but most I can understand fairly well.  Thanks again for taking the time to explain things.  Kim A ________________________________ From: notan ostrich <notan_ostrich@...> achalasia Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Re: Fw: ACHALASIA  Kim wrote: > > > I like the homeopathic approach as much as possible ... > In that case I have two suggestions. Homeopathy believes that the way to treat an illness is to give the patient something, in very small doses, that causes the same symptoms as the illness. In other words, in stronger doses in a healthy person the remedy would cause a state that would be like the illness, (homeo=like, pathy=illness). So, for achalasia you should be looking for things that cause problems swallowing, loss of peristalsis, failure of the LES to relax, higher LES pressure, spasms, and esophageal neuropathy. I know that is counterintuitive but that is fundamental to the workings of homeopathy. Homeopathy was developed about the same time as others were developing the theory that microbes caused a number of diseased and the way to treat those diseases was to identify the microbes causing the symptoms not just the symptoms and deal with the microbes. This other approach of finding a cause for an illness and dealing with the cause instead of the symptoms became the basis for treating many diseases not just infectious ones. This lead to a split in medicine and homeopathy went its own way. Homeopathy also believes that a Homeopathic remedy becomes stronger the more it is diluted. I know this can also be counterintuitive but don't be confused by, things like the smell, taste or color which will become weaker with dilution, or by anything from chemistry or physics (homeopathy has also gone its own way away from chemistry and physics). Homeopathy only says the effectiveness becomes stronger not any of those other things. So, once you find your remedy don't buy a large amount. Just buy a tiny amount and keep diluting it until you have enough for a long long time. I hope I have saved you some money. notan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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