Re: Immunepro, Immunplus, etc/

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In a message dated 9/17/00 3:18:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Laurion@... writes:

<< How do you know your estrogen is decreasing from the ImmunoPro? Is

there a test? What are your symptoms? Are you close to or are you in

menopause?

I quit the ImmunoPro because of the following reactions: extreme all

over body/muscle/joint pain, intense energy that my body could not keep

up with, destruction of sleep, terrrible smelling breath.......in just

made me a wreck.

However, I did lose weight. >>

I have tested positive three times for low estrogen (blood test) while on

immunopro. The minute I go off immunopro my estrogen levels return to

normal. Like I said, we did this test three different times after starting

back up on immunopro. It does help me lose weight as well. But I can't

sleep on it at all (most likely because my estrogen level is so low- or its

effect on my liver). I didn't get to the point that I had hot flashes but my

estrogen was out of the range low. If I kept taking it, hot flashes were

sure to follow I am sure. I am in my 30's. One question...what do you mean

by terrible smelling breath? I have never heard of this type of reaction

from immunopro. Whats in the immunopro that would cause that? Thanks, karen

[Guest guest]

How do you know your estrogen is decreasing from the ImmunoPro? Is

there a test? What are your symptoms? Are you close to or are you in

menopause?

I quit the ImmunoPro because of the following reactions: extreme all

over body/muscle/joint pain, intense energy that my body could not keep

up with, destruction of sleep, terrrible smelling breath.......in just

made me a wreck.

However, I did lose weight.

I have taken Immunocal for several years with no adverse reaction, and

am not well without it.

Thanks for any info........................Laurion

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In a message dated 9/17/00 6:18:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

jane_doe_press@... writes:

<< and all,

Sorry I asked a redudant question. (Laurion had already asked)

What is the test I need to ask for - for estrogen?

Thanks,

>>

Hi , its just a regular blood test for estrogen. Just say you need to

be tested for estrogen levels of the blood and they will know what test to

do. If you need to lower your estrogen, immunopro will help I am sure of it.

I know of two others on this list who were having estrogen problems because

of the pro. Maybe they will speak up and explain as well.

[Guest guest]

and all,

Sorry I asked a redudant question. (Laurion had already asked)

What is the test I need to ask for - for estrogen?

Thanks,

>

> I have tested positive three times for low estrogen (blood test) while on

> immunopro. The minute I go off immunopro my estrogen levels return to

> normal.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/18/00 3:05:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

canderson@... writes:

<< This is interesting because I was having night sweats which my doctor said

was probably from estrogen falling off suddenly when I stopped my birth

control pills, and gave me one that tapered off. That was when I was

first taking Imuplus. After a few months the sweats stopped, with or

without pills (but with ImmunePro/LEF Whey/Imuplus.) But you're saying

sweating could be from LOW estrogen, and if that's so, why would it have

gone back up? And also, one of my genetic defects that causes hypercoag

is lp(a) and estrogen lowers lp(a), so low estrogen could contribute to

coagulation...

I have no idea what this means, but it's interesting.

>>

I am confused as to when you had low estrogen and when it went back to

normal. Can you explain again so I can try to help you? ALso, as far as I

know estrogen usually promotes thicker blood, not thinner blood. Did you

have night sweats and low estrogen on the immuplus or off of it?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/18/00 4:32:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Laurion@... writes:

<< or anyone......do you know if estrogen is affected by Immunocal?

I could have probably suffered thru all the negative Pro symptoms, but

the killer was the sleep problem. >>

Not sure about the Immunocal. I emailed the people at Immunopro and they

said that my estrogen is lowering because of the effect Immunopro has on the

liver. Immunopro makes the liver recycle faster and that lowers estrogen.

[Guest guest]

This is interesting because I was having night sweats which my doctor said

was probably from estrogen falling off suddenly when I stopped my birth

control pills, and gave me one that tapered off. That was when I was

first taking Imuplus. After a few months the sweats stopped, with or

without pills (but with ImmunePro/LEF Whey/Imuplus.) But you're saying

sweating could be from LOW estrogen, and if that's so, why would it have

gone back up? And also, one of my genetic defects that causes hypercoag

is lp(a) and estrogen lowers lp(a), so low estrogen could contribute to

coagulation...

I have no idea what this means, but it's interesting.

lbinujrsy@...

09/17/00 04:53 PM

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Subject: Re: Immunepro, Immunplus, etc/

In a message dated 9/17/00 3:18:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Laurion@... writes:

<< How do you know your estrogen is decreasing from the ImmunoPro? Is

there a test? What are your symptoms? Are you close to or are you in

menopause?

I quit the ImmunoPro because of the following reactions: extreme all

over body/muscle/joint pain, intense energy that my body could not keep

up with, destruction of sleep, terrrible smelling breath.......in just

made me a wreck.

However, I did lose weight. >>

I have tested positive three times for low estrogen (blood test) while on

immunopro. The minute I go off immunopro my estrogen levels return to

normal. Like I said, we did this test three different times after

starting

back up on immunopro. It does help me lose weight as well. But I can't

sleep on it at all (most likely because my estrogen level is so low- or

its

effect on my liver). I didn't get to the point that I had hot flashes but

my

estrogen was out of the range low. If I kept taking it, hot flashes were

sure to follow I am sure. I am in my 30's. One question...what do you

mean

by terrible smelling breath? I have never heard of this type of reaction

from immunopro. Whats in the immunopro that would cause that? Thanks,

karen

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

or anyone......do you know if estrogen is affected by Immunocal?

I could have probably suffered thru all the negative Pro symptoms, but

the killer was the sleep problem.

I can't explain the breath thing. I was taking just a pinch of

ImmunoPro once a day, and by the third day, there was this smell in my

breath, like from my lungs.....the closest description of the smell was

similar to garlic and onions which I NEVER eat.

Does anyone else know about this?

Thanks much......................................Laurion

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In a message dated 9/18/00 6:36:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

canderson@... writes:

<<

About coagulation... the research shows that estrogen lowers lp(a). And

high lp(a) is a risk factor for hypercoagulation. (I have high lp(a)) So

that would make me think that estrogen, by lowering lp(a) would cause

blood to thin. Where did you hear that estrogen makes blood thicker? Are

you sure about that? If so there's something more complicated going on

here...

Cindi >>

I am absolutely positive about estrogen making blood thick. My aunt has

Lupus and part of Lupus is a problem with thick blood. The doctor always

tells her that she needs estrogen but can't take it because her blood will

clot and become thicker. I have heard this other places as well. karen

[Guest guest]

Hi

Sorry I wasn't clear. I'm reading it now and confusing myself!

I never was tested for estrogen so I don't know if I was low or high. I

was having massive night sweats and my doctor said it was probably from

the falloff of " artificial " estrogen when you stop the pill every month.

She said that was common as you get older (I presume estrogen drops as you

get older, so maybe I was low?) And I was on the Immuplus, so I was

conjecturing that maybe THAT's why I was low. BUT, the sweats stopped and

I didn't stop the Immuplus, so maybe your body gets used to the whey after

a while and doesn't lower the estrogen? I wonder if the rest of the

people who had this problem had it a long time, or stopped the whey when

they got the symptoms and would be able to keep taking it if they kept

going.

About coagulation... the research shows that estrogen lowers lp(a). And

high lp(a) is a risk factor for hypercoagulation. (I have high lp(a)) So

that would make me think that estrogen, by lowering lp(a) would cause

blood to thin. Where did you hear that estrogen makes blood thicker? Are

you sure about that? If so there's something more complicated going on

here...

Cindi

lbinujrsy@...

09/18/00 03:48 PM

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Subject: Re: Immunepro, Immunplus, etc/

In a message dated 9/18/00 3:05:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

canderson@... writes:

<< This is interesting because I was having night sweats which my doctor

said

was probably from estrogen falling off suddenly when I stopped my birth

control pills, and gave me one that tapered off. That was when I was

first taking Imuplus. After a few months the sweats stopped, with or

without pills (but with ImmunePro/LEF Whey/Imuplus.) But you're saying

sweating could be from LOW estrogen, and if that's so, why would it have

gone back up? And also, one of my genetic defects that causes hypercoag

is lp(a) and estrogen lowers lp(a), so low estrogen could contribute to

coagulation...

I have no idea what this means, but it's interesting.

>>

I am confused as to when you had low estrogen and when it went back to

normal. Can you explain again so I can try to help you? ALso, as far as

I

know estrogen usually promotes thicker blood, not thinner blood. Did you

have night sweats and low estrogen on the immuplus or off of it?

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.