Re: For Ray, Coca-Cola case report.

[Guest guest]

Notan,

Is there something special about coke or can

something like Zevia or Knutson ginger ale work.

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On Jun 10, 2012, at 23:00, notan ostrich <notan_ostrich@...> wrote:

> Maybe you have seen these before. I thought you would find them interesting.

>

> Oesophageal food impaction in achalasia treated with Coca-Cola and

> nifedipine

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3029598

> " She was treated successfully with nifedipine, in combination with

> Coca-Cola... "

>

> It has a description of the carbonation breaking up the food similar to

> the effect I was trying to show with the carbonation photos.

>

> There is another paper that suggest carbonation can be use to " distends

> the esophagus and propel the food " In this case tartaric acid and sodium

> bicarbonate were used to produce the effect but it was not in achalasia.

> Notice what happened in the study listed after it. You don't want to

> create a tear so that type of method needs to be used with caution. A

> soda is a much less forceful way to produce pressure unless a person was

> quickly drinking a full drink.

>

> Acute esophageal food impaction treated by gas-forming agents.

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6294735

>

> Use of gas-forming agents in esophageal food impactions.

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2837929

> " A success rate of 65% was achieved, with one patient suffering a

> mucosal tear of the esophagus. Recommendations are made to limit the use

> of such gas-forming agents to impactions less than six hours old and in

> patients without chest pain. "

>

> Dislodgement of impacted oesophageal foreign bodies with carbonated

> beverages.

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3791858

>

> Also of interest is:

>

> Proteolytic enzymes for oesophageal meat impaction.

> And

> Effervescent agents for oesophageal food bolus impaction.

> Both at:

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1726675/pdf/v022p00122.pdf

>

> The enzymes were not recommended. The acid in a cola in time would also

> do some digesting of food in the esophagus but could also cause

> heartburn if it sat there digesting food.

>

> I think only the first study listed at the top of this messages dealt

> specifically with achalasia so the others may not apply as well. Also,

> in that first study the LES was relaxed by using nifedipine, which is

> good to know if you have some on had. Otherwise, if there is room for

> some chocolate or mint and you have time for it to work it may help to

> relax the LES a little before the carbonation.

>

> notan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Faith, I think each of us is a bit different, but Mountain Dew worked best for

me: combo, I think, of very high caffeine (which relaxes the LES) and

carbination, which is also very high. And I did try both Coke and Ginger Ale,

too. Also with either plain dark chocolate or mint/chocolate (York patties).

Interestingly, *my body* knew this BEFORE I found this group.

xox /WV

>

> > Maybe you have seen these before. I thought you would find them interesting.

> >

> > Oesophageal food impaction in achalasia treated with Coca-Cola and

> > nifedipine

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3029598

> > " She was treated successfully with nifedipine, in combination with

> > Coca-Cola... "

> >

> > It has a description of the carbonation breaking up the food similar to

> > the effect I was trying to show with the carbonation photos.

> >

> > There is another paper that suggest carbonation can be use to " distends

> > the esophagus and propel the food " In this case tartaric acid and sodium

> > bicarbonate were used to produce the effect but it was not in achalasia.

> > Notice what happened in the study listed after it. You don't want to

> > create a tear so that type of method needs to be used with caution. A

> > soda is a much less forceful way to produce pressure unless a person was

> > quickly drinking a full drink.

> >

> > Acute esophageal food impaction treated by gas-forming agents.

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6294735

> >

> > Use of gas-forming agents in esophageal food impactions.

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2837929

> > " A success rate of 65% was achieved, with one patient suffering a

> > mucosal tear of the esophagus. Recommendations are made to limit the use

> > of such gas-forming agents to impactions less than six hours old and in

> > patients without chest pain. "

> >

> > Dislodgement of impacted oesophageal foreign bodies with carbonated

> > beverages.

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3791858

> >

> > Also of interest is:

> >

> > Proteolytic enzymes for oesophageal meat impaction.

> > And

> > Effervescent agents for oesophageal food bolus impaction.

> > Both at:

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1726675/pdf/v022p00122.pdf

> >

> > The enzymes were not recommended. The acid in a cola in time would also

> > do some digesting of food in the esophagus but could also cause

> > heartburn if it sat there digesting food.

> >

> > I think only the first study listed at the top of this messages dealt

> > specifically with achalasia so the others may not apply as well. Also,

> > in that first study the LES was relaxed by using nifedipine, which is

> > good to know if you have some on had. Otherwise, if there is room for

> > some chocolate or mint and you have time for it to work it may help to

> > relax the LES a little before the carbonation.

> >

> > notan

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi notan

Thanks notan for the articles on Coke.

My history on Coke was about 5 years ago bought a medical book on stomach and

Achalasia, was a 2005 book..

http://www.amazon.com/Doctors-Guide-Gastrointestinal-Health-Diverticulitis/dp/04\

71462373/ref=la_B001HCU9V0_1_1?ie=UTF8 & qid=1339457417 & sr=1-1

It had several pages on Achalasia and confirmed that carbonated beverages helps

loosen

The LES and may improve symptoms. The expanding CO2 helps to push the food

through the LES.

At the same time sent me a private email explaining how he used diet

Coke.

For the last 22 years went each day to Mcs for coffee, then finally

coffee would not go through., so I went to the fountain and drank the CO2 off

the top of the Coke for 10 minutes, finally the coke passed through the LES. I

did this for 6 months, then the HOT coffee started to work.

Coke has something great in it, I remember 50 years ago when my kids got the

flu, and were throwing up green, the Doctor said to go to the drug store and get

Coke syrup, it stopped the throwing up. I use Coke a lot, even for indigestion,

also for hiccups, Today I try to keep it to one a day as my sugar is near the

top, about 100.

Today I am not perfect, maybe 50 % better than went it all started; believe it

was at age 75. The secret is MANAGING the Achalasia, but if I was young earning

a living I would have a dilation ay least. A cure will be found, probably not in

my life time.

Fast walking, breathing deep, expanding the lungs helps to push the food through

the LES. Have not tried Mountain Dew, has more caffeine but seems to be lacking

the Phosphoric acid in Coke. Ingredients seem to differ for each country. If it

has a lot of CO2, that may work.

Ray CA OC 81 no HM or dilation, very active.

>

> Maybe you have seen these before. I thought you would find them interesting.

>

> Oesophageal food impaction in achalasia treated with Coca-Cola and

> nifedipine

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3029598

> " She was treated successfully with nifedipine, in combination with

> Coca-Cola... "

>

> It has a description of the carbonation breaking up the food similar to

> the effect I was trying to show with the carbonation photos.

>

> There is another paper that suggest carbonation can be use to " distends

> the esophagus and propel the food " In this case tartaric acid and sodium

> bicarbonate were used to produce the effect but it was not in achalasia.

> Notice what happened in the study listed after it. You don't want to

> create a tear so that type of method needs to be used with caution. A

> soda is a much less forceful way to produce pressure unless a person was

> quickly drinking a full drink.

>

> Acute esophageal food impaction treated by gas-forming agents.

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6294735

>

> Use of gas-forming agents in esophageal food impactions.

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2837929

> " A success rate of 65% was achieved, with one patient suffering a

> mucosal tear of the esophagus. Recommendations are made to limit the use

> of such gas-forming agents to impactions less than six hours old and in

> patients without chest pain. "

>

> Dislodgement of impacted oesophageal foreign bodies with carbonated

> beverages.

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3791858

>

> Also of interest is:

>

> Proteolytic enzymes for oesophageal meat impaction.

> And

> Effervescent agents for oesophageal food bolus impaction.

> Both at:

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1726675/pdf/v022p00122.pdf

>

> The enzymes were not recommended. The acid in a cola in time would also

> do some digesting of food in the esophagus but could also cause

> heartburn if it sat there digesting food.

>

> I think only the first study listed at the top of this messages dealt

> specifically with achalasia so the others may not apply as well. Also,

> in that first study the LES was relaxed by using nifedipine, which is

> good to know if you have some on had. Otherwise, if there is room for

> some chocolate or mint and you have time for it to work it may help to

> relax the LES a little before the carbonation.

>

> notan

>

[Guest guest]

Wild - I know everyone is unique, but this is something that definitely never

helped me, even pre-myotomy. I had my myotomy in Dec, 2010, and I still cannot

drink carbonated anything while I'm eating food. I can barely manage carbonated

drinks if I'm not eating

> >>

> >> Maybe you have seen these before. I thought you would find them

interesting.

> >>

> >> Oesophageal food impaction in achalasia treated with Coca-Cola and

> >> nifedipine

> >> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3029598

> >> " She was treated successfully with nifedipine, in combination with

> >> Coca-Cola... "

> >>

> >> It has a description of the carbonation breaking up the food similar to

> >> the effect I was trying to show with the carbonation photos.

> >>

> >> There is another paper that suggest carbonation can be use to " distends

> >> the esophagus and propel the food " In this case tartaric acid and sodium

> >> bicarbonate were used to produce the effect but it was not in achalasia.

> >> Notice what happened in the study listed after it. You don't want to

> >> create a tear so that type of method needs to be used with caution. A

> >> soda is a much less forceful way to produce pressure unless a person was

> >> quickly drinking a full drink.

> >>

> >> Acute esophageal food impaction treated by gas-forming agents.

> >> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6294735

> >>

> >> Use of gas-forming agents in esophageal food impactions.

> >> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2837929

> >> " A success rate of 65% was achieved, with one patient suffering a

> >> mucosal tear of the esophagus. Recommendations are made to limit the use

> >> of such gas-forming agents to impactions less than six hours old and in

> >> patients without chest pain. "

> >>

> >> Dislodgement of impacted oesophageal foreign bodies with carbonated

> >> beverages.

> >> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3791858

> >>

> >> Also of interest is:

> >>

> >> Proteolytic enzymes for oesophageal meat impaction.

> >> And

> >> Effervescent agents for oesophageal food bolus impaction.

> >> Both at:

> >> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1726675/pdf/v022p00122.pdf

> >>

> >> The enzymes were not recommended. The acid in a cola in time would also

> >> do some digesting of food in the esophagus but could also cause

> >> heartburn if it sat there digesting food.

> >>

> >> I think only the first study listed at the top of this messages dealt

> >> specifically with achalasia so the others may not apply as well. Also,

> >> in that first study the LES was relaxed by using nifedipine, which is

> >> good to know if you have some on had. Otherwise, if there is room for

> >> some chocolate or mint and you have time for it to work it may help to

> >> relax the LES a little before the carbonation.

> >>

> >> notan

> >>

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