Guest guest Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 I knew this all along. The original pdf states Ca channel blockers are largely ineffective and have many adverse side effects. One promising pharmacological treatment is to reduce the dose of Ca++ and add morphine to increase efficacy and reduce side effect profile. This has been my long-term experience with a MSIR and Gabapentin regimen that has been markedly more effctive than dilations, HM, botulinum, tricyclics or Ca channel blockers alone. And, yes, opioids titrated to effect will increase life function, allowing achalasians to eat, live, work, drive and socialize much better on them than without. Steve http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8381758 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Steve wrote: > > I knew this all along. The original pdf states Ca channel blockers are > largely ineffective and have many adverse side effects. > I would think it is common knowledge to anyone that has been in this support group long-term and follows these things. A key phrase in your statement is " largely ineffective " which should not be taken to mean never effective. They are for some people effective. Sometimes that effectiveness drops over time but that does not mean the good time is not worth pursuing. Also, the " many adverse side effects " are often minimal and not even noticed, but for those that get head aches they could be very noticeable and for those with low blood pressure they may not be advisable. Some people are going to focus on the first part of my last sentence and some are going to focus on the last part, they should focus on both. > > One promising pharmacological treatment is to reduce the dose of Ca++ > and add morphine to increase efficacy and reduce side effect profile. > This has been my long-term experience with a MSIR and Gabapentin > regimen that has been markedly more effctive than dilations, HM, > botulinum, tricyclics or Ca channel blockers alone. > I am glad it works for you. I wasn't aware that Gabapentin (Neurontin) was a calcium channel blocker. I looked it up and see that it is. Years ago in this support group there was a discussion about speculation that Neurontin might be helpful with the achalasia neuropathy (NCCP) but two members went to a medical achalasia convention and asked a doctor there about it and didn't get an encouraging response. Were you prescribe it specifically for achalasia? I wonder how the CCB effects compare to other drugs that are normally used as CCBs. It would be an interesting choice because of the other effects with neuropathy if they actually work for achalasia in spite of the unencouraging doctors response. > > And, yes, opioids titrated to effect will increase life function, > allowing achalasians to eat, live, work, drive and socialize much > better on them than without. > Heller myotomy did that for me so opioids are not going to help me. Perhaps you meant, " allowing " SOME " achalasians to ... . " I know I am being picky here but I think opiods do have a place in treating achalasia, for some people, and I would hate for the discussion of it to be dismissed because in overstating the positives of it we sound like we are pushing an agenda. Steve, people are not going to trust your opinion when you sound like you are pushing your personal agenda. It is a natural response when faced with ignorance and bias to overstate things to make a point. Kind of like shouting and like shouting it may cause people to decide to stop listening. Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 I took nefedipine for years.  It was the one medication recommended by my otherwise useless doctor in Uruguay that actually helped me swallow sometimes.  I continued to take it after my surgery.  I had no side effects that I am aware of, but of course, other people's experiences may differ. ________________________________ From: notan ostrich <notan_ostrich@...> achalasia Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Morphine reduces LES pressure  Steve wrote: > > I knew this all along. The original pdf states Ca channel blockers are > largely ineffective and have many adverse side effects. > I would think it is common knowledge to anyone that has been in this support group long-term and follows these things. A key phrase in your statement is " largely ineffective " which should not be taken to mean never effective. They are for some people effective. Sometimes that effectiveness drops over time but that does not mean the good time is not worth pursuing. Also, the " many adverse side effects " are often minimal and not even noticed, but for those that get head aches they could be very noticeable and for those with low blood pressure they may not be advisable. Some people are going to focus on the first part of my last sentence and some are going to focus on the last part, they should focus on both. > > One promising pharmacological treatment is to reduce the dose of Ca++ > and add morphine to increase efficacy and reduce side effect profile. > This has been my long-term experience with a MSIR and Gabapentin > regimen that has been markedly more effctive than dilations, HM, > botulinum, tricyclics or Ca channel blockers alone. > I am glad it works for you. I wasn't aware that Gabapentin (Neurontin) was a calcium channel blocker. I looked it up and see that it is. Years ago in this support group there was a discussion about speculation that Neurontin might be helpful with the achalasia neuropathy (NCCP) but two members went to a medical achalasia convention and asked a doctor there about it and didn't get an encouraging response. Were you prescribe it specifically for achalasia? I wonder how the CCB effects compare to other drugs that are normally used as CCBs. It would be an interesting choice because of the other effects with neuropathy if they actually work for achalasia in spite of the unencouraging doctors response. > > And, yes, opioids titrated to effect will increase life function, > allowing achalasians to eat, live, work, drive and socialize much > better on them than without. > Heller myotomy did that for me so opioids are not going to help me. Perhaps you meant, " allowing " SOME " achalasians to ... . " I know I am being picky here but I think opiods do have a place in treating achalasia, for some people, and I would hate for the discussion of it to be dismissed because in overstating the positives of it we sound like we are pushing an agenda. Steve, people are not going to trust your opinion when you sound like you are pushing your personal agenda. It is a natural response when faced with ignorance and bias to overstate things to make a point. Kind of like shouting and like shouting it may cause people to decide to stop listening. Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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