Re: gut destroyed from antibiotics?

[Guest guest]

You give a gut pH of 6.9pH, what is meant by gut? stomach, small

intestine, or colon? Each region has its own operating pH range.

To recolonize the colon with good bacteria the colon pH needs to

return to an acidic pH, . In the book " Acidophilus and colon health "

the author recommend drinking sweet diary whey to help acidify the

colon. Also, a high potenency formulation probiotic must be used.

Most probiotics sold in health food stores only contain 2 billion

live bacteria per capsule. This is not sufficient (according to the

author).

According to the book: " acidophilus will thrive only in a slightly

acid environment, in the specific pH range of 4.5 to 6.4.

All the best,

Jim

Fibromyalgia: A Hypothesis of Etiology

http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html

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> >Here are the test results from my Great smokies Comprehensive

digestive

> >Stool analysis CDSA. I was on antibiotics for 2 years, and now off

a year.

> >I would like feedback from anyone knowledgeable in treating these

things,

> >as my practitioner agreed to the tests but does not know much.

> >Of course I need acidoplillus, and digestive enzymes, but would

like to

> >find out what the doses are and how long to take them, also good

brands.

> >Can anyone suggest another online group discussing Great Smokies

tests?

> >thanks, Amy

> >

> >beneficial bacteria

> >lactobacillus -NONE

> >bifidobacterium-NONE

> >these friendly bacteria are important for gastrointestinal

function, as

> >they are involved in vitamin synthesis, natural antibiotic

production,

> >immune defense, digestion, detox of pro-carcinogens. The effects

of

> >imbalanced flora can be profound, leading to rheumatologic, and

systemic

> >complaints as well as GI disturbances.

> >

> >Klebsiella Oxytoca bacterial pathogen-high

> >related to Enterobacter.Can cause bacteremia. research links a

Klebseilla

> >infection with several AUTOIMMUNE diseases including Ankylsoing

> >Spondylitis.

> >

> >absorption

> >Long Chain Fatty Acids-high, off chart,suggest fat malabsorption

in the

> >small bowel, possibly resulting from bile salt insufficiency, or

> >inflammation within the intestinal mucosa

> >total fecal fat -high, off chart,reflect pancreatic insufficiency

and or

> >malabsorption

> >total short chain fatty acids low, reflect insuffieicnt normal

colonic

> >flora ,low fiber diet, or prolonged transit time

> >

> >metabolic markers

> >n-Butyrate low,primary energy source for colonic epithelial cells,

> >necessary for colonic mucosa

> >Beta-Glucuronidase - real low,lowered amounts have been noted in

people

> >taking broad scale antibiotics., also may indicate higer risk of

estrogen

> >deficiency conditions such as osteoporosis.

> >gut ph 6.9

> >

> >dysbiosis risk, moderate, level 13

> >

> >digestion

> >Chymotrypsin-real high

> >this is a key pancreatic enzyme that catalyzes protein

> >

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[Guest guest]

Actually, I had a pH of 7.7 and had high lactobacillus, high Escherichia

coli, and high Bifidobacterium, which are all beneficial, but the

lactobacillus was surviving in the high pH, so pH does not necessarily mean

that it can't survive. However, having it and having it be healthy and

active is another story, since I also had high Staphylococcus Aureus,

Pseudomonas aeruginosa and Klebsiella pneumoniae levels, so the acidophilus

wasn't keeping the other pathogens suppressed at that high pH. (By the way,

Klebsiella produces ammonia in the intestines, which contributes to the

intestines alkalinity. Kill off the Klebsiella, and the intestinal pH will

improve.)

Where do you get sweet dairy whey? Klebsiella happens to love lactose, so

using dairy products with lactose can increase it's growth. Does sweet dairy

whey have lactose in it? Is it related to these undenatured whey's that are

used for building glutithione levels? My naturopath recommended using butter

to increase n-butyrate levels, as it is a source of n-Butyrate, since I also

had low n-Butyrate levels, in spite of eating a high fiber diet. Water

soluble fiber is supposed to be metabolized by the intestinal flora into

n-Butyrate, but if the pathogens are too high it won't. Butter doesn't have

a lot of lactose in it. But I don't imagine it will help acidify the colon,

although it is supposed to have some minor immune improving benefits. My

naturopath said that water soluble fiber, such as that found in psyllium

husk or oats will help to acidify the colon so long as the level of

pathogens aren't too high. But first you have to kill the Klebsiella. I'm

currently on antibiotics, (minocycline, but I started with 10 days of Cipro)

plus I'm taking golden seal, Oregon grape root, Artemesia, Olive leaf

extract, and eating fresh garlic every day. (I could have been using Tyler's

Para-Gard, but it triggers hives in me because of the grapefruit seed

extract in it.) I'm also taking Tyler's Pro-Flora Concentrate (a probiotic)

and a Seacure mix called Foundation Formula that also has probiotics in it.

(though they don't list what types or how much in the Foundation Formula).

The peptides in Seacure are supposed to feed the intestinal lining. I'm also

on some homeopathic drops specifically for the pathogens that I have. So

far, it seems to be working, because I haven't had an IBS attack since

starting this protocol. We have yet to retest to see if I corrected things.

Klebsiella is commonly found in the water in cut flower vases or vegetables

that are soaked in water for long periods of time, or in vegetable drawers

in the refrigerator that have rotting vegetables in it. (Gotta keep that

vegetable drawer clean!) I think that my Klebsiella infection came from

eating fresh produce from my local grocery store, where they have been using

this system where they have tubs of water that they set vegetables in to

keep them fresh, such as green onions and lettuce. It keeps them green and

fresh longer than just misting or spraying with water, but I think the water

probably grows Klebsiella unless it gets changed frequently. And because the

vegetables soak up the water, they can't add anything antimicrobial to it

without contaminating the vegetables.

lindaj@...

Re: gut destroyed from antibiotics?

> To recolonize the colon with good bacteria the colon pH needs to

> return to an acidic pH, . In the book " Acidophilus and colon health "

> the author recommend drinking sweet diary whey to help acidify the

> colon. Also, a high potenency formulation probiotic must be used.

> Most probiotics sold in health food stores only contain 2 billion

> live bacteria per capsule. This is not sufficient (according to the

> author).

>

> According to the book: " acidophilus will thrive only in a slightly

> acid environment, in the specific pH range of 4.5 to 6.4.

[Guest guest]

> Kill off the Klebsiella, and the intestinal pH will

>improve.)

Here is how one doctor killed off klebsiella after trying everything...

" The lack of HCl causes the environment of the gut is greatly changed,

inviting overgrowth of candida yeast that produces a multitude of adverse

symptoms. One of the characteristics of some severe fungal infections is

that the patient never gets a cold. We hear, " He is the healthiest person

in the family. " We know fungi provide protection from bacterial infections;

however, when yeast is killed off without reestablishing proper flora,

bacterial infestations are quick to take over. Bacterial overgrowth, such

as citrobacter fruendii (that destroys the mucus lining of the gut), is

also a result of this lack of HCl. Another nearly impossible to kill

bacteria is Klebsiella Pneumoniae. Here is one successful way to beat them.

Dr. Amy Holmes, Baton Rouge, Louisiana says, " I finally was able to

completely rid Mikey of the ever-present Klebsiella Pneumoniae. It had been

4-plus in each and every stool culture for at least the last 3 years,

despite throwing everything reasonable, both antibiotics and natural

substances, at it. I finally realized that nothing was able to get at this

bug because of its heavy LPS coat, so I ‘uncoated’ it with bismuth

subsalicylate, and killed it with PO Neomycin. I used Neomycin 250

mg/bismuth subsalicylate 50 mg capsules—these must be made by a compounding

pharmacist. It can be made as an oral suspension too. The dose is 1 capsule

three times a day for 10 days. We are celebrating its defeat. Mike went

through a period of apparent die-off for about a week, but has now gotten

over that. His progress has been astounding lately. "

http://www.autisme.net/Autism%20and%20Nutrition.htm

regards

Jim Byrne

[Guest guest]

Sweet dairy whey can be found in most health food stores. The local

store here in SLC, UT. sells it in bulk for just under $2/lb. It

does contain lactose, which according to the author is what feeds the

acidophilus and helps acidify the colon.

It is different from the whey proteins that has been the topic of

other threads, that is used to increase glutathione levels. This

type of whey isolate contains little or no lactose and so does not

feed the acidophilus. The author suggests that mixing the two may

provide the best benefit.

Jim Byrne, in his post #43856, points out that lack of HCl (stomach

acid) upsets that intestinal pH balance and allows the overgrowth

of " bad " bacteria. Actually, candida does have a place in intestinal

health, it is only when it is allowed to overgrow its boundries that

it becomes a real problem.

In addition to the whey and probiotics, other parts of the program

that has benefited people in reversing symptoms of fibro is designed

to improve HCl production. It is important to address all areas at

the same time.

All the best,

Jim

Fibromyalgia: A Hypothesis of Etiology

http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html

> Actually, I had a pH of 7.7 and had high lactobacillus, high

Escherichia

> coli, and high Bifidobacterium, which are all beneficial, but the

> lactobacillus was surviving in the high pH, so pH does not

necessarily mean

> that it can't survive. However, having it and having it be healthy

and

> active is another story, since I also had high Staphylococcus

Aureus,

> Pseudomonas aeruginosa and Klebsiella pneumoniae levels, so the

acidophilus

> wasn't keeping the other pathogens suppressed at that high pH. (By

the way,

> Klebsiella produces ammonia in the intestines, which contributes to

the

> intestines alkalinity. Kill off the Klebsiella, and the intestinal

pH will

> improve.)

>

> Where do you get sweet dairy whey? Klebsiella happens to love

lactose, so

> using dairy products with lactose can increase it's growth. Does

sweet dairy

> whey have lactose in it? Is it related to these undenatured whey's

that are

> used for building glutithione levels? My naturopath recommended

using butter

> to increase n-butyrate levels, as it is a source of n-Butyrate,

since I also

> had low n-Butyrate levels, in spite of eating a high fiber diet.

Water

> soluble fiber is supposed to be metabolized by the intestinal flora

into

> n-Butyrate, but if the pathogens are too high it won't. Butter

doesn't have

> a lot of lactose in it. But I don't imagine it will help acidify

the colon,

> although it is supposed to have some minor immune improving

benefits. My

> naturopath said that water soluble fiber, such as that found in

psyllium

> husk or oats will help to acidify the colon so long as the level of

> pathogens aren't too high. But first you have to kill the

Klebsiella. I'm

> currently on antibiotics, (minocycline, but I started with 10 days

of Cipro)

> plus I'm taking golden seal, Oregon grape root, Artemesia, Olive

leaf

> extract, and eating fresh garlic every day. (I could have been

using Tyler's

> Para-Gard, but it triggers hives in me because of the grapefruit

seed

> extract in it.) I'm also taking Tyler's Pro-Flora Concentrate (a

probiotic)

> and a Seacure mix called Foundation Formula that also has

probiotics in it.

> (though they don't list what types or how much in the Foundation

Formula).

> The peptides in Seacure are supposed to feed the intestinal lining.

I'm also

> on some homeopathic drops specifically for the pathogens that I

have. So

> far, it seems to be working, because I haven't had an IBS attack

since

> starting this protocol. We have yet to retest to see if I corrected

things.

>

> Klebsiella is commonly found in the water in cut flower vases or

vegetables

> that are soaked in water for long periods of time, or in vegetable

drawers

> in the refrigerator that have rotting vegetables in it. (Gotta keep

that

> vegetable drawer clean!) I think that my Klebsiella infection came

from

> eating fresh produce from my local grocery store, where they have

been using

> this system where they have tubs of water that they set vegetables

in to

> keep them fresh, such as green onions and lettuce. It keeps them

green and

> fresh longer than just misting or spraying with water, but I think

the water

> probably grows Klebsiella unless it gets changed frequently. And

because the

> vegetables soak up the water, they can't add anything antimicrobial

to it

> without contaminating the vegetables.

>

>

> lindaj@h...

>

> Re: gut destroyed from antibiotics?

>

>

> > To recolonize the colon with good bacteria the colon pH needs to

> > return to an acidic pH, . In the book " Acidophilus and colon

health "

> > the author recommend drinking sweet diary whey to help acidify the

> > colon. Also, a high potenency formulation probiotic must be used.

> > Most probiotics sold in health food stores only contain 2 billion

> > live bacteria per capsule. This is not sufficient (according to

the

> > author).

> >

> > According to the book: " acidophilus will thrive only in a slightly

> > acid environment, in the specific pH range of 4.5 to 6.4.