Question for the Group

[Guest guest]

Summer,

I know what you mean about the headaches. I have switched to the LL method

and have had no pain or agony, with the exception of the sore muscles that

are finally so happy to be getting a much needed workout. The Breath itself,

is so much gentler and natural. Not so extremely forced or worked up. The

head aches are a thing of the past for me, but if you should continue to get

them, for some reason, when doing LL, just email Rashelle and she will help

you to figure out the problem, or email the board, one way or another, you're

gonna do just great!

Sincerely,

Tami

In a message dated 3/15/00 11:02:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, imhis98@...

writes:

<< Hello everyone,

I ordered the tapes, but I have a question for the group. Did anyone

get

a headache from doing the LL tapes? I always did with the BF tapes, so just

stopped doing them because the headaches got so bad I couldn't even see.

The

headaches went away after I stopped doing the BF tapes.

Thank you in advance,

Summer >>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I do both BF and LL and I would have to say that if you are getting headaches with any of these breathing programs then you are not breathing correctly, which is through the diaphragm. I love LL and I'm thinking perhaps the instruction on the LL tape might help you understand the diaphragmatic breathing better. That is the key to success with these programs. Good luck.

ns

imhis98@... wrote:

From: imhis98@... Hello everyone, I ordered the tapes, but I have a question for the group. Did anyone get a headache from doing the LL tapes? I always did with the BF tapes, so just stopped doing them because the headaches got so bad I couldn't even see. The headaches went away after I stopped doing the BF tapes. Thank you in advance,Summer

[Guest guest]

: I ordered the tapes, but I have a question for the group. Did anyone

get

: a headache from doing the LL tapes? I always did with the BF tapes, so

just

: stopped doing them because the headaches got so bad I couldn't even see.

The

: headaches went away after I stopped doing the BF tapes.

Hi, Summer. I used to get headaches (and sore lungs) from BF regularly,

and when I first did LL I got them occasionally, too. Usually from

breathing too hard, too fast, and doing the PAH too forcefully. Once I

slowed down, and did a long, gentle puh my problems and headaches

disappeared.

Kristy

[Guest guest]

Hi Summer,

We sure had some busy writers on our message boards today. It has taken me a little longer than usual to answer everyone.

It looks like you got some good help and answers from others on the lists. I would say that if you are getting a headache with Life Lift that you are probably doing it with too much intensity. Most people get relief from headaches with Life Lift. One thing you might try is to do the pah with your mouth closed more, think of doing a deep sigh into your belly. It is possible if you have TMJ, or stress in your jaw area, which is very common, you may need to modify the pah and do it more like a puh sound. I have found this to be very helpful and can relieve the stress on your jaws.

Let me know if this helps.

Take care,

Rashelle

You are welcome to visit us at http://www.angelmagic.com or http://www.lifelift.com These are Rashelle's personal web sites, any others belong to distributors.join our discussion group at LifeLift-subscribeonelist

Question for the group

From: imhis98@... Hello everyone, I ordered the tapes, but I have a question for the group. Did anyone get a headache from doing the LL tapes? I always did with the BF tapes, so just stopped doing them because the headaches got so bad I couldn't even see. The headaches went away after I stopped doing the BF tapes. Thank you in advance,Summer

[Guest guest]

Ken,

I noticed your mentioning choline as a possible toxin causing CFS? I took

large doses of liquid Choline for a few years before coming down with CFS.

I thougt it was safe and it did improve my short-term memory. Are you

saying Choline can cause CFS? Which issue of JCFS has this article. I can

only get the back issues on-line with the most recent article being last

quarter, 1999. Steve B. PS: Haven't taken any antibiotics, tested

negative so far for all major pathogens, and Berg thinks I may have

fibrinogen build-up from prior hypercoagulation but have had illness so long

that hypercoagulative state no longer present. He recommends heparing 4000

units 2x/day for a month then re-testing for pathogens.

Re: Question for the group

> Since you have been to many MD and I assume, have done their 'spins'..

>

> I want to check if you have done the following 2 spins:

> * long/intermediate term antibiotics? (Nicholson/Jadin/Berg-Brewer)

> * hypercoagulation testing (berg-hemex)?

>

> The reason for me is simple: the above appears to have ~80-90% hits

> when done.... and thus I view as a dividing criteria

> between 'typical CFIDS' and 'atypical CFIDS'.

>

> If you fall into 'atypical' (i.e. negative with the above, including

> several trials of different antibiotics for one month each)... then

> it may be time to look at what seem to be the case in some atypical

> CFIDS:

> * chemical poisoning - meaning large dosages of choline etc (see

> one the Journal of Chronic Fatigue articles for the details) and /or

> lots of Olestra based potato chips (and expect diarea)... - no

> prescription necessary/ all are 3-9 months with results seen only

> towards end.

>

> * carbon monoxide poisoning (including internal) - testable with

> high CO exhaled rates, lots of pure oxygen for a while

>

> * blood ph problem - can be tested, correction is driving your

> urine more alkaline (and thus blood more acid). Hale breathings

> exercise

>

> * problem with production of red blood cells (check >>>shape<<<

> and count.

>

> The best starting point is getting a VO2 Max done and see if you

> follow the dominant CFIDS trend of decreasing VO2 max with degree of

> severity.... if so, then you know there is an impairment in the

> ability of the body to use oxygen which seems to be a reliable

> indicator of CFIDS (and accounts for the symptoms), if not, then

> there may be another undiagnosised health issue and following the

> CFIDS treatment path may ignore it...

>

> again, just my opinion

>

>

>

>

> I have seen and been treated by some

> on the " Good Doc List " and my own practitioners with no benefit.

> > Tim

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Since you have been to many MD and I assume, have done their 'spins'..

I want to check if you have done the following 2 spins:

* long/intermediate term antibiotics? (Nicholson/Jadin/Berg-Brewer)

* hypercoagulation testing (berg-hemex)?

The reason for me is simple: the above appears to have ~80-90% hits

when done.... and thus I view as a dividing criteria

between 'typical CFIDS' and 'atypical CFIDS'.

If you fall into 'atypical' (i.e. negative with the above, including

several trials of different antibiotics for one month each)... then

it may be time to look at what seem to be the case in some atypical

CFIDS:

* chemical poisoning - meaning large dosages of choline etc (see

one the Journal of Chronic Fatigue articles for the details) and /or

lots of Olestra based potato chips (and expect diarea)... - no

prescription necessary/ all are 3-9 months with results seen only

towards end.

* carbon monoxide poisoning (including internal) - testable with

high CO exhaled rates, lots of pure oxygen for a while

* blood ph problem - can be tested, correction is driving your

urine more alkaline (and thus blood more acid). Hale breathings

exercise

* problem with production of red blood cells (check >>>shape<<<

and count.

The best starting point is getting a VO2 Max done and see if you

follow the dominant CFIDS trend of decreasing VO2 max with degree of

severity.... if so, then you know there is an impairment in the

ability of the body to use oxygen which seems to be a reliable

indicator of CFIDS (and accounts for the symptoms), if not, then

there may be another undiagnosised health issue and following the

CFIDS treatment path may ignore it...

again, just my opinion

I have seen and been treated by some

on the " Good Doc List " and my own practitioners with no benefit.

> Tim

[Guest guest]

Choline is not a cause, but a treatment for a misdiagnosised

poisoning as CFIDS.... It was in 2000 Volume 2.

" Four Cases of Pesticide Poisoning, Presenting as ME, treated with a

Choline and Ascorbic Acid Mixture. "

The treatment is very low risk and low cost (and no prescription)...

and thus attractive to attempt if there reason to suspect -- but $$$

is lacking for testing.

I agree with Berg analysis for long term CFIDS.... some form of DIC

(exhaustion of some coagulation component) is likely in a significant

number of long term cases -- the percentage is still unknown...

I trust you are hitting bromelain hard...

> Ken,

>

> I noticed your mentioning choline as a possible toxin causing CFS?

PS: Haven't taken any antibiotics, tested

> negative so far for all major pathogens, and Berg thinks I may have

> fibrinogen build-up from prior hypercoagulation but have had

illness so long

> that hypercoagulative state no longer present. He recommends

heparing 4000

> units 2x/day for a month then re-testing for pathogens.

[Guest guest]

<P> Hi Dawn

<P>There are my answers to your questions:

<P>1. I have had the illness for 13 years since the

age of 14. It was a gradual onset I think. I am from

India and I started becoming sick there.

<P>2. I started having ENADA NADH in the past 6

months. I was taking 10 mg in the morning. Ia m going

to increase to 20 mg in the morning. & nbsp;It helped me

with energy and cognitive abilities.. I take a

supergreens drink called Emerald greens. & nbsp; Now I

have started on wheatgrass juice. It is helping me a

bit with energy. I am also on B12 and Mg shots. It is

helping too.

<P>3. & nbsp;right now I am 50% functional. I am & nbsp;in

a & nbsp;CFS & nbsp;crash in the & nbsp;past 2 months. & nbsp;

<P>4. I am working a couple of hrs daily from home.

But it is a bit dificult.

<P>I am new to this group too and I am looking forward

to hearing from the other members.

<P>take care

<P>Gayathri

<P> & nbsp;

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[Guest guest]

Hi Gayathri,

Thank you for your response. I am sorry to hear you have had to

deal with this for so long. I do hope that you find the answers that

your are looking for as well. )

Dawn

> <P> Hi Dawn

> <P>There are my answers to your questions:

> <P>1. I have had the illness for 13 years since the

> age of 14. It was a gradual onset I think. I am from

> India and I started becoming sick there.

> <P>2. I started having ENADA NADH in the past 6

> months. I was taking 10 mg in the morning. Ia m going

> to increase to 20 mg in the morning. & nbsp;It helped me

> with energy and cognitive abilities.. I take a

> supergreens drink called Emerald greens. & nbsp; Now I

> have started on wheatgrass juice. It is helping me a

> bit with energy. I am also on B12 and Mg shots. It is

> helping too.

> <P>3. & nbsp;right now I am 50% functional. I am & nbsp;in

> a & nbsp;CFS & nbsp;crash in the & nbsp;past 2 months. & nbsp;

> <P>4. I am working a couple of hrs daily from home.

> But it is a bit dificult.

> <P>I am new to this group too and I am looking forward

> to hearing from the other members.

> <P>take care

> <P>Gayathri

[Guest guest]

Jerry, I was told 6 weeks,but then the nurse for the ep said use it after 4 just not to raise it or use it to lift or pull for 6 weeks. at first the drs said wear sling for 6 weeks, but ep said we tend to have sholders freeze up from not using it at all for that long.

Big hugs,

Debbie

>From: "Jerry"

>Reply- >

>Subject: Question for the group >Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:21:39 -0400 > >Hello All, >i was just wondering if anyone had dislodged the wires from the ICD from raising your arm or whatever, and would you know it if you did. I just passed 2 weeks since the install and 2 weeks is what the hospital told me to keep my elbow below my shoulder. Other things i have seen or read say 3-4 weeks to not raise your arm....What were you told? and how long did you watch the arm raising? I don't worry about anything other than messing the leads up.....As always Thanks in advance for your help. > >Jerry Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*

[Guest guest]

Hi Jerry, in December I had a dual chamber pacemaker implanted. They told me 3 to 4 weeks and to life nothing over 10 pounds. Hope that helps. Be well. Griff cacps2@...

Question for the group

Hello All,

i was just wondering if anyone had dislodged the wires from the ICD from raising your arm or whatever, and would you know it if you did. I just passed 2 weeks since the install and 2 weeks is what the hospital told me to keep my elbow below my shoulder. Other things i have seen or read say 3-4 weeks to not raise your arm....What were you told? and how long did you watch the arm raising? I don't worry about anything other than messing the leads up.....As always Thanks in advance for your help.

JerryPlease visit the Zapper homepage athttp://www.ZapLife.org

[Guest guest]

To All, After my first AICD was put in back in 1991 the leads in the side of my chest and from my stomach to my chest became tangled and shorted out. Icd fired 59 times in 4 hours before they were able to shut it down. It fried part of my heart so I have been told and left leads implanted in my heart which made it impossible for another icd to be installed for several years as I had to heal and build new veins. I had my third icd installed in July 1999. In September of 1999 lead wires again broke do to lift and carrying to much weight. Repairs were made al went well until November of 1999 during a case if severe bronchitis I somehow broke leads from severe coughing attack. Since then it has been OK.

I have been advised never to lift my arm over my head or to carry anything heavier than two gallons of milk. But I am also the odd ball that is not allowed to drive.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

I wore a sling for 5 days... No elbow above my shoulder for 30 days....

I shampooed my hair after two weeks but did not raise my arm above that

position for 30 days....

Yes, you can dislodge those wires from your heart..... You may

not know that you have done it... However, the longer you go before

raising your arm, the more time the leads have to heal into your heart

muscle....

Keep your arm down -- no reaching! :-) guin

debbie simmons wrote:

Jerry, I was told 6 weeks,but then the nurse

for the ep said use it after 4 just not to raise it or use it to lift or

pull for 6 weeks. at first the drs said wear sling for 6 weeks, but

ep said we tend to have sholders freeze up from not using it at all for

that long.

Big hugs,

Debbie

>From: "Jerry"

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Question for the group

>Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:21:39 -0400

>

>Hello All,

>i was just wondering if anyone had dislodged the wires from the ICD

from raising your arm or whatever, and would you know it if you did. I

just passed 2 weeks since the install and 2 weeks is what the hospital

told me to keep my elbow below my shoulder. Other things i have seen or

read say 3-4 weeks to not raise your arm....What were you told? and how

long did you watch the arm raising? I don't worry about anything other

than messing the leads up.....As always Thanks in advance for your help.

>

>Jerry

Help STOP SPAM with the new

MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*

Please visit the Zapper homepage at

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[Guest guest]

I had my first ICD back in may

of 1996, No one said anything about restricting my arm movements.

So I just went about my

normal activity. I have never had any pain or discomfort as a result of

the implant.

The second time around,

as they wheeled me on to the assembly line, I asked how many OR's were

in use.

(for ICD's) They said 30

or so. The way I figure it if they were doing that many all day long by

now they

must have had one hell of

a lot of practice ( & experience), and in one way it was rather comforting.

The only minor problem I

have is when I use a seat belt. It crosses over the wires just below the

collar

bone. I have no intention

of driving around looking over the top of a pillow! ( I DO have air bags)

TURK: Does that mean we

don't take SHOWERS any more?.......... (GRIN)

Jerry wrote:

Hello

All,i was just wondering

if anyone had dislodged the wires from the ICD from raising your arm or

whatever, and would you know it if you did. I just passed 2 weeks since

the install and 2 weeks is what the hospital told me to keep my elbow below

my shoulder. Other things i have seen or read say 3-4 weeks to not raise

your arm....What were you told? and how long did you watch the arm raising?

I don't worry about anything other than messing the leads up.....As always

Thanks in advance for your help. Jerry

Please visit the Zapper homepage at

http://www.ZapLife.org

[Guest guest]

I was told 6 weeks of no streching. I never told not to do things

like wash my hair, where the arm is above the sholder but not

stretched.

Bridget

> Hello All,

> i was just wondering if anyone had dislodged the wires from the ICD

from raising your arm or whatever, and would you know it if you did.

I just passed 2 weeks since the install and 2 weeks is what the

hospital told me to keep my elbow below my shoulder. Other things i

have seen or read say 3-4 weeks to not raise your arm....What were

you told? and how long did you watch the arm raising? I don't worry

about anything other than messing the leads up.....As always Thanks

in advance for your help.

>

> Jerry

[Guest guest]

No Hank;

I meant take a bath to wash your hair so you don't have to raise your arm then get up take a shower and wash your body so still you don't have to raise your arm as much. Thats what i did in the beginning(Bigger Grin) TURK

Re: Question for the group

I had my first ICD back in may of 1996, No one said anything about restricting my arm movements. So I just went about my normal activity. I have never had any pain or discomfort as a result of the implant. The second time around, as they wheeled me on to the assembly line, I asked how many OR's were in use. (for ICD's) They said 30 or so. The way I figure it if they were doing that many all day long by now they must have had one hell of a lot of practice ( & experience), and in one way it was rather comforting. The only minor problem I have is when I use a seat belt. It crosses over the wires just below the collar bone. I have no intention of driving around looking over the top of a pillow! ( I DO have air bags) TURK: Does that mean we don't take SHOWERS any more?.......... (GRIN) Jerry wrote:

Hello All,i was just wondering if anyone had dislodged the wires from the ICD from raising your arm or whatever, and would you know it if you did. I just passed 2 weeks since the install and 2 weeks is what the hospital told me to keep my elbow below my shoulder. Other things i have seen or read say 3-4 weeks to not raise your arm....What were you told? and how long did you watch the arm raising? I don't worry about anything other than messing the leads up.....As always Thanks in advance for your help. Jerry Please visit the Zapper homepage at http://www.ZapLife.org

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " Bridget "

> I never told not to do

> things like wash my hair . . .

Bridget:

Hair? What's hair? Isn't that those nasty little guys that go down the

drain laughing at me as they do?

Best.

Bill

[Guest guest]

I also cannot take supplements on an empty stomach. I take one kind that

contains digestive enzymes and it can be pretty wicked on the stomach, so I

don't take anything until after I have eaten that first morning meal (an

hour after my workout).

Joy

_____

From: karenmoore22@... [mailto:karenmoore22@...]

Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 6:54 PM

BFLWClub2

Subject: Question for the group

Good Evening Ladies,

I have a quick question. I normally work out first thing in the morning on

and empty stomach. Some days I have trouble as I find myself becoming

nauseated after taking my morning supplements. I have found that if I do a

meal replacement shake I don't have this problem. I want to reap all of the

benefits of working out first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

Can anyone offer any advice to combat the nausea or is there a pre-work

drink or meal that is better for me. My over all goal is to loose body fat

and gain muscle.

Thanks for your input.

[Guest guest]

I also cannot take supplements on an empty stomach. I take one kind that

contains digestive enzymes and it can be pretty wicked on the stomach, so I

don't take anything until after I have eaten that first morning meal (an

hour after my workout).

Joy

_____

From: karenmoore22@... [mailto:karenmoore22@...]

Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 6:54 PM

BFLWClub2

Subject: Question for the group

Good Evening Ladies,

I have a quick question. I normally work out first thing in the morning on

and empty stomach. Some days I have trouble as I find myself becoming

nauseated after taking my morning supplements. I have found that if I do a

meal replacement shake I don't have this problem. I want to reap all of the

benefits of working out first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

Can anyone offer any advice to combat the nausea or is there a pre-work

drink or meal that is better for me. My over all goal is to loose body fat

and gain muscle.

Thanks for your input.

[Guest guest]

By 'supplements' do you mean vitamins? You should be holding off on

taking many vitamins till after you have eaten because some are fat

soluable meaning they must be taken with foods to be absorbed (hence

the 'green feeling' they will give you on an empty stomach. I always

have all my daily vitamins and minerals after I have eaten, usually

by midmorning meal, or for awhile I took them at night before

bedtime after my last meal (good way to remember to take them).

The not eating before working out really only pertains to cardio,

not to weight lifting. For cardio (which is aerobic, 'with oxygen')

its felt that when the muscles are depleted or low in glycogen (fuel

in the muscles) the next source of energy is bodyfat, so its

supposed to be optimal to be done on an empty stomach to get as much

of your metabolism 'burning' during and for about an hour after

cardio.

Now weight training (which is anaerobic, 'without oxygen')is

different in that you want your muscles to be loaded with fuel

(glycogen) so eating about an hour or so before (something light -

I'll have some cottage cheese and toast for example) is considered

best - you will notice more energy from eating before weight

training. And then having something right after(like many will have

a protein shake, which is easily absorbed/digested)helps in muscle

recovery (I add in some glutamine into it too). This is one reason

many people alternate cardio/weights so their eating plan can be

adjusted.

<<joni>>

*Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long*

[Guest guest]

Joni,

Wow! Thanks so much! I have a much better understanding now. This is great now I

can do a better job at planning.

Peace and Blessings to all,

Re: Question for the group

By 'supplements' do you mean vitamins? You should be holding off on

taking many vitamins till after you have eaten because some are fat

soluable meaning they must be taken with foods to be absorbed (hence

the 'green feeling' they will give you on an empty stomach. I always

have all my daily vitamins and minerals after I have eaten, usually

by midmorning meal, or for awhile I took them at night before

bedtime after my last meal (good way to remember to take them).

The not eating before working out really only pertains to cardio,

not to weight lifting. For cardio (which is aerobic, 'with oxygen')

its felt that when the muscles are depleted or low in glycogen (fuel

in the muscles) the next source of energy is bodyfat, so its

supposed to be optimal to be done on an empty stomach to get as much

of your metabolism 'burning' during and for about an hour after

cardio.

Now weight training (which is anaerobic, 'without oxygen')is

different in that you want your muscles to be loaded with fuel

(glycogen) so eating about an hour or so before (something light -

I'll have some cottage cheese and toast for example) is considered

best - you will notice more energy from eating before weight

training. And then having something right after(like many will have

a protein shake, which is easily absorbed/digested)helps in muscle

recovery (I add in some glutamine into it too). This is one reason

many people alternate cardio/weights so their eating plan can be

adjusted.

<<joni>>

*Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long*

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It sounds like obsessive compulsive behavior; I hate meds but have you thought about a med for that? The antianxiety agents are useful to treat obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. Karac gets obsessive verbally sometimes and he takes .25 Xanax. Pat K

[Guest guest]

Yep! I understand that! Ours comes in stages or phases, especially the writing, she doesn't speak much. You can try introduce 2or 3 new things and encourage the writing. You probably need to ignore the speak that bothers you. Good luck! Candis Autism Research Survey online at: http://www.inclusioncommunitytrainingcenter.org Candis Firchau,MA,TLPC Director Inclusion Community Training Center Advocacy, Behavioral Interventions, Counseling and Training 979.826.8568 This email is intended exclusively for the person to whom it was addressed. This email is confidential. If you have received this email by error, please disregard it.

[Guest guest]

Hello: We. too, have a 10 year old son who is nonverbal and

who is moderately to severly autistic. About two months ago we

had an onset of obsessive compulsive behavior similar to what

you are mentioning, but talking with his Dynavox communication

device..wanting to see this certain person, or go to this certain

place, etc. Now we are fascinated with logos such as

Mc's, Walmart, Target, etc. If we don't point it out to him

he verbalizes and keeps verbalizing noises until we

acknowledge it. We've also seen him start to line up his toes on

the cracks/lines in the house on the floor between rooms, in the

driveway, at school on the lines in the floor, etc. I asked his

Occupational therapist about it and she said sometimes you see

an onset of it when they are entering puberty. He's only 10!!! She

recommended a psychiatrist here who has seen autistic kids.

We went last week and he started my son on a very very (.25)

small dose of Risperdal. We are waiting to see if it helps. He

was starting to get aggressive with us (head butting, etc) when

he didn't get his way such as if we didn't point out the logos in

the car, or if we didn't step back and watch him step over the

lines. Before Nov. we had NO problems with any type of this

behavior. It just came on. So....to make a long story short, I

sympathise with you and am, myself, trying to figure out what to

do!! We have an appt. in two weeks for follow up with the

psychiatrist (we had to have the appt in the van because my son

refused to go up to the office!!).

Jodi

>

> I have an 11 year old son who is moderately to severely

autistic. What I am

> dealing with right now is an obsessive compulsive behavior

which is making

> me crazy, and I wonder if anyone has dealt with this, or may

have any

> suggestions. JT says names of people over and over all day

long. Usually its the

> same person, all he wants to do is see this person, who he

does see at least

> once a week, but it never ends, he just says these names all

day long and

> nothing I do makes him stop. He also, repeats his schedule

everyday all day, and

> wants us all to repeat it, and wants to write these things as

well. I am

> about ready to pull my hair out.

>

> Any thoughts would-be appreciated.

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

Puberty starts around that age for most kids. You may not see all the physical effects of puberty at 10 but the hormones are changing at that time nonetheless.

Karin

Re: question for the group

Hello: We. too, have a 10 year old son who is nonverbal and who is moderately to severly autistic. About two months ago we had an onset of obsessive compulsive behavior similar to what you are mentioning, but talking with his Dynavox communication device..wanting to see this certain person, or go to this certain place, etc. Now we are fascinated with logos such as Mc's, Walmart, Target, etc. If we don't point it out to him he verbalizes and keeps verbalizing noises until we acknowledge it. We've also seen him start to line up his toes on the cracks/lines in the house on the floor between rooms, in the driveway, at school on the lines in the floor, etc. I asked his Occupational therapist about it and she said sometimes you see an onset of it when they are entering puberty. He's only 10!!! She recommended a psychiatrist here who has seen autistic kids. We went last week and he started my son on a very very (.25) small dose of Risperdal. We are waiting to see if it helps. He was starting to get aggressive with us (head butting, etc) when he didn't get his way such as if we didn't point out the logos in the car, or if we didn't step back and watch him step over the lines. Before Nov. we had NO problems with any type of this behavior. It just came on. So....to make a long story short, I sympathise with you and am, myself, trying to figure out what to do!! We have an appt. in two weeks for follow up with the psychiatrist (we had to have the appt in the van because my son refused to go up to the office!!). Jodi>> I have an 11 year old son who is moderately to severely autistic. What I am > dealing with right now is an obsessive compulsive behavior which is making > me crazy, and I wonder if anyone has dealt with this, or may have any > suggestions. JT says names of people over and over all day long. Usually its the > same person, all he wants to do is see this person, who he does see at least > once a week, but it never ends, he just says these names all day long and > nothing I do makes him stop. He also, repeats his schedule everyday all day, and > wants us all to repeat it, and wants to write these things as well. I am > about ready to pull my hair out.> > Any thoughts would-be appreciated.> > Thanks>