Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Yummmm, I love my soy! No one will convince me otherwise. If you look hard enough you can find good and bad about ANYTHING, you just need to look at the source,( wasn't Weston Price just a dentist?) and make what you feel is the best decision for you and your family. I have been eating soy for the past 12 years and according to Mercola I shouldn't have been fertile, hmmm, I conceived two children while trying to prevent and I shouldn't have had small and frail babies (8.5 lbs and 10 lbs, guess they could have been 10 and15 lbs, eh?). This discussion comes up every once in awhile and it is the one that always ends up ruffling my feathers. What does this have to do with vaccines? -- Sara Proud Mama to Colin 12/07/99 Jack 8/07/02 -------------- Original message -------------- From: Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> You have been talking about soy here........... Here is some excellent info http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html (also in French on the website for those you know) Introduction: Confused About Soy? * High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children. * Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth. * Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women. * Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease. * Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B12. * Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D. * Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein. * Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines. * Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods. * Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys. MANY articles on the site........... Soy Studies Dangers of Dietary Isoflavones at Levels Above Those Found in Traditional Diets 19 OCT 2002 Studies Showing General Adverse Effects of Soybeans, 1971-2001 19 OCT 2002 Soy Activism WAPF Comments to FDA on Solae Petition (PDF) 11 APR 2005 Rebuttal to Solae Health Claim re: Soy and Cancer (PDF) 25 JAN 2005 Response to Solae's FDA Petition (PDF) 14 JUN 2004 Press Release Regarding Response to Solae's FDA Petition (PDF) 05 JUL 2004 Soy-Based Infant Formula: Testimony to the US FDA 12 DEC 2003 Soy Articles Tragedy and Hype The Soy Controversy Soy and the Brain Advertising and Monkey Business Committee on Toxicity in Foods and the Environment Reply to Cohen, the Not Milk Man Soy Isoflavones: Panacea or Poison? Soy: The Dark Side of America's Favorite " Health " Food The Ploy of Soy Soya: The Quiet Conquest Maganese Madness MUCH MUCH MORE ******** http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2004/actionalert_033004.html March 30, 2004 Possible Legal Action On Medical Problems Caused By Soy The Weston A. Price Foundation is undertaking a new initiative to investigate instances and arrange possible legal assistance for individuals who believe that they or their child may have suffered serious physical or medical consequences as a result of ingesting one or more products containing soy. A growing body of credible medical and dietary research suggests that soy products may cause adverse medical and developmental conditions in susceptible persons, especially children – who in some instances may be affected by soy products consumed either by themselves (for instance, in baby formula) or by their mothers prior to giving birth. The Weston A. Price Foundation is exploring the causal connection between soy and various serious conditions – see attached listing. We have also sought out competent attorneys in the United States and elsewhere, who may develop medical evidence in a number of these cases to pursue damages or other appropriate remedies against the manufacturers and sellers of soy products. If you would like to participate in these efforts, we urge you to contact the Weston A. Price Foundation at westonaprice_soy@... . Upon receipt of your e-mail, we will forward you, via e-mail with attachments, a questionnaire and release form. We urge you to complete the questionnaire, fully and honestly, to the best of your ability. Also, please sign and return the medical authorization(s) along with the questionnaire, in order that we might gather relevant medical records in those cases that warrant further investigation. Mailing address and fax number will be provided to you with the questionnaire. PLEASE BE ADVISED that not all of these potential claims can or will be pursued, even if we conclude that you or your child may have suffered some adverse effects from the consumption of soy products. It may be too late under applicable state laws to pursue some claims; and in other cases, the parties responsible for your condition may not be adequately identified, or the recoverable damages may not warrant pursuit of the responsible parties. However, if you would like us to conduct a preliminary investigation of the circumstances of your potential claim, without cost or obligation to you, then promptly contact us at westonaprice_soy@... . We hope to be able to assist you in this matter, if our inquiry develops evidence of corporate responsibility for your medical problems or those of your child. Please forward this e-mail to anyone you think may have an interest, including other e-mail lists that you belong to. Sincerely, Sally A. Fallon, President Weston A. Price Foundation PARTIAL LIST OF PRODUCTS CONTAINING SOY Meal Replacement Beverages Smoothies Snack/Energy Bars containing soy products Soy-based Breads or breads containing soy flour Soy Ice Cream Soy Infant Formula Soy Isoflavone Supplements Soy Milk Soy Sausages Textured Vegetable Protein Tofu Veggie Burgers MEDICAL CONDITIONS POSSIBLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO SOY CONSUMPTION Asthma Chronic Fatigue Depression Diabetes Heart Arrhythmia Heart or Liver Disease Infertility/Reproductive Problems Irritable Bowel Syndrome Learning Disabilities/ADD/ADHD Pancreatic Disorders Premature or Delayed Puberty Rheumatoid Arthritis Thyroid Conditions: Auto-Immune Thyroid Disorders (Graves’ or Hashimoto’s Disease) Goiter Hypothyroidism Hyperthyroidism Thyroid Nodules Thyroid Cancer Other thyroid disorders Uterine Cancer Weight Gain SYMPTOMS OF POSSIBLE DISORDERS ATTRIBUTED TO SOY Always feeling cold or warm Anemia Behavioral problems Brittle nails Eczema Hair thinning or loss Hyperactivity Learning deficiencies Lethargy or low blood pressure Sore bones and joints Watery or swelling eyes Did you enjoy this article? 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Executive Director: bsanda@... -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 SaraShaughnessy@... wrote: > Yummmm, I love my soy! No one will convince me otherwise. I don't think anyone was trying to convince you to not love your soy Information is available--you can take or or leave it and still love it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 THis isnt the first time Ive heard negative things about soy. My chiropractor has had articles in his office before about soy and its negative effects. > > The GM soy does pollinate and spread to other crops. I think the vaccine > issue and this issue is right along the same lines as far as knowing what > you can do to decrease the overall toxic body burden. How old are your > children? Did you consume soy during pregnancy? How old are your kids? Maybe > you are just one of the lucky ones? Some of us have a pretty bad genetic > inheritance for insensitivities and poor health in one way or another. Jenn > L > Re: Soy Alert! > > > Yummmm, I love my soy! No one will convince me otherwise. If you look hard > enough you can find good and bad about ANYTHING, you just need to look at > the source,( wasn't Weston Price just a dentist?) and make what you feel is > the best decision for you and your family. I have been eating soy for the > past 12 years and according to Mercola I shouldn't have been fertile, hmmm, > I conceived two children while trying to prevent and I shouldn't have had > small and frail babies (8.5 lbs and 10 lbs, guess they could have been 10 > and15 lbs, eh?). > > This discussion comes up every once in awhile and it is the one that always > ends up ruffling my feathers. > > What does this have to do with vaccines? > > -- > Sara > Proud Mama to > Colin 12/07/99 > Jack 8/07/02 > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> > You have been talking about soy here........... > > Here is some excellent info > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html > (also in French on the website for those you know) > > Introduction: Confused About Soy? > > * High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, > magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by > ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow > cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children. > * Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may > cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin > inhibitors caused stunted growth. > * Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential > to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women. > * Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause > hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy > formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease. > * Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the > body's requirement for B12. > * Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D. > * Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to > make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein. > * Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic > lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines. > * Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy > food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods. > * Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the > nervous system and the kidneys. > > MANY articles on the site........... > Soy Studies > Dangers of Dietary Isoflavones at Levels Above Those Found in Traditional > Diets 19 OCT 2002 > > Studies Showing General Adverse Effects of Soybeans, 1971-2001 19 OCT 2002 > > Soy Activism > WAPF Comments to FDA on Solae Petition (PDF) 11 APR 2005 > > Rebuttal to Solae Health Claim re: Soy and Cancer (PDF) 25 JAN 2005 > > Response to Solae's FDA Petition (PDF) 14 JUN 2004 > > Press Release Regarding Response to Solae's FDA Petition (PDF) 05 JUL 2004 > > Soy-Based Infant Formula: Testimony to the US FDA 12 DEC 2003 > > Soy Articles > Tragedy and Hype > > The Soy Controversy > > Soy and the Brain > > Advertising and Monkey Business > > Committee on Toxicity in Foods and the Environment > > Reply to Cohen, the Not Milk Man > > Soy Isoflavones: Panacea or Poison? > > > Soy: > The Dark Side of America's Favorite " Health " Food > > The Ploy of Soy > > Soya: The Quiet Conquest > > Maganese Madness > > MUCH MUCH MORE > ******** > > http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2004/actionalert_033004.html > > March 30, 2004 > Possible Legal Action On Medical Problems Caused By Soy > > The Weston A. Price Foundation is undertaking a new initiative to > investigate instances and arrange possible legal assistance for individuals > who believe that they or their child may have suffered serious physical or > medical consequences as a result of ingesting one or more products > containing soy. > > A growing body of credible medical and dietary research suggests that soy > products may cause adverse medical and developmental conditions in > susceptible persons, especially children - who in some instances may be > affected by soy products consumed either by themselves (for instance, in > baby formula) or by their mothers prior to giving birth. > > The Weston A. Price Foundation is exploring the causal connection between > soy and various serious conditions - see attached listing. We have also > sought out competent attorneys in the United States and elsewhere, who may > develop medical evidence in a number of these cases to pursue damages or > other appropriate remedies against the manufacturers and sellers of soy > products. > > If you would like to participate in these efforts, we urge you to contact > the Weston A. Price Foundation at westonaprice_soy@... . Upon > receipt of your e-mail, we will forward you, via e-mail with attachments, a > questionnaire and release form. We urge you to complete the questionnaire, > fully and honestly, to the best of your ability. Also, please sign and > return the medical authorization(s) along with the questionnaire, in order > that we might gather relevant medical records in those cases that warrant > further investigation. Mailing address and fax number will be provided to > you with the questionnaire. > > PLEASE BE ADVISED that not all of these potential claims can or will be > pursued, even if we conclude that you or your child may have suffered some > adverse effects from the consumption of soy products. It may be too late > under applicable state laws to pursue some claims; and in other cases, the > parties responsible for your condition may not be adequately identified, or > the recoverable damages may not warrant pursuit of the responsible parties. > > However, if you would like us to conduct a preliminary investigation of the > circumstances of your potential claim, without cost or obligation to you, > then promptly contact us at westonaprice_soy@... . We hope to be > able to assist you in this matter, if our inquiry develops evidence of > corporate responsibility for your medical problems or those of your child. > > Please forward this e-mail to anyone you think may have an interest, > including other e-mail lists that you belong to. > > Sincerely, > > Sally A. Fallon, President > Weston A. Price Foundation > > PARTIAL LIST OF PRODUCTS CONTAINING SOY > Meal Replacement Beverages > Smoothies > Snack/Energy Bars containing soy products > Soy-based Breads or breads containing soy flour > Soy Ice Cream > Soy Infant Formula > Soy Isoflavone Supplements > Soy Milk > Soy Sausages > Textured Vegetable Protein > Tofu > Veggie Burgers > > MEDICAL CONDITIONS POSSIBLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO SOY CONSUMPTION > Asthma > Chronic Fatigue > Depression > Diabetes > Heart Arrhythmia > Heart or Liver Disease > Infertility/Reproductive Problems > Irritable Bowel Syndrome > Learning Disabilities/ADD/ADHD > Pancreatic Disorders > Premature or Delayed Puberty > Rheumatoid Arthritis > Thyroid Conditions: > Auto-Immune Thyroid Disorders (Graves' or Hashimoto's Disease) > Goiter > Hypothyroidism > Hyperthyroidism > Thyroid Nodules > Thyroid Cancer > Other thyroid disorders > Uterine Cancer > Weight Gain > > SYMPTOMS OF POSSIBLE DISORDERS ATTRIBUTED TO SOY > Always feeling cold or warm > Anemia > Behavioral problems > Brittle nails > Eczema > Hair thinning or loss > Hyperactivity > Learning deficiencies > Lethargy or low blood pressure > Sore bones and joints > Watery or swelling eyes > Did you enjoy this article? Click here to become a member of the Foundation > and receive our quarterly journal, Wise Traditions, full of articles like > this one as well as sources of healthy food. > > This page was posted on 04/01/04 > > Back to the previous page > > > > HOME > > The Weston A. Price Foundation, PMB 106-380, > 4200 Wisconsin Ave., NW, Washington DC 20016 > Phone: (202) 363-4394 | Fax: (202) 363-4396 | Web: www.westonaprice.org > General Information/Membership/Brochures: info@... > Local Chapters and Chapter Leaders: chapters@... > Executive Director: bsanda@... > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 We only buy non gm soy. I ate soy for about five years before becoming pregnant, I ate soy during both pregnancies. My children are six and three. My six year old is sick alot, but that is from the vaccines he had as an infant, my three year old is hardly ever sick. He just got over the chicken pox, which wasn't half as bad as his brother's and both boys are very tall compared to their peers. Actually my six year old is taller than kids older than him! My six year old has many food allergies and soy is not one of them, although, dairy and eggs are two of the big ones, go figure! -- Sara Proud Mama to Colin 12/07/99 Jack 8/07/02 --------- Re: Soy Alert! Yummmm, I love my soy! No one will convince me otherwise. If you look hard enough you can find good and bad about ANYTHING, you just need to look at the source,( wasn't Weston Price just a dentist?) and make what you feel is the best decision for you and your family. I have been eating soy for the past 12 years and according to Mercola I shouldn't have been fertile, hmmm, I conceived two children while trying to prevent and I shouldn't have had small and frail babies (8.5 lbs and 10 lbs, guess they could have been 10 and15 lbs, eh?). This discussion comes up every once in awhile and it is the one that always ends up ruffling my feathers. What does this have to do with vaccines? -- Sara Proud Mama to Colin 12/07/99 Jack 8/07/02 -------------- Original message -------------- From: Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> You have been talking about soy here........... Here is some excellent info http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html (also in French on the website for those you know) Introduction: Confused About Soy? * High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children. * Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth. * Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women. * Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease. * Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B12. * Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D. * Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein. * Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines. * Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods. * Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys. MANY articles on the site........... Soy Studies Dangers of Dietary Isoflavones at Levels Above Those Found in Traditional Diets 19 OCT 2002 Studies Showing General Adverse Effects of Soybeans, 1971-2001 19 OCT 2002 Soy Activism WAPF Comments to FDA on Solae Petition (PDF) 11 APR 2005 Rebuttal to Solae Health Claim re: Soy and Cancer (PDF) 25 JAN 2005 Response to Solae's FDA Petition (PDF) 14 JUN 2004 Press Release Regarding Response to Solae's FDA Petition (PDF) 05 JUL 2004 Soy-Based Infant Formula: Testimony to the US FDA 12 DEC 2003 Soy Articles Tragedy and Hype The Soy Controversy Soy and the Brain Advertising and Monkey Business Committee on Toxicity in Foods and the Environment Reply to Cohen, the Not Milk Man Soy Isoflavones: Panacea or Poison? Soy: The Dark Side of America's Favorite " Health " Food The Ploy of Soy Soya: The Quiet Conquest Maganese Madness MUCH MUCH MORE ******** http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2004/actionalert_033004.html March 30, 2004 Possible Legal Action On Medical Problems Caused By Soy The Weston A. Price Foundation is undertaking a new initiative to investigate instances and arrange possible legal assistance for individuals who believe that they or their child may have suffered serious physical or medical consequences as a result of ingesting one or more products containing soy. A growing body of credible medical and dietary research suggests that soy products may cause adverse medical and developmental conditions in susceptible persons, especially children - who in some instances may be affected by soy products consumed either by themselves (for instance, in baby formula) or by their mothers prior to giving birth. The Weston A. Price Foundation is exploring the causal connection between soy and various serious conditions - see attached listing. We have also sought out competent attorneys in the United States and elsewhere, who may develop medical evidence in a number of these cases to pursue damages or other appropriate remedies against the manufacturers and sellers of soy products. If you would like to participate in these efforts, we urge you to contact the Weston A. Price Foundation at westonaprice_soy@... . Upon receipt of your e-mail, we will forward you, via e-mail with attachments, a questionnaire and release form. We urge you to complete the questionnaire, fully and honestly, to the best of your ability. Also, please sign and return the medical authorization(s) along with the questionnaire, in order that we might gather relevant medical records in those cases that warrant further investigation. Mailing address and fax number will be provided to you with the questionnaire. PLEASE BE ADVISED that not all of these potential claims can or will be pursued, even if we conclude that you or your child may have suffered some adverse effects from the consumption of soy products. It may be too late under applicable state laws to pursue some claims; and in other cases, the parties responsible for your condition may not be adequately identified, or the recoverable damages may not warrant pursuit of the responsible parties. However, if you would like us to conduct a preliminary investigation of the circumstances of your potential claim, without cost or obligation to you, then promptly contact us at westonaprice_soy@... . We hope to be able to assist you in this matter, if our inquiry develops evidence of corporate responsibility for your medical problems or those of your child. Please forward this e-mail to anyone you think may have an interest, including other e-mail lists that you belong to. Sincerely, Sally A. Fallon, President Weston A. Price Foundation PARTIAL LIST OF PRODUCTS CONTAINING SOY Meal Replacement Beverages Smoothies Snack/Energy Bars containing soy products Soy-based Breads or breads containing soy flour Soy Ice Cream Soy Infant Formula Soy Isoflavone Supplements Soy Milk Soy Sausages Textured Vegetable Protein Tofu Veggie Burgers MEDICAL CONDITIONS POSSIBLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO SOY CONSUMPTION Asthma Chronic Fatigue Depression Diabetes Heart Arrhythmia Heart or Liver Disease Infertility/Reproductive Problems Irritable Bowel Syndrome Learning Disabilities/ADD/ADHD Pancreatic Disorders Premature or Delayed Puberty Rheumatoid Arthritis Thyroid Conditions: Auto-Immune Thyroid Disorders (Graves' or Hashimoto's Disease) Goiter Hypothyroidism Hyperthyroidism Thyroid Nodules Thyroid Cancer Other thyroid disorders Uterine Cancer Weight Gain SYMPTOMS OF POSSIBLE DISORDERS ATTRIBUTED TO SOY Always feeling cold or warm Anemia Behavioral problems Brittle nails Eczema Hair thinning or loss Hyperactivity Learning deficiencies Lethargy or low blood pressure Sore bones and joints Watery or swelling eyes Did you enjoy this article? Click here to become a member of the Foundation and receive our quarterly journal, Wise Traditions, full of articles like this one as well as sources of healthy food. This page was posted on 04/01/04 Back to the previous page HOME The Weston A. Price Foundation, PMB 106-380, 4200 Wisconsin Ave., NW, Washington DC 20016 Phone: (202) 363-4394 | Fax: (202) 363-4396 | Web: www.westonaprice.org General Information/Membership/Brochures: info@... Local Chapters and Chapter Leaders: chapters@... Executive Director: bsanda@... -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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