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I don't think betaine hcl after meals is going to have a big impact on your

blood ph. The test they typically do to see if you need betaine hcl (can't

remember name) is the one where they have you swallow this small device with

a string attached. It sits in your stomach and monitors your stomach

acidity levels after drinking I can't remember what. Steve B.

Re: Betaine HCL

> > I got tested to see if I needed Betaine HCL some time ago and found out

> that

> > I need it. I haven't tried it until recently and I am having some

strange

> > side effects that I can't figure out. I can take many of them by the

way

> > without having any heart burn at all so I know I still them but every

time

> I

> > take them my hair and eyes gets extremely dry. I mean really dry and

> > brittle, it's terrible. Does this happen to anyone? I hear Betaine

helps

> > break down Iron and Calcium, maybe its doing something there and pouring

> to

> > much iron in my blood or something? This is far fetching thought I

know.

> I

> > wish I could figure this one out because I really need to take the stuff

> but

> > these side effects are for the birds.

>

> ,

>

> Sorry I don't know what is happening, but I was wondering what test you

took

> to find out if you needed Betaine HCl? I had the Great Smokies stool

> analysis, and it said I was alkaline, and I am responding the oxygen

> rebreather and have acidic urine, so I assume that my blood is alkaline,

> also.

>

> But when I take the Betaine HCl, I get a warm feeling in my stomach, which

> means I don't need it, right? I have been unsure what to do about my pH.

>

>

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> I got tested to see if I needed Betaine HCL some time ago and found out

that

> I need it. I haven't tried it until recently and I am having some strange

> side effects that I can't figure out. I can take many of them by the way

> without having any heart burn at all so I know I still them but every time

I

> take them my hair and eyes gets extremely dry. I mean really dry and

> brittle, it's terrible. Does this happen to anyone? I hear Betaine helps

> break down Iron and Calcium, maybe its doing something there and pouring

to

> much iron in my blood or something? This is far fetching thought I know.

I

> wish I could figure this one out because I really need to take the stuff

but

> these side effects are for the birds.

,

Sorry I don't know what is happening, but I was wondering what test you took

to find out if you needed Betaine HCl? I had the Great Smokies stool

analysis, and it said I was alkaline, and I am responding the oxygen

rebreather and have acidic urine, so I assume that my blood is alkaline,

also.

But when I take the Betaine HCl, I get a warm feeling in my stomach, which

means I don't need it, right? I have been unsure what to do about my pH.

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It's called the Heidelberg test.

Rich

> & :

>

> I don't think betaine hcl after meals is going to have a big impact

on your

> blood ph. The test they typically do to see if you need betaine

hcl

(can't

> remember name) is the one where they have you swallow this small

device with

> a string attached. It sits in your stomach and monitors your

stomach

> acidity levels after drinking I can't remember what. Steve B.

> Re: Betaine HCL

>

>

> > > I got tested to see if I needed Betaine HCL some time ago and

found out

> > that

> > > I need it. I haven't tried it until recently and I am having

some

> strange

> > > side effects that I can't figure out. I can take many of them

by the

> way

> > > without having any heart burn at all so I know I still them but

every

> time

> > I

> > > take them my hair and eyes gets extremely dry. I mean really

dry and

> > > brittle, it's terrible. Does this happen to anyone? I hear

Betaine

> helps

> > > break down Iron and Calcium, maybe its doing something there

and

pouring

> > to

> > > much iron in my blood or something? This is far fetching

thought I

> know.

> > I

> > > wish I could figure this one out because I really need to take

the stuff

> > but

> > > these side effects are for the birds.

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Sorry I don't know what is happening, but I was wondering what

test you

> took

> > to find out if you needed Betaine HCl? I had the Great Smokies

stool

> > analysis, and it said I was alkaline, and I am responding the

oxygen

> > rebreather and have acidic urine, so I assume that my blood is

alkaline,

> > also.

> >

> > But when I take the Betaine HCl, I get a warm feeling in my

stomach, which

> > means I don't need it, right? I have been unsure what to do

about

my pH.

> >

> >

> >

> > _________________________________________________________

> >

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Dear Deb,

Betaine HCl is available in any health food store. Glutamic acid HCl also.

There is good protein in legumes (beans, lentils, etc.)

Amino acids form the building blocks of proteins, so you could try the

sources of them,

such as aloe vera, algae, amaranth, bee pollen, chlorella, quinoa.

Do a liver cleanse, followed by a colon cleanse. Do Homozon every day.

Drink black tea with lemon juice in it. Take flax oil and MSM every day.

Mannatech is not a good product any more. According to their literature,

you get only 6% aloe vera and 94% rice powder in Ambrotose.

Aloe Essence is a better product, with 100% pure aloe powder.

Gymnema sylvestre comes in a gel cap. It will get your pancreas producing

proper amounts of insulin again, and keep down the 'surges' of blood sugar.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

email: saul@...

" The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created

them " . - Einstein

Hydergine

>

>

> Saul Pressman wrote:

> >

> > Dear Deb,

> >

> > Meat requires lots of protease (trypsin) from the pancreas, so being a

> > heavy meat eater means wearing out the pancreas, which has another job,

> > making insulin.

> > That is why meat eaters are more prone to diabetes.

> >

> > Not to worry : Gymnema sylvestre will regenerate the pancreas.

> >

> > A plant source of HCl is betaine hydrochloride, made from beet roots.

> >

> Thank you Saul. Where do I find beet root HCL? I am not eating

> much meat now. I have this last week and I can tell the bod odor

> gets worse. Methylating merc? I get better on veg only but I feel

> better for a time on meat. I need to find the best alt source of

> protein for me. I cannot do soy, beans, dairy, nuts are not good

> big time, I am only supposed to eat the same thing no sooner than

> every four days(yea right:)), yada yada yada. Mannatech or?

> Seacure? or Immupro?(sp). I read some get reactions to these

> things. I get those amino reactions, like a bad trip:O. I'm having

> those hypo hot flashes this week to pay for last weeks mistakes. I

> didn't even have a piece of cake(read-high dollar cake) or glass

> of alcoholic beverage at my daughter's wedding last week and still

> I pay. Could be one bad pity party if I let it :). NOT. How do I

> do the gynnema sylvestre? I had a " spell " last night- my adrenal

> power surge things I get when my BS goes wacky?? Deb

>

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Dear Deb,

You are thinking of pancreatin, which has a pork source. Betaine HCl is from

beets.

The adrenals are probably kicking in because they sit on top of the kidneys,

and the kidneys are unhappy because they are not getting their Omega - 3

fats and they are pumping out renin as a red flag response. The adrenals

answer with adrenaline.

You wake up. You reach for your flax oil. You take a swig. The kidneys relax

in relief. The adrenals go off line. You go to sleep.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

email: saul@...

" The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created

them " . - Einstein

Betaine HCl

>

>

> Saul Pressman wrote:

> >

> > Dear Deb,

> >

> > Betaine HCl is available in any health food store. Glutamic acid HCl

also.

>

> I thought most HCL is from pork source(or is that just enzymes)

> and I wondered what brand you know is beet source??:)

>

> > Gymnema sylvestre comes in a gel cap. It will get your pancreas

producing

> > proper amounts of insulin again, and keep down the 'surges' of blood

sugar.

>

> Those adrenals kick in and don't turn off. Used to wake me up out

> of a sleep. Deb

>

>

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other alternative self-help subjects.

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In a message dated 10/19/00 3:48:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

saul@... writes:

<< You are thinking of pancreatin, which has a pork source. >>

there is also bovine pancreatin. also, i have heard that people tolerate the

bovine source much better than the porcine. i am one of those people.

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Dear Luck,

Thanks for the info.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

email: saul@...

" The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created

them " . - Einstein

Re: Betaine HCl

> twinlab is bovine. and there is a brand called eco true which also is

bovine

>

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other alternative self-help subjects.

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Hi, a.

The chemical formula of betaine hydrochloride is

((CH3)3NCH2COOH)+Cl-

It is prepared by reacting betaine (aka trimethylglycine), which is a byproduct

of extracting sucrose from sugarcane, with concentrated hydrochloric acid.

When it is dissolved in water in the stomach, the chloride ion and the hydrogen

ion dissociate from the molecule, producing hydrochloric acid. So long as it is

dry, the HCl remains bound to the molecule. When it ionizes in water, it

produces hydrochloric acid, which is the same as stomach acid. The pH of the

acid produced is not as low (acidic) as that of the original acid used to form

betaine HCl but it is strong enough to contribute to the digestion in the

stomach.

Best regards,

Rich

>

> I have a question for Rich Van K.

>  

> I've been taking Twin Labs Betaine HCl for hypochloridia. However, when I

checked the ingredients, they were listed as betaine and hydrochloride.

Hydrochloride is a salt commonly added to medications to increase

absorption. This means Betaine HCl is not an acid, and certainly isn't

hydrochloric acid (which would eat its way right through the capsule). Although

the addition of HCl would certainly increase the absorption rate of the betaine,

I don't see how it could possibly increase stomach acid.  Yet, there are so many

claims that this supplement increases hydrochloric acid in the stomach. Are

these claims all false? If not, how does betaine HCl actually work?

>  

> a in Massachusetts

>

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Thanks, Rich! You've cleared that up for me.

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From: rvankonynen <richvank@...>

Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:28 AM

Subject: Re: Betaine HCl

Hi, a.

The chemical formula of betaine hydrochloride is

((CH3)3NCH2COOH)+Cl-

It is prepared by reacting betaine (aka trimethylglycine), which is a byproduct

of extracting sucrose from sugarcane, with concentrated hydrochloric acid.

When it is dissolved in water in the stomach, the chloride ion and the hydrogen

ion dissociate from the molecule, producing hydrochloric acid.  So long as it is

dry, the HCl remains bound to the molecule. When it ionizes in water, it

produces hydrochloric acid, which is the same as stomach acid. The pH of the

acid produced is not as low (acidic) as that of the original acid used to form

betaine HCl but it is strong enough to contribute to the digestion in the

stomach.

Best regards,

Rich

>

> I have a question for Rich Van K.

>  

> I've been taking Twin Labs Betaine HCl for hypochloridia. However, when I

checked the ingredients, they were listed as betaine and hydrochloride.

Hydrochloride is a salt commonly added to medications to increase

absorption. This means Betaine HCl is not an acid, and certainly isn't

hydrochloric acid (which would eat its way right through the capsule). Although

the addition of HCl would certainly increase the absorption rate of the betaine,

I don't see how it could possibly increase stomach acid.  Yet, there are so many

claims that this supplement increases hydrochloric acid in the stomach. Are

these claims all false? If not, how does betaine HCl actually work?

>  

> a in Massachusetts

>

>

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Question on the use of Betaine HCL. I started seeing a naturopath to assist me

with some of my autoimmue issues and he suggested I take Betaine HCL at every

meal to help assist with digestion since I take in so much water at each meal to

wash my food down. I have a HM with a dor and I do not have a heartburn

problem nor do I want one! My MCV is abnormal and it looks like now I am

borderline for pernicious anemia, but he thought that the water I take in with

my meals may not be allowing the digestive system to work properly in breaking

down the food to get nutrients (specifically B12 in this case). If I can take

HCL to avoid taking B12 injections I will, but I don't want to mess around with

heartburn either. Any thoughts on this?

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Sounds like he's *very* good. . . . Pernicious anemia is *nothing* to mess

with. I have a cousin with a colostomy over the issue. Heartburn vs a colostomy

bag? No contest. Jarrow makes one of the best sublingual B12s out there, but

keep getting tested, and shots are better than the alternative. No sure, but

perhaps digestive enzymes wouldn't hurt either, I'm taking them and have had NO

issues with reflux. (But truth is, I may not have had any without, either.) Saw

my doc Friday, and she's testing for B12, too. The beginnings of peripheral

neuropathy. And thinking about the shots. Don't have the results back yet.

That said, I don't know personally if Betaine HCL would work. If I were going

to try it, might find the formulations with pepsin a good choice. I know for a

fact that this disease has messed up a bunch of " unrelated " looking systems. . .

.. The good news is that my potassium, after months of daily heavy dosages is

*finally* back up into the normal range, and my balance is getting much better.

Bon courage!

>

> Question on the use of Betaine HCL. I started seeing a naturopath to assist

me with some of my autoimmue issues and he suggested I take Betaine HCL at every

meal to help assist with digestion since I take in so much water at each meal to

wash my food down. I have a HM with a dor and I do not have a heartburn

problem nor do I want one! My MCV is abnormal and it looks like now I am

borderline for pernicious anemia, but he thought that the water I take in with

my meals may not be allowing the digestive system to work properly in breaking

down the food to get nutrients (specifically B12 in this case). If I can take

HCL to avoid taking B12 injections I will, but I don't want to mess around with

heartburn either. Any thoughts on this?

>

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