Guest guest Posted October 2, 2000 Report Share Posted October 2, 2000 & : I don't think betaine hcl after meals is going to have a big impact on your blood ph. The test they typically do to see if you need betaine hcl (can't remember name) is the one where they have you swallow this small device with a string attached. It sits in your stomach and monitors your stomach acidity levels after drinking I can't remember what. Steve B. Re: Betaine HCL > > I got tested to see if I needed Betaine HCL some time ago and found out > that > > I need it. I haven't tried it until recently and I am having some strange > > side effects that I can't figure out. I can take many of them by the way > > without having any heart burn at all so I know I still them but every time > I > > take them my hair and eyes gets extremely dry. I mean really dry and > > brittle, it's terrible. Does this happen to anyone? I hear Betaine helps > > break down Iron and Calcium, maybe its doing something there and pouring > to > > much iron in my blood or something? This is far fetching thought I know. > I > > wish I could figure this one out because I really need to take the stuff > but > > these side effects are for the birds. > > , > > Sorry I don't know what is happening, but I was wondering what test you took > to find out if you needed Betaine HCl? I had the Great Smokies stool > analysis, and it said I was alkaline, and I am responding the oxygen > rebreather and have acidic urine, so I assume that my blood is alkaline, > also. > > But when I take the Betaine HCl, I get a warm feeling in my stomach, which > means I don't need it, right? I have been unsure what to do about my pH. > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2000 Report Share Posted October 2, 2000 > I got tested to see if I needed Betaine HCL some time ago and found out that > I need it. I haven't tried it until recently and I am having some strange > side effects that I can't figure out. I can take many of them by the way > without having any heart burn at all so I know I still them but every time I > take them my hair and eyes gets extremely dry. I mean really dry and > brittle, it's terrible. Does this happen to anyone? I hear Betaine helps > break down Iron and Calcium, maybe its doing something there and pouring to > much iron in my blood or something? This is far fetching thought I know. I > wish I could figure this one out because I really need to take the stuff but > these side effects are for the birds. , Sorry I don't know what is happening, but I was wondering what test you took to find out if you needed Betaine HCl? I had the Great Smokies stool analysis, and it said I was alkaline, and I am responding the oxygen rebreather and have acidic urine, so I assume that my blood is alkaline, also. But when I take the Betaine HCl, I get a warm feeling in my stomach, which means I don't need it, right? I have been unsure what to do about my pH. _________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2000 Report Share Posted October 3, 2000 It's called the Heidelberg test. Rich > & : > > I don't think betaine hcl after meals is going to have a big impact on your > blood ph. The test they typically do to see if you need betaine hcl (can't > remember name) is the one where they have you swallow this small device with > a string attached. It sits in your stomach and monitors your stomach > acidity levels after drinking I can't remember what. Steve B. > Re: Betaine HCL > > > > > I got tested to see if I needed Betaine HCL some time ago and found out > > that > > > I need it. I haven't tried it until recently and I am having some > strange > > > side effects that I can't figure out. I can take many of them by the > way > > > without having any heart burn at all so I know I still them but every > time > > I > > > take them my hair and eyes gets extremely dry. I mean really dry and > > > brittle, it's terrible. Does this happen to anyone? I hear Betaine > helps > > > break down Iron and Calcium, maybe its doing something there and pouring > > to > > > much iron in my blood or something? This is far fetching thought I > know. > > I > > > wish I could figure this one out because I really need to take the stuff > > but > > > these side effects are for the birds. > > > > , > > > > Sorry I don't know what is happening, but I was wondering what test you > took > > to find out if you needed Betaine HCl? I had the Great Smokies stool > > analysis, and it said I was alkaline, and I am responding the oxygen > > rebreather and have acidic urine, so I assume that my blood is alkaline, > > also. > > > > But when I take the Betaine HCl, I get a warm feeling in my stomach, which > > means I don't need it, right? I have been unsure what to do about my pH. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2000 Report Share Posted October 18, 2000 Dear Deb, Betaine HCl is available in any health food store. Glutamic acid HCl also. There is good protein in legumes (beans, lentils, etc.) Amino acids form the building blocks of proteins, so you could try the sources of them, such as aloe vera, algae, amaranth, bee pollen, chlorella, quinoa. Do a liver cleanse, followed by a colon cleanse. Do Homozon every day. Drink black tea with lemon juice in it. Take flax oil and MSM every day. Mannatech is not a good product any more. According to their literature, you get only 6% aloe vera and 94% rice powder in Ambrotose. Aloe Essence is a better product, with 100% pure aloe powder. Gymnema sylvestre comes in a gel cap. It will get your pancreas producing proper amounts of insulin again, and keep down the 'surges' of blood sugar. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created them " . - Einstein Hydergine > > > Saul Pressman wrote: > > > > Dear Deb, > > > > Meat requires lots of protease (trypsin) from the pancreas, so being a > > heavy meat eater means wearing out the pancreas, which has another job, > > making insulin. > > That is why meat eaters are more prone to diabetes. > > > > Not to worry : Gymnema sylvestre will regenerate the pancreas. > > > > A plant source of HCl is betaine hydrochloride, made from beet roots. > > > Thank you Saul. Where do I find beet root HCL? I am not eating > much meat now. I have this last week and I can tell the bod odor > gets worse. Methylating merc? I get better on veg only but I feel > better for a time on meat. I need to find the best alt source of > protein for me. I cannot do soy, beans, dairy, nuts are not good > big time, I am only supposed to eat the same thing no sooner than > every four days(yea right:)), yada yada yada. Mannatech or? > Seacure? or Immupro?(sp). I read some get reactions to these > things. I get those amino reactions, like a bad trip:O. I'm having > those hypo hot flashes this week to pay for last weeks mistakes. I > didn't even have a piece of cake(read-high dollar cake) or glass > of alcoholic beverage at my daughter's wedding last week and still > I pay. Could be one bad pity party if I let it . NOT. How do I > do the gynnema sylvestre? I had a " spell " last night- my adrenal > power surge things I get when my BS goes wacky?? Deb > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2000 Report Share Posted October 19, 2000 Dear Deb, You are thinking of pancreatin, which has a pork source. Betaine HCl is from beets. The adrenals are probably kicking in because they sit on top of the kidneys, and the kidneys are unhappy because they are not getting their Omega - 3 fats and they are pumping out renin as a red flag response. The adrenals answer with adrenaline. You wake up. You reach for your flax oil. You take a swig. The kidneys relax in relief. The adrenals go off line. You go to sleep. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created them " . - Einstein Betaine HCl > > > Saul Pressman wrote: > > > > Dear Deb, > > > > Betaine HCl is available in any health food store. Glutamic acid HCl also. > > I thought most HCL is from pork source(or is that just enzymes) > and I wondered what brand you know is beet source?? > > > Gymnema sylvestre comes in a gel cap. It will get your pancreas producing > > proper amounts of insulin again, and keep down the 'surges' of blood sugar. > > Those adrenals kick in and don't turn off. Used to wake me up out > of a sleep. Deb > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2000 Report Share Posted October 19, 2000 In a message dated 10/19/00 3:48:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, saul@... writes: << You are thinking of pancreatin, which has a pork source. >> there is also bovine pancreatin. also, i have heard that people tolerate the bovine source much better than the porcine. i am one of those people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2000 Report Share Posted October 19, 2000 twinlab is bovine. and there is a brand called eco true which also is bovine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2000 Report Share Posted October 20, 2000 Dear Luck, Thanks for the info. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created them " . - Einstein Re: Betaine HCl > twinlab is bovine. and there is a brand called eco true which also is bovine > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Hi, a. The chemical formula of betaine hydrochloride is ((CH3)3NCH2COOH)+Cl- It is prepared by reacting betaine (aka trimethylglycine), which is a byproduct of extracting sucrose from sugarcane, with concentrated hydrochloric acid. When it is dissolved in water in the stomach, the chloride ion and the hydrogen ion dissociate from the molecule, producing hydrochloric acid. So long as it is dry, the HCl remains bound to the molecule. When it ionizes in water, it produces hydrochloric acid, which is the same as stomach acid. The pH of the acid produced is not as low (acidic) as that of the original acid used to form betaine HCl but it is strong enough to contribute to the digestion in the stomach. Best regards, Rich > > I have a question for Rich Van K. >  > I've been taking Twin Labs Betaine HCl for hypochloridia. However, when I checked the ingredients, they were listed as betaine and hydrochloride. Hydrochloride is a salt commonly added to medications to increase absorption. This means Betaine HCl is not an acid, and certainly isn't hydrochloric acid (which would eat its way right through the capsule). Although the addition of HCl would certainly increase the absorption rate of the betaine, I don't see how it could possibly increase stomach acid. Yet, there are so many claims that this supplement increases hydrochloric acid in the stomach. Are these claims all false? If not, how does betaine HCl actually work? >  > a in Massachusetts > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Thanks, Rich! You've cleared that up for me. ________________________________ From: rvankonynen <richvank@...> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:28 AM Subject: Re: Betaine HCl Hi, a. The chemical formula of betaine hydrochloride is ((CH3)3NCH2COOH)+Cl- It is prepared by reacting betaine (aka trimethylglycine), which is a byproduct of extracting sucrose from sugarcane, with concentrated hydrochloric acid. When it is dissolved in water in the stomach, the chloride ion and the hydrogen ion dissociate from the molecule, producing hydrochloric acid. So long as it is dry, the HCl remains bound to the molecule. When it ionizes in water, it produces hydrochloric acid, which is the same as stomach acid. The pH of the acid produced is not as low (acidic) as that of the original acid used to form betaine HCl but it is strong enough to contribute to the digestion in the stomach. Best regards, Rich > > I have a question for Rich Van K. >  > I've been taking Twin Labs Betaine HCl for hypochloridia. However, when I checked the ingredients, they were listed as betaine and hydrochloride. Hydrochloride is a salt commonly added to medications to increase absorption. This means Betaine HCl is not an acid, and certainly isn't hydrochloric acid (which would eat its way right through the capsule). Although the addition of HCl would certainly increase the absorption rate of the betaine, I don't see how it could possibly increase stomach acid. Yet, there are so many claims that this supplement increases hydrochloric acid in the stomach. Are these claims all false? If not, how does betaine HCl actually work? >  > a in Massachusetts > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 Question on the use of Betaine HCL. I started seeing a naturopath to assist me with some of my autoimmue issues and he suggested I take Betaine HCL at every meal to help assist with digestion since I take in so much water at each meal to wash my food down. I have a HM with a dor and I do not have a heartburn problem nor do I want one! My MCV is abnormal and it looks like now I am borderline for pernicious anemia, but he thought that the water I take in with my meals may not be allowing the digestive system to work properly in breaking down the food to get nutrients (specifically B12 in this case). If I can take HCL to avoid taking B12 injections I will, but I don't want to mess around with heartburn either. Any thoughts on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 Sounds like he's *very* good. . . . Pernicious anemia is *nothing* to mess with. I have a cousin with a colostomy over the issue. Heartburn vs a colostomy bag? No contest. Jarrow makes one of the best sublingual B12s out there, but keep getting tested, and shots are better than the alternative. No sure, but perhaps digestive enzymes wouldn't hurt either, I'm taking them and have had NO issues with reflux. (But truth is, I may not have had any without, either.) Saw my doc Friday, and she's testing for B12, too. The beginnings of peripheral neuropathy. And thinking about the shots. Don't have the results back yet. That said, I don't know personally if Betaine HCL would work. If I were going to try it, might find the formulations with pepsin a good choice. I know for a fact that this disease has messed up a bunch of " unrelated " looking systems. . . .. The good news is that my potassium, after months of daily heavy dosages is *finally* back up into the normal range, and my balance is getting much better. Bon courage! > > Question on the use of Betaine HCL. I started seeing a naturopath to assist me with some of my autoimmue issues and he suggested I take Betaine HCL at every meal to help assist with digestion since I take in so much water at each meal to wash my food down. I have a HM with a dor and I do not have a heartburn problem nor do I want one! My MCV is abnormal and it looks like now I am borderline for pernicious anemia, but he thought that the water I take in with my meals may not be allowing the digestive system to work properly in breaking down the food to get nutrients (specifically B12 in this case). If I can take HCL to avoid taking B12 injections I will, but I don't want to mess around with heartburn either. Any thoughts on this? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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