Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 , I think you are looking at it all wrong. Your family is exposed to bacteria and viruses everyday, yet you only get sick on occassion. When you do get sick, I am willing to bet that it is only for a short time, and the symptoms are very mild. While it would be ideal to not ever get sick, I do think that it is necessary to allow your body to fight off certain things in order to establish a rock-solid immune system. Thousands of people die from things that we would consider mild, such as the flu, a minor cut that gets infected, a stomach bug, etc, but these are all people who have compromised immune systems. These are also the same people that will be affected by a so called pandemic, but I personally believe that this is all a big scare tactic that pharma companies and our government ame up with. That said, I don't think you or your family have anything to worry about. Brieanne Carver <jenjackcarver@...> wrote: Maybe someone can answer this question. We are a extremely healthy family. We eat only organic food, RO water, get good rest and have a great faith. However, our family still gets the occasional cold once in a while. I know that stress, etc can have a lot to do with it but if we can get a simple cold than who is to say that we can not get the actual diseases. I would consider our families immune system to be GREAT! But if we can get these little things than we are sure to get some pandemic (f and when) it should occur. Should be just wait until then and then consider vaccines?? Or should be NEVER, NEVER give them? What should we do?? We are not and will not do the routine childhood vaccines for our children. But if we can get the occasional cold, etc than what do we do if the big one hits?? jen c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 At 02:42 PM 11/6/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Maybe someone can answer this question. We are a extremely healthy family. >We eat only organic food, RO water, get good rest and have a great faith. >However, our family still gets the occasional cold once in a while. I know >that stress, etc can have a lot to do with it but if we can get a simple >cold than who is to say that we can not get the actual diseases. I would >consider our families immune system to be GREAT! But if we can get these >little things than we are sure to get some pandemic (f and when) it should >occur. Should be just wait until then and then consider vaccines?? Or >should be NEVER, NEVER give them? What should we do?? > >We are not and will not do the routine childhood vaccines for our children. >But if we can get the occasional cold, etc than what do we do if the big one >hits?? > >jen c Hi all & Jen, Colds are not a negative thing! They are positive. They give the body a chance to get rid of toxins and also help the immune system to develop. Those who are the sickest don't ever or rarely become ill. It is a sign of health to get minor illnesses! Vaccines DO NOT give immunity. Vaccines do not work, so there is no need to consider them, even if they were not dangerous. I really encourage as many of you who can to take my vaccine dangers classes to help understand all of this. I have the price very low at $25 and you will learn TONS. You learn a lot on the list, but we can go through this in a methodical way. I know you are in the class JEN and that will help you immensely! Sheri listowner> -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Better than what I just said Bob Catalano Re: question , I think you are looking at it all wrong. Your family is exposed to bacteria and viruses everyday, yet you only get sick on occassion. When you do get sick, I am willing to bet that it is only for a short time, and the symptoms are very mild. While it would be ideal to not ever get sick, I do think that it is necessary to allow your body to fight off certain things in order to establish a rock-solid immune system. Thousands of people die from things that we would consider mild, such as the flu, a minor cut that gets infected, a stomach bug, etc, but these are all people who have compromised immune systems. These are also the same people that will be affected by a so called pandemic, but I personally believe that this is all a big scare tactic that pharma companies and our government ame up with. That said, I don't think you or your family have anything to worry about. Brieanne Carver <jenjackcarver@...> wrote: Maybe someone can answer this question. We are a extremely healthy family. We eat only organic food, RO water, get good rest and have a great faith. However, our family still gets the occasional cold once in a while. I know that stress, etc can have a lot to do with it but if we can get a simple cold than who is to say that we can not get the actual diseases. I would consider our families immune system to be GREAT! But if we can get these little things than we are sure to get some pandemic (f and when) it should occur. Should be just wait until then and then consider vaccines?? Or should be NEVER, NEVER give them? What should we do?? We are not and will not do the routine childhood vaccines for our children. But if we can get the occasional cold, etc than what do we do if the big one hits?? jen c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Jen C, I have to agree with both Kay and . Though I don't use homeopathy (yet) with my family's ailments, I do strongly believe in the healing power of food. Just eating organic isn't always enough. Maintaining high levels of anti-oxidants and phyto-chemicals is imperitive when actively trying to ward off illness and disease. This can only be accomplished by consuming wholefood nutrient-dense and of course organic fruits and vegetables everyday and plenty of them. Beware of so-called organic pre-packaged foods. They have found a way to slip toxins in but produce remains untouched and pure. High quality EFA's on a daily basis also offers a world of good including a stronger immune system. Welcome those shortlived symptoms and know that they are working for you and your children. The less you stress, the quicker they pass. Most importantly, avoid vaccines like the plague or you may become suseptable to one. Anita Carver <jenjackcarver@...> wrote: Maybe someone can answer this question. We are a extremely healthy family. We eat only organic food, RO water, get good rest and have a great faith. However, our family still gets the occasional cold once in a while. I know that stress, etc can have a lot to do with it but if we can get a simple cold than who is to say that we can not get the actual diseases. I would consider our families immune system to be GREAT! But if we can get these little things than we are sure to get some pandemic (f and when) it should occur. Should be just wait until then and then consider vaccines?? Or should be NEVER, NEVER give them? What should we do?? We are not and will not do the routine childhood vaccines for our children. But if we can get the occasional cold, etc than what do we do if the big one hits?? jen c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Bob, I have had allopaths offer to remove swollen lymph nodes from oldest son and adenoids from my youngest. Neither got cut because of the absurdity of their reasoning as you pointed out. Both are healthy and still have all their parts working for them. Anita Bob Catalano <Bob@...> wrote: A healthy immune system reacts to whatever comes along. Change in blood pressure or temperature, a swelling and even the common cold is the immune system's way of dealing with a problem. Why the immune system deals in this way, I don't know. The medical experts don't care; but artificially containing a cold, lowering the blood pressure, bringing down a swelling, just adds another problem to burden carried by the immune system. Tonsilitis is good example. The job of the tonsils is to protect us from disease. When they are inflamed, they are doing their job. Wasn't it absurd to remove them simply because they were doing what they were originally meant to do? Bob Catalano question Maybe someone can answer this question. We are a extremely healthy family. We eat only organic food, RO water, get good rest and have a great faith. However, our family still gets the occasional cold once in a while. I know that stress, etc can have a lot to do with it but if we can get a simple cold than who is to say that we can not get the actual diseases. I would consider our families immune system to be GREAT! But if we can get these little things than we are sure to get some pandemic (f and when) it should occur. Should be just wait until then and then consider vaccines?? Or should be NEVER, NEVER give them? What should we do?? We are not and will not do the routine childhood vaccines for our children. But if we can get the occasional cold, etc than what do we do if the big one hits?? jen c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 > > Maybe someone can answer this question. We are a extremely healthy family. > We eat only organic food, RO water Hey Jen, This isn't an answer to your overall question... but you mentioned RO water... here is an interesting article... http://shop.snyderhealth.com/article_info.php?articles_id=29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 > > Jen C, > I have to agree with both Kay and . Though I don't use homeopathy (yet) with my family's ailments, I do strongly believe in the healing power of food. Just eating organic isn't always enough. Maintaining high levels of anti-oxidants and phyto-chemicals is imperitive when actively trying to ward off illness and disease. This can only be accomplished by consuming wholefood nutrient-dense and of course organic fruits and vegetables everyday and plenty of them.<snipped for brevity) Yes, I agree with this, nutrition is key. I won't rule out homeopathy, I am not well versed, but I think it's key in treating ailments and much more effective than allopathic medicine. Here's the thing. This is a whole crap load of elements out there that can make us sick. The food we eat, the air we breathe, the chemicals in our house, our carpets, our wall paper, the smog in the air, the car fumes, driving behind the bus, standing next to the sickie in the elevator etc... etc.. etc... so we will get sick. How our body handles it is the issue. If we avoid toxins (aka vaccines and unnessecary stupid medicines) and eat well and control what we can control, we are much better off. By controlling what we can control, we can build up a stronger immune system to deal with what we cannot control. Love and Blessings... Laurette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 At 03:59 PM 11/6/2005 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/6/2005 3:30:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, >vaccineinfo@... writes: >Those who are the sickest don't ever or rarely become ill. >YIKES!! >I thought I was doing great as I or my children rarely get sick. Are you >saying I am actually unhealthy because I don't generally get sick? >Beth -GA > Not always but sometimes this is the case. If the vital force (what we call the energy system of the body) is too weak to produce symptoms, no symptoms, therefore you don't appear to have a cold, etc. The symptoms are the way the vital force dissipates a disturbance. There still may be a disturbance but if the vital force is too weak OR occupied elsewhere (something stronger or life threatening) you won't produce symptoms of a cold. Its a little hard to wrap your head around it, For example - I was having hot flashes since March and had been working with various remedies but it was hard while traveling. I stepped in a big hole and sprained my ankle and fell in Ireland a month ago. Jarred my whole body and very badly sprained my ankle and strained other 3 limbs. Hot flashes stopped! Theory behind this, homeopathically, is that the VF had to deal with a stronger condition/disease - ie. the sprained ankle - and the other symptoms left because Vital Force busy with healing the other - producing symptoms is what is healing and dissipating of the disturbance. And often 2 diseases can't exist at the same time - ie imbalance producing hot flasshes and sprained ankle. So the hot flashes were not there as the vital force not dissipating the disturbance that caused them.......it could only work on the sprained ankle. After a few weeks, hot flashes started coming back, but not as severe. But in your case I don't know. If you are very healthy may not have much susceptibility to things so therefore won't 'get ill' and produce symptoms. Its hard to say without knowing you. But something to keep in mind. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Laurette, So is it safe to drink the RO water in those light blue plastic bottles? So I'm not getting any valuable minerals from the filtered water then? Sheri B. Laurette <Laurette@...> wrote: > > Maybe someone can answer this question. We are a extremely healthy family. > We eat only organic food, RO water Hey Jen, This isn't an answer to your overall question... but you mentioned RO water... here is an interesting article... http://shop.snyderhealth.com/article_info.php?articles_id=29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Sheri, We're not getting essential minerals by drinking distilled water either. Maybe I'll buy non-carbonated mineral water to mix with distilled by half. What do you think? Anita " Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote: Laurette, So is it safe to drink the RO water in those light blue plastic bottles? So I'm not getting any valuable minerals from the filtered water then? Sheri B. Laurette <Laurette@...> wrote: > > Maybe someone can answer this question. We are a extremely healthy family. > We eat only organic food, RO water Hey Jen, This isn't an answer to your overall question... but you mentioned RO water... here is an interesting article... http://shop.snyderhealth.com/article_info.php?articles_id=29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 > > Laurette, > > So is it safe to drink the RO water in those light blue plastic bottles? So I'm not getting any valuable minerals from the filtered water then? > > Sheri B. Hey Sheri, I wouldn't say it was " unsafe " just not really beneficial at all. I am going to foward your question to DH though, only because he can answer better than I can, and I don't want to just say anything LOL He is really the " expert " on this pH stuff, so he can answer you in detail... I'll foward this to him... Love Laurette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 http://www.traceminerals.com/products/drops.html This is what I add to my R.O. water to make sure I get my minerals. Re: Re: question Sheri, We're not getting essential minerals by drinking distilled water either. Maybe I'll buy non-carbonated mineral water to mix with distilled by half. What do you think? Anita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Hi Sheri, this is amamzing stuff and now I know why my son got so many chest infections and still gets many colds. He does overcome them very well with my Loving Care (and Breastmilk when he was still feeding) and sometimes homeopathic remedies if he cannot cope. But he is always so much stronger afterwards. Also, once he had an ear infection and right afterwards the flu but recovered well, without antibiotics. I read Miranda Castro's book where she mentiones the Vital Force and describes how it works so I feel more educated now and grateful for knowing all this as it helped me understand my son better. Ingrid Not always but sometimes this is the case. If the vital force (what we call the energy system of the body) is too weak to produce symptoms, no symptoms, therefore you don't appear to have a cold, etc. The symptoms are the way the vital force dissipates a disturbance. There still may be a disturbance but if the vital force is too weak OR occupied elsewhere (something stronger or life threatening) you won't produce symptoms of a cold. Its a little hard to wrap your head around it, For example - I was having hot flashes since March and had been working with various remedies but it was hard while traveling. I stepped in a big hole and sprained my ankle and fell in Ireland a month ago. Jarred my whole body and very badly sprained my ankle and strained other 3 limbs. Hot flashes stopped! Theory behind this, homeopathically, is that the VF had to deal with a stronger condition/disease - ie. the sprained ankle - and the other symptoms left because Vital Force busy with healing the other - producing symptoms is what is healing and dissipating of the disturbance. And often 2 diseases can't exist at the same time - ie imbalance producing hot flasshes and sprained ankle. So the hot flashes were not there as the vital force not dissipating the disturbance that caused them.......it could only work on the sprained ankle. After a few weeks, hot flashes started coming back, but not as severe. But in your case I don't know. If you are very healthy may not have much susceptibility to things so therefore won't 'get ill' and produce symptoms. Its hard to say without knowing you. But something to keep in mind. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I agree with what you are saying, and I think fear and worry make the immune system even weaker for already weak people. The drug companies know this and fear is a great help for them to sell us their drugs. Apparently there is already resistance to Tamiflu and it hasn't been around tha long. Our bodies are too clever to be messed about by more drugs and the bugs quickly develop resistance to these chemicals. Ingrid , I think you are looking at it all wrong. Your family is exposed to bacteria and viruses everyday, yet you only get sick on occassion. When you do get sick, I am willing to bet that it is only for a short time, and the symptoms are very mild. While it would be ideal to not ever get sick, I do think that it is necessary to allow your body to fight off certain things in order to establish a rock-solid immune system. Thousands of people die from things that we would consider mild, such as the flu, a minor cut that gets infected, a stomach bug, etc, but these are all people who have compromised immune systems. These are also the same people that will be affected by a so called pandemic, but I personally believe that this is all a big scare tactic that pharma companies and our government ame up with. That said, I don't think you or your family have anything to worry about. Brieanne Carver <jenjackcarver@...> wrote: Maybe someone can answer this question. We are a extremely healthy family. We eat only organic food, RO water, get good rest and have a great faith. However, our family still gets the occasional cold once in a while. I know that stress, etc can have a lot to do with it but if we can get a simple cold than who is to say that we can not get the actual diseases. I would consider our families immune system to be GREAT! But if we can get these little things than we are sure to get some pandemic (f and when) it should occur. Should be just wait until then and then consider vaccines?? Or should be NEVER, NEVER give them? What should we do?? We are not and will not do the routine childhood vaccines for our children. But if we can get the occasional cold, etc than what do we do if the big one hits?? jen c [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Hi Sheri, thanks again for this wise information, I am so glad I never gave antibiotics for chest infections. I once treated impetigo with Lavender oil, if anyone is interested. Ingrid --- Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: Hi all & Jen, Colds are not a negative thing! They are positive. They give the body a chance to get rid of toxins and also help the immune system to develop. Those who are the sickest don't ever or rarely become ill. It is a sign of health to get minor illnesses! Vaccines DO NOT give immunity. Vaccines do not work, so there is no need to consider them, even if they were not dangerous. I really encourage as many of you who can to take my vaccine dangers classes to help understand all of this. I have the price very low at $25 and you will learn TONS. You learn a lot on the list, but we can go through this in a methodical way. I know you are in the class JEN and that will help you immensely! Sheri listowner> -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Jarred my whole body and very badly sprained my ankle and strained other 3 limbs. Hot flashes stopped! Theory behind this, homeopathically, is that the VF had to deal with a stronger condition/disease - ie. the sprained ankle - and the other symptoms left because Vital Force busy with healing the other Sheri, I have to tell you that this explanation reminds me of a childhood experience (actually many) involving my dearly departed father who I miss more than words could describe. He was a really funny guy and when I, or my brothers, would get a minor injury, he offered to do something silly like step on my foot to distract me from the pain I was focused on. Of course he never did it, but his silly threats always helped the pain go away faster. Not the same thing as you speak of, but the same concept I think. Anita Not always but sometimes this is the case. If the vital force (what we call the energy system of the body) is too weak to produce symptoms, no symptoms, therefore you don't appear to have a cold, etc. The symptoms are the way the vital force dissipates a disturbance. There still may be a disturbance but if the vital force is too weak OR occupied elsewhere (something stronger or life threatening) you won't produce symptoms of a cold. Its a little hard to wrap your head around it, For example - I was having hot flashes since March and had been working with various remedies but it was hard while traveling. I stepped in a big hole and sprained my ankle and fell in Ireland a month ago. Jarred my whole body and very badly sprained my ankle and strained other 3 limbs. Hot flashes stopped! Theory behind this, homeopathically, is that the VF had to deal with a stronger condition/disease - ie. the sprained ankle - and the other symptoms left because Vital Force busy with healing the other - producing symptoms is what is healing and dissipating of the disturbance. And often 2 diseases can't exist at the same time - ie imbalance producing hot flasshes and sprained ankle. So the hot flashes were not there as the vital force not dissipating the disturbance that caused them.......it could only work on the sprained ankle. After a few weeks, hot flashes started coming back, but not as severe. But in your case I don't know. If you are very healthy may not have much susceptibility to things so therefore won't 'get ill' and produce symptoms. Its hard to say without knowing you. But something to keep in mind. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 At 04:00 AM 11/7/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Jarred my >whole body and very badly sprained my ankle and >strained other 3 limbs. >Hot flashes stopped! Theory behind this, >homeopathically, is that the VF >had to deal with a stronger condition/disease - ie. >the sprained ankle - >and the other symptoms left because Vital Force busy >with healing the other > > >Sheri, >I have to tell you that this explanation reminds me of a childhood experience (actually many) involving my dearly departed father who I miss more than words could describe. He was a really funny guy and when I, or my brothers, would get a minor injury, he offered to do something silly like step on my foot to distract me from the pain I was focused on. Of course he never did it, but his silly threats always helped the pain go away faster. Not the same thing as you speak of, but the same concept I think. > >Anita Yes, it does sound similar! And my heart still goes out to you about the loss of your father earlier this eyar Sheri > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 At 05:11 PM 1/25/2006 -0800, you wrote: >I'm being told that vaccine makers haven't used aborted fetus cells since the 60's. In effect they are using cloned cells now... > >Any great comebacks to this? > >Cheryl > sorry ain't true See my webpage http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/abortedtissue.htm and read the links especially here - straight from the CDC's mouth - http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/gen/humancell.htm " CDC is aware that some, but not all, vaccines are made from human cell-line cultures, and some of these cell lines originated from aborted fetal tissue, obtained from legal abortions in the 1960's. No new fetal tissue is needed to produce cell lines to make these vaccines, now or in the future. Fetal tissue is not used to produce vaccines; cell lines generated from a single fetal tissue source are used--vaccine manufacturers obtain human cell lines from FDA-certified cell banks. " -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 anyway, why would i want cloned cells injected into me? the way cloning works those cells could cause cancer. ella On 1/26/06, Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> wrote: > > At 05:11 PM 1/25/2006 -0800, you wrote: > >I'm being told that vaccine makers haven't used aborted fetus cells since > the 60's. In effect they are using cloned cells now... > > > >Any great comebacks to this? > > > >Cheryl > -- www.rjellybeanslings.com-baby slings tushywushy.blogspot.com-cloth diapers that are leakproof and stay dry ryankachupi.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Thanks Re: Question At 05:11 PM 1/25/2006 -0800, you wrote: >I'm being told that vaccine makers haven't used aborted fetus cells since the 60's. In effect they are using cloned cells now... > >Any great comebacks to this? > >Cheryl > sorry ain't true See my webpage http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/abortedtissue.htm and read the links especially here - straight from the CDC's mouth - http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/gen/humancell.htm " CDC is aware that some, but not all, vaccines are made from human cell-line cultures, and some of these cell lines originated from aborted fetal tissue, obtained from legal abortions in the 1960's. No new fetal tissue is needed to produce cell lines to make these vaccines, now or in the future. Fetal tissue is not used to produce vaccines; cell lines generated from a single fetal tissue source are used--vaccine manufacturers obtain human cell lines from FDA-certified cell banks. " -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 jen, i don't think unvaccinated children are in more danger than " other children " to any disease. for the simple reason that unvaccinated children have stronger immune systems to start with. they are also more likely to be breast-fed, more likely to be kept away from antibiotics and other immune system killing drugs, more likely to be brought up in a more attached way, etc, for the simple reason that parents who do not vaccinate are generally more aware of other potential " issues " as well. there is far more to us humans than this sick medical system alleges. the medical system follows the belief of pasteur's theory that viruses and/or bacteria cause disease. which, to my mind, is utter bs. it is absolutely not based on sound science at all. firstly, none of those " disease-causing " virii have EVER been isolated, not even with today's technology. secondly, it is literally impossible to " treat " a disease by injecting poisons into the bloodstream or stuffing poisons down one's throat. and, of course, first and foremost, it is impossible to cure a disease if one does not take the entire being into account. we are not merely made up of a physical body ;-) you may benefit from reading jim west's pages (sheri just today or yesterday posted his links). they may sound outrageous at first sight, but once mulled over, you're likely to see a lot of sense in them. another good idea is to read up on the vitamin c stuff, which sheri posts fairly regularly on here, and maybe also do a google search on stefan lanka, there's quite a bit in english now as well. hth, claudia --- Carver <jenjackcarver@...> wrote: > Sherri, > > or maybe anyone can answer this. > > If a child that was Just vaccinated can pass the > disease through their > bowels for a few days (after vaccination) , AND it > is dangerous for non > vaccinated children to be around them....... can't > the same risk be for > the vaccinated child too....or even the parents, > daycare people,etc? I mean > NOT just the non vaccinated children are at risk for > the disease .....i mean > if vaccines don't really work...right? > > I hope i explained this clearly. Let me know if > this did not make sense. I > just wondered if non vaccinated children are in MORE > danger than other > children to the disease. > > jen c > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. " Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong " Wilde http://lady-karelia.livejournal.com/ __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 I'd recommend not doing JC or NS, only because of the cost - and you will eventually have to figure out how to eat on your own - portions, etc.... I did JC and had success with it, just the cost got too out of reach for me. Just my opinion, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I believe Craig and Nutrisystem are pretty similar. I did JC three times and my biggest complaint is the cost of the food. It's pretty outrageous. The selection of foods is good--not great, but good--and you still have to buy all your milk/yogurt and fruits and veggies from the store. The meals are similar to Smart Ones and Lean Cuisine. Only instead of being $1.50-$3.50 each, they are more like $5-6 each. The last time I did it was a year ago (almost exactly) and after being on it for two weeks, decided I could do it on my own with the help of the Lean Cuisine and Smart Ones meals Good luck with whatever you decide! -Bonnie > Have any of you done Craig or Nutisystem? > Dh and I were discussing this tonight. I was > wonder ing about price and successwith thses 2 > plans. I think these and Food Movers are about > the only things I have npt tried. > > Diane in NC > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Yea I tried to do Lean Cuisines 2 per day (lunch and dinner) with cereal for breakfast for five days and then two days of cooking. As much as I like SOME of the Lean Cuisines, I don't like them all enough to keep it up for very long so I just cook. I use my Foodmover to help me with portions and go from there.brgk44 <brgk44@...> wrote: >>the food is similar to lean cuisines or smart ones<< In Inanna's Love, -Sapphyre WyndsSongs Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I used to work at JC and I went on the program. Even with my discount it was expenseive. I lost some but not as wuch as I wanted to. I quit because I was hungry constantly and that made me grouchy. Blessed be, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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