heparin: Herxheimer effect already?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I don't know if what I'm experiencing is a Herxheimer effect or not.

Are there any of you on the heparin protocol who can tell me if it's

normal to react to the heparin with die-off symptoms under these

circumstances?

It took me 2 weeks to get to the full dose of 4000 units X 2 since my

doctor had me start at one-quarter the usual dose and ramp up. I

encountered no adverse reactions until I got to full dose last week.

I've eliminated anything else that could be causitive so the over-

whelming fatigue, the head pressure, brain fog, feeling very cold,

IBS, and increase in pain seem to be heparin related. Berg

told me to expect the Herxheimer within a month but I expected that

to happen after a month of being at full dose rather than when I'd

just arrived at full dose.

Can anyone here comment to give me an idea if this is herxing or not?

Thanks,

Leah

[Guest guest]

Hi,

From my understanding heparin doesn't cause a herxheimer effect but

if you are taking Transfer Factor or antibiotics to treat an

infection (known or unknown) this will probably cause a herxheimer

reaction.

If your WBC count goes up then there is an infection present and this

would cause a herx.

I'm by no means an expert but this is what Berg mentions in his

townhall meeting.

Hope others here can help you with this.

Nat

- In @y..., " arachlea " <arachlea@h...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I don't know if what I'm experiencing is a Herxheimer effect or

not.

> Are there any of you on the heparin protocol who can tell me if

it's

> normal to react to the heparin with die-off symptoms under these

> circumstances?

>

> It took me 2 weeks to get to the full dose of 4000 units X 2 since

my

> doctor had me start at one-quarter the usual dose and ramp up. I

> encountered no adverse reactions until I got to full dose last

week.

> I've eliminated anything else that could be causitive so the over-

> whelming fatigue, the head pressure, brain fog, feeling very cold,

> IBS, and increase in pain seem to be heparin related. Berg

> told me to expect the Herxheimer within a month but I expected that

> to happen after a month of being at full dose rather than when I'd

> just arrived at full dose.

>

> Can anyone here comment to give me an idea if this is herxing or

not?

>

> Thanks,

> Leah

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/29/02 3:38:16 PM Mountain Standard Time, jazz62@...

writes:

> From my understanding heparin doesn't cause a herxheimer effect but

I recall hearing- from Berg's writings?- that the thicker blood could be the

hiding place of some biopathogen. If that is true, thinning the blood might

kill it and thus cause Herxing.

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

Some people get herx effects just from heparin. For one, once the fibrin

starts to break up the bugs start floating around more. Also, heparin is a

mild anti-viral.

Doris

Re: heparin: Herxheimer effect already?

> Hi,

>

> From my understanding heparin doesn't cause a herxheimer effect but

> if you are taking Transfer Factor or antibiotics to treat an

> infection (known or unknown) this will probably cause a herxheimer

> reaction.

> If your WBC count goes up then there is an infection present and this

> would cause a herx.

> I'm by no means an expert but this is what Berg mentions in his

> townhall meeting.

>

> Hope others here can help you with this.

> Nat

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" I recall hearing- from Berg's writings?- that the thicker blood

could be the hiding place of some biopathogen. If that is true,

thinning the blood might kill it and thus cause Herxing. "

Thanks, Doris, Nat, and Adrienne for your input. Berg told me

essentially the same thing in my conversation with him prior to

starting the heparin protocol, that thinnning the blood would expose

pathogens. Yesterday a staffer at Hemex said that some people

respond with symptoms such as I am experiencing with doses as low as

2000 units. And that some feel wonderful on starting and others feel

like they're dying. And that 4000 is much too high a starting dose

for some patients who need to begin low and ramp up gradually. And

evidently there are times when conversations are needed between your

doctor and to determine the best route for each patient. There

was more but you get the picture.

Gee, after 20 yrs of this craziness now why did I think the heparin

protocol would be anything near cut and dried? lol

Leah

[Guest guest]

hi,

exactly three days after starting heparin, my symptoms intensified, I'm now,

quite miserable.

My doc says its the heparin.

EML

heparin: Herxheimer effect already?

Hi,

I don't know if what I'm experiencing is a Herxheimer effect or not.

Are there any of you on the heparin protocol who can tell me if it's

normal to react to the heparin with die-off symptoms under these

circumstances?

It took me 2 weeks to get to the full dose of 4000 units X 2 since my

doctor had me start at one-quarter the usual dose and ramp up. I

encountered no adverse reactions until I got to full dose last week.

I've eliminated anything else that could be causitive so the over-

whelming fatigue, the head pressure, brain fog, feeling very cold,

IBS, and increase in pain seem to be heparin related. Berg

told me to expect the Herxheimer within a month but I expected that

to happen after a month of being at full dose rather than when I'd

just arrived at full dose.

Can anyone here comment to give me an idea if this is herxing or not?

Thanks,

Leah

[Guest guest]

I think herxing is common at any point in the first month, and beyond. Take

care of yourself. I got shingles when I was stressed out from my husband

having surgery during my 3rd week on heparin. Took me 3 months to begin to

feel any improvement because of the die-off.

> Re: heparin: Herxheimer effect already?

>

>

> hi,

> exactly three days after starting heparin, my symptoms

> intensified, I'm now, quite miserable.

> My doc says its the heparin.

>

> EML

> heparin: Herxheimer effect already?

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I don't know if what I'm experiencing is a Herxheimer effect or not.

> Are there any of you on the heparin protocol who can tell me if it's

> normal to react to the heparin with die-off symptoms under these

> circumstances?

>

> It took me 2 weeks to get to the full dose of 4000 units X 2 since my

> doctor had me start at one-quarter the usual dose and ramp up. I

> encountered no adverse reactions until I got to full dose last week.

> I've eliminated anything else that could be causitive so the over-

> whelming fatigue, the head pressure, brain fog, feeling very cold,

> IBS, and increase in pain seem to be heparin related. Berg

> told me to expect the Herxheimer within a month but I expected that

> to happen after a month of being at full dose rather than when I'd

> just arrived at full dose.

>

> Can anyone here comment to give me an idea if this is herxing or not?

>

> Thanks,

> Leah

>

>

>