Katrin/michelle Candida with amalgam

[Guest guest]

Im not sure why my natuopath said if I take anything

to kill the candida it would make it worse. but a

couple of days ago i got real sick is this detox

syptoms ? I got a chest and head cold but i felt so

sick i was crying i had such bad pain in my whole body

and my ears hurt so bad everytime i swallowed i never

had a cold like this before i had cfs thats why im not

sure what is going on.-

and-- squirel <squirel@...> wrote:

> I agree with that katrin.

> Treatment for candida even with amalgams still in

> place, can give

> a lot of relief and improvement.

> However it seems difficult to eliminate

> completely.And you must remain on

> the

> diet and antifungals to keep it in check.

> Whether amalgam removal will correct this difficulty

> to completely

> cure candida remains to be seen. However, Ive heard

> anecdotal

> accounts of people who have accomplished this,

> although this seems

> to be only with some safe, effective chelation of

> remaining mercury from the

> body.

> I know that with a low carb diet and antifungals,

> all my allergy's to foods

> substantially decrease. I wonder if some of the bad

> reactions some people

> have

> to chelation might have been prevented with a

> stringent course of

> antifungal medication

> and diet prior to amalgam removal and Chelation.

> This is what I will be doing prior to amalgam

> removal and chelation

> treatment.

> I find the antifungal treatment sheer hell initially

> and have to be carefull

> about how much antifungal medication I take, or It

> is simply intolerable.

> But the results are always the same. The more

> rigorous I am in maintaining

> the

> diet along with antifungal drugs or herbs, the more

> improvement I get. If I

> lapse with the

> diet while taking antifungals I feel worse and can

> go back to square 1 very

> quickly , so this is not easy.

> Recently I learned that from a study on Pub med that

> Candida can convert

> the less harmful inorganic mercury into the very

> poisonous methyl-mercury.

> The Candida then stores it in its cell walls, and

> as the candida dies off

> it is probably

> released into the digestive system.

> Other oral and gut bacteria also have this ability.

> Unlike some people with Cfs I tolerate NAC very

> well. I have found both

> NAC and the cheaper L-cysteine to be equally

> beneficial in reducing all of

> my symtoms

> of pain and help me tolerate the awful initial die

> off symptoms that come

> with

> antifungal treatment. I have also just read on

> Pubmed that NAC chelates

> methyl-mercury which is then excreted in the urine

> and stools. It does not

> however chelate inorganic mercury.

> It is possible though that the methyl-mercury is

> what causes the severe food

> intolerance symptoms.

> This could happen in part because food ( especially

> sugar and carbs ) feeds

> bacteria and fungi. The greater numbers of bacteria

> and fungi

> can then produce more methyl mercury.

> Even if you have never had fillings, a broken

> thermometer or a high fish

> diet

> you could still have mercury in your system. I have

> read that Power plants

> and other industries constantly spew out 100's of

> thousands

> of pounds of mercury into the atmosphere every year.

> Some industrial areas

> even have mercury at unacceptable levels in the

> rain water as the smog gets

> into the rain.

> If the poisoning is not recent or dramatic it will

> not show up in a regular

> urine or blood test.

> If the poisoning is long term low level you need to

> have a chelation

> provoked urine

> test to know one way or another.

> However, for some, the chelation test can make you

> much worse so is not

> something to be rushed into.

> The safest type seems to be oral DMSA

> although I would not recommend even this to you lest

> you have a bad

> reaction.

> I think the bad reactions some patients have may be

> something to do with

> candida

> die off and a sudden

> large release of methyl-mercury but Im not sure.]

> Your overall mercury levels may be OK but if you

> have any mercury at all in

> your mouth or gut

> your bacterial flora balance may favor methyl-

> mercury conversion.

> It takes very little methyl-mercury to make

> a person very sick. Methyl mercury is at least 100

> times more toxic than the

> very toxic inorganic

> mercury. So you do not need high levels for this to

> effect you. None of the

> available tests for mercury show which type of

> mercury

> is being measured . So if you have a normal level of

> mercury you may still

> have a high level

> of methyl-mercury as this is far mor toxic and

> might be being produced by

> bacteria and fungi.

> In recent years a respected woman scientist was

> using methyl mercury in the

> laboratory.

> She spilled a couple of drops on the surgical gloves

> she was wearing. It

> almost instantly ate through

> the gloves and poisoned her. Over a period of three

> months her health

> deteriorated and despite

> chelation and treatment for mercury poisoning, she

> became blind and deaf

> then sadly died.

> This tragic example may give you some idea as to the

> toxicity of

> methyl-mercury.

> The penetration of the mercury through the gloves

> has to make one wonder

> what this

> substance could do to the lining of the gut and

> indeed all the cell

> membranes in the body

>

> In the next few months

> I will be adhering to the antifungal protocol very

> carefully. Shall also be

> taking

> NAC or cysteine as this has always been fantastic

> for me. Will then try low

> have

> a DMSA provoked urine test for mercury. If my

> mercury levels are high I will

> have the

> amalgams removed, then continue with Chelation and

> antifungal therapy.

> I will keep you all posted as to the results.

> Thanks to the people (only 9 people have responded

> so far ) who filled out

> the

> mercury questionnaire.There's only about 3-4 days

> left to run and I will

> either have

> pay for it, which at $20 US per month (NZ$60) I

> cannot afford to. I have

> saved

> the HTML to my hard drive and if I can find a truly

> free site to run it from

> will

> resurrect it and continue.

>

> Here's the URL again if you'd like to do the survey.

>

>

http://www.formsite.com/cfsquestionaire/form53229664/index.html

>

>

>

>

> Cheryl

>

>

>

>

> RE: Re: Bloating and

> Constipation

>

>

> > There are a lot of people who believe that mercury

> poisining is one of the

> > causes of candida, but I don't agree that it can't

> be treated before

> > amalgam fillings are replaced. I was taking

> probiotics and natural

> > anti-fungals approx 9 months before my amalgam

> fillings were replaced, and

> > during this time my yeast infection defintely went

> down. When you still

>

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[Guest guest]

right now my nauopath has me on one capsule of

ascidophillus not sure how to spell that and something

called interfresh also its been a week and only went

to the bathroom once after i drank smooth move but 3

days already and still didnt go. My doc sent me

something called blue heron have you heard of this i

hope it helps also will prunce juice be good ?

--- squirel <squirel@...> wrote:

> Hi Michele

>

> What are you taking for Candida and are you

> following the diet properly.

> Yes you can become especially ill when fighting

> Candida.

> The first thing to do is to stop the antifungals and

> wait until your

> symptoms

> decrease.

> Once you feel better you should start the antifungal

> treatment again but at

> a much lower dose.

> Just raise or lower the dose till you find a

> tolerable level. If you get

> unbearable symptoms

> from dye off stop until they subside. Then resume at

> a lower dose. I take

> one small dose

> of nilstat at night, so that it won't ruin my day.

> If you are taking antifungals keep lowering the

> dose until you find a

> tolerable level

> and go slower. Once you start to improve you can

> very gradually increase the

> dose of anti

> fungal meds. But expect increased symptoms with each

> increase. Also though,

> expect increased wellbeing as

> you progress.

> If you can tolerate L-Cysteine or NAC this will

> help with die-off a lot.

> If you get side affects with Cysteine you can add

> vitamin C. You must take

> 3x the dose of vitamin c.

> E.g. with 500mg of Cysteine you need to take 1500mg

> of vitamin C.

> I have tried this as when I take more than 2x 500mg

> capsules I get a

> headache. If I take it

> with the correct amount of vitamin C this doesn't

> happen.

> Dont take Cysteine with food. Take it well away from

> meals as it may rob

> your food of minerals.

>

>

> If you are fighting candida do not take sugar, also

> lower your carbohydrate

> intake. Do not eat honey, sucrose or fruit. If you

> do you will be

> encouraging

> its growth while you are trying to kill it and this

> will make you feel

> lousy.

> Sometimes it helps to fast before starting

> antifungal treatment as this

> starves

> the candida first. I often fast or reduce my food

> intake to get an

> improvement

> when my symptoms are severe. If you can increase

> your intake of water this

> will improve symptoms a lot.

> I have been really bad lately, have not been

> sticking to the diet. Ive

> increased my water intake

> , reduced my caffeine consumption to a minimum 1-2

> cups of tea per day. I

> now feel

> a bit better, not so death-like.

> Blood infection with candida and sometimes systemic

> candida can kill people.

> This usually happens to people who are

> immunocompromised and have

> other conditions such as aids or cancer. Candida

> takes hold and

> becomes very difficult to eradicate.

> I find that anything which I can tolerate which

> supports the liver

> helps when trying to eliminate candida, as the die

> off produces some nasty

> toxins of which methyl-mercury may be one. The liver

> is responsible for a

> large

> part of toxin removal in the body.

> Cell salts Nat suplh, calc sulph and kali mur when

> taken together in hot

> water

> and sipped throughout the day are the best liver

> detox support Ive Found.

> A lady I was going to for healing also has Cfs. I

> recommended that she take

> Nat sulph for her migraines as these often originate

> in the liver. She was

> rapt with

> the result. She no longer has to take her pain meds

> for migranes. You do

> have to

> take enough of them to get this result, as there are

> a lot of poisons going

> into the system.

>

> Please tell me what you are taking for candida and

> if you are managing to

> follow

> the almost impossible ( but beneficial ) diet.

> I know from my own experience how bad you are

> feeling with the die off.

>

> Hope this will help.

>

> Cheryl

>

>

>

> > Im not sure why my natuopath said if I take

> anything

> > to kill the candida it would make it worse. but a

> > couple of days ago i got real sick is this detox

> > syptoms ? I got a chest and head cold but i felt

> so

> > sick i was crying i had such bad pain in my whole

> body

> >

> > and my ears hurt so bad everytime i swallowed i

> never

> > had a cold like this before i had cfs thats why im

> not

> > sure what is going on.-

> > and-- squirel <squirel@...> wrote:

> > > I agree with that katrin.

> > > Treatment for candida even with amalgams still

> in

> > > place, can give

> > > a lot of relief and improvement.

> > > However it seems difficult to eliminate

> > > completely.And you must remain on

> > > the

> > > diet and antifungals to keep it in check.

> > > Whether amalgam removal will correct this

> difficulty

> > > to completely

> > > cure candida remains to be seen. However, Ive

> heard

> > > anecdotal

> > > accounts of people who have accomplished this,

> > > although this seems

> > > to be only with some safe, effective chelation

> of

> > > remaining mercury from the

> > > body.

> > > I know that with a low carb diet and

> antifungals,

> > > all my allergy's to foods

> > > substantially decrease. I wonder if some of the

> bad

> > > reactions some people

> > > have

> > > to chelation might have been prevented with a

> > > stringent course of

> > > antifungal medication

> > > and diet prior to amalgam removal and Chelation.

> > > This is what I will be doing prior to amalgam

> > > removal and chelation

> > > treatment.

> > > I find the antifungal treatment sheer hell

> initially

> > > and have to be carefull

> > > about how much antifungal medication I take, or

> It

> > > is simply intolerable.

> > > But the results are always the same. The more

> > > rigorous I am in maintaining

> > > the

> > > diet along with antifungal drugs or herbs, the

> more

> > > improvement I get. If I

> > > lapse with the

> > > diet while taking antifungals I feel worse and

> can

> > > go back to square 1 very

> > > quickly , so this is not easy.

> > > Recently I learned that from a study on Pub med

> that

> > > Candida can convert

> > > the less harmful inorganic mercury into the very

> > > poisonous methyl-mercury.

> > > The Candida then stores it in its cell walls,

> and

> > > as the candida dies off

> > > it is probably

> > > released into the digestive system.

> > > Other oral and gut bacteria also have this

> ability.

> > > Unlike some people with Cfs I tolerate NAC very

> > > well. I have found both

> > > NAC and the cheaper L-cysteine to be equally

> > > beneficial in reducing all of

> > > my symtoms

> > > of pain and help me tolerate the awful initial

> die

>

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[Guest guest]

I agree with that katrin.

Treatment for candida even with amalgams still in place, can give

a lot of relief and improvement.

However it seems difficult to eliminate completely.And you must remain on

the

diet and antifungals to keep it in check.

Whether amalgam removal will correct this difficulty to completely

cure candida remains to be seen. However, Ive heard anecdotal

accounts of people who have accomplished this, although this seems

to be only with some safe, effective chelation of remaining mercury from the

body.

I know that with a low carb diet and antifungals, all my allergy's to foods

substantially decrease. I wonder if some of the bad reactions some people

have

to chelation might have been prevented with a stringent course of

antifungal medication

and diet prior to amalgam removal and Chelation.

This is what I will be doing prior to amalgam removal and chelation

treatment.

I find the antifungal treatment sheer hell initially and have to be carefull

about how much antifungal medication I take, or It is simply intolerable.

But the results are always the same. The more rigorous I am in maintaining

the

diet along with antifungal drugs or herbs, the more improvement I get. If I

lapse with the

diet while taking antifungals I feel worse and can go back to square 1 very

quickly , so this is not easy.

Recently I learned that from a study on Pub med that Candida can convert

the less harmful inorganic mercury into the very poisonous methyl-mercury.

The Candida then stores it in its cell walls, and as the candida dies off

it is probably

released into the digestive system.

Other oral and gut bacteria also have this ability.

Unlike some people with Cfs I tolerate NAC very well. I have found both

NAC and the cheaper L-cysteine to be equally beneficial in reducing all of

my symtoms

of pain and help me tolerate the awful initial die off symptoms that come

with

antifungal treatment. I have also just read on Pubmed that NAC chelates

methyl-mercury which is then excreted in the urine and stools. It does not

however chelate inorganic mercury.

It is possible though that the methyl-mercury is what causes the severe food

intolerance symptoms.

This could happen in part because food ( especially sugar and carbs ) feeds

bacteria and fungi. The greater numbers of bacteria and fungi

can then produce more methyl mercury.

Even if you have never had fillings, a broken thermometer or a high fish

diet

you could still have mercury in your system. I have read that Power plants

and other industries constantly spew out 100's of thousands

of pounds of mercury into the atmosphere every year. Some industrial areas

even have mercury at unacceptable levels in the rain water as the smog gets

into the rain.

If the poisoning is not recent or dramatic it will not show up in a regular

urine or blood test.

If the poisoning is long term low level you need to have a chelation

provoked urine

test to know one way or another.

However, for some, the chelation test can make you much worse so is not

something to be rushed into.

The safest type seems to be oral DMSA

although I would not recommend even this to you lest you have a bad

reaction.

I think the bad reactions some patients have may be something to do with

candida

die off and a sudden

large release of methyl-mercury but Im not sure.]

Your overall mercury levels may be OK but if you have any mercury at all in

your mouth or gut

your bacterial flora balance may favor methyl- mercury conversion.

It takes very little methyl-mercury to make

a person very sick. Methyl mercury is at least 100 times more toxic than the

very toxic inorganic

mercury. So you do not need high levels for this to effect you. None of the

available tests for mercury show which type of mercury

is being measured . So if you have a normal level of mercury you may still

have a high level

of methyl-mercury as this is far mor toxic and might be being produced by

bacteria and fungi.

In recent years a respected woman scientist was using methyl mercury in the

laboratory.

She spilled a couple of drops on the surgical gloves she was wearing. It

almost instantly ate through

the gloves and poisoned her. Over a period of three months her health

deteriorated and despite

chelation and treatment for mercury poisoning, she became blind and deaf

then sadly died.

This tragic example may give you some idea as to the toxicity of

methyl-mercury.

The penetration of the mercury through the gloves has to make one wonder

what this

substance could do to the lining of the gut and indeed all the cell

membranes in the body

In the next few months

I will be adhering to the antifungal protocol very carefully. Shall also be

taking

NAC or cysteine as this has always been fantastic for me. Will then try low

have

a DMSA provoked urine test for mercury. If my mercury levels are high I will

have the

amalgams removed, then continue with Chelation and antifungal therapy.

I will keep you all posted as to the results.

Thanks to the people (only 9 people have responded so far ) who filled out

the

mercury questionnaire.There's only about 3-4 days left to run and I will

either have

pay for it, which at $20 US per month (NZ$60) I cannot afford to. I have

saved

the HTML to my hard drive and if I can find a truly free site to run it from

will

resurrect it and continue.

Here's the URL again if you'd like to do the survey.

http://www.formsite.com/cfsquestionaire/form53229664/index.html

Cheryl

Re: Re: Bloating and Constipation

>

> The doc gave me something called interfresh for good

> bacteria but i talked with him yesterday he said he

> cant treat the candida until all my mercury is out

> does this make any sense?

> --- zoefilo@... wrote:

> > If your doctor can't help with these symptoms I

> > would try probiotics.

> > The best ones are: Primal Defense, Vital Biotics,

> > Bifa-15, Culturelle,

> > and HMF Forte. If you do searches on these products

> > you will lots of

> > good information. (Probiotics are also a good weapon

> > against Candida) I

> > also recommend:

> > www.execpc.com/~keephope/report19.html. It is the

> > Keep

> > Hope Alive site and is the newsletter issue all

> > about the kind of

> > digestive problems we have.

> >

> > Bonnie B

> >

> >

> > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal

> > experiences with each other, not to give medical

> > advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi what is L Cyistein? what do detox syptoms feel

like I got really sick before with detox stuff but i

had flu like syptoms but no flu and extremley bad pain

and felt like i had a fever but didnt now I actuaaly

got a bad chest cold and head cold but body is in bad

pain and ears hurt bad does this sound like detox to?

--- squirel <squirel@...> wrote:

> Hi

>

> I seem to have gotten a little confused as to what

> you

> were being treated for . Are you having Chelation?

> If you are and this is making you very sick, then If

> it

> were me I would stop immediately. Then just drink

> heaps of water and if you can tolerate L cysteine or

> NAC try these. I am intollerant to everything and

> yet

> water & Cysteine always seem to reduce my reactions

> and pain

> significantly.

> A few years ago I was renovating an old house when

> the painters

> were in, just one whiff of paint would make all my

> muscles hurt to the

> extent that I could barely walk. I found by chance

> that if I took

> 2 L-Cysteine tablets then the pain would be gone

> within half an hour.

> If I didn't take them the pain would just persist or

> get worse.

> Be careful though as we are all different.

> I'm afraid that apart from acidophilus Ive never

> heard

> of the supplements your naturopath is giving you. I

> live in NZ

> and a lot of stuff is just not available here.

> Unless your naturopath has had severe Cfs or has

> successfully

> treated severely ill Cfs patients I would be very

> careful about what she

> gives

> you.

> I have had well meaning holistic health people

> guarantee to cure me

> pushing me into their treatment programs and really

> make

> my condition a lot worse In the end I always revert

> to

> my own trial and error of what actually helps me.

> You can also get

> ideas to try from people on the list.

>

> Cheryl

>

>

>

>

> > right now my nauopath has me on one capsule of

> > ascidophillus not sure how to spell that and

> something

> > called interfresh also its been a week and only

> went

> > to the bathroom once after i drank smooth move but

> 3

> > days already and still didnt go. My doc sent me

> > something called blue heron have you heard of this

> i

> > hope it helps also will prunce juice be good ?

> > --- squirel <squirel@...> wrote:

> > > Hi Michele

> > >

> > > What are you taking for Candida and are you

> > > following the diet properly.

> > > Yes you can become especially ill when fighting

> > > Candida.

> > > The first thing to do is to stop the antifungals

> and

> > > wait until your

> > > symptoms

> > > decrease.

> > > Once you feel better you should start the

> antifungal

> > > treatment again but at

> > > a much lower dose.

> > > Just raise or lower the dose till you find a

> > > tolerable level. If you get

> > > unbearable symptoms

> > > from dye off stop until they subside. Then

> resume at

> > > a lower dose. I take

> > > one small dose

> > > of nilstat at night, so that it won't ruin my

> day.

> > > If you are taking antifungals keep lowering the

> > > dose until you find a

> > > tolerable level

> > > and go slower. Once you start to improve you can

> > > very gradually increase the

> > > dose of anti

> > > fungal meds. But expect increased symptoms with

> each

> > > increase. Also though,

> > > expect increased wellbeing as

> > > you progress.

> > > If you can tolerate L-Cysteine or NAC this will

> > > help with die-off a lot.

> > > If you get side affects with Cysteine you can

> add

> > > vitamin C. You must take

> > > 3x the dose of vitamin c.

> > > E.g. with 500mg of Cysteine you need to take

> 1500mg

> > > of vitamin C.

> > > I have tried this as when I take more than 2x

> 500mg

> > > capsules I get a

> > > headache. If I take it

> > > with the correct amount of vitamin C this

> doesn't

> > > happen.

> > > Dont take Cysteine with food. Take it well away

> from

> > > meals as it may rob

> > > your food of minerals.

> > >

> > >

> > > If you are fighting candida do not take sugar,

> also

> > > lower your carbohydrate

> > > intake. Do not eat honey, sucrose or fruit. If

> you

> > > do you will be

> > > encouraging

> > > its growth while you are trying to kill it and

> this

> > > will make you feel

> > > lousy.

> > > Sometimes it helps to fast before starting

> > > antifungal treatment as this

> > > starves

> > > the candida first. I often fast or reduce my

> food

> > > intake to get an

> > > improvement

> > > when my symptoms are severe. If you can increase

> > > your intake of water this

> > > will improve symptoms a lot.

> > > I have been really bad lately, have not been

> > > sticking to the diet. Ive

> > > increased my water intake

> > > , reduced my caffeine consumption to a minimum

> 1-2

> > > cups of tea per day. I

> > > now feel

> > > a bit better, not so death-like.

> > > Blood infection with candida and sometimes

> systemic

> > > candida can kill people.

> > > This usually happens to people who are

> > > immunocompromised and have

> > > other conditions such as aids or cancer. Candida

> > > takes hold and

> > > becomes very difficult to eradicate.

> > > I find that anything which I can tolerate which

> > > supports the liver

> > > helps when trying to eliminate candida, as the

> die

> > > off produces some nasty

> > > toxins of which methyl-mercury may be one. The

> liver

> > > is responsible for a

> > > large

> > > part of toxin removal in the body.

> > > Cell salts Nat suplh, calc sulph and kali mur

> when

> > > taken together in hot

> > > water

> > > and sipped throughout the day are the best liver

> > > detox support Ive Found.

> > > A lady I was going to for healing also has Cfs.

> I

> > > recommended that she take

> > > Nat sulph for her migraines as these often

> originate

> > > in the liver. She was

> > > rapt with

> > > the result. She no longer has to take her pain

> meds

> > > for migranes. You do

> > > have to

> > > take enough of them to get this result, as there

> are

> > > a lot of poisons going

> > > into the system.

> > >

> > > Please tell me what you are taking for candida

> and

> > > if you are managing to

> > > follow

> > > the almost impossible ( but beneficial ) diet.

> > > I know from my own experience how bad you are

> > > feeling with the die off.

> > >

> > > Hope this will help.

> > >

> > > Cheryl

> > >

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Cheryl has already given you some excellent advise.

Unfortunately it is almost impossible to distinguish between die-off

symptoms, allergic reactions to food, etc. So it is hard to tell if what

you are experiencing now is die off.

I followed the candida diet for about a month before taking any

anti-fungals. It the beginning I had die off symptoms even from

acidophilus. Than I had this " marvelous idea " to kill the " bad guys " all at

once. Needless to say, that it did not work, I only got real sick from

taking too many anti-fungals at a time.

The best is to start with the diet, because it already helps a lot. Once

your body adjusts, start with a very low doses of anti-fungals and increase

slowly to the level, where you feel the die off.

It will take much longer to get the candida under control, but you should

be able to function, while going through mild die off. Like Cheryl, I am

also not familiar with the medication you are taking.

But here is a list of anti-fungals, which could be very helpful. It was

compiled by members of the " yeast list " . It might be a good idea for you to

subscribe to the " yeast list " (see link below).

Katrin

STOMACH (take orally):

Caprylic Acid

Betaine HCL

Garlic (fresh)

Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE)

liquid Oil of Oregano (O3)

Pau d'Arco

Nystatin (prescription)

INTESTINES (take orally):

enteric coated capsules of:

Garlic

Oil of Oregano (O3)

Turmeric

Tannalbit

Soil Based Organisms (SBO's) / Homeostatic Soil Organisms (HSO's)

Nystatin (prescription)

Diflucan (prescription)

enemas/colonics with antifungals

VAGINA:

For vaginal use:

Monistat / Gyne-Lotrimin creams

whole Garlic gloves inserted (don't forget the thread)

Tea Tree Oil douche or suppositories

Douches/combinations of:

Echinacea

Pau d'Arco

Yarrow

Marshmallow

Barberry

TanaFem (plant tannins)

Take orally:

Diflucan (prescription)

Lamisil (prescription)

Gentian Violet (uncertain how it's used)

SKIN (apply directly to the problem skin area):

liquid Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE), diluted in water

Colloidal Silver (CS), undiluted

Tea Tree Oil

liquid Oil of Oregano (O3)

SINUSES (spray into nostrils):

nasal sprays containing Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE) or Colloidal Silver

(CS)

nasal irrigations containing GSE, CS, or Nystatin (prescription)

MOUTH -- for THRUSH and GINGIVITIS (rinse with, and then either spit or

swallow):

Tanoral

liquid Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE), diluted in water

Colloidal Silver (CS)

Nystatin (prescription)

SYSTEMIC (take orally):

liquid Oil of Oregano (O3)

Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE)

Colloidal Silver (CS)

Ozone

Hydrogen Peroxide

Magnesium Peroxide

Diflucan (prescription)

Lamisil (prescription)

Spanorex (prescription)

Monolaurin / Lauricidin

SF 722

Berberine

Viracin

Oxygen (exercise, breathing, supplements)

For list options and information about candida see:

http://www.howdyneighbor.com/jbayliss

Re: Katrin/michelle Candida with amalgam

Im not sure why my natuopath said if I take anything

to kill the candida it would make it worse. but a

couple of days ago i got real sick is this detox

syptoms ? I got a chest and head cold but i felt so

sick i was crying i had such bad pain in my whole body

and my ears hurt so bad everytime i swallowed i never

had a cold like this before i had cfs thats why im not

sure what is going on.-

and-- squirel <squirel@...> wrote:

> I agree with that katrin.

> Treatment for candida even with amalgams still in

> place, can give

> a lot of relief and improvement.

> However it seems difficult to eliminate

> completely.And you must remain on

> the

> diet and antifungals to keep it in check.

> Whether amalgam removal will correct this difficulty

> to completely

> cure candida remains to be seen. However, Ive heard

> anecdotal

> accounts of people who have accomplished this,

> although this seems

> to be only with some safe, effective chelation of

> remaining mercury from the

> body.

> I know that with a low carb diet and antifungals,

> all my allergy's to foods

> substantially decrease. I wonder if some of the bad

> reactions some people

> have

> to chelation might have been prevented with a

> stringent course of

> antifungal medication

> and diet prior to amalgam removal and Chelation.

> This is what I will be doing prior to amalgam

> removal and chelation

> treatment.

> I find the antifungal treatment sheer hell initially

> and have to be carefull

> about how much antifungal medication I take, or It

> is simply intolerable.

> But the results are always the same. The more

> rigorous I am in maintaining

> the

> diet along with antifungal drugs or herbs, the more

> improvement I get. If I

> lapse with the

> diet while taking antifungals I feel worse and can

> go back to square 1 very

> quickly , so this is not easy.

> Recently I learned that from a study on Pub med that

> Candida can convert

> the less harmful inorganic mercury into the very

> poisonous methyl-mercury.

> The Candida then stores it in its cell walls, and

> as the candida dies off

> it is probably

> released into the digestive system.

> Other oral and gut bacteria also have this ability.

> Unlike some people with Cfs I tolerate NAC very

> well. I have found both

> NAC and the cheaper L-cysteine to be equally

> beneficial in reducing all of

> my symtoms

> of pain and help me tolerate the awful initial die

> off symptoms that come

> with

> antifungal treatment. I have also just read on

> Pubmed that NAC chelates

> methyl-mercury which is then excreted in the urine

> and stools. It does not

> however chelate inorganic mercury.

> It is possible though that the methyl-mercury is

> what causes the severe food

> intolerance symptoms.

> This could happen in part because food ( especially

> sugar and carbs ) feeds

> bacteria and fungi. The greater numbers of bacteria

> and fungi

> can then produce more methyl mercury.

> Even if you have never had fillings, a broken

> thermometer or a high fish

> diet

> you could still have mercury in your system. I have

> read that Power plants

> and other industries constantly spew out 100's of

> thousands

> of pounds of mercury into the atmosphere every year.

> Some industrial areas

> even have mercury at unacceptable levels in the

> rain water as the smog gets

> into the rain.

> If the poisoning is not recent or dramatic it will

> not show up in a regular

> urine or blood test.

> If the poisoning is long term low level you need to

> have a chelation

> provoked urine

> test to know one way or another.

> However, for some, the chelation test can make you

> much worse so is not

> something to be rushed into.

> The safest type seems to be oral DMSA

> although I would not recommend even this to you lest

> you have a bad

> reaction.

> I think the bad reactions some patients have may be

> something to do with

> candida

> die off and a sudden

> large release of methyl-mercury but Im not sure.]

> Your overall mercury levels may be OK but if you

> have any mercury at all in

> your mouth or gut

> your bacterial flora balance may favor methyl-

> mercury conversion.

> It takes very little methyl-mercury to make

> a person very sick. Methyl mercury is at least 100

> times more toxic than the

> very toxic inorganic

> mercury. So you do not need high levels for this to

> effect you. None of the

> available tests for mercury show which type of

> mercury

> is being measured . So if you have a normal level of

> mercury you may still

> have a high level

> of methyl-mercury as this is far mor toxic and

> might be being produced by

> bacteria and fungi.

> In recent years a respected woman scientist was

> using methyl mercury in the

> laboratory.

> She spilled a couple of drops on the surgical gloves

> she was wearing. It

> almost instantly ate through

> the gloves and poisoned her. Over a period of three

> months her health

> deteriorated and despite

> chelation and treatment for mercury poisoning, she

> became blind and deaf

> then sadly died.

> This tragic example may give you some idea as to the

> toxicity of

> methyl-mercury.

> The penetration of the mercury through the gloves

> has to make one wonder

> what this

> substance could do to the lining of the gut and

> indeed all the cell

> membranes in the body

>

> In the next few months

> I will be adhering to the antifungal protocol very

> carefully. Shall also be

> taking

> NAC or cysteine as this has always been fantastic

> for me. Will then try low

> have

> a DMSA provoked urine test for mercury. If my

> mercury levels are high I will

> have the

> amalgams removed, then continue with Chelation and

> antifungal therapy.

> I will keep you all posted as to the results.

> Thanks to the people (only 9 people have responded

> so far ) who filled out

> the

> mercury questionnaire.There's only about 3-4 days

> left to run and I will

> either have

> pay for it, which at $20 US per month (NZ$60) I

> cannot afford to. I have

> saved

> the HTML to my hard drive and if I can find a truly

> free site to run it from

> will

> resurrect it and continue.

>

> Here's the URL again if you'd like to do the survey.

>

>

http://www.formsite.com/cfsquestionaire/form53229664/index.html

>

>

>

>

> Cheryl

>

>

>

>

> RE: Re: Bloating and

> Constipation

>

>

> > There are a lot of people who believe that mercury

> poisining is one of the

> > causes of candida, but I don't agree that it can't

> be treated before

> > amalgam fillings are replaced. I was taking

> probiotics and natural

> > anti-fungals approx 9 months before my amalgam

> fillings were replaced, and

> > during this time my yeast infection defintely went

> down. When you still

>

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__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Michele

What are you taking for Candida and are you following the diet properly.

Yes you can become especially ill when fighting Candida.

The first thing to do is to stop the antifungals and wait until your

symptoms

decrease.

Once you feel better you should start the antifungal treatment again but at

a much lower dose.

Just raise or lower the dose till you find a tolerable level. If you get

unbearable symptoms

from dye off stop until they subside. Then resume at a lower dose. I take

one small dose

of nilstat at night, so that it won't ruin my day.

If you are taking antifungals keep lowering the dose until you find a

tolerable level

and go slower. Once you start to improve you can very gradually increase the

dose of anti

fungal meds. But expect increased symptoms with each increase. Also though,

expect increased wellbeing as

you progress.

If you can tolerate L-Cysteine or NAC this will help with die-off a lot.

If you get side affects with Cysteine you can add vitamin C. You must take

3x the dose of vitamin c.

E.g. with 500mg of Cysteine you need to take 1500mg of vitamin C.

I have tried this as when I take more than 2x 500mg capsules I get a

headache. If I take it

with the correct amount of vitamin C this doesn't happen.

Dont take Cysteine with food. Take it well away from meals as it may rob

your food of minerals.

If you are fighting candida do not take sugar, also lower your carbohydrate

intake. Do not eat honey, sucrose or fruit. If you do you will be

encouraging

its growth while you are trying to kill it and this will make you feel

lousy.

Sometimes it helps to fast before starting antifungal treatment as this

starves

the candida first. I often fast or reduce my food intake to get an

improvement

when my symptoms are severe. If you can increase your intake of water this

will improve symptoms a lot.

I have been really bad lately, have not been sticking to the diet. Ive

increased my water intake

, reduced my caffeine consumption to a minimum 1-2 cups of tea per day. I

now feel

a bit better, not so death-like.

Blood infection with candida and sometimes systemic candida can kill people.

This usually happens to people who are immunocompromised and have

other conditions such as aids or cancer. Candida takes hold and

becomes very difficult to eradicate.

I find that anything which I can tolerate which supports the liver

helps when trying to eliminate candida, as the die off produces some nasty

toxins of which methyl-mercury may be one. The liver is responsible for a

large

part of toxin removal in the body.

Cell salts Nat suplh, calc sulph and kali mur when taken together in hot

water

and sipped throughout the day are the best liver detox support Ive Found.

A lady I was going to for healing also has Cfs. I recommended that she take

Nat sulph for her migraines as these often originate in the liver. She was

rapt with

the result. She no longer has to take her pain meds for migranes. You do

have to

take enough of them to get this result, as there are a lot of poisons going

into the system.

Please tell me what you are taking for candida and if you are managing to

follow

the almost impossible ( but beneficial ) diet.

I know from my own experience how bad you are feeling with the die off.

Hope this will help.

Cheryl

> Im not sure why my natuopath said if I take anything

> to kill the candida it would make it worse. but a

> couple of days ago i got real sick is this detox

> syptoms ? I got a chest and head cold but i felt so

> sick i was crying i had such bad pain in my whole body

>

> and my ears hurt so bad everytime i swallowed i never

> had a cold like this before i had cfs thats why im not

> sure what is going on.-

> and-- squirel <squirel@...> wrote:

> > I agree with that katrin.

> > Treatment for candida even with amalgams still in

> > place, can give

> > a lot of relief and improvement.

> > However it seems difficult to eliminate

> > completely.And you must remain on

> > the

> > diet and antifungals to keep it in check.

> > Whether amalgam removal will correct this difficulty

> > to completely

> > cure candida remains to be seen. However, Ive heard

> > anecdotal

> > accounts of people who have accomplished this,

> > although this seems

> > to be only with some safe, effective chelation of

> > remaining mercury from the

> > body.

> > I know that with a low carb diet and antifungals,

> > all my allergy's to foods

> > substantially decrease. I wonder if some of the bad

> > reactions some people

> > have

> > to chelation might have been prevented with a

> > stringent course of

> > antifungal medication

> > and diet prior to amalgam removal and Chelation.

> > This is what I will be doing prior to amalgam

> > removal and chelation

> > treatment.

> > I find the antifungal treatment sheer hell initially

> > and have to be carefull

> > about how much antifungal medication I take, or It

> > is simply intolerable.

> > But the results are always the same. The more

> > rigorous I am in maintaining

> > the

> > diet along with antifungal drugs or herbs, the more

> > improvement I get. If I

> > lapse with the

> > diet while taking antifungals I feel worse and can

> > go back to square 1 very

> > quickly , so this is not easy.

> > Recently I learned that from a study on Pub med that

> > Candida can convert

> > the less harmful inorganic mercury into the very

> > poisonous methyl-mercury.

> > The Candida then stores it in its cell walls, and

> > as the candida dies off

> > it is probably

> > released into the digestive system.

> > Other oral and gut bacteria also have this ability.

> > Unlike some people with Cfs I tolerate NAC very

> > well. I have found both

> > NAC and the cheaper L-cysteine to be equally

> > beneficial in reducing all of

> > my symtoms

> > of pain and help me tolerate the awful initial die

> > off symptoms that come

> > with

> > antifungal treatment. I have also just read on

> > Pubmed that NAC chelates

> > methyl-mercury which is then excreted in the urine

> > and stools. It does not

> > however chelate inorganic mercury.

> > It is possible though that the methyl-mercury is

> > what causes the severe food

> > intolerance symptoms.

> > This could happen in part because food ( especially

> > sugar and carbs ) feeds

> > bacteria and fungi. The greater numbers of bacteria

> > and fungi

> > can then produce more methyl mercury.

> > Even if you have never had fillings, a broken

> > thermometer or a high fish

> > diet

> > you could still have mercury in your system. I have

> > read that Power plants

> > and other industries constantly spew out 100's of

> > thousands

> > of pounds of mercury into the atmosphere every year.

> > Some industrial areas

> > even have mercury at unacceptable levels in the

> > rain water as the smog gets

> > into the rain.

> > If the poisoning is not recent or dramatic it will

> > not show up in a regular

> > urine or blood test.

> > If the poisoning is long term low level you need to

> > have a chelation

> > provoked urine

> > test to know one way or another.

> > However, for some, the chelation test can make you

> > much worse so is not

> > something to be rushed into.

> > The safest type seems to be oral DMSA

> > although I would not recommend even this to you lest

> > you have a bad

> > reaction.

> > I think the bad reactions some patients have may be

> > something to do with

> > candida

> > die off and a sudden

> > large release of methyl-mercury but Im not sure.]

> > Your overall mercury levels may be OK but if you

> > have any mercury at all in

> > your mouth or gut

> > your bacterial flora balance may favor methyl-

> > mercury conversion.

> > It takes very little methyl-mercury to make

> > a person very sick. Methyl mercury is at least 100

> > times more toxic than the

> > very toxic inorganic

> > mercury. So you do not need high levels for this to

> > effect you. None of the

> > available tests for mercury show which type of

> > mercury

> > is being measured . So if you have a normal level of

> > mercury you may still

> > have a high level

> > of methyl-mercury as this is far mor toxic and

> > might be being produced by

> > bacteria and fungi.

> > In recent years a respected woman scientist was

> > using methyl mercury in the

> > laboratory.

> > She spilled a couple of drops on the surgical gloves

> > she was wearing. It

> > almost instantly ate through

> > the gloves and poisoned her. Over a period of three

> > months her health

> > deteriorated and despite

> > chelation and treatment for mercury poisoning, she

> > became blind and deaf

> > then sadly died.

> > This tragic example may give you some idea as to the

> > toxicity of

> > methyl-mercury.

> > The penetration of the mercury through the gloves

> > has to make one wonder

> > what this

> > substance could do to the lining of the gut and

> > indeed all the cell

> > membranes in the body

> >

> > In the next few months

> > I will be adhering to the antifungal protocol very

> > carefully. Shall also be

> > taking

> > NAC or cysteine as this has always been fantastic

> > for me. Will then try low

> > have

> > a DMSA provoked urine test for mercury. If my

> > mercury levels are high I will

> > have the

> > amalgams removed, then continue with Chelation and

> > antifungal therapy.

> > I will keep you all posted as to the results.

> > Thanks to the people (only 9 people have responded

> > so far ) who filled out

> > the

> > mercury questionnaire.There's only about 3-4 days

> > left to run and I will

> > either have

> > pay for it, which at $20 US per month (NZ$60) I

> > cannot afford to. I have

> > saved

> > the HTML to my hard drive and if I can find a truly

> > free site to run it from

> > will

> > resurrect it and continue.

> >

> > Here's the URL again if you'd like to do the survey.

> >

> >

> http://www.formsite.com/cfsquestionaire/form53229664/index.html

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cheryl

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > RE: Re: Bloating and

> > Constipation

> >

> >

> > > There are a lot of people who believe that mercury

> > poisining is one of the

> > > causes of candida, but I don't agree that it can't

> > be treated before

> > > amalgam fillings are replaced. I was taking

> > probiotics and natural

> > > anti-fungals approx 9 months before my amalgam

> > fillings were replaced, and

> > > during this time my yeast infection defintely went

> > down. When you still

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I seem to have gotten a little confused as to what you

were being treated for . Are you having Chelation?

If you are and this is making you very sick, then If it

were me I would stop immediately. Then just drink

heaps of water and if you can tolerate L cysteine or

NAC try these. I am intollerant to everything and yet

water & Cysteine always seem to reduce my reactions and pain

significantly.

A few years ago I was renovating an old house when the painters

were in, just one whiff of paint would make all my muscles hurt to the

extent that I could barely walk. I found by chance that if I took

2 L-Cysteine tablets then the pain would be gone within half an hour.

If I didn't take them the pain would just persist or get worse.

Be careful though as we are all different.

I'm afraid that apart from acidophilus Ive never heard

of the supplements your naturopath is giving you. I live in NZ

and a lot of stuff is just not available here.

Unless your naturopath has had severe Cfs or has successfully

treated severely ill Cfs patients I would be very careful about what she

gives

you.

I have had well meaning holistic health people guarantee to cure me

pushing me into their treatment programs and really make

my condition a lot worse In the end I always revert to

my own trial and error of what actually helps me. You can also get

ideas to try from people on the list.

Cheryl

> right now my nauopath has me on one capsule of

> ascidophillus not sure how to spell that and something

> called interfresh also its been a week and only went

> to the bathroom once after i drank smooth move but 3

> days already and still didnt go. My doc sent me

> something called blue heron have you heard of this i

> hope it helps also will prunce juice be good ?

> --- squirel <squirel@...> wrote:

> > Hi Michele

> >

> > What are you taking for Candida and are you

> > following the diet properly.

> > Yes you can become especially ill when fighting

> > Candida.

> > The first thing to do is to stop the antifungals and

> > wait until your

> > symptoms

> > decrease.

> > Once you feel better you should start the antifungal

> > treatment again but at

> > a much lower dose.

> > Just raise or lower the dose till you find a

> > tolerable level. If you get

> > unbearable symptoms

> > from dye off stop until they subside. Then resume at

> > a lower dose. I take

> > one small dose

> > of nilstat at night, so that it won't ruin my day.

> > If you are taking antifungals keep lowering the

> > dose until you find a

> > tolerable level

> > and go slower. Once you start to improve you can

> > very gradually increase the

> > dose of anti

> > fungal meds. But expect increased symptoms with each

> > increase. Also though,

> > expect increased wellbeing as

> > you progress.

> > If you can tolerate L-Cysteine or NAC this will

> > help with die-off a lot.

> > If you get side affects with Cysteine you can add

> > vitamin C. You must take

> > 3x the dose of vitamin c.

> > E.g. with 500mg of Cysteine you need to take 1500mg

> > of vitamin C.

> > I have tried this as when I take more than 2x 500mg

> > capsules I get a

> > headache. If I take it

> > with the correct amount of vitamin C this doesn't

> > happen.

> > Dont take Cysteine with food. Take it well away from

> > meals as it may rob

> > your food of minerals.

> >

> >

> > If you are fighting candida do not take sugar, also

> > lower your carbohydrate

> > intake. Do not eat honey, sucrose or fruit. If you

> > do you will be

> > encouraging

> > its growth while you are trying to kill it and this

> > will make you feel

> > lousy.

> > Sometimes it helps to fast before starting

> > antifungal treatment as this

> > starves

> > the candida first. I often fast or reduce my food

> > intake to get an

> > improvement

> > when my symptoms are severe. If you can increase

> > your intake of water this

> > will improve symptoms a lot.

> > I have been really bad lately, have not been

> > sticking to the diet. Ive

> > increased my water intake

> > , reduced my caffeine consumption to a minimum 1-2

> > cups of tea per day. I

> > now feel

> > a bit better, not so death-like.

> > Blood infection with candida and sometimes systemic

> > candida can kill people.

> > This usually happens to people who are

> > immunocompromised and have

> > other conditions such as aids or cancer. Candida

> > takes hold and

> > becomes very difficult to eradicate.

> > I find that anything which I can tolerate which

> > supports the liver

> > helps when trying to eliminate candida, as the die

> > off produces some nasty

> > toxins of which methyl-mercury may be one. The liver

> > is responsible for a

> > large

> > part of toxin removal in the body.

> > Cell salts Nat suplh, calc sulph and kali mur when

> > taken together in hot

> > water

> > and sipped throughout the day are the best liver

> > detox support Ive Found.

> > A lady I was going to for healing also has Cfs. I

> > recommended that she take

> > Nat sulph for her migraines as these often originate

> > in the liver. She was

> > rapt with

> > the result. She no longer has to take her pain meds

> > for migranes. You do

> > have to

> > take enough of them to get this result, as there are

> > a lot of poisons going

> > into the system.

> >

> > Please tell me what you are taking for candida and

> > if you are managing to

> > follow

> > the almost impossible ( but beneficial ) diet.

> > I know from my own experience how bad you are

> > feeling with the die off.

> >

> > Hope this will help.

> >

> > Cheryl

> >

> >

> >

> > > Im not sure why my natuopath said if I take

> > anything

> > > to kill the candida it would make it worse. but a

> > > couple of days ago i got real sick is this detox

> > > syptoms ? I got a chest and head cold but i felt

> > so

> > > sick i was crying i had such bad pain in my whole

> > body

> > >

> > > and my ears hurt so bad everytime i swallowed i

> > never

> > > had a cold like this before i had cfs thats why im

> > not

> > > sure what is going on.-

> > > and-- squirel <squirel@...> wrote:

> > > > I agree with that katrin.

> > > > Treatment for candida even with amalgams still

> > in

> > > > place, can give

> > > > a lot of relief and improvement.

> > > > However it seems difficult to eliminate

> > > > completely.And you must remain on

> > > > the

> > > > diet and antifungals to keep it in check.

> > > > Whether amalgam removal will correct this

> > difficulty

> > > > to completely

> > > > cure candida remains to be seen. However, Ive

> > heard

> > > > anecdotal

> > > > accounts of people who have accomplished this,

> > > > although this seems

> > > > to be only with some safe, effective chelation

> > of

> > > > remaining mercury from the

> > > > body.

> > > > I know that with a low carb diet and

> > antifungals,

> > > > all my allergy's to foods

> > > > substantially decrease. I wonder if some of the

> > bad

> > > > reactions some people

> > > > have

> > > > to chelation might have been prevented with a

> > > > stringent course of

> > > > antifungal medication

> > > > and diet prior to amalgam removal and Chelation.

> > > > This is what I will be doing prior to amalgam

> > > > removal and chelation

> > > > treatment.

> > > > I find the antifungal treatment sheer hell

> > initially

> > > > and have to be carefull

> > > > about how much antifungal medication I take, or

> > It

> > > > is simply intolerable.

> > > > But the results are always the same. The more

> > > > rigorous I am in maintaining

> > > > the

> > > > diet along with antifungal drugs or herbs, the

> > more

> > > > improvement I get. If I

> > > > lapse with the

> > > > diet while taking antifungals I feel worse and

> > can

> > > > go back to square 1 very

> > > > quickly , so this is not easy.

> > > > Recently I learned that from a study on Pub med

> > that

> > > > Candida can convert

> > > > the less harmful inorganic mercury into the very

> > > > poisonous methyl-mercury.

> > > > The Candida then stores it in its cell walls,

> > and

> > > > as the candida dies off

> > > > it is probably

> > > > released into the digestive system.

> > > > Other oral and gut bacteria also have this

> > ability.

> > > > Unlike some people with Cfs I tolerate NAC very

> > > > well. I have found both

> > > > NAC and the cheaper L-cysteine to be equally

> > > > beneficial in reducing all of

> > > > my symtoms

> > > > of pain and help me tolerate the awful initial

> > die

> >

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