Re: rhGH & bGF-JIM/Steve B.(long)

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I saw Dr. Cheney in Feb. and we discussed the steps to take to try

to get me prepared to take HGH.

2 issues he raised in this initial discussion of HGH-

1)any cancer cells that are present when take HGH, will be

inordinately multiplied. Doesn't " cause " cancer, but if you have

cancer already, at any stage, the HGH will accelerate it's growth.

2)HGH will also cause viruses to accelerate their replication.

Why? Because HGH increases protein synthesis, which is crucial for

cancer or viral cells to proliferate.

So, his tx. plan called for me to take Isoprinosine(Imunovir),

which helps to modulate your immune system, but also treats Herpes

Simplex 1 & 2. Then, one of the few tests he ordered was a Herpes

virus panel that tests for HHV4,5,6 & 7 to rule out any CURRENT

infection, since it is a PCR test which doesn't test for past or

latent infection, only current.

He didn't discuss any testing for cancer, but I will bring this issue

up before we get to the point of actually getting to the HGH protocol

step. To be fair, Dr. Cheney will probably bring it up later down the

road as well, this was my first appt. with him in some time, so we

didn't go over everything involved in going forward with the HGH

tx. since I'm a fair way off from that. Several steps to go before

I'd be ready to start HGH tx.

Maybe Steve B. could tell us what he knows about the AMAS test. I

know very little about it. I asked a different doc about it who used

HGH and he said the level of reliability of the test had not been

established yet, that it was still very experimental. But, maybe

Steve B. knows of some research/info. on AMAS test and it's proven

reliability for predicting the presence of cancer in the body. I'd

love to know more since I want the best assurance I can get before

I take HGH that there's no cancer present.

Steve B. or others---are there any other organisms besides cancer

and viral cells that can be really problematic re: increasing their

replication when using HGH?? Like Myco's, chlamydia, lyme, parasites,

etc.???

Below is the URL for Greta Moorkens dissertation on CFS and metabolic,

clinical, endocrine, and growth hormone(and HGH tx.). Dr. Cheney

referred to her work alot during my appt. with him. He seemed to

really respect her work, so I would think your doc would be impressed

with her work on HGH and HGH tx. in CFS cases. Hope this helps.

(Scroll down to Table of Contents in her paper). You'll have to type

in the URL since it won't fit on one line here.

http://listserv.surfnet.nl/SCRIPTS/WA.EXE?A2=ind0006C & L=me-

net & P=R1606 & m=1168

Best of luck, Jim! Hope this helps!

Would appreciate any feedback from you, Steve B. re: AMAS test or

anyone else that knows anything about this test for screening for

cancer!

Thanks and better health!

K.

> Jim,

>

> There are a couple studies coming out of Belgium from Greta

Moorkens, et al.

> I had a PSA prostate test prior to going on HGH but really should

have had

> the AMAS (Antimalignant Antibody Assay?) blood test that can detect

the

> beginnings of any type of tumor with a fair degree of accuracy. I

don't

> know the false positive rate. Steve B.

>

>

> >From: jschm111@c...

> >Reply-@y...

> >@y...

> >Subject: Re: rhGH & bGF

> >Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:50:14 EST

> >

> >I am interested in pursuing growth hormone treatment. I have 2

questions:

> >

> >1) Does anyone know of anything published that can be shown to a

doctor to

> >convince him/her to give it a try?

> >

> >2) Has anyone on it had any tests to show that you have no tumors

(which

> >could be complicated with growth hormones)?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >

> >Jim

>

>

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[Guest guest]

K,

I would try searching the internet for AMAS. I at one time had a several

page write up on the test and it's reliability but no longer have it. Steve

B.

>From: " sonshineseverywhere " <aohs@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: rhGH & bGF-JIM/Steve B.(long)

>Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 07:48:38 -0000

>

>Jim,

>I saw Dr. Cheney in Feb. and we discussed the steps to take to try

>to get me prepared to take HGH.

>

>2 issues he raised in this initial discussion of HGH-

>1)any cancer cells that are present when take HGH, will be

>inordinately multiplied. Doesn't " cause " cancer, but if you have

>cancer already, at any stage, the HGH will accelerate it's growth.

>2)HGH will also cause viruses to accelerate their replication.

>

>Why? Because HGH increases protein synthesis, which is crucial for

>cancer or viral cells to proliferate.

>

>So, his tx. plan called for me to take Isoprinosine(Imunovir),

>which helps to modulate your immune system, but also treats Herpes

>Simplex 1 & 2. Then, one of the few tests he ordered was a Herpes

>virus panel that tests for HHV4,5,6 & 7 to rule out any CURRENT

>infection, since it is a PCR test which doesn't test for past or

>latent infection, only current.

>

>He didn't discuss any testing for cancer, but I will bring this issue

>up before we get to the point of actually getting to the HGH protocol

>step. To be fair, Dr. Cheney will probably bring it up later down the

>road as well, this was my first appt. with him in some time, so we

>didn't go over everything involved in going forward with the HGH

>tx. since I'm a fair way off from that. Several steps to go before

>I'd be ready to start HGH tx.

>

>Maybe Steve B. could tell us what he knows about the AMAS test. I

>know very little about it. I asked a different doc about it who used

>HGH and he said the level of reliability of the test had not been

>established yet, that it was still very experimental. But, maybe

>Steve B. knows of some research/info. on AMAS test and it's proven

>reliability for predicting the presence of cancer in the body. I'd

>love to know more since I want the best assurance I can get before

>I take HGH that there's no cancer present.

>

>Steve B. or others---are there any other organisms besides cancer

>and viral cells that can be really problematic re: increasing their

>replication when using HGH?? Like Myco's, chlamydia, lyme, parasites,

>etc.???

>

>Below is the URL for Greta Moorkens dissertation on CFS and metabolic,

>clinical, endocrine, and growth hormone(and HGH tx.). Dr. Cheney

>referred to her work alot during my appt. with him. He seemed to

>really respect her work, so I would think your doc would be impressed

>with her work on HGH and HGH tx. in CFS cases. Hope this helps.

>

>(Scroll down to Table of Contents in her paper). You'll have to type

>in the URL since it won't fit on one line here.

>

>http://listserv.surfnet.nl/SCRIPTS/WA.EXE?A2=ind0006C & L=me-

>net & P=R1606 & m=1168

>

>Best of luck, Jim! Hope this helps!

>Would appreciate any feedback from you, Steve B. re: AMAS test or

>anyone else that knows anything about this test for screening for

>cancer!

>Thanks and better health!

>K.

>

>

> > Jim,

> >

> > There are a couple studies coming out of Belgium from Greta

>Moorkens, et al.

> > I had a PSA prostate test prior to going on HGH but really should

>have had

> > the AMAS (Antimalignant Antibody Assay?) blood test that can detect

>the

> > beginnings of any type of tumor with a fair degree of accuracy. I

>don't

> > know the false positive rate. Steve B.

> >

> >

> > >From: jschm111@c...

> > >Reply-@y...

> > >@y...

> > >Subject: Re: rhGH & bGF

> > >Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:50:14 EST

> > >

> > >I am interested in pursuing growth hormone treatment. I have 2

>questions:

> > >

> > >1) Does anyone know of anything published that can be shown to a

>doctor to

> > >convince him/her to give it a try?

> > >

> > >2) Has anyone on it had any tests to show that you have no tumors

>(which

> > >could be complicated with growth hormones)?

> > >

> > >Thanks,

> > >

> > >Jim

> >

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:

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